Anti-war veterans take to the air against Limbaugh: The Swamp
 
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Posted October 2, 2007 9:57 AM
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by Mark Silva

Anti-war veterans are not letting up on Rush Limbaugh, the radio talk show host who derisively spoke of "phony soldiers'' last week during an on-air conversation with callers about people calling for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

A leading anti-war veterans coalition is taking out television ads on Fox News and CNN Wednesday and Thursday. The ads feature a wounded veteran saying: "More and more troops and veterans of Iraq believe George Bush's military policy has been a disaster.''

The ad pictures not only the decorated soldier's Purple Heart, but also the scars of his head wound and strong anti-war talk.

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Limbaugh's "phony soldiers'' comment has been something of a public relations disaster for the conservative commentator -- or perhaps a boon, depending on one's point of view. Limbaugh claims he was not alluding to war-protesting veterans in general, but only one, Jesse MacBeth, who had told stories of witnessing atrocities in Iraq but was later found to have never served there. MacBeth has since pled guilty in federal court to making a false statement to the VA.

Yet Limbaugh's "rant,'' as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called it this week, certainly sounded like a slap at "phony soldiers'' protesting the war -- and Limbaugh went on to expand his roster of "genuine phony soldiers'' on his show Friday, adding Rep. Jack Murtha of Pennsylania, a retired Marine colonel and decorated Vietnam veteran who opposes the war in Iraq.

Limbaugh maintains it is his critics who owe veterans an apology for misconstruing his remarks. Critics are pressing Limbaugh for the same.

"This is not just the anatomy of a smear,'' Limbaugh complained on his program yesterday. "There's much more going on with this than just smearing me. There is an attempt, I think, as they have done throughout my career, to discredit me.''

(Rush Limbaugh on the radio. AP Photo by Medialink/WirePix, Jim Sulley)

VoteVets.org, a group of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, is launching a modest run of TV ads -- there's only $60,000 behind an overall TV and radio buy, which won't corner much cable time. The group says it will air a radio version of the ad during the Rush Limbaugh Show in the Washington, DC., market and and in his home market of Palm Beach, Florida.

The ad features Brian McGough of Washington, who was wounded by shrapnel in an enemy's explosion. McGough received the Purple Heart for his traumatic brain injury.

"More and more troops and veterans of Iraq believe George Bush's military policy has been a disaster...I am one of them,'' McGough says in the ad, facing the camera with stern words for the radio commentator. "Rush Limbaugh called vets like me "phony soldiers" for telling the truth about Iraq.

"Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real,'' he continues. "My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a "phony solider" to my face, stop telling lies about my service."

The ad closes with the comment: "Tell Rush Limbaugh to stop insulting our troops and veterans.''

Jon Soltz, an Iraq war Veteran and chairman of VoteVets.org, says: "Maybe Rush Limbaugh and his ilk haven't heard, but there's a new sheriff in town - America's troops and veterans, who are not going to sit idle while people like Rush demean the service of those who oppose the President's failed policy in Iraq.

"Maybe Rush got away with smears like this in the past, but he's not going to on our watch,'' Soltz says. "There's nothing phony about those who chose to wear the uniform and fight. And someone like Rush Limbaugh, who avoided service, is the one of the least qualified people on the face of the earth to pass judgment on us."

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Please consider that a sitting Justice of the Supreme Court, one Clarence Thomas presided at the latest Rush Limbaugh wedding. Rush must be a person of great integrity or the Justice must have the same radical agenda.


It's funny to watch the right have to put up with the same garbage they usually deal out.


It would have been illuminating if Mr. Silva had reported that Votevets is a leftist organization that has all Democrats on its board of advisers. Calling this a "leading" veterans organization is an exaggeration. It claims 20,000 members. By contrast, the American Legion has over 3 MILLION members. Mr. Limbaugh needs no additional defenders; he has 20 million of them, a factor which puts the Democrats and their surrogates once again in the position of playing Don Quixote flailing away at windmills.


What a shock! The Tribune and Mark Silva actually distorting the facts to meet their political agenda. Who would have thought such a thing could happen? Why doesn't Silva talk about Dick Durbin comparing our soldiers to Nazis, or Harry Reid saying we have lost the war and there is no way America can win in Iraq, or Jack Murtha, who accused our Marines of slaughtering innocents, or Barak Obama, who accused our military of bombing civilians..the list can go on and on. Quite pathetic, but not in the least surprising!


