Obama sharpens criticism of Clinton experience: The Swamp
 
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by Mike Dorning

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama sharpened criticism of rival Hillary Clinton's frequent use of Bill Clinton's term in office as a qualification for the presidency, comparing the argument to his wife Michelle hypothetically claiming to be "best-qualified" for the U.S. Senate because she confers with him "on occasion."

In an interview aired Monday night on ABC's Nightline, Obama also accused Clinton of "cherry-picking" her husband's record to her best advantage.

"There's no doubt that Bill Clinton had faith in her and consulted with her on issues, the same way that I would consult with Michelle if there were issues," Obama added. "On the other hand, I don't think Michelle would claim that she is the best-qualified person to be a United States senator by virtue of me talking to her on occasion about work that I've done."

Obama also sharpened his tone while reiterating past criticism that Clinton has simultaneously sought to distance herself on politically disadvantageous parts of the Clinton White House record such as passage of NAFTA while embracing popular achievements.

"Sen. Clinton is claiming basically the entire eight years of the Clinton presidency as her own, except for the stuff that didn't work out, in which case she says she has nothing to do with it," Obama said in the television interview.

"I have no problem with her making claims on behalf of her work as first lady being relevant to the presidency. That's her prerogative," he said later in the interview. "What she can't be is selective in terms of, you know, cherry-picking and making determinations that she's now suddenly the face of foreign policy, that she shaped economic policy, except for the stuff that didn't work out, in which that was somebody else's problem or that was somebody else's fault."

The Clinton campaign returned fire with a statement read on the air at the end of the pre-taped interview.

"Considering that Sen. Obama was just a state senator three years ago, he is the last person to be questioning anyone's experience. If he is elected, he would have less experience than any American president of the 20th century," the Clinton campaign statement said.

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What experience does he have for us to say YES he is electable ? I do not feel he has enough experience as he does not know when to place his hand on his heart when the National Anthem is played. Hang it up dude.


There is only ONE poll that suggests obama is a head of Clinton in IOWA??? She leads in every national poll...Maybe Oprah can hire obama this country will not, we cannot train another man to be president... Make History, VOTE FOR HILLARY..IOWA LOVES HILLARY CLINTON...

BOYCOTT OPRAH!


Except Bill Clinton ... he was only 46 when he ran for President and had only been Governor of Arkansas.


What is the point of comparing Obama with other presidents in the 20th century? We are looking for a president for the 21st century. New time needs new thinking.

Obama has more elected public service than Hillary. Obama has never claimed that he is the most experienced, but Hillary has claimed it falsely and publicly many times even though she is obviously not the most experienced among the democratic candidates (Bidden and Richardson would be).

On the other hand, Obama can say that he has the best judgment. Hillary does not want to be close to the judgment issue, because she has nothing to boast about.


I read this in todays Chicago Tribune. Amazing what you can learn when you cut through the bull. She is the worst choice, as I have intoned numerous times.

Dick Morris Corrects Bill Clinton About Hillary
Sun, 21 Oct 2007

BILL CLINTON LEAVES TRUTH OUT OF HILLARY'S BIOGRAPHY

Check out Bill Clinton's syrupy five minute ad for Hillary. He introduces the commercial by saying that he wants to share some things we may not know about Hillary's background. Bill's version of her biography is about as reliable as if it appeared in Pravda!

So, since I, Dick Morris, was there for most of Bill's presidency and know them better than just about anyone, I need to make a few corrections.

Bill says: Hillary never wanted to run for public office, but she did want to work at public service.
The facts are: When Clinton was considering not running for another term as Governor of Arkansas in 1990, Hillary said she would run if he didn't. She and Bill even had me take two surveys to assess her chances of winning. The conclusion was that she couldn't win because people would just see her as a seat warmer for when Bill came back licking his wounds after losing for president. So she didn't run. Bill did and won.There is no question she had her eye on public office, as opposed to service,

Bill says: In law school Hillary worked on legal services for the poor.
The facts are: Hillary's main extra-curricular activity in law school was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a federal agent. She went to court every day as part of a law student monitoring committee trying to spot civil rights violations and develop grounds for appeal.

Bill says: Hillary spent a year after graduation working on a children's rights project for poor kids.
The facts are: Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.

Bill says: Hillary could have written her own job ticket, but she turned down all the lucrative job offers.
The facts are: She flunked the DC bar exam and only passed the Arkansas bar. She had no job offers in Arkansas and only got hired by the University of Arkansas Law School at Fayetteville because Bill was already teaching there. She only joined the prestigious Rose Law Firm after Bill became Attorney General and made partner only after he was elected governor.

