Let the right proclaim....
THAT ISN"T POOR ENOUGH!!!!

Why don't the Democrats set the limit at
$100,000, $200,000 or $30 billion? They
could even take care of Bill Gates' kids that way. And think of all the more votes
they could pander to. So much for wanting to take care of the poor children, an admirable goal. In the end, it all comes down to pitiful politics.

I would say Mr. Bush got the intelligence on this bill from the same people who said there were WMD's in Iraq.

just plain wrong!

"Government-run health care for every American" should be the ideal.
Americans rank thirty seventh among industrialized countries in citizens health.
The private insurance companies Bush champions need thirty cents of every health care dollar for expenses, profit and buying Congress.
Medicare, that lets you select your own health care providers, functions on less than four cents of the health care dollar. Is Medicare evil? Ask your mother or grand mother.

Medicare covers people who have retired, who can no longer provide for themselves and the gov't takes over their health care. REGARDLESS of income earned before. EVERYONE Gets it eventually. CHILDREN should fall into this same category, Every child should have health coverage. EVERY CHILD! Put a minimun payment for those households that earn more, but make it affordable. NO child should be left as a "self-pay".

"Ultimately, our Nations goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage" says Bush.
Private insurers take thirty cents of every health care dollar for expenses, profit and buying Congress.
Medicare, a Government program, functions on less than four cents of the health care dollar. Medicare lets you select your own health care providers. Ask your parents or grand parents about Medicare, a Government program.

Bush understands economics. Do you see a SINGLE reference to anything financial in anything the liberal left talks about? Health care will decline in quality and taxes will be raised if SCHIP and such programs are expanded. This is just more pandering by the left to stupid voters who don't understand that the money comes from somewhat, and don't understand health care enough to figure out that would be worse.

But that's ALWAYS what the left does: tell half of the story, which attracts all the stupid voters who aren't intelligent enough to figure out the other half.

I heard someone say a great thing once, "Do you want the same people responsible for running the 'rescue' of Hurricane Katrina victims to also run your health Care?"
We need responsible reform from all sectors of the debate. Keep the big gov't programs to the neediest as a safety net (as it is now) and allow free markets.

Bush has such an easy time declaring war...on kids, on the poor, and on foreign countries.

SCHIP, Blackwater, torture, WMD, oil

Another rich Republican, out of touch with real life.

Shame on this administration...America's worst President and a record that will be hard to beat.

As usual, the people who HAVE want to tell the people HAVEN'T that they don't need it or better need a 3rd job and they could afford it or just DIE and the problem no longer exists.

Again...I understand this as a Block Grant and the states will decide how to dole it out to the people who live there. Anyone have any further information?

I think Bush hit this one on the head. The only people who don't like this veto are the one's who are unwilling to go out into society and get a real job to pay for their family's survival. Instead they would rather have someone else (namely the tax payers) pay to support their family. Republican? 100% because I believe in helping myself and helping others to help themselves. Not have others pay everything for me! How embarassed I would be to know that I didn't have the intelligence to go to school and get an education that would allow me to financially support myself and my family and not rely on the government.

The reason the cut off is set so high is that unless you include higher income brackets, it won't happen. One thing I've noticed over the years is that no matter how much they complain, just offer some "free" anything and they are first in line. Rich farmers first in line for "free subsidies", billionaires who are drawing SS instead of turning it back in, you name your own pet peeve, if it's a "free" hand out from the government the rich are always the first in line to collect. So if you want to extend health care to the very poorest you have to include some of the better off. That's why there is no means test for SS and there never will be.

"I think Bush hit this one on the head. The only people who don't like this veto are the one's who are unwilling to go out into society and get a real job to pay for their family's survival."

Exactly! If those poor, sick, children want health insurance they should go out and get a job . . . that also probably won't have health insurance.

And the George W Bush "No Child Left Alive" presidency maintains the course while looking for the next corner to turn.

Guess what... in all likelihood, if there is ever anything close to national health care in this country (which there should be) the free market will ALSO be left intact--that's the only way it is ever likely to happen. Take a look at the UK's system... if you want to keep private insurance (and pay for it) there... you can. The same would happen here. Few people are arguing for the complete destruction of the so-called free market when it comes to health care. So you rich people can continue to pay for your health insurance. Fine by me! (and guess what--I have my own insurance, through my job... but if my job goes away, so does my health insurance. PLUS--our current system takes AWAY freedom, since the current situation allows the INSURANCE companies to dictate when or IF a small business can hire someone. that's insane in a supposedly free country. Think it can't happen?? happened to me THIS YEAR.) Wake up and smell the coffee. Someone once said a great thing to me once, too. "In order for there to be freedom for the decent people, there has to be freedom for jerks, too." That's the way it works. Get over it.