"Please consider that a sitting Justice of the Supreme Court, one Clarence Thomas presided at the latest Rush Limbaugh wedding."

1.) Before the "phony soldiers" comment
2.) Clarence Thomas' integrity is in doubt


And this story is still alive ,

This is almost as important as the - oh my gosh!- K Fed gets the kids story.


"Mr. Limbaugh needs no additional defenders; he has 20 million of them"

Adolf Hitler had more than that. Might does not make right. Note: I did not EQUATE Rush with Hitler.


Rush Limbaugh is a draft dodging coward. Let all those who are in favor of the war go over there and fight it. Let them get THEIR faces, legs, arms, and more get shot off or mutilated by bombs and land mines. Those who love the war can go fight it. Support the troops by bringing them home now and put those who started this war in prison where they belong!


Justice Clarence Thomas is easily led, has no mind of his own. Also, like Limbaugh, he does have a radical right agenda, led by the nose by the court's right wingers and is a Bush lackey.
That he should preside over Limbaugh;s wedding is sad, but I wouldn't expect anything intelligent from either of them anyhow.
By the way, is this Rush's third or fourth wife? How is it that a man like him, who hasn't the capabilities even to keep a wife, can advise a nation? A Farce!
Incidentally, I am a veteran of the U.S. Army. Never saw Rush in uniform!


I'll take a handful of thinkers over 20 million ditto heads anyday.


So, anything new here? Nasty democrat politicions spreading hatred in America, and even between the troops. Its all about more demo-rat power folks. Harry could care less about the troops, in fact he hates them. What Harry cares about is more communist power. I wouldn't believe that creep if he promised the sun will come up in the morning.


Is it really? Or is it the extreme left, and particularly reporter Mark Silva, who "won't let up?"

This is the first post about the remark that Silva's made that even mentions Jesse MacBeth who Limbaugh referred to by name so at least context has finally entered the fray. ABC News did a whole report on people like MacBeth who have been trying to con the VA and other agencies for the past three years. But you won't hear that from Silva. Nope.


The failed administration of George Bush is distroying the Republican Party. People like Limbaugh are just helping him distroy their party with their hateful comments. Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama are no day at the beach, but Bush and Limbaugh are poor excuses for public figures.


I am a little confused. It would seem that the Rush comment was about one particular "solider" who claimed he served in Iraq when in facvt he was tossed out of boot camp!

But somehow Rush calling this person a Phoney soldier insults the troops?

It would seem to me that anyone who considers that man a "soldier" is insulting the troops! He was tossed out of boot camp and then lied! That does not sound like someone to hold up as your poster child!


Looks like Bruce has trotted out another alter-ego. Bring out Damen, Sierra, Former Leftist, BOB, or JFK Democrat while your at it, buddy. It won't make you look any less pathetic, I promise.

PS Will someone tell Limbaugh and his lemmings that "soldiers" is plural and plural means more than one. This is 1st grade English. Even an illegal immigrant knows this stuff.


When will the media ask every Republican throwing a hissy fit over the Democrats' anger at Limbaugh, how it is different than the newspaper ad the Republicans recently threw a hissy fit over?


it's easy to understand why 1/2 the world hates us. reading the bile in these posts, it seems we hate each other. people killing and dying for politics is wrong in africa, america, myanmar, china, russia, EARTH. GET IT?


From Bruce

"Mr. Limbaugh needs no additional defenders; he has 20 million of them"

Adolf Hitler had more than that. Might does not make right. Note: I did not EQUATE Rush with Hitler."

Yes you did equate Rush with Hitler. Just because you deny it on your last sentence does not make it not.


Dick Durbin compared the soldiers who took part in the shameful torture episodes at Abu Ghraib and other places to Nazis. He did not compare all U.S. soldiers to Nazis. That is simply another Limbaugh lie.


It's amazing that the pathetic, drug addled, gas bag and others like him-- O'Reilly, Halsted, Bruce, Smith etc, can even function with all the lies and hate they spew.

I can't wait to see how they'll react to President Hillary. Of course, since their screws are already a little loose, maybe the Secret Service should provide her some added protection.


"There is an attempt, I think, as they have done throughout my career, to discredit me.''

Discredit him? How can one discredit a buffoon without a shred of credibility in the first place.