Bill says: President Carter appointed Hillary to the Legal Services Board of Directors and she became its chairman.
The facts are: The appointment was in exchange for Bill's support for Carter in his 1980 primary against Ted Kennedy. Hillary became chairman in a coup in which she won a majority away from Carter's choice to be chairman.

Bill says: She served on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital.
The facts are: Yes she did. But her main board activity, not mentioned by Bill, was to sit on the Wal-Mart board of directors, for a substantial fee. She was silent about their labor and health care practices as a Wal-Mart board member.

Bill says: Hillary didn't succeed at getting health care for all Americans in 1994, but she kept working at it and helped to create the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that provides five million children with health insurance.
The facts are: Hillary had nothing to do with creating CHIP. It was included in the budget deal between Clinton and Republican Majority Leader Senator Trent Lott. I, Dick Morris, helped to negotiate the deal. The money came half from the budget deal and half from the Attorney Generals' tobacco settlement. Hillary had nothing to do with either source of funds.

Bill says: Hillary was the face of America all over the world on her world tours during Bill's presidency.
The facts are: Her visits were part of a program to get her out of town so that Bill would not appear weak by feeding stories that Hillary was running the White House. Her visits abroad were entirely touristic and symbolic and there was no substantive diplomacy on any of them.

Bill says: Hillary was an excellent Senator who kept fighting for children's and women's issues.
The facts are: Other than totally meaningless legislation like changing the names on courthouses and post offices, she has passed only four substantive pieces of legislation. One, set up a national park in Puerto Rico. A second provided respite care for family members helping their relatives through Alzheimer's or other conditions. And two were routine bills to aid 9-11 victims and responders which were sponsored by the entire NY delegation, not only she.


Here is what bothers me more than anything else about Hillary Clinton. She has done everything possible to weaken President Bush and our country (that's you and me) when it comes to the war on terror:

1. She wants to close GITMO and move the combatants to the USA where they would have access to our legal system.
2. She wants to eliminate the monitoring of suspected Al Qeada phone calls to/from the USA
3. She wants to grant constitutional rights to enemy combatants captured on the battlefield.
4. She wants to eliminate the monitoring of money transfers between suspected Al Qeada cells and supporters in the USA.
5. She wants to eliminate the type of interrogation tactics used by the military and CIA where coercion might be used when questioning known terrorists, even though such tactics might save American lives.


I can't think of a single bill Hillary has introduced or a single comment she has made that would tend to strengthen our country in the War on Terror. But, I can think of a lot of comments she has made that weakens our country and makes it a more dangerous situation for all of us. She goes hand in hand with the ACLU on far too many issues where common sense is abandoned.

She is a disaster for all Americans.

Dick Morris.


Being South African and following the US Presidential elections, I can say with certainty that Obama is becoming ridiculous in his defence of all his weaknesses. First he said he has enough diplomatic experience based on his childhood years in foreign countries and now he want to equate HRC's experiences and exposure to public office with that of his wife. Michelle (not even he!) is not a two-term senator. Point is there is no comparison. This is no contest for president of the learners' council.

Being the President of the most powerful nation on earth requires some seriousness and depth in debate and arguments.

Obama should also focus on providing serious alternatives for the trouble the American nation finds itself in and give credit where it is due. HRC was an excellent first lady and she even made him proud as an ordinary citizen. When will he admit that? Even his life is better today because Bill Clinton was president. I am not suggesting that HRC is above criticism but when you select arguments that suits you and ignore others that don't, I also call it cherry-picking.


Rob S., it isn't just Hillary who wants to do those five points you protest. It's the entire Democratic presidential candidate pack, and most of the Democratic party for that matter. They like the terrorists more than they do the American people (that's another John D post for you to put in your archives, John E.)


In which of the following did Hillary/Bill get her experience?

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

The above is why we do not want these people back in the White House.


This is not only a new century but a new millennium in which everything moves faster with the speed of light, automation or newer technology. In this time, events also happen and change very quickly and no one can claim not to need on the job training. Those who do not need on the job training everyday are obsolete and need to be retired quickly. Only those with an open mind to constantly learn can handle the job and Hilary is too anchored to 20th century "experience" to handle the job of President. We need a younger person with no ties to 20th century politics as usual in Washington DC. The 20th century was the century of War and HRC embraced that philosophy with her was mongering votes.


sorry for this 'experience' nighmare for Sen Obama. All jobseekers know that all employers ask for this Experience thing. Obama hasn't claimed to the most Exoerienced. For hillary to claim to be 'by far' the most electable candidate becuase she was first lady is ridiculous. her claim reminds me of the famous picture of spouses of G8 leaders in Heiligendamm, Germany. while the real leaders we discussing the world affairs, the spouses were posing for Photos, and that's what Hillary calls foreing policy knowledge and experience! God bless America.