"Do you see a SINGLE reference to anything financial in anything the liberal left talks about?"

SC

Hey genius, this bill is to be funded by a 61 cent increase on cigarettes. Now I smoke, yet I am still in favor of the SCHIP bille. Why? Because I am not evil. Why am I against the war? Once again, don't like seeing people die, so let's chalk that up to not being evil.

How can you argue that kids that can not afford health insurance do not deserve it?

Now even if you don't buy into the pure evil argument, follow the money. This bill affects private health insurance and big tobacco. (C'mon you can put all of this together on your own. I shouldn't have to explicitly say it.)

I know that blindly following Bush is one thing, but use your heads, red-staters!!! You are being duped. Not getting half the story is one thing, but not getting the entire story is a whole different ball park.

In response to DL: you truly are a republican! You live by the motto, "Help only yourself and no one else!". You and your fellow republicans are the reason why Americans are hated and disrepected by other countries. Everytime I travel abroad, I'm almost embarassed to show my American passport, even in third world country were electricity is a luxury! We're the laughing stock of everyone because of that idiot you voted into office.

How can you say that providing additional assistance to those in need, especially children is wrong of a leading nation. You'll spend the money to "help" the Iraqis but not your own countrymen? You're against abortions because its killing an innocent life, but what about the life of child that is already born? Moving toward a government controlled healthcare system would only benefit everyone involved. We all work for a living some how, some way. Would you say that a stay at home mother does not deserve the right to government assisted healthcare because she "earns no money" therefor doesn't pay taxes? She is caring for the future of this country. Her child could grow up tp be the sciencetist that discover the cure for cancer. Oh right I forgot, you republicans don't support medical advances like stem cell research.

Healthcare is not a previlege when it deals with someone's life. What if you needed to call the fire department because your house was on fire, would you hestitate to call them because you're concern you might receive a reponse such as, "Sorry, we can't come to your house because you're behind on your monthly fire department bill."???

Republicans, stop pulling America back into the dark ages. The world is not flat and you won't fall off the earth if you sail too far. Why can't we be progressive and have a healthcare system similiar to the European nations??? If you pay your taxes like everyone and regardless of your earnings, you have access to healthcare! You don't have to make enough money to put food on the table, pay for gas and budget in your health insurance cost. Its a given just like the services of the policemen, firemen and hopefully someday, the doctors!

If only socialism worked many here would be happy. The Soviet Union would be running things but free health care was offered. Russian life expectancy today is 57 years for men.

Rudy Julieannie - the pretender to the throne:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks-oWuKlIUo

From the internets:

George Bush's First Thoughts This Morning:
http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/17.html

1) "What days is today? Saturday? Yippeeeee, cartoons!!!

2) "Wow, what a nightmare!! I dreamt the Democrats were in control of Congress. Phewwww, that was scary.

3) "Boy it was tough getting to sleep last night. I even had to try my favorite game for falling asleep. Counting all the laws I've broken. But I ran out fingers and toes before I fell asleep. Next time I'm gonna have to consult with Turdblossom for what number comes after twenty"

4) Awakened by the phone ringing: "oh, hi Boss...Yeah I know Dick, I'm supposed to call you Mr. Vice President. But this is a secure line, so don't worry about it."

5) "I wonder how those poor people in New Orleans are doing? Wow, what an odd thought for me to have. I've never thought that before!!"

6) Oooh...oooh!!! Just before I fell asleep, I had a great thought on how to achieve Middle East peace. If I could just remember it. Oh well, guess we'll just have another day of killing A-rabs."

7) "Gee I wonder how my friend Vladimir is doing? He's got it sooooo easy. Those people on Russia know how to be oppressed"

8) "When I was little Jeb beat me at everything. He was just so much better than me. Well, he'll never be President, heh, heh. I fixed him good!"

9) "Geez this being the Decider is haaaard...I wonder when Daddy will come and bail me out this time."

10) "I gotta pee" (with apologies to Forrest Gump).

SC hit the nail on the head. President Bush lays out a logical arguement, based in economics; while the left justs panders to one's emotions.

The aggregate power of the Medical Industry equates to what's commonly known as Fascism, a combination of state and corporate entities: AMA, Federation of State Medical Boards, and the state boards of medical examiners.

"Innovations that may lower fees or streamiline delivery of services cannot be tolerated by a system whose fundamental purpose is to uphold and increase its members' incomes and its political power," How Medical Boards Nationalized Health Care, Henry Jones.

"Simply stated, many insurance companies and hospital management groups are after profits, with the conflict of interest being trying to provide quality health care to patients and at the same time trying to save money. For profit businesses will attempt to optimize their profits, and this puts at risk the ethics of medicine, which have always precluded sorting patients according to profitability," Understanding Our Current Healthcare System, Poyai Wu.

"The combined profits for the ten drug companies in the Fortune 500 ($35.9 billion) were more than the profits of all the other 490 businesses put together ($33.7 billion). Over the past two decades the pharmaceutical industry has moved very far from its original high purpose of discovering and producing useful new drugs. Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself," The Truth About Drug Companies, Marcia Angell, M.D.

"Since George Bush became President in 2001, the top five oil companies in the United States have recorded profits of $464 billion through the first quarter of 2007 ...," Skyrocketing Gasoline Prices and Record Oil Company Profits: No Coincidence, Public Citizen.

"The Aug. 14, 2003, blackout in the northeastern United States was not an isolated event. Slow response times of mechanical switches, lack of automated analysis of problems, and an inability to see the whole grid in real time are contributing to a noticeable increase in failures of the present electric grid. The problems that have caused the recent spate of blackouts will propagate cascading failures of the grid more and more frequently, unless we create a more intelligent grid control system. This is a vital national security interest. If the present trends continue, a blackout enveloping half the continent is not out of the question," smart grids and the American Way, R. Anderson and A. Boulanger.

Here Californians should reflect on all the funding cuts to emergency services caused by ENRON executives who didn't think twice before committing blatant fed. crime...

Consider how the following states have funded identical hemp research programs: AZ, AR, CA, HI, IL, KY, MD, NM, ND and VT--this where the fed. ban on hemp is ultimately ludicrous!!!

The 2008 Presidential Candidates should be talking about how National Security dictates Nationalizing the Drug, Medical, Energy, Automobile and Electricity Generation Industries--instead we're experiencing nonsensical waste where the medical profession is reaping a Royal Payoff with the duplicate stem cell research efforts being conducted in CA, CT, FL, IA, ID, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NM, OH, VA, WA and WI...

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of BUSH and Co.--wouldn't you have to be a fool not to!!!

Why can't people who make $83,000 a year insure their own kids why take money from their friends and neighbors and stranger's pockets in confiscation. I serve notice on any member of the GOP Congress if you vote for Nancy's and Harry's bill I won't ever vote for you! This is socialism I pay for my families healthcare and always have I won't make you pay for mine. The Democrats and Nancy Pelosi are offering the biggest tax increase in history. If you live in Illinois the Americans for Tax Reform says her plan will cost you and your family some$3,400 more per year. Then, Nancy wants to give every American kid $500 and Hil wants to give each new baby $5,000 as Everett McKinley Dirksen use to say a billion here and a billion there and now you are talking real money. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

SC hit the nail on the head. President Bush lays out a logical arguement, based in economics; while the left justs panders to one's emotions.

Posted by: Terry | October 6, 2007 3:38 PM

Screw the kids, Terry want's more tax cuts for the rich Republican guys!

GOoPer Water Boy,
If you think the Wingnuts got a beatdown in 06, ya'll ain't seen nothin' yet (08)....cue banjo music.

I'll see ya at the Convention, which stall will you be using, Terry?
http://s86.photobucket.com/albums/k88/Duke_S/?action=view¤t=Convention_Logo.jpg

Bush was absolutely correct to veto this bill. It's not about denying health care to the poor, little children, it's about one less step towards a nanny state.

The US was founded specifically on the concept of small government that has little to do with the affairs of the common people. The Constitution and Bill of Rights is a charter of negative liberties - it tells the government to let the people alone in nearly all aspects of their public and private lives.

Entitlement being the key word here, SCHIP is designed to cover poor people - not middle class. The cost for catastrophic health care coverage is not much at all, and young people should take personal responsibility and buy that coverage without expecting a handout to help them. It is extremely easy to do for 95% of the uninsured population. A few trips to Starbucks each month basically blows the money that could cover the minuscule premiums that would provide protection from bankruptcy in the event of a major health emergency.

Lastly, I agree it is not the fault of children that they are not covered by health insurance. It's the fault of the parents. It should be greatly ingrained in every culture that sacrifices need to be made by parents in order to take care of their kids. That means not wearing the newest clothes, not driving the newest car, and not partaking of the many convenience items that are peddled each day - such as the aforementioned Starbucks, but the same can be said about McDonald's, alcohol, cigarettes, and buying the newest DVDs on new release Tuesday. An even bigger theme of personal responsibility of having children is that you should have the means and resources to take care of children BEFORE you have them. And it's not hard to avoid having children - just don't go jamming your penis repeatedly into any women until you're willing to put up the effort and money that it takes to take care of children, including the health care part.

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the only people who don't like this veto are the one's who are unwilling to go out into society and get a real job to pay for their family's survival. Instead they would rather have someone else (namely the tax payers) pay to support their family.

Posted by: dl | October 6, 2007 11:46 AM
[/quote]

dl, you're totally clueless to say something so ridiculous as this. How many times as the Tribune or Sun-Times profiled people working 2 or 3 jobs, and still barely keeping ahead of the bills? But Republicans like you say, "Let them eat cake!"

"Bush understands economics." -SC

You Bush backers are a laugh riot. You're talking about the guy who's business skills bankrupted several companies. His biggest business achievement was getting his daddy's friends to bankroll a new baseball stadium with taxpayer money. Bush knows the economics of political kickbacks, but economics? That's funny!

Wow, a lot of the 26%ers out today. I think dl's post is probably the funniest.

You've really got to hand it to someone as clueless as dl. Well over 70% of the American public is in favor of this bill, but he thinks 'Bush hit this one on the head'. Who needs Leno and Letterman when you have guys like this.

My parents don't expect the government to pay for my healthcare insurance when they make the salary of families that the bill could have provided for. We need to focus on the poverty-level families. Americans are too lazy, re: the Democrats who won't get off their lazy butts to get a job instead of living off of the government.

More intellgent comments from the Math Whiz.

How was your soccer game today?

GWB's question is a 'straw dog'.

Everyone making 6K a year or 20 million a year should get single payer national health insurance. No means test. Cradle to grave health care.

BC,
No I am not clueless! I have been a single mother making LESS than minimum wage and still provided for my child by making the necessary sacrifices to ensure that, rather than rely on someone else as you democrats do to pay for my child.
Oyster,
Obviously you are incapable of reading an entire sentence. I did not say to help myself and no one else! I said to help myself and HELP OTHERS TO HELP THEMSELVES ALSO. Being a democrat also you would know nothing about this because the only thing you guys understand is give me give me give me. forget about figuring out how to better your situation where you wouldn't have to worry about whether you had insurance or not. If you are so embarassed to show your passport then maybe you should try living in another country where you surely wouldn't have control over anything! Sure Bush has made plenty of mistakes while in office I would never deny that because I'm not opposed to the truth. But he's also not having sex in the oval office either (someone you voted in to office I'm sure)! I would love for every American to have access to healthcare but until we (not the government) takes action to do this it will not happen.
Karl_in_Chicago
Another one incapable of reading. I never said for the children to get a job. I said for the parents (who are suppose to be responsible) to get a job and if they are not able to obtain something sufficient enough then go back to school and further your education and get yourself out of that situation.
Aaron,
I truly loved reading your posting. The only problem I see with it is the FACT that only the republicans are going to be able to understand it. The democrats will only try to find a way to twist it.

Here's a good one re. privatized drug benefits.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/us/07medicare.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Do you see a SINGLE reference to anything financial in anything the liberal left talks about?

Posted by: SC | October 6, 2007 11:04 AM

That is just ignorant, SC. If you haven't heard those on the left discussing economic issues on TV, Radio, and Internet, then you've wilfully had your head in the sand. In fact... you don't even have to leave today's Swamp to "see a SINGLE reference to anything financial in anything the liberal left talks about". Feel free to journy down to the thread titled "Bush does Democrats another big favor with veto" and you'll find me (your liberal lefty) engaging in a robust debate on corporate tax policy with Terry (the righty).

You just choose to only listen to those who espouse your personal beliefs on the issues, that's why you haven't noticed. Willful ignorance is a defense mechanism to those who are uncomfortable with contrary opinions.

DL... It's not that Democrats don't understand Aaron's post, it's that Aaron is twisting the issue. He says "I agree it is not the fault of children that they are not covered by health insurance. It's the fault of the parents."

Find me one Democrat who says it's the fault of the children? AARON'S the one twisting the issue. The Democrats are the ones saying "although parents should provide health care for their kids... when they DON'T (regardless of whether they've blown their wad on venti's at starbucks or not), the government will be the safety net, because no child should go without health care in this great country". It's Aaron diatribe on personal responsibility (believe it or not, something that Democrats also believe greatly in), that is a nicely worded attempt to say "although it's not the children's fault, they should should still be punished for their parent's lack or responsibility".

Or else, what do we do when one of these irresponsible middle class parents who spent their money on haircuts, menthol cigarettes, and laptops instead of health insurance has a kid come down with leukemia? If you follow Aaron's argument to its logical conclusion, you say "tough luck kid.. you're daddy shoulda got some'a that cheap catastrophic health insurance I'm talking about. Good luck with that Leukemia!" Because that scenario IS going to occur without universal healthcare.

If you don't want that scenario to occur, then you NEED universal healthcare for children. Sorry. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say "I'm not heartless, I know it's not the kids fault", and then turn around and say "Sorry kid. My taxes shouldn't bail out your irresponsible parent". You have to decide whether you want to bail out that irresponsible parent with your tax dollars and help that kid or choose cold efficiency with your tax dollars and break a few eggs to make your ideological omelette.

100% of parents will not be 100% responsible 100% of the time. That's reality. You're "everyone should be mature and responsible before bearing a child as well as throughout their entire upbringing" theory on this issue, while correct in intent, is ideology in effect. We should legislate on reality, not ideology.

Fascist Repiglicans, You're Going DOWN!

From Rasmussen:

Sixty-five percent (65%) of American voters know that President Bush vetoed a bill expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 8% mistakenly thought the President signed the bill while the rest were not sure.

Of those who knew of the veto, 57% disapproved and 31% supported the President’s action. Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Republicans approve of the President’s decision while 88% of Democrats disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 33% agree with the President and 50% do not. [No surprise, there! Indies look like Dems on health care]

Among all voters, 70% say it is Very Important to insure that all children under 18 have health insurance. This figure includes 83% of Democrats, 71% of unaffiliateds, and 54% of Republicans. Another 18% of all voters say it Somewhat Important to provide health insurance for all children.

By a 54% to 35% margin, voters believe it is fair to raise cigarette taxes to cover the cost of expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats believe this approach is fair along with 51% of unaffiliated voters and 49% of Republicans.

Indeed, what is really wrong with the Repigs? Let's take a peek:

1)Live in a McMansion in a gated community

2)McMansion has a cleansing water driven bidet built into each toilet so that they never have to really use proletarian toilet paper.

3)Off to the MegaGigaTerraUltra Church after using said bidet, usually in the family Hummer or SUV at 6 MPG.

4)Radio in Hummer set to the Rush Limbaugh show. TIVO set to record Bill O'Reilly, and on and on ad infinitum/ad nauseum.

5) Monday morning, it's off to work at ZAP Corp! The defense contractor. You see, they're anti-big government, but they work for the biggest form of big baaaaad scary government; the military industrial complex!

6) Unable to use a semicolon like I used in point 5.

7)Like brontosauri they will one day, hopefully soon, be extinct.

8)Unable to take brontosauras from the singular to the plural in Latin (alumni/alumnus etc) as I did in point 7. (Hell, most of the Repiglicans don't really believe in dinosauri nor evolution.)

From Prez Nitwits Arse...I Mean Mouth:

"The Kids Can Go To The Emergency Room"
~George W. Bush~

This latest doosie of a Bush quotation has got to rank right up there with the famous "Let Them Eat Cake" line. In fact its even worse than its predecesor.

**To the chick (dl) on here who "claims to have been a single mother struggling to pay bills and is a "gasp", a REPUBLICAN, who in reality is a completely out of touch Neocon selling us a line of BS, the Bush line has the added burden of just being stupid.

That's because when you send a child to the emergency room without health insurance Mr. Bush who do you think pays for the child's care?

The child's family. No, because if they can't afford health insurance, they can't pay the bill either.

The Hospital. Good guess, but wrong Mr. Bush.

The Doctors. No. Mr. Bush

Who pays Mr. Bush? We do, the American people through higher health insurance costs. Its back door socialized medicine, the very thing you and the Repubs. regard as the Boogy Man. Now from our perspective there is nothing wrong with socialized medicine, but this back door system we have now is inefficient and unworkable since those without health insurance drive up the cost of health insurance resulting in more people not being able to afford health insurance, driving costs in an upward spiral until health insurance can only be purchased by the top 1%. Oh but I forgot, that's your only real constituency isn't it Mr. Bush.

BC, Once again you misrepresent the Bush Republican position. They certainly don't favor any government funded cake handouts to the poor and middle class. People should earn their cake the old fashioned way...by donating thousands of dollars to Republican politicians and getting no-bid contracts or legislative pork in return.

Those lazy socialist Democrats would give everyone cake! Next thing you know we'd calling each other comrade and wearing fur hats! If they knew as much as I do about economics, they'd invest that cake money in modern day crusade to bring Democracy to the middle east instead.

No I am not clueless! I have been a single mother making LESS than minimum wage and still provided for my child by making the necessary sacrifices to ensure that, rather than rely on someone else as you democrats do to pay for my child.
Posted by: dl | October 6, 2007 9:04 PM

I'm sure many of us are wondering just how do you pull off providing your child with health care? On "LESS than minimum wage"? The only scenario I can come up with is that you are a teen mother living at home with your parents. You certainly couldn't be paying rent, utilities, groceries, child care, buying a computer and internet connection...It's just not possible without some kind of help from someone else. If you are in such an income level and on your own, I imagine that you are not only eligible, but taking advantage of MANY government programs, so I'd give the Republican BS a rest.

Bush understands economics.
Posted by: SC | October 6, 2007 11:04 AM

What an ignorant and vile statement that only a repuke would make. Bush doesn't understand a bar code scanner at the supermarket. If Bushie understood economics your grandchildren wouldn't now be in a position that they're going to need this program. Bush's philosophy: Deny women birth control, force them to have children they don't want, refuse them health care for that child when it's born, keep the child stupid with your worthless "No Child Left un-Screwed" program and continue to give them sub-standard education until they're old enough to get a job. With little education who will hire these kids? Nobody except the US Military Machine. Revolting. Unless you people have been in a situation where you have a sick child that needs medical attention and you need help, you should shut the hell up. The level of snot nose arrogance among Bush and his idiot followers never ceases to amaze me. This will come down to the Repuke hypocrites in the Senate who say they all disagree with Bushie until the vote comes down. Then your illustrious Repukes get down on their knees and pull Bush's pants down. All it's going to take is ONE over-ride of a Bush veto and all the rest will fall in line. Bush/Cheney and you idiot followers have successfully destroyed the Republican party for decades to come. You're SO irrelevant to the 08 elections. Not only are you losing the White House, you're losing at least 13 Senate seats and countless in the House. Keep bitching about Barack's lapel. It just shows the world how stupid and foolish you Bush idiots have become. What happened to you people? Did you VOLUNTEER to have the Bush moron chip implanted in your head?

SC,

Go to the thread that DavidK references and see which arguement makes more sense.

If you are making $83,000 a year and you should be covering your own kids, especially if they are "well." Why are we not criticizing the big bad corporations that don't provide health benefits? They give tons of $$ to Congress and themselves instead of covering their employees. I have been "liberal" all my adult life but I am more and more embarrassed by what constitutes "liberal." It pains me to say this, but GWB is right on this one.

"With little education who will hire these kids? Nobody except the US Military Machine."

Nice.

Very Jesus like.

SC,

Go to the thread that DavidK references and see which arguement makes more sense.

Posted by: Terry | October 7, 2007 6:56 AM

Oh. please do. It's a no-contest, hands-down arse woopin.

"With little education who will hire these kids? Nobody except the US Military Machine."

Nice.

Very Jesus like.

Posted by: military spouse | October 7, 2007 10:29 AM

This is a head-slapper. What's the connection between Jesus Christ and fighting wars? You lost me.

"With little education who will hire these kids? Nobody except the US Military Machine."

Sad, but true.

The US Dept. of Defense: home of the $300 hammer and $600 toilet seat cover. Very possible they graduated from UT Knoxville I suppose.

Olivia & like minded,

It was union members of the 1930's, 40's and 50's that fought for and brought about the concept of company paid health insurance.

You stand on the shoulders of heroes, martyrs and great Americans.

If you don't agree, pay for your own health care.

DavidK,

In that case I suggest you don;t sit down for a while.

"Very possible they graduated from UT Knoxville I suppose."

College grads are so uneduated the DoD and military are the only ones that would hire them???

Wat are you trying to say?

With little education who will hire these kids? Nobody except the US Military Machine."

Nice.

Very Jesus like.

Posted by: military spouse | October 7, 2007 10:29 AM

If your spouse is in the military he/she is there by their own willingness to support a bunch of corporate controlled BS. Don't put Jesus in this. He would have slapped the next lie out of Georgie's mouth.

"If your spouse is in the military he/she is there by their own willingness to support a bunch of corporate controlled BS. Don't put Jesus in this."

YOU put Jesus in this with your name.

Too bad you hate the military and what they stand for so much.

It's your right to do so.

Too bad you hate the military and what they stand for so much.

It's your right to do so.

Posted by: military spouse | October 7, 2007 7:13 PM

Too bad you're so ignorant to support an illegal war and the murder of tens of thousands of people. The Us Military is acting like a bunch of murderous thieves in a country they're too stupid to adapt to. They've been caught repeatedly murdering, plundering, pillaging, and raping these people and when brought into a court of law (THEY get their day in court, unlike the "Terrrrrrissssssstttsss" that are being held illegally off US soil), they get a slap on the wrist and "Ha Ha Ha all the way home while they're laughing about f*ing a sand nig888 . No I don't support the foreign policy of the Bushie/Cheney regime. I think the people (US Military) in Iraq are being used as pawns and fools. Go wave your damn flag and have a nice day.

YOU put Jesus in this with your name.

Too bad you hate the military and what they stand for so much.

It's your right to do so.

Posted by: military spouse | October 7, 2007 7:13 PM

Jesus is a common hispanic name, you clown.

Posted by: military spouse | October 7, 2007 7:13 PM

military spouse?
I'd call you a stinking piece of lying Neocon trash.

Quit hiding behind the military, jerkoff.

Mrs. Satan, you know about as much about Jesus as Bill Clinton does being a faithful and honorable husband or Ken Lay being a caring, honest businessman.

Mrs. Satan, you know about as much about Jesus as Bill Clinton does being a faithful and honorable husband or Ken Lay being a caring, honest businessman.

Posted by: John D | October 8, 2007 11:16 AM

Let the John D name calling session begin.

John need I remind you of the vile and godless hate-speak that spews from that keyboard of yours on a daily basis. You sir have little room to throw stones.

"support an illegal war and the murder of tens of thousands of people."

"The Us Military is acting like a bunch of murderous thieves"

"They've been caught repeatedly murdering, plundering, pillaging, and raping these people"

"they're laughing about f*ing a sand nig888"

I especially like the last line, what a poet.

You're a great spokesman for the loony left wing of the Democratic party.

Keep talking and putting that message out there. People need to see the message of the left.

I can't believe people say you guys aren't patriotic!

"Jesus is a common hispanic name, you clown."

It certainly is. But I don't think that is the case here.

"Quit hiding behind the military, jerkoff"

Hiding from what?

You and your friends are tough sitting at your keyboards, using fake names to call the US military rapists and murderers.

And what have I lied about?

DD,

First of all I haven't seen my teens in well over 2 decades! Second I'll tell you how I did it. I only opted for coverage through my job to cover my child, then I drove a car that I'm sure you would never be caught dead in, I also never bought new clothes, didn't go get a coffee to go etc. Matter of fact there were days that only my child ate because the little bit of food I had left before the next payday wasn't enough for both of us. So what did I do to get out of this situation? I went back to school and got myself out of a bad situation. I didn't however rely on you as a tax payer to pay for me and my child which is what you would have done no doubt because the government owes you right?
If you and others like you spent as much energy lecturing in your community and educating people on how they can better their own situation we wouldn't be on here wasting time. I give lectures on teen pregnancy, substance abuse, and education. What do you do? Other than teach people that it is ok to rely on the government and society to give them what they need in order to survive. Now I'd love to be the nurse or doctor who will be removing the foot from your mouth! Next time why don't you ask before you acuse idiot!!!!

I found this story really interesting.