PS Will someone tell Limbaugh and his lemmings that "soldiers" is plural and plural means more than one. This is 1st grade English. Even an illegal immigrant knows this stuff.

Posted by: jethro | October 2, 2007 11:11 AM

Good point. Much like "childrens", it is clearly plural.


Rush should come over to Iraq and do his show from the zone for about 3 months.


It seems a bit weak claiming that the comment "phony soldiers" was referring to one person only. Unless Rush's command of the English language is as poor as our President's, he must know that the word soldiers is plural, and unless she has a mouse in her pocket, or has some royalty I'm not aware of, Jesse MacBeth was one soldier (singular).


So it goes- the DEM semantic game.. arguing over whether or not the plural tense here makes a difference, ignoring context, and more witch- hunting. aren't you folks the same team whose top guy once struggled with the meaning of the word 'is' how did you suddenly get so darn grammatically correct?

This is nuts- lets try this- lets assume Rush really does hate the military, and he really meant to accuse the anti war veterans of being Phony Soldiers.

Are you guys really OK with the Senate of the US going after a private citizen like this?


When will the media ask every Republican throwing a hissy fit over the Democrats' anger at Limbaugh, how it is different than the newspaper ad the Republicans recently threw a hissy fit over?

Posted by: Paul | October 2, 2007 11:15 AM

Paul- the difference is that Rushs coment for one is at best vaque in its condemning any soldier, the move on ad you are referring to was attacking a specific person, by name that being the General who was the next day providing testimony to the Senate. This by design or default was intended to have a direct impact on the senates view of that testimony.. but you knew that, right? Or are you only acting ignorant?


Are you guys really OK with the Senate of the US going after a private citizen like this?

Posted by: heartburn | October 2, 2007 11:30 AM

Are you OK with the Senate going after the private citizens that comprise Move-On?


Jethro, would you like "soldiers"??? Here is a press release that notes soldierS:

September 21, 2007
NORTHWEST CRACKDOWN ON FAKE VETERANS IN “OPERATION STOLEN VALOR”
Phony Vets Scam more than $1.4 Million and Damage Image of Honorable Veterans

U.S. Attorney Jeffrey C. Sullivan today announced some of the results of “Operation Stolen Valor,” a year long effort to investigate and prosecute those who lie about their military service for financial gain or other reasons. Sullivan and Doug Carver, Special Agent in Charge of the Veteran’s Affairs Office of Inspector General detailed eight prosecutions in the Veteran’s Affairs Northwest Region in 2007.

“As a Vietnam Veteran, and the father of a decorated Army officer currently serving, I feel very keenly the damage done by Jesse Macbeth and these other fakes,” said Jeff Sullivan, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington. “Macbeth’s lies fueled hostility to our servicemen in Iraq and here at home. Those who falsely claim medals for heroism, cheapen the recognition of our true war heroes.”

“The ‘phony war hero phenomenon’ plagues the American landscape and tarnishes the service of thousands of veterans who have served honorably. It strangles VA resources from providing critical care and benefits to deserving veterans returning from war,” said Douglas J. Carver, Special Agent in Charge of the VA Office of Inspector General, Western Field Office. “It all boils downs to this: these phonies submit claims to the VA for compensation and medical benefits they are not entitled to, and it takes away valuable resources from those who are entitled.”

In a dozen cases under investigation in the northwest, the fraud totals more than $1.4 million. Eight of the cases have been publicly filed and are in various stages of being adjudicated:

*Jesse Macbeth, 23, Tacoma, Washington, sentenced today in connection with his fraudulent claims of military service. Macbeth sought medical benefits claiming to suffer from PTSD related to service in Iraq and Afghanistan, in fact, Macbeth was discharged from the Army about a month after he joined. Macbeth never traveled outside the U.S. with the Army. Macbeth duped reporters, claiming to be a decorated Army Ranger who had witnessed war crimes.

*Reggie Buddle, 60, Puyallup, Washington, sentenced July 30, 2007, for Unlawful Wearing of United States Military Medals and Decorations. Buddle posed as a decorated Marine Corps Chaplin presiding over weddings, funerals and baptisms. Buddle was sentenced to 500 hours of community service and two years of probation.