"Considering that Sen. Obama was just a state senator three years ago, he is the last person to be questioning anyone's experience." Yes, being as he wasn't in charge when we were attacked and wasn't in charge when those people entered our country and didn't have the opportunity to close the door on a major terror threat, years before these tremendous effects took place, I guess he really had nothing to do with it then. What a terrible man.


In response to Gary, your hand only goes over your heart for the Pledge of Allegiance, not the National Anthem. You've been to too many baseball games and confused taking hat off and putting that over your heart with your hand, it's completely acceptable and patriotic to keep your hands at your sides.

Also, Hillary Clinton has been working at "Universal Health Care" since 1993 and her "plan" by her own account won't be ready until the end of her second term!! She needs 22-24 years?!! Really? That’s the kind of experience she has. I'll take Obama's "no" experience any day!

And finally, I hate hearing “things were good when Bill was President, so I’m voting for Hillary.” Yes the economy was good/great under Clinton, but that was because we had no major enemies in the world, China wasn’t buying oil like crazy, and he didn’t create the Internet Boom (that was Gore). And things were “good” under George Bush, communism fell and we won a war in Iraq. Should we go ahead and elect his idiot son George W. because of what his dad did? No, that would be stupid! Opps. Don’t vote for Hillary because you like Bill! They are not the same person and this is not the 90’s!


Obama's experience = 10 years as an elected offical that passed more bipartisan bills in both IL and the U.S. Senate than others. Passed first meaningful ethics reform in a generation, became the "go to" guy for ethics and transparency.

15 years as a constitutional law professor.

First African American Editor of Harvard Law Review, turned down over 700 corporate jobs offers to go work the streets of Chicago on behalf of out of work steel mill workers.

Spoke out consistantly and intelligently against the Iraq War in 2002 when it was political suicide to do so. Spoke out against voting to authorize Bush against Iran in 2007.

Hillary's experience = Board of Directors of Wall Mart in the 80's.

Failed Healthcare plan for being too secretive and complicated in the 90's.

Voted for to support Bush's Iraq war in 2002 and voted to support Bush's plan to attack Iran in 2007.

What else do you need to know?

Obama 08. The man with the right experience, judgement, integrity, charisma and communications skills and common sense to get the job done.


John D,

John E doesn't archive your posts, the FBI and CIA do.

Rob S,

Stop spreading paranoia--um I mean--uninformed accusations.


Here.

_HIL_

Military Tribunals and Guantanamo Bay

Sen. Clinton (D-NY) says the prison camp at Guantanamo should be closed because it “compromises our longterm military and strategic interests, and it impairs our standing overseas.” Clinton is a cosponsor of Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-CA) bill to close Guantanamo and transfer the prisoners either to their home countries, to an international legal tribunal, or to a civilian or military facility in the United States. The bill also mandates that the prisoners must be charged formally if they are brought to the United States.

Clinton voted against the Military Commissions Act.


_BARAK_

Military Tribunals and Guantanamo Bay

Sen. Obama (D-IL) says Guantanamo should be closed and habeas corpus (AP) should be restored for the detainees. He says the United States should have “developed a real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused.” Unlike his Democratic colleauges, however, Obama does agree that military courts rather than federal judges should be charged with trying the detainees.

Obama voted against the Military Commissions Act.

_HIL_
Domestic Intelligence

Sen. Clinton (D-NY) echoed Biden’s criticism of the NSA surveillance, saying the Bush administration should have gone through FISA provisions if they wanted to eavesdrop on domestic communications. Clinton voted against Hayden’s confirmation as CIA director.

_BARAK_

Domestic Intelligence

Sen. Obama’s (D-IL) response to the NSA spying controversy was mixed. On one hand, he opposed the nomination of former NSA chief Michael Hayden to the position of CIA director because of his role in the warrantless wiretapping program and said that he disapproved of Bush’s avoidance of FISA oversight in the NSA eavesdropping efforts. But on the other hand, like Clinton, Dodd, and Biden, he did not join in Feingold’s efforts to censure Bush over the warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens.

_HIL_

War on Terror

Sen. Clinton (D-NY) disagrees with party rival John Edwards’ contention that the war on terror is simply a political slogan and said in the June 2007 Democratic debate that she believes Americans are now “safer than we were.” She says the main priority in the war on terror should be in preventing “Iran, al-Qaeda and the like” from obtaining weapons of mass destruction. When the Jewish Press asked Clinton in October 2006 how she views the war on terror, she responded, “I don't think our strategy is working. Six years ago, North Korea and Iran were not as close as they are today to having nuclear weapons.”

In a 2004 speech at the Brookings Institution, Clinton outlined her ideas on “how best to fight the wider war on terror.” She emphasized the importance of building alliances and doing away with the widespread perception of U.S. unilateralism and arrogance. She also said she supported Biden’s proposal to establish an “international antiterrorist organization” modeled on NATO and that an increase in the number of troops in the Army, National Guard, and Reserve force is necessary. She also called for increased funding for global education and development programs, which she said would likely reduce anti-Americanism abroad.

_BARAK_

War on Terror

Sen. Obama (D-IL), like his fellow Democratic candidates, has been critical of the Bush administration’s policies relating to the war on terror. In a recent Foreign Affairs article, Obama called the Bush’s response to 9/11 “conventional thinking of the past, largely viewing problems as state-based and principally amenable to military solutions.” As a result of the actions taken under the auspices of the war on terror, Obama says, “the world has lost trust in our purposes and our principles.”

Instead, Obama says, U.S. efforts in the Middle East should focus on empowering “forces of moderation” by increasing “access to education and health care, trade and investment” and support for civil society. Like Clinton, Obama says the government’s priority should be preventing terrorist groups from obtaining weapons of mass destruction.

In a August 1 speech, Obama called for a greater counterterrorism focus on Afghanistan and the tribal region of Pakistan. With regards to Pakistan, he indicated that under his leadership, “if we have actionable intelligence about high-value targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.”

_HIL_

Homeland Security

Since the 9/11 attacks, Sen. Clinton (D-NY) has repeatedly pressed for higher homeland security funding for anti-terror assistance for her state of New York and other “areas at greatest risk of attack.” In February 2007, Clinton cosponsored the Risk-Based Homeland Security Grants Act of 2007, which, if passed, will amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002, establishing a Homeland Security Grants Board and would ensure that Homeland Security funding is distributed based on risk level and vulnerability of states.

Clinton cosponsored the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act in 2004, which created a Director of National Intelligence and provided for increased security on the northern border of the United States and increased transportation infrastructure security. In 2006, Clinton cosponsored the FEMA Amendment, which would have made the Federal Emergency Management Agency independent from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). That bill was rejected. Clinton voted in favor of the Patriot Act in 2001 and voted to adopt a conference report to reauthorize it in 2006.

_BARAK_

Homeland Security

Obama, who sits on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, has been a critic of how federal homeland security funding has been handled. He has also been critical of the Patriot Act, but he voted to adopt a conference report to reauthorize it in 2006. Obama cosponsored the SAFE Act of 2005.

In February 2007, Obama cosponsored the Risk-Based Homeland Security Grants Act and has been a steady advocate of risk-based funding for homeland security. In a 2006 podcast, Obama criticized the Homeland Security Appropriations bill, saying, “you would want to give more protection to the Empire State Building or the Golden Gate Bridge than you would want to provide to a Home Depot somewhere in downstate Illinois that is probably not on any terrorist hit list. Unfortunately, what we’re seeing is that Congress is more focused on political handouts than strategic funding.” In March 2006, Obama cosponsored the Chemical Security and Safety Act, which sought to increase chemical plant security. Also in 2006, Obama voted for the FEMA Amendment, which failed.


For the rest.
http://www.cfr.org/campaign2008/candidates.html


John D,

John E doesn't archive your posts, the FBI and CIA do.

Rob S,

Stop spreading paranoia--um I mean--uninformed accusations.

Posted by: The Left | November 27, 2007 11:02 AM

Maybe, The Left, you can look up information like this when you complete remidial reading course. This is all public information. This is not paranoia, or unimformed, it is truth.
hillary is the worst choice on both sides.


I know it is public information. How and from what do you think these stances were compiled. Secret documents? Please learn to read. I provided you the synopsis form the council on foreign relations that is based upon direct sources. The debates are there the speeches are there. To say this :


"She has done everything possible to weaken President Bush and our country (that's you and me) when it comes to the war on terror: "

"I can't think of a single bill Hillary has introduced or a single comment she has made that would tend to strengthen our country in the War on Terror"


Is false.


"I can't think of a single bill Hillary has introduced or a single comment she has made that would tend to strengthen our country in the War on Terror"

So you think the only way she can do this is to introduce legislation? My God wake up. Her entire life has been a two faced bunch of crap. I can read quite well, (Try reading the DSM-IV - Revised) and have read much on hollary's past. She can change direction on an issue faster than you can blink. She has criticized issues that she supported in the past.
Everything about my work and the clients I work with is based on statistics. The beauty of statistics is they can be intrepreted/twisted any way you want. You like hillary and want to use statistics to support her, then the statistics can be used in your favor, and vice/verca.

I am betting you (The Left) vote straight party. This is the WORST thing a voter can do. No party has perfect representatives running for office. So, even though I am a registered Rep., I have never in 27 years voted straight party. You may as well blindfold yourself and clean your rifle.

hillary sucks (whether that is literal or figurative is up for debate) and the WORST of all candidates. Keep believing in her if you want, I just pray to God I do not have the chance to say "told ya so".


Hillary thinks that the people of Iowa are gullible and naive about where we are as
a country and our position in the world and how we got here. Yes, Hillary is still a member of the old political guard served up Hillary style. The people of Iowa are so much more savvy than she or the old guard knows. Barack's ethnicity or his so called lack experience is not the issue (that argument is canceled out by GW, the joke of the entire free world). The old guard can no longer fool us, perhaps the faint of heart and those who rather keep their heads buried in the sand, who the old guard continues to scare into submission as they did with the propaganda they used to justify this war. Well guess what old guard, Iowa and the rest of the country is sick and tired of politics as usual. We are no longer going to allow you to betray us. Look what they did with Valerie and Joe Wilson? Notice how you don't hear much about this betrayal of a patriot who told the truth? No more of these political games to be paid at the expense of the average Joe and Jane American. Who has really benefited from this war? One example is Dick Cheney's old company, Haliburton, which has experiences record breaking profits, as they did during Viet Nam, but under a different company name and a new face (look it up if you don't doubt me). Hillary and Edwards both voted to help the rich and powerful stay rich and powerful. They knew Iran would be next and yet the will tell us that they made a mistake; that they were given only partial information or facts! They actually think that we are buying that too! Well, Hillary and John, what information did Barack have that you didn't? Why then could Barack vote his conscience and place his political career on the line and not you? Why could he stand up against the political tide and you could not? This for me was significant because Barack's political career could have been crushed right then and there. This man stood up and said no, he wasn't buying the it. What was that Hil and John? Was that lack of experience or was that integrity? That is what we need in leadership. Barack has reminded us that we have the power to change things for the better if we just stand up and fight. We Americans are thirsty for change and we are no longer going to drink the sand in the absence of water. Americans are tired of the politics that she and her peers is so much an integral part and party to.

That is why he is "electable" because he knows that it is we who have the power and he reminds us and inspires us to exercise that power.

Obama has inspired me as so many others to believe that we can change things. He has reminded us that we do have the power to change things. He has reminded us that it is not only our right to change this, it is our responsibility.


Rob S.,

"I am betting you (The Left) vote straight party."

No. Not really. John D always addresses the looney left collectively, and everyone answers individually. I figured if spaceboy wants to talk AT A GROUP, might as well have the group talk back.

"Keep believing in her if you want, I just pray to God I do not have the chance to say 'told ya so'."

Thank you for your permission, but I do not believe in one more than the other. In general, I don't believe in both that much.


Bush brought the most experienced team in history to the White House. Clearly, even if Hillary's experience were her own to claim, it would not qualify her for high office. It seems to me that Presidents need to lead, a key test she has failed time and time again. They should also be right a majority of the time, and if not should admit their mistakes. Obama clearly brings leadership and wisdom, while Hillary brings synthetic experience and planted questions.


Anyone looking for some new Hillary video from an SC stop and an interesting commentary on how race is impacting that primary should try: http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/27/hillary_and_the_black_men_of_god


"Experience" The Facts:

Senator Barack Obama
1996-2004 (Illinois State Senator)
2005-2008 (United States Senator)
12 Years of Elected Office Experience

Senator Hillary Clinton
2001-2008 (United States Senator)
7 Years of Elected Office Experience
(FYI – George W. Bush had 6 years in office before the presidency)

Barack Obama is more experienced to be President of the United States.

35 – 7 = 28 years of zero elected office experience for Hillary Clinton.

Again, what 35 years of experience is Hillary talking about?

Here are the remaining 28 years –

8 Years (Lawyer)
12 Years (First Lady of Arkansas)
8 Years (First Lady of the U.S.)
28 Years of Zero Elected Office Experience

Since when is 20 years of being a first lady relevant experience for being president?


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