Bush: 'History is going to have to judge': The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted November 13, 2007 5:11 PM
The Swamp

by Mark Silva

President Bush calls his failure to win Social Security reform “the biggest disappointment’’ of his presidency.

In an interview with the Fox Business Network, Bush said: “The biggest disappointment is not getting a Social Security package, Social Security reform, because that truly is the big deficit issue. I'm sorry it didn't happen. I laid out a plan to make it happen, to enable it to happen. I'm the first president to have addressed it as specifically as I did. I wish Congress wasn't so risk-averse on the issue.”

And Bush, who first campaigned with a promise to restore dignity and honor to the office, was asked if he had accomplished that.

“History is going to have to judge,’’ Bush said.

Bush was asked about his administration’s latest setback, the declaration of emergency rule by Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, after collecting $11 billion in U.S. aid since September 2001 and promising to deliver democracy to his nation.

“He’s agreed to hold elections in January, and he's agreed to take his uniform off,’’ Bush said of Musharraf. “And our judgment is, is that the sooner he can suspend his emergency decree, the faster Pakistan gets back on the road to democracy. And it's an ever-changing situation. And if you follow the news, as I know you do, it's changing all the time.’’

In the interview, Bush was asked about one of his earliest successes, as well – his tax cuts.

“I felt like a growing economy would yield more tax revenues,’’ Bush said. “I wasn't certain how much. And if you look at our budget projections, we constantly undershot. And so not only was I pleased, but I think the, you know, the budgeteers were surprised at how much more revenues came in than anticipated.

“The key, of course, is to keep the economy growing by keeping taxes low,’’ he said. “But the additional revenue should not be used an excuse to expand government. It ought to be used to pay down debt and reduce the deficit and that sort of thing.’’

See more excerpts from the interview here:

QUESTION: If you listen to Charlie Rangel and some others in the Democratic Party, they say, no way. They say that income distribution is greater than it ever has been, we need new tax increases in order to equalize the income in the United States. Do you have anything to tell them?

BUSH: I tell them that if you're interested in raising taxes, you can find any excuse to do so. But I also tell them that raising taxes would be bad for the economy. We don't need to be taking money out of the pockets of investors and savers and consumers.

Secondly, I would tell them that I would much rather have the American people spend their money than the federal government.

And thirdly, I tell them, if we'd only set priorities, if the Democrats in Congress would be willing to set priorities, you'll find that we got ample money to meet our needs.

QUESTION: A lot of folks put some blame on you, particularly conservative folks, saying you spent too much. What do you say?

BUSH: I say that I think you look at the facts. First of all, we did spend money, but it's primarily to make sure our military had what it takes to do the job. And we spend money to protect this homeland.

But on non-defense discretionary spending, we actually reduced the amount of spending for the first time in history. Certainly the first time recently, anyway -- and that we reduced our deficit dramatically and by growing the economy, being wise about spending money -- now look, in my first six years, I had had a Congress with whom I could reach budget agreements, and they hit our top line every year.

And so, there was -- I didn't have to veto bills because I didn't like the slices of the pie. But in so doing, you're going to make it harder to negotiate the size of the pie the next time….

We've reduced our deficit dramatically. We've overcome recession. And we're fighting a war.

I mean, we've got a lot of good people in harm's way, and we have had, since the liberation of Afghanistan and, of course, Iraq, and yet this government is funding that war. And it's expensive, as it should be. We don't want our kids going in there with lack of equipment or, you know -- when we find equipment shortfalls, we've addressed them.

And we've done all that and reduced the deficit.

So when people take an objective look, a stand-back look at whether or not, you know, we've handled the fiscal side of the equation, well, they're going to say, yes, we have, unless, of course, you believe in bigger government and more taxes, in which case they'll give me low marks because I'm resisting tax increases….

QUESTION: A lot of folks are worried that it's fallen too far. Is there anything more that you can do, as president, to assure the world that the dollar should maintain its value and increase in value?

BUSH: Well, we have a strong dollar policy, and it's important for the world to know that. We also believe it's important for the market to set the -- to set the value of the dollar relative to other currencies. And if people would look at the strength of our economy, they'd realize why, you know, I believe that the dollar will be stronger. And it is low inflation, low interest, 15 months of uninterrupted job growth, 3.9 percent GDP growth in the third quarter.

I mean, the underpinnings are strong. Now, we in the U.S. government, my administratio
n, believe the market ought to set the relation of the dollar to other currencies.

QUESTION: Even if the dollar is weak -- excuse me, if the economy is weak, shouldn't the dollar be strong?

BUSH: Well, all I can tell you is, is that the policy of this government is a strong dollar, and that we believe that the marketplace is the best place to set the exchange rates.

QUESTION: So you're satisfied with the exchange rates as they are now?

BUSH: Well, I am satisfied with the fact that we have a strong dollar policy and know that the market ought to be setting the exchange rate between the U.S. dollar and other currencies.

QUESTION: Housing… Big problem now, a lot of foreclosures. What should the federal government do, if anything, to help those folks who have the adjustable rate mortgages who suddenly have a big uptick in their mortgage?

BUSH: Well, the federal government should help people renegotiate loans by encouraging the nonprofit NGOs to reach out to those who have had these adjustable rate mortgages to explain to them that there's an opportunity to refinance their homes if they're creditworthy.

Secondly, the federal government ought to change tax policy that says if you renegotiate your loan, you get paid -- you have to pay an extra tax.

Loan forgiveness through renegotiation is a taxable event. If you're trying to help people stay in their homes you shouldn't be taxing them when they renegotiate their mortgage.

Thirdly, we ought to modernize FHA, the Federal Housing Authority, so that people who qualify are able to get help in refinancing their mortgages. Look, we have to do everything we can to help people stay in their homes without bailing out lenders. And I was willing to help the person that borrowed the money, and those are three constructive ways to do so….

QUESTION: Iraq. Can you switch to Iraq now?.. The surge, is it working?

BUSH: Yes. And it's measurable. Whereas violence is declining and the attitudes of people are changing -- when people have more security, they're more willing to forego hedging their bets, affiliation to violent groups, and willing to reach out and reconcile with their neighbor.

I've always believed that most people want to live in peace. An Iraqi mom wants to raise her child in peace, and that, if given the chance -- given what looks like a secure future -- that people will make the necessary changes to live in a -- coexist with somebody else that may be, you know, an adversary, in a peaceful way. And that's what you're seeing. The politics hasn't followed as quickly as I'd have liked, at the federal level, although they are passing law and they are sharing potential revenues with the provinces.

But the amazing thing is what's happening at the grassroots level, where Sunni sheiks and Shia sheiks are coming together and trying to forge a future that is hopeful for their people.
And national politics will eventually follow local politics, by the way….

QUESTION: Musharraff has said, "Don't look at Pakistan with European eyes," stating to mean that democracy doesnt't work here. What do you tell Musharraf when you talk to him?

BUSH: Well, first of all, President Musharraf has got Pakistan on the road to democracy… And when I talked to him, I said, "You got to get Pakistan back on the road to democracy as quickly as possible." And that means elections, and that means that, in my judgment, the road to democracy means you can't be the head of the military and the president at the same time.

He's agreed to hold elections in January, and he's agreed to take his uniform off. And our judgment is, is that the sooner he can suspend his emergency decree, the faster Pakistan gets back on the road to democracy. And it's an ever-changing situation. And if you follow the news, as I know you do, it's changing all the time ….

And our purpose, of course, is to promote a democracy in Pakistan, and at the same time as a valuable ally in fighting the extremists, who have tried to kill President Musharraf three or four times.

He understands the stakes of the war, and I do believe he understands the importance of democracy…

QUESTION: We talked on Air Force One about restoring a sense of dignity to the office itself. Would you count that among your successes?

BUSH: History is going to have to judge. I do know that its important for the president to guard the institution of the presidency. It's important to realize that the office is bigger than the person. And that's what brings great stability to the United States. I go to work every day in the Oval Office. It's such a grand institution. It's been an honor to serve. I have fourteen more months. I'm going to give it my all. ‘

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“He’s agreed to hold elections in January, and he's agreed to take his uniform off,’’ Bush said of Musharraf. “And our judgment is, is that the sooner he can suspend his emergency decree, the faster Pakistan gets back on the road to democracy. And it's an ever-changing situation. And if you follow the news, as I know you do, it's changing all the time.’’

First off, Mr. President, he hasn't agreed to "take off his uniform." (Is a dictator out of uniform better than one in uniform?)

Secondly, yes things are changing all the time, for the worse. Benazir Bhutto is now surrounded by barbed wire and thousands of police officers under house arrest.

Does this sound like a man who is about to restore anything resembling Democracy?


Congress too risk adverse on Social Security. Doesn't risk take the security out of Social Security? Why not make it mandatory that everyone purchase Power Ball Tickets?

I do wish Congress was a little more risk adverse when it comes to war.

I am against high taxes, but you can't ask everyone to build their own roads, educate their own children at home, etc. Government has a place in our lives, besides just fighting wars.

History will show that W. is in serious contention for the title of: worst President ever (thanks again GOPers).

NEWS ALERT! In the year 5007 historians uncover solid evidence that an obscure ruler of a nation on planet Earth in the Milky Way, who was thought have been incompetent, was actually incompetent and did his best to mess up the whole planet.

Yeah..good times to be had by all. The
401 melting faster than the wicked witch of the east. Bush's house-of-cards economy beginning to collapse. Laissez- Fare economics, once again proven to be a fraud.

Tax cuts for the rich, pensions, health insurance disappearing for the average worker. Health-care cost far outpacing increase in salaries.

War without end. Even if it ended tomorrow, what did it accomplish?, the possibility of a theocracy in Iraq friendly to Iran?--that was worth it.

A country that could once say it didn't condone torture, a country that didn't believe in preemptive wars, a country that respected its citizens rights under the Constitution, a country that used to be the envy of most of the world---throw all that out.

History has spoken, you suck, Mr. President!!!







There will be a lot of History alright: a u.s. record war spending; a record Debt at 9 trilion and rising like a flooded basement; Civil Liberties down the drain; Oil price at a record high; baby boomers retiring and collecting social security by the millions on January 1st 2008. Wow, a lot of histories! Histories we would rather forget! hehehe

Any positive coming from the Bush Administration? I sincerely, hope Historians can dig something up. Maybe, AIDS initiative? I dunno. . .

There is no question that President Bush restored dignity to the Oval Office. Never before in history had a president sullied the office and the White House as did Bill Clinton with a teen-aged --TEEN-AGED -- intern whose parents had entrusted her care to the White House staff. Bill Clinton violated that girl and that trust. There has never been a president with the moral depths of Clinton. Whatever anyone thinks of Bush's policies, there is no dispute that his personal behavior did bring back the dignity of the office.

More Bush-babble;
His plan would have kicked SS into default even sooner. Talk about fuzzy math.

And Bush, who first campaigned with a promise to restore dignity and honor to the office, was asked if he had accomplished that.

“History is going to have to judge,’’ Bush said.

Let's end this argument right now. Bush was a train wreck that demolished the White House, following right behind are all the neo-cons who ransacked everything good about America & placed the cost of their mess on the backs of hard-working Americans.

Traitor. War criminal. Worst President ever.

I'll bet he is disappointed. Disappointed he wasn't able to move whatever assets are left in the social security trust and loot that too.

Worst president in US history.

Oh man, fourteen months? 2008 elections- are we there yet? This moron can't be out of office fast enough. I can't wait to say So long Goober Bush!

President Bush has, indeed, restored dignity to the office that was so badly sullied by his predecessor who preyed on a teen-aged girl intern placed in his trust. Any business CEO who did that would have been put in jail.
Never in the history of the White House had a president dirtied the very trappings of the Oval Office as did Bill Clinton. Politics aside, President Bush and his wife have conducted themselves with dignity and honor and all Americans can thank them for that.

Hey 'garfield' and 'geraldine' get your facts straight. The 'girl' was 22 at the time - well past the 'age of consent,' and certainly NOT a teenager. I'll take Clinton and his brains/political acumen any day over Bush and his 'dignity'/ignorance. Without a doubt Bush is easily the STUPIDEST PRESIDENT EVER to curse this country with his 'leadership.'

Great! We have a President that restored dignity to the White House? Did he lie about WMD's in Iraq? He sure wasn't around when 9/11 went down! He scurried off to a secret airforce base to make sure all was clear till he headed back to Washington! Can you imagine Reagan doing that? Turnin' tail and heading out to a safe military base? Dignity? It's not even in Bush's vocabulary!

Cheryl, Roger Morris, C. Morris, and John E. before he gets here:

You folks need to get over your irrational hatred, wake-up and smell what you are shovelling. Let's see:
Torture-show me the proof, not what you THINK, heard, read on MoveOn.org.
Voter Fraud-completely false, and the closest thing would be voter stupidity, ie, those who can't properly punch-out a ballot.
I guess what bothers you people are the facts:
Bush BEAT Gore and Kerry.
Bush was a far more effective president in his first 18 months then Clinton was for 8 years. You want to talk about the "worst president ever"? Take a long hard look at the two complete failures the Democrats put in office in Carter and Clinton. I at least respect Jimmy Carter as a person, but I have to admit what a horrible president he was. Clinton was far worse because while he had Carter's knack for being worthless at foreign policy, he didn't have Carter's humility and dignity. Fact: Bush inherited the presidency with the economy already in the tank (according to the BLS stats, 3rd quarter of 2000), got hit with 9/11, stock market crash, airline industry collapse, and the corporate scandals (that were going on while Clinton was in office). Since Bush took office, the economy recovered, we had a housing market boom, Al Qaeda was driven into hiding, the Taliban are out in Afghanistan and they have a democratic government, Saddam Hussein is gone and Iraq has a democratic government. Every case of misconduct and abuse that was proven (like Abu Grahib) was prosecuted. Now for those of you cry babies and no-nothings that want to whine about our so-called "allies", the U.N., or our "strained" foreign relations I am here to tell you, you just don't get it. I spent 22 years in Special Ops in the Army and I have been in all those places that most of you just read about. While Clinton was in office, we got tied up in a UN mandated manhunt in Somalia, got into a fight that solved nothing, and walked away as losers. We failed to act in Rwanda. We failed to deal with a growing threat from Al Qaeda following all the numerous attacks and bombings. We failed to deal with Saddam Hussein who committed over 200 violations of the UN brokered cease-fire that HE agreed to, and corrupted the "Food for Oil" program at the expense of his own people! No, instead we bailed the UN out in Bosnia (in support of NATO), then Kosovo, bombed Belgrade for...what reason? Oh yea, Milosevic. We invaded and occuppied Haiti...a real threat there. Yet when it came time to take a hard stand vs terrorism, rogue nations, etc, where was the UN and the rest of NATO? Other than our traditionally strong allies in GBR and Poland, we got token or little help from anyone else. Dignity? HA! George Bush returned COMPETENCE back to the Oval Office! After the 8 years of shame an ineptitude we had to deal with during the 8 years of Clinton, having Bush in office was a HUGE breath of fresh air.

That must be an acrostic poem Roger wrote. Here's mine..

God created the cap key
Out of pure cruelty...
I know because I see
Nothing written in it
Gave my eyes so much misery

Blood shot eyes
Line by line
I strain to make out as
Nouns verbs cont. to shout
Drowning out my eyesight with nothing really left to talk of or about..

Oh great. Another 'comment' from Private Bolus.

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy."
-- Henry A. Kissinger, quoted by Monika Jensen-Stevenson, Kiss the Boys Goodbye, Dutton, 1990, Page 97, citing The Final Days, Woodward and Bernstein (Simon & Schuster, 1976)

Thanks Private Bolus for proving up fellow Republic party member Kissinger.

Okay...they make fun of people for saying they saw a UFO...I'd like to know what planet Mr. Bush lives on..

What freakin alternate universe do you live in? "Torture, show me the proof". Abeu Ghraib ring a bell?:

Beginning in 2004, accounts of abuse, torture, rape[1] and homicide[2][3] of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad Correctional Facility) came to public attention. The acts were committed by some personnel of the 372nd Military Police Company of the United States, the CIA and possibly additional American governmental agencies.[4]

As revealed by the 2004 Taguba Report a criminal investigation by the US Army Criminal Investigation Command had already been underway since May 2003 where four soldiers from the 320th MP Battalion had been formally charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) with detainee abuse. In April 2004 reports of the abuse, as well as graphic pictures showing American military personnel in the act of abusing prisoners, came to public attention, when a 60 Minutes II news report (April 28) and an article by Seymour M. Hersh in The New Yorker magazine (posted online on April 30 and published days later in the May 10 issue) reported the story.[5] Janis Karpinski, the commander of Abu Ghraib demoted for her lack of insight regarding the abuse, estimated later that 90% of detainees in the prison were innocent.[6]

Bush "returned competence back to the oval office"--are you F$%#ing nuts!? You mean like how he ignored warnings of 9/11, how he botched the evacuation of New Orleans, how he compromised the integrity of the justice department, how he started a war under false pretenses then botched the prosecution of that war, how he botched the reconstruction of Iraq but made his Military Contractor cronies filthy rich, how he destroyed our economy with reckless deficit spending, unnecessary tax cuts, and lax regulation. What is wrong with you people? Clinton has a dalliance with a 22-year-old and that's worse that a war built on lies that will cost this nation trillions of dollars, thousands of U.S. lives, hundreds of thousand Iraqi lives, respect around the world. Not to mention it will create MORE terrorist, not less.

And spare me the weak Bosnia reference. Last I heard, our response to the genocide in Bosnia is not costing us $3 billion a month or thousands of U.S. lives, tens of thousands seriously wounded, the commitment of hundreds of thousands of troops. And stop already with the Tech. bust under Clinton. First of all, it was Greedy scum like Bush's friend, Ken Lay, that destroyed confidence in the market. Second of all, Clinton brought you 7 years of unprecedented growth (without deficit spending). No matter how you try to spin it, Clinton brought you surpluses. Yeah, moron, having Bush in office was "like a huge breath of fresh air" (unless you were being water-boarded). Save your stupid Tard radio talking points for those deluded enough to believe them. Bush has set this country, and the Republican party back decades. Dubya--worst president ever (and it's not even close).

Our greatest disappointment should be electing this man to office. He started the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is in a situation that he cannot win. When you have families fighting against each other how can you pick a winner. He does not care if our children do not get medical care. He has let the price of oil cause all of us poor people to become poorer. His rich friends are a whole lot richer since he has been in office. Our poor people are a whole lot poorer since he has been in office. The prescription mess will never go away. Our govern need to help us not hinder us.

I can't believe how often he is misspoken and needing to correct himself in this one interview alone. A trained monkey could do better.

Also, Jim, you said, "Dignity? It's not even in Bush's vocabulary!"

You're assuming that Bush has a vocabulary. ;-)

Make SURE you vote in 2008.

Leave nothing to chance.

What could be worse than another GOP hack in office?

Say what you will about Clinton Mr.Bolen, but Clinton never divided our country as much as Bush has. I have never felt so much personal dissapointment over a President who has divided us all. Let's just hope our next President will be a President for ALL the people and just for the GOP and Fox news.

The American infrastructure dies while keeping taxes low for the wealthy.
Our children will be economically burdened for the next 20 years with the tax cuts for the wealthy during the time of the Cheney/Bush invasion/"war" supplementals.
I won't tell Cheney and Bush to go to hell- because I think they are already there.

Just would like to say-- remember Dick & George-- you take nothing with you. None of us do. Also, we don't need history to judge your legacy. The fatherless or motherless kids, and the brain damaged and amputee Iraq vets will show me your legacy. You can't turn back time, or your deadly, conscious decisions. The jury is already in on this one: Bush--worst President, and Cheney--worst VP in history. Your grandchildren will read this in their school books, and they will watch it on TV. Your lies and actions will have made them ashamed of you.

For the posters here who say Bush restored dignity to the WH-- Did Clinton kill 4000 US servicepeople with his dalliance in the oval office? Did Clinton put this nation 2 trillion dollars in debt with his dalliance in the oval office?-- You don't see the scorched forest for your moralistic trees. What small people.

I don't like what Clinton did, or -- finally-- was forced to admit. However, Clinton's bad behaivior does not exonerate Cheney and Bush from their atrocities.

Let's not forget to thank corporate America--like the Tribune Corporation and all their newspapers--for supporting George W. Bush's election not once, but twice! Since Bush is easily the worst American President (so far), what does that tell us about the Tribune and their own choices/ideology? Corporate slaves or just plain stupid?

I can never figure out whether Bush is criminally incompetent or just a plain old criminal.

Guess it doesn't matter in the long run.

dt and weinerdog you two bozos really crack me up. Talk about brainwashed by radio-speak and liberal website garbage.
I don't listen to ANY talk radio, I don't go to any websites, and I am a REAL been-there-done-that while you two morons were popping zits and trying to chase girls. In fact, reading "the weiner" or is it whiner??? quoting Kissinger is laughable. Oh, and BTW I am retired Sergeant Major, not a "private" however any military person would have more esperience than you. Now, Clinton didn't "improve" the economy; it was improving BEFORE he was elected! That Clinton "surplus" got us absolutely nothing. It represented money wasted that could have been spent fighting terrorism. Abu Gharib? Give me a break! I already said they were investigated and punished but PLEASE take note. This may be beyond your comprehension, but there is a HUGE difference between the abuse that they suffered vs, the REAL torture that our POWs suffered in North Vietnam; many didn't come back alive. Now, Tard, 7 years of Clinton "growth" as we all know now was based on false earnings reports from many energy and tech companies that are now GONE. The current deficeit is a result of 9/11 economic recovery and fighting a war vs terrorists and containment of rogue nations. Most of this wouldn't even BE an issue right now if Clinton had done his job. Thank you George W. Bush, you have done a great job!!!

dt said: "Bush "returned competence back to the oval office"--are you F$%#ing nuts!? You mean like how he ignored warnings of 9/11,"
Ummm..wrong..that is just plain absurd. If ANYONE had "warnings" on 9/11 you might be talking about FBI or CIA officials, but that doesn't EVEN come close to Clinton's COMPLETE failure during 8 years to retaliate effectively to the first WTC attack (1993), bombing of Khobar Towers, twin embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, and of course the attack on the USS Cole. You lost that one.
dt said:
"how he botched the evacuation of New Orleans,"

Um, wrong again..that would be the Mayor of New Orleans that botched the evacutaion of New Orleans. You are down two now.

"how he compromised the integrity of the justice department,"

Oh really? Just how would that be? I guess he could have done like Clinton and committed gross misconduct and perjury.

"how he started a war under false pretenses then botched the prosecution of that war, how he botched the reconstruction of Iraq but made his Military Contractor cronies filthy rich,"

Well, Bush was privy to the same flawed intelligence provided by the CIA, "Curveball", and other intelligence assets. However, the so-called WMDs were only of about 23 litants that gave reason for invading Iraq. We should have removed him in 1991, and knowing what I know about Iraq and Saddam Hussein, which I GUARANTEE is WAY more than you do, I am glad we got rid of him. You want to poo-poo about contractors? Let me clue you in. I have been involved in many operations, and I would take the support that KBR gives us over UN support any day. It is also a fact that companies like Triple Canopy and Blackwater, despite the isolated incidents, do very good work, and do many jobs that free up the uniforms to do their jobs. There are some things I might have done different in Iraq, BUT...I would rather see a decision made and action taken, even if it isn't the BEST possible vs NO action at all. Looks like you lose this one too.

"how he destroyed our economy with reckless deficit spending, unnecessary tax cuts, and lax regulation."

Ok, this is also wrong. The economy is fine, better than when he took office, and you can't show me any proof that the "tax cuts" had a negative effect. Now, as far as the deficit is concerned, it IS coming down, and again, look at the reality of the situation!!! You had 9/11, stock market crash, airline industry collapse, and the corporate scandals...NONE of which Bush caused! Yet, we have recovered. You want to complain about the cost of the war? It's one of the cheapest ever, compared to Vietnam, WWII, WWI, etc. You lose this point as well.

"What is wrong with you people? Clinton has a dalliance with a 22-year-old and that's worse that a war built on lies that will cost this nation trillions of dollars, thousands of U.S. lives, hundreds of thousand Iraqi lives, respect around the world. Not to mention it will create MORE terrorist, not less."

What is wrong with you? No facts, just emotion, and NO apprecitaion for a president that had to deal with the worst national crisis since Truman was in office. I don't care about "Clinton's dalliance". I DO care that it took place IN the Oval Office while he was "on duty" and the fact that he perjured himself. I do care that he has remained arrogant, unappologetic, and still craves the limelight. I do hate the fact that he did nothing to stem the economic downturn in 2000, couldn't deal with Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, and made this country the laughing stock of the rest of the world while he (Clinton) was in office. War costs money (this one is cheap), costs lives, always a tragedy, but the Marines in Iwo Jima alone lost more men in 3 days than we have lost in the entire Iraq campaign, and if you want to talk civilian casualties, more died in one night of bombing in Dresden, Germany in WWII than the entire Gulf Wars one and two. Sad but true. Now, do you want to keep commenting or are you done taking a beating?

"dt and weinerdog you two bozos really crack me up. Talk about brainwashed by radio-speak and liberal website garbage.I don't listen to ANY talk radio, I don't go to any websites, and I am a REAL been-there-done-that while you two morons were popping zits and trying to chase girls. In fact, reading "the weiner" or is it whiner??? quoting Kissinger is laughable. Oh, and BTW I am retired Sergeant Major, not a "private" however any military person would have more esperience than you."

That's funny for someone who does not listen to ANY radio and does not go to ANY Websites this right here IS a standard right radio web character assignation. Don't go to ANY websites? Mr Hermit while you have decided that you are too good for civilization and all that it offers, civilization thinks this would be more convincing if you weren't on this web site saying "you don't visit any websites".

Emerson Bolen is absolutely right!

B.J.Clinton was far more interested in chasing skirts around the White House than protecting us.
We were attacked 8 times at home and abroad and B.J. did nothing....a wussy liberals dream.
9/11 was planned for THREE YEARS under his nose...B.J.is The Worst President Ever!
weinerdog and dt...nice kind words to a retired military man...I thought you libs supported soldiers,but not the war effort.
If you can read this thank a teacher...if it's in English,thank a soldier


President Bush calls his failure to win Social Security reform “the biggest disappointment’’ of his presidency.

He can count that as one of many disappointments.


So, if you kill someone while torturing them, I guess that counts as Real torture, huh?:


Emerson, don't pretend you know anything about me. I've met my military obligations, I've been retired for three years, and, while I appreciate your service to God and country, it doesn't make you any more qualified to assess Bush's foreign and domestic policy than myself or dozens of others on this blog.

Furthermore, you may recall, many high ranking military personel (Generals, for instance, with first hand experience in IRAQ) would strongly disagree with you.

Forget about Bush's bogus reasons for invading Iraq. If you'd read any books about the current debacle, like The End of Iraq--Peter Galbraith, Assasins Gate--George Packard, Fiasco--Thomas Ricks, you would see dozens of documented cases where high ranking Military personel complained of Bush's hand picked people, Rummy, Bremer, and others completly disregarding plans years in the making, disregarding the opinions of the most experienced military experts, policy experts, state department experts, and intelligence experts, to implement a flawed strategy in Iraq. Erik Shenseki, U.S. Army Chief of Staff (four star general) said before the U.S. Senate Armed Services committee prior to the war in Iraq that it would require "something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" for post-war Iraq. On November 15, 2006, in testimony before Congress, CENTCOM Commander, Gen. John Abizaid said that Gen. Shinseki's estimate had proved correct. But Rummy knew better than any of them, and Bush obliged.

Then you make this absurd statement:
"The current deficeit is a result of 9/11 economic recovery and fighting a war vs terrorists and containment of rogue nations. Most of this wouldn't even BE an issue right now if Clinton had done his job. Thank you George W. Bush, you have done a great job!!!

9/11, which happened 9 months into Bush's term, BTW, doesn't account for 3 Trillion in deficits. Cutting taxes in time of war, letting a Republican congress spend like drunken sailors explains a lot of it.

Containment of "rogue nations"?. We did have Iraq contained, the sanctions were working, it was costing us a small fraction of the wars current cost to enforce the "no fly zone" and other measures. Iraq was not a threat to us. Now it's costing us $2 billion a week. And about those terrorist, Iraq had what to do with the terrorist hijackings on 9/11? Most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, lets invade that rogue nation. Pakistan was giving nuclear technology to N. Korea and other countries, lets invade that rogue nation. So many "rogue" nations, so few trillions to borrow and flush. The one thing we can agree on, Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11. Where is he, by the way?

Yeah, you've done a heckuva job, Dubya:

George W. Bush Resume

Past work experience:

Ran for congress and lost.

Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments as president:

Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Records and References:

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

And to think, all this was before the crown jewel of his accomplishments, the Iraq fiasco. We hardly know how to thank you.

dt, that is quite a list. It's really heartbreaking to go through the whole thing. You have to laugh at dimbulbs like Private Bolus. The real Sgt. Majors I knew were very smart men who understood their serious responsibilities. Private Bolus on the other hand wouldn't know an AK-47 from his own rear end. He is a perfect example of the fighting 101st keyboarders. Too chicken to put his money where his mouth is. If he's not posting from Iraq, I'm not interested in Rush Limpbaugh approved talking points being parroted back to me.

You have to wonder about this kind of assertion from a man who has likely never read a serious history book.

Nevertheless, yes, indeed, history will judge.

And its judgment can only be harsh because the facts are so overwhelmingly clear.

The most destructive president in history, both in terms of foreign policy and domestic policy.

A man who has in every way diminished liberty at home.

A man who in his retirement is quite likely to be arrested as a war criminal if he travels much. Much as when the criminal Rumsfeld had to hustled out of France to avoid charges.

But he won't travel. This is the man who bragged in his first election campaign of never reading the international section of the newspaper.

And his record has proven the accuracy of his brag.

I just wish America's mainline media had made available the pictures published in a number of parts of the world during the invasion and during barbaric episodes like the assault of Fallujah.

Children shattered by cluster bombs, in some cases reduced to dark mush on the ground by the use of phosphorus as a weapon. Women like broken dolls on the ground.

In total, the best part of a million innocents destroyed.

And for what? The chaos that prevails in Iraq today.

"George Bush returned COMPETENCE back to the Oval Office! After the 8 years of shame an ineptitude we had to deal with during the 8 years of Clinton, having Bush in office was a HUGE breath of fresh air.
Posted by: US Army SGM (ret) Emerson Bolen | November 13, 2007 7:37 PM"

Get real, Private Pyle.

SGM, take it from this broken down tanker that history will not judge George W. Bush kindly.



The tragedy of September 11, 2001 was so sudden and devastating that it may
be difficult at this point in time to write dispassionately and objectively about its
effects on the U.S. economy. This retrospective review will attempt such an
undertaking. The loss of lives and property on 9/11 was not large enough to have had a measurable effect on the productive capacity of the United States even though it had a very significant localized effect on New York City and, to a lesser degree, on the greater Washington, D.C. area. Thus, for 9/11 to affect the economy it would have had to have affected the price of an important input, such as energy, or had an adverse effect on aggregate demand via such mechanisms as consumer and business
confidence, a financial panic or liquidity crisis, or an international run on the dollar.

It was initially thought that aggregate demand was seriously affected, for while the existing data showed that GDP growth was low in the first half of 2001, data published in October showed that GDP had contracted during the 3rd quarter. This led to the claim that “The terrorist attacks pushed a weak economy over the edge into
an outright recession.” We now know, based on revised data, this is not so. At the time of 9/11 the economy was in its third consecutive quarter of contraction; positive
growth resumed in the 4th quarter. This would suggest that any effects from 9/11 on demand were short lived. While this may be true, several events took place before, on, and shortly after 9/11, that made recovery either more rapid than it might have
been or made it possible to take place. First, the Federal Reserve had eased credit during the first half of 2001 to stimulate aggregate demand. The economy responds
to policy changes with a lag in time. Thus, the public response may have been felt in the 4th quarter giving the appearance that 9/11 had only a limited effect. Second, the Federal Reserve on and immediately after 9/11 took appropriate action to avert
a financial panic and liquidity shortage. This was supplemented by support from foreign central banks to shore up the dollar in world markets and limited the contagion of 9/11 from spreading to other national economies. Nevertheless, U.S. trade with other countries, especially Canada, was disrupted. While oil prices spiked
briefly, they quickly returned to their pre-9/11 levels.

Thus, it can be argued, timely action contained the short run economic effects
of 9/11 on the overall economy. Over the longer run 9/11 will adversely affect U.S. productivity growth because resources are being and will be used to ensure the security of production, distribution, finance, and communication. "

"An Overview
Economy-Wide Implications and the Fiscal-Monetary

When the terrorist attack occurred it was known that the U.S. economy was in
a transition from an unsustainable to a sustainable rate of growth. To accomplish this, the Federal Reserve began to tighten credit in mid-1999. This tightening continued through May 2000. Key economic indicators reflected this tightening:
industrial production reached a peak in June 2000 and slowly began to decline, the two consumer confidence indexes peaked in May 2000 and the unemployment rate
began to rise, reaching 4.9% in August 2001 (from a low of 3.9% late in 2000). The
then available data on GDP growth showed that it was quite low, but positive, during the first half of 2001. Clearly, the economy was softening and the possibility of a
recession loomed.
However, the actual state of the economy was quite different from that depicted by the GDP data. As a result, various claims were made for the economic effects of 9/11 which were unfounded, in particular that it “pushed a weak economy over the
edge into an outright contraction.” This conclusion was based on data released in
September, October, and November which showed a large rise in the unemployment
rate, a fall in consumer confidence, and a contraction in GDP for the 3rd quarter of

As data revisions for GDP were released in the summer of 2002, we learned that
GDP began contracting in the 1st quarter of 2001, a contraction that continued
through the 3rd quarter and that positive growth began again in the 4th quarter (at an annual rate of 2.7%). This period of contraction would, of course, explain the rise in the unemployment rate. Moreover, the fall in consumer confidence seems now to be largely explained by such underlying factors as the rise in the unemployment rate,
the increase in the rate of inflation, and the fall in stock prices.
Thus the events of 9/11, tragic though they were, did not “push a weak economy over the edge into outright contraction.” The economy was contracting when 9/11 occurred and it was poised to shift toward positive growth shortly thereafter. The terrorist attacks did cause some severe localized effects, especially in and around the target areas, and that may have muted the magnitude of growth in the 4th quarter.
This fairly modest effect may have been due to assurances given by the Federal Reserve within hours of the attack that it was still in business and that sufficient liquidity would be available for the financial community. Over the next three days,
the Federal Reserve added some $100 billion per day in liquidity. As a result, it can be argued, a human tragedy was not compounded by a financial crisis.

Terrorism and National Productivity

The lasting economic effect of 9/11 will be of a different nature. Large amounts of resources are and will be committed to making production, distribution, finance,
and communication more secure in the United States."

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"The Day Nothing Much Changed" William J Dobson.

Skinny on the outdated, debunked "Bush resume" email, for those who have the time:


Hey Private Emerson,

I see that your still fixated on the Bill Clinton/Monica thing from nine years ago.

Here's the difference, Private:

Bill Clinton - Peace, prosperity and one BJ.

George W Bush - Pre-emptive wars, millions of innocent deaths, thousands of American deaths and billions upon billions of wasted treasure.

I'll take the guy who got the BJ (Bubba) over the Drydrunk in Chief (W) that we have now anyday of the week.

"Worst President Ever"


Warnings of the increasing likelihood that al- Qaeda would soon attack U.S. to Condoleeza Rice:


Clinton's terror response, more lies from private Pyle:


Bush neutered FEMA:


Bush's DOJ:

Onward Christian Lawyers: Pat Robertson's law school grads fill Dept. of Justice:

More than 150 attorneys hired by the federal government during the Bush administration have been graduates of Regent University School of Law, founded by televangelist Pat Robertson to provide "Christian leadership to change the world," the Boston Globe is reporting.

The story opens with this chilling paragraph:
The title of the course was Constitutional Law, but the subject was sin. Before any casebooks were opened, a student led his classmates in a 10-minute devotional talk, completed with "amens," about the need to preserve their Christian values.
Monica Goodling, a Regent graduate and until last week top aide to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, recently resigned. She was one of a handful of officials who oversaw the firings of U.S. attorneys in what has become another Bush scandal.

She recently refused to testify to Congress, citing the Fifth Amendment.

Regent University's 21-year history is that of a school that has turned out a high number of graduates unable to pass the bar exam. It was accredited by the American Bar Association in 1996.

"It used to be that high-level DOJ jobs were generally reserved for the best of the legal profession," wrote a contributor to The New Republic website. "...[T]hat a recent graduate of one of the very worst (and sketchiest) law schools with virtually no relevant experience could ascend to this position is a sure sign that there is something seriously wrong at the DOJ."

Monica Goodling's undergraduate work was done at Messiah College, a Christian school "committed to an embracing evangelical spirit." Her entire higher education has been steeped in evangelical tradition and beliefs.

Shortly after Bush became president, he picked the dean of Regent's government school, Kay Coles James, to be the director of the Office of Personnel Management, and she has since packed the upper echelons of the Dept. of Justice with attorneys with Regent degrees.

"We've had great placement," said Jay Sekulow, who heads a non profit law firm based at Regent that files lawsuits aimed at lowering barriers between church and state. "We've had a lot of people in key positions," the Globe reports.

Regent University is ranked a "tier four" school by US News & World Report, the lowest score and essentially a tie for 136th place.

Sixty percent of the graduates in Goodling's 1999 class failed the bar exam on the first attempt. It has improved, according to the Princeton Review, to a 67% pass rate today.

Former Attorney General John Ashcroft is the university's newest instructor. He co-teaches a course called "Human Rights, Civil Liberties, and National Security."

Creeping theocracy, or just typical of Washington politics?

(Burning Taper)

About your "23 litants that gave reason for invading Iraq"; Yeah, it was pretty hard to keep track, here's a refresher:

Version 1.0 - Saddam Hussein is an imminent threat

Version 1.01 - Saddam Hussein is a gathering threat

Version 1.02 - Saddam Hussein poses a real and dangerous threat

Version 1.1 - The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud

Version 1.2 - We can't afford to wait

Version 1.3 - We never said imminent

Version 1.3.1 - OK, maybe we did say it once or twice

Version 1.4 - We should have been more precise

Version 2.1 - Saddam has weapons of mass destruction

Version 2.2 - Saddam has nuclear weapons

Version 2.3 - Saddam has biological agents he's never accounted for

Version 2.3.1 - The trailers are mobile labs for producing chemical weapons

Version 2.3.2 - Unmanned aircraft are ready to spread Saddam's biological weapons

Version 2.4 - Saddam's going to make more of all these weapons

Version 2.5 - We all know where the weapons are

Version 2.5.1 - Well, Saddam has used weapons of mass destruction

Version 2.5.2 - Iraq is a big country. We'll find the weapons eventually.

Version 2.5.3 - Saddam had weapons of mass destruction programs

Version 2.5.4 - Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction program related activities"

Version 2.5.5 - David Kay? Who's David Kay?

Version 2.6 - It's not about misleading the American people - Saddam Hussein is gone and that's the most important thing

Version 3.0 - We based our statements on our available intelligence

Version 3.1 - Saddam tried to buy uranium ore in Niger

Version 3.1.2 - Well, that was what the British told us

Version 3.1.3 - Did we tell you about Joe Wilson's wife?

Version 3.1.4 - Do you know a good lawyer?

Version 3.2 - The intelligence is absolutely clear

Version 3.2.1 - Intelligence is never 100 percent certain

Version 3.2.2 - We didn't manipulate the intelligence

Version 3.3 - There was no consensus within the intelligence community

Version 3.3.1 - We saw the same intelligence the last Administration did

Version 4.0 - Saddam has long-standing ties to al Qaeda

Version 4.0.1 - You can't distinguish between Saddam and al Qaeda

Version 4.0.2 - There is an al Qaeda terrorist network in Iraq

Version 4.0.3 - Saddam has provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training.

Version 4.0.4 - Saddam will give his weapons to al Qaeda

Version 4.0.5 - Colin Powell: I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection [between al Qaeda and Iraq]

Version 4.0.6 - Vice President Cheney: I still believe there's a connection.

Version 4.0.7 - CIA Director George Tenet: I told Dick not to say that.

Version 5.0 - The UN had 12 years to deal with this

Version 5.1 - We don't trust the UN to handle this

Version 5.1.1 - We don't need the UN's help

Version 5.1.2 - The UN should play a vital, but not central role

Version 5.1.3 - You there, UN, tell Ayatollah Sistani that elections aren't possible

Version 5.1.4 - UN, please oversee the election process

Version 5.1.5 - Pretty please? We'll pay our dues

Version 6.0 - Iraq won't affect our hunt for bin Laden

Version 6.1 - Assets have been moved from Afghanistan to Iraq

Version 6.1.1 - Assets are being returned to Afghanistan

Version 6.2 - We're mounting a spring offensive against bin Laden

Version 6.2.1 - We'll catch bin Laden this year

Version 6.2.2 - We hope to catch bin Laden this year

Version 6.3 - Even if we catch bin Laden, the threat will still exist.

Version 7.0 - We won't need hundreds of thousands of troops - that's wildly off the mark

Version 7.1 - Mission accomplished

Version 7.1.1 - We'll stay as long as needed and not one day more

Version 7.1.2 - The troops will be home in six months

Version 7.1.3 - The Iraqi Army will provide security

Version 7.1.4 - Where's the Iraqi Army?

Version 7.1.5 - We've disbanded the Iraqi Army

Version 7.1.3 - The troops will stay a year and be replaced

Version 7.2 - We're training the Iraqi army - Iraqification will work

Version 7.2.1 - We don't need any more American troops

Version 7.2.2 - Well, maybe we do

Version 7.2.3 - We're keeping 30,000 more troops on active duty than were authorized

Version 7.2.4 - We don't know if this increase in troops is a spike or a plateau

Version 7.2.5 - We're establishing stop loss so troops can't leave

Version 7.2.6 - The Army is planning multi-year rotations

Version 8.0 - Economic advisor Larry Lindsey: The war will cost $200 billion

Version 8.0.1 - President Bush: You're fired!

Version 8.1 - The war will pay for itself very quickly

Version 8.1.1 - Iraqi oil revenue will pay for reconstruction

Version 8.2 - Our allies will help us

Version 8.3 - We'll pay for the war through supplementals

Version 8.3.1 - Congress wouldn't let us put it in the budget

Version 8.3.2 - Can we please have $87 billion?

Version 8.3.3 - Well, we really can't calculate what it will cost…

Version 8.3.4 - Well, maybe we can - $50 billion may be on the low side

Version 8.3.5 - Ask us after November 2…

Version 9.0 - We will be greeted as liberators

Version 9.0.1 - We'll establish democracy in Iraq

Version 9.1 We'll turn this back to the Iraqis quickly

Version 9.1.1 - President Chalabi will be welcomed with open arms

Version 9.1.2 - Well, not so fast - we're prohibiting political parties

Version 9.2 - We have the November 15 agreement - it's unchangeable

Version 9.2.1 - We will appoint a small governing council

Version 9.2.2 - Well, maybe a larger one

Version 9.3 - We don't favor elections

Version 9.3.1 - Caucuses work in Iowa, why not Iraq?

Version 9.3.2 - OK fine, we'll have elections

Version 9.4 - We can't return sovereignty until there is a constitution

Version 9.4.1 - Nevermind, we'll turn over sovereignty first

Version 9.4.2 - We need to return this to the Iraqis - How about June 30?

Version 9.4.3 - We're still focused on elections – the ones on November 2

Version 10.0 - Trust us. We know what we're doing

"We should have removed him in 1991, and knowing what I know about Iraq and Saddam Hussein, which I GUARANTEE is WAY more than you do, I am glad we got rid of him":

Apparently, Darth didn't agree with you. Amazing how prescient these words seem now:

Shortly after the first Gulf War, then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney was a little sensitive to charges that he failed to “finish the job” against Iraq. More than a few hawks thought that Cheney and the other Bush administration dropped the ball when it had the opportunity to take out Saddam but chose not to.

In a 1991 speech, Cheney delivered a rather defensive speech on the subject, noting the intense sectarian rivalries that dominate Iraqi society and the likely inability to maintain stability in Baghdad. As for replacing Saddam with a democracy, Cheney asked his audience, “How much credibility is that government going to have if it’s set up by the United States military when it’s there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for the government, and what happens to it once we leave?”

Cheney also said:

“The notion that we ought to now go to Baghdad and somehow take control of the country strikes me as an extremely serious one in terms of what we’d have to do once we got there. You’d probably have to put some new government in place. It’s not clear what kind of government that would be, how long you’d have to stay. For the U.S. to get involved militarily in determining the outcome of the struggle over who’s going to govern in Iraq strikes me as a classic definition of a quagmire.”

The ‘91 Cheney sure was smart, wasn’t he?

"The economy is fine", whooo, what a relief. If you and Chuck Norris proclaim it, then it must be so. Never mind that the dollar can't buy an after-dinner-mint in Canada. Never mind that oil is approaching $100 a barrel, the stock market is teetering, serious inflation is looming, and major banks and brokerages are hemorrhaging billions over the sub-prime disaster. Man, I guess the Army must take pretty good care of you.

Love that pitiful Dresden analogy. First of all, you seem proud that we incinerated tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Dresden during WW2. That was regrettable enough, but at least it was a necessary war (if not a necessary tactic), Iraq wasn't:


Sounds like you didn't drink enough blood in you're "special-ops" travels, Emerson. Maybe you can rent a copy of Red Dawn and quench the thirst.

Man oh man, Pvt. Pyle, dt really de-panted you in public.

How's it feel?

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