*Larry Lewis Porter, 52, Seattle, Washington, sentenced April 19, 2007, for Mail Fraud in connection with a scheme to fraudulently obtain disability benefits from Veterans Affairs. Porter was sentenced to 37 months in prison. Porter claimed he suffered PTSD from experiences in the Navy, however investigation revealed the events were fabricated. Loss Amount: $134,000

*Roy J. Scott, 71, of Port Angeles, Washington pleaded guilty August 31, 2007, to Use of an Altered Military Discharge Certificate to obtain VA Compensation and Medical Benefits, and Unlawful Wearing of United States Military Medals and Decorations. Scott claimed he had served in the Marine Corps in Korea, that he was wounded in combat in Korea, and that he had been awarded the Korea Defense Medal, Korea Star Medal, and a Purple Heart (due to alleged gun shot wounds sustained during combat in Korea). Scott claimed to be honorably discharged, when in fact, he never earned those medals, never served in Korea or any foreign country and was Court-Martialed out of the Marine Corps. Loss Amount: $21,960.

*Merrick K. Hersey, 64, of Vancouver, Washington, Hersey was indicted August 1, 2007, for Use and Possession of Forged or Altered Military Discharge Certificate and False Statements. Hersey is a fugitive and is being sought by law enforcement. Hersey applied for benefits claiming he served in 1967-68, was awarded two Purple Hearts (for wounds sustained in active combat) and the Bronze Star (awarded for heroism). Hersey claimed he suffered from PTSD and sought benefits. In fact, Hersey never served in the Marine Corps at all. Loss Amount: $2,688.

*Michael D. Heit, 58, of Harrington, Washington, pleaded guilty yesterday (September 20, 2007) in U.S. District Court in Spokane, Washington to Use and Possession of a Forged or Altered Military Discharge Certificate and False Claims of Military Medals. Heit claimed he was a Vietnam vet who was held as a prisoner of war. He claimed to have been awarded three Purple Heart medals and the Silver Star. None of that is true. Loss Amount: $3,500

*Elvin J. Swisher, 70, of Idaho, is charged with Wearing Unauthorized Military Medals, False Statements, and Theft of Government Funds. Swisher falsely claimed he was wounded in Korea and that he had been awarded the Silver Star, Purple Heart and other medals for valor. Loss Amount: $95,000.

*Carlos Riosvalle, 83, of Portland, Oregon, was sentenced April 9, 2007, in Multnomah County for multiple counts of Theft by Deception. Riosvalle collected benefits claiming to have been “shot down while a pilot in World War II.” In fact Riosvalle never served in the armed forces. Loss Amount: $22,818.

These cases were all investigated by the Veterans Affairs Office of Inspector General VA-OIG. The VA Office of the Inspector General operates a HOTLINE for the public to confidentially and safely report crimes like “Stolen Valor” involving VA or its programs. Call 800-488-8244, or fax to 202-565-7936, or e-mail to vaoighotline@va.gov, or write to VA OIG HOTLINE, PO Box 50410, Washington, DC 20091-0410.

The cases filed in the Western District of Washington are being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Ronald J. Friedman. For additional information please contact Emily Langlie, Public Affairs Officer for the United States Attorney’s Office, at (206) 553-4110.

I'm also wondering why this veteran group didn't take issue with the Gen. Betrayus ad, John Murtha calling Marines murderers and rapers, etc?

Every war has a group of veterans who are against the war. That is their right.

But it would be interesting why Mark Silva hasn't contacted any veteran's groups on this issue. Mark, any answers?


Since he said "phony soldiers" with an "s" he certainly was not talking about one, right? In the context it is clear -- he equates it with what the caller had just said, "those who criticise the war."


IT HAS BEEN NOTED THAT THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN LIFE; THEREFORE, I QUESTION THE LEFTIES GOING FULL FORCE AFTER LIMBAUGH THIS WEEK AND NOTING THAT GLENN BECK IS NO LONGER A STAR ON WIOD RADIO IN FLORIDA. THE BORE THAT HAS REPLACED BECK IS ABOUT AS INTERESTING AS A FROG'S MATING CALL.


"John D.", you ask why reporter Mark Silva won't contact any veterans' groups on this issue.

Simple answer: Mark Silva, in common with other Swamp reporters, doesn't want to talk to legitimate veterans' groups about ANY issue. Because in doing so he'd be doing something other than passing along the latest left-wing attack ad.


Once again we have to put up with the whining of the right wing apologists!

Ohmigod! That group is a "leftist" group, we shouldn't listen to a word they say because of that! BS! If it were a right wing group, you would be sitting there, nodding your collective heads and drooling!

The fact is, Rush Limbaugh is a turd! He ducked military service because of an "ingrown hair" on his ass!

Fact is this pile of manure has NO RIGHT to question the service of ANY citizen, since he himself, in a most cowardly way, ducked service at a time when we were at war.

But the little brain fart will continue to criticize others who had the courage to serve and paid the price, whereas he was too cowardly to put the uniform on.

I am a Vet. I am not a democrat. I am one of those independent voters you schmucks depend upon for election.

All I have to say is you right-wing morons put your foot in your mouths every time you speak, and show yourselves for the slime you are.

No wonder the likes of Limbaugh are your standard bearers! He is truly representative of the kind of lowbrow thinking and right wing whining that others with more sense have to put up with.

Shut up and sit down, idiots. This war was ill-conceived, ill-planned, ill-executed and illegal.

The stability of the entire middle east is in jeopardy because of a bunch of arrogant, smarmy, self-righteous chickenhawks!

And you fools that defend them are clueless!

http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp

And here is a bigger list of wussies who love to send others to war, while never having got 'round to it themselves:

Elliott Abrams - Sought deferment for bad back.
Richard Armey - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
Bill Bennett - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
Pat Buchanan - Sought deferment for bad knee.
George W. Bush Daddy got him in the National Guard
Dick Cheney - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
Tom DeLay - - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
Newt Gingrich - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
Phil Gramm - Sought marriage deferment, too loved to die.
Jack Kemp - Sought medical deferment while in the NFL.
Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his ass.
Trent Lott - Sought deferment, didn't want to muss his hair.
P.J. O'Rourke - Sought deferment, too stoned.
Dan Quayle - Family got him into the Reserves.
Pat Robertson - Father pulled him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
Kenneth Starr Sought deferment for psoriasis.
John Wayne - Sought deferment to further acting career.
Vin Weber - Sought deferment for asthma.
George Will - Sought deferment, too much of a wussy.
Former MI governor John Engler - deferred, too fat!

Limbaugh, everyone has the right to free speech, but that means you are also accountable for your words. And all you have to say is that you are being "smeared"? Well, it seems you know ALL about smearing chum.


I listened to the Limbaugh rant and I didn't think it was all that big of a deal. It's just what Limbaugh does.

The only part I found offensive was when he claimed that the only people Dems talked to were "Phony Soldiers." Now, I understand that Rush was talking about one specific soldier, or at least that is what he claims.

But Dems talk to Generals and enlisted men/women just like the Republicans do. To say that the only soldiers Dems talk to are phony soldiers is to say that if a soldier talks to a Dem, then that soldier is phony.

The Republican Party is not the party to which all military people belong. It just isn't. Nor is it the party to which all Christian people belong. No party has a monopoly on any subset of the American population.

The bigger question is should Dems or Reps use soldiers for political purposes. My answer is no, they shouldn't. Soldiers follow the chain of command, this war wasn't their choice, nor was the surge. The policy makers need to answer for the policies they've put in place, not those that have the unfortunate duty of carrying those policies out.


Are you OK with the Senate going after the private citizens that comprise Move-On?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 11:38 AM

Anonymous

Really?- the condemnation of the moveon ad was directd at private citizens- how?


"how it is different than the newspaper ad the Republicans recently threw a hissy fit over?"

Posted by: Paul | October 2, 2007 11:15 AM

It’s different because the same Senators and Congressmen that refused to denounce the slam on Gen Petraeus and the troops are now racing to twist the words of a radio talk show host to make themselves look tough. It’s sleazy and hypocritical to support ‘troops’ like MacBeth and others that have lied about atrocities.

The Republicans kept the MoveOn story in the news to show how the left doesn’t support the troops. The Dems are now keeping the Rush story in the news to show how they support ‘phony’ troops.


The Chickenhawk argument goes something like this: anyone who favors military action should not be taken seriously unless they themselves are willing to go and do the actual fighting. Using the internal reasoning behind the Chickenhawk argument means you cannot comment on, speak about or even hold an opinion on any subject that is not part of your paying day job. It is simple-minded and profoundly anti-democratic, which is why it so deeply appeals to those who sling it around the most.


We could ad Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa to the list of phony soldiers. He first claimed to have flown combat air patrol missions in VietNam. When it turned out he was a ferry pilot nowhere near VN, he amended his statements to say that he meant "VietNam era". That's quite the fudge, but I guess it's ok with the democrats as he's still in office.

Norm


Like all bullies, Limbaugh is at heart a coward. He's a professional prevaricating gasbag. Next, we'll probably get a polemic on what the 'definition of phony' is. That guy calling *anybody* else a phony is just too funny for words.


Equating Limpbaugh with hitler would be wrong. Baby bush with hitler, yes. Limpbaugh is gobbels, the propaganda minister.


Rush is a fool. The people who listen to the diatribe he spews are not very sound if they believe him. The best way to silence a fool is to leave a fool alone and the fool will cease the remarks he/she makes. Anne and Rush fools of the century. Do not forget the rest of Fox fools.


Are you guys really OK with the Senate of the US going after a private citizen like this?

Posted by: heartburn | October 2, 2007 11:30 AM

Not really but what should lawmakers do when a private citizen violates an act of Congress that was codified not one week prior to this matter?


I wonder what the outcome would be if we checked the number of stories in the media about a newspaper ad and a radio host, and compared it to the number of stories in the media after 9/11 about the bin Laden family and its ties to George W Bush?


Posted by: John D | October 2, 2007 11:44 AM


NOT ONE of the soldiers mentioned in the story are quoted as being against the Iraq war. So what does this post have to do with the current topic?

I doubt that anyone posting here in the Swamp are for people getting benefits from the government via fraud.

Oh, BTW - you forgot to provide the link for your source. You know, something a COMPETENT journalist would have done.


CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?


I wish all the pro-war people out there would just shut up and join the army. If you haven't served you shouldn't be able to tell someone else they have to. I don't care if you're 18 or 80, or if you've already served your time - if you believe this war is the right war to fight then shut up, join the army, and fight the war!


Interesting quote from the Houston Chronicle about another piece of republican slime:


"DeLay explained to the assembled media in New Orleans, (that he and Dan Quayle) were victims of an unusual phenomenon back in the days of the undeclared Southeast Asian war. So many minority youths had volunteered for the well-paying military positions to escape poverty and the ghetto that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself. Satisfied with the pronouncement, which dumbfounded more than a few of his listeners who had lived the sixties, DeLay marched off to the convention.

"Who was that idiot?" asked a TV reporter who arrived at the end of the media show. When he was told the name, it drew a blank. DeLay at that time was a national nobody, and his claim that blacks and browns crowded him and other good conservatives out of Vietnam seemed so outlandish and self-serving that no one bothered to file a news report on the congressman's remarks. "


Here is the link:

http://www.houston-press.com/issues/1999-01-07/columns2.html


Yeah, all of us poor folk and trailer trash and minorities kept the likes of Tom DeLay from being able to do their patriotic duty in serving their country in the military. What hogwash!

It allowed him instead to embark upon a career of deception, dishonesty and self-enrichment!


Hey whats up,

Iraqi vet, USMC attached to 1st Mar Div in the beginning and pretty happy to be out of that shithole. No beer, no chicks, sandstorms, and freakin camel spiders, No thanks.

Btw, anyone seeing any cheaper gas prices? Why else are we wasting tons of money (and more importantly) people's lives?


20 million people listen to Rush? Big deal. Britney probably has a bigger audience everyday.

Just another example of the wrong mindset that's invaded some people in this country.


The ranging right.

There are some on the conservative end of the political spectrum who really are crafters of words. They are a pleasure to read or to listen to.

George Will, William F. Buckley come to mind. I might disagree with their opinion on an issue, but I would never question their sincerity.

Then we get the ranting right. O'Reilly, Rush and Anne. Debate an issue? Sure turn off the opposition's mike, or scream them into submission.

Has anyone with just 1/2 a brain ever wondered if they really believe most of the hatred that they spew, or do they say it just to get attention and increase their ratings?

How can you tell the difference between one and another? It's easy. If someone is there from the opposition do they sit there and let their opponent make a point before they respond.

I am only upset that ANY of this is being discussed in the halls of Congress. There are many, more important things that they should be working on than introducing bills commending Rush.


It’s different because the same Senators and Congressmen that refused to denounce the slam on Gen Petraeus and the troops are now racing to twist the words of a radio talk show host to make themselves look tough. It’s sleazy and hypocritical to support ‘troops’ like MacBeth and others that have lied about atrocities.

The Republicans kept the MoveOn story in the news to show how the left doesn’t support the troops. The Dems are now keeping the Rush story in the news to show how they support ‘phony’ troops.


"Or is it the extreme left.."


HA! hear this talk all of the time. there is barely a pulse of REAL leftist politics in america. you spend too much time listening to 'far left..' spouted out on fax news.

incidentally... you know that the countries that have a leftist democratic government have way WAY higher standards of living than you in the States do... right? I just wish people knew what they were talking about before they shoot their mouths off: they convince people as misinformed as they are not to bother reading or thinking for themselves either.


>Mr. Limbaugh needs >no additional >defenders; he has 20 >million of them"

>Adolf Hitler had >more than that. >Might does not make >right.

>Note: I did not >EQUATE Rush with >Hitler.

I suppose that we COULD equate Rush Limbaugh with a Corporatist - Fascist Stooge, if any of us were inclined to do so...

Some view Rush as a cartoon character mix of Joseph Goebells and Porky Pig, but then we run into problems because others see that Karl Rove seems to fit that cartoonish characterization too.

At times, this confusion, as all of life in a society propped up by mass consumption of items not necessary to human survival tends to be challenging.

My strength however, has come from hanging on to mottos and jingos, quickly remembered in times of Stress.

Phrases like... God Bless America,.. Go RUSH! and identity statements like, "I am a Ditto Head," stuff like that..

Y'know?

Ned


Rush is a true political master of deception and misdirection. He will continue to use these weapons in an effort to support whatever cause he chooses. Its about time he gets a taste of his own poison. It is through the likes of Limbaugh and Rove that this country has been brought closer to civil war than in most likely over a 100 years and why? Extreme self interest at some of the highest levels of american society.


BC, I know you're dense, but you are denser than imagineable.

The bottom of my paste says this:
The cases filed in the Western District of Washington are being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Ronald J. Friedman. For additional information please contact Emily Langlie, Public Affairs Officer for the United States Attorney’s Office, at (206) 553-4110.

It came DIRECTLY from the Public Affairs Office of the U.S. Attorney's Office.

And, BC, if you had a brain you would know that Jesse Macbeth, which is cited by the U.S. Attorney has been the "soldier" that Limbaugh has been referring to as the "phony soldier," and the one who made false accusations and spoke out against the war.

If you could read, understand, comprehend and digest, perhaps you wouldn't be so darn ridiculous.

By the way, BC, you might want to find out how much those guys pay for the suits and where they buy them!!


>>

That is an incomplete definition at best and an oversimplification of the term.

You have the right to your opinion, you have the right to free speech, but you also are responsible for your words as much as your actions (or in Rush's case, non-action).

One can criticize or support anything they want to, but I will tell you this much; advocates for War, especially the type of war we have instigated in Iraq, who have never served, but feel comfy about slamming those who have, have no credibility in my book!

Military service isn't for everybody; this I have always told people when discussing the service. But I will be damned if I would actively talk war or support the destabilization of the middle east, the invasion of a sovereign state that had not attacked our country, or occupy a country for nothing more than political or financial gain.

You have the right to spew all sorts of ill-informed garbage if you want. Doesn't lend it one whit of credibility or credence.

There are those who open their eyes and see and those who let others make their decisions and opinions for them.

I find that the listeners to Rush Limbaugh are all too willing to let someone else form their opinion for them, rather than check a silly little thing called "fact".

Fact is that Limbaugh has a big mouth and very little else.

I have no respect for wannabe's who claim service falsely. I have less than no respect for the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who feels justified in demonizing others while insisting he not be held accountable for his own actions/inactions.


If you accept the Chickenhawk argument – that only those actually willing to go and fight have a legitimate opinion on the subject of war – then that means that any decision to go to war must rest exclusively in the hands of the military. Is that what this person really wants? To abandon civilian control of the military? That’s the box they have trapped themselves in with this argument. I think civilian control of the military has been one of the pillars of our nation’s success, and it has withstood the test of both World Wars and Civil ones. But that is the world you are stuck in when you toss that little Chickenhawk grenade.

Finally, if the only legitimate opinion on Iraq, say, is that held by the troops themselves, then they are overwhelmingly in favor of being there and finishing what they started. I recently received an e-mail from an Army major who is heading back for his fourth tour. The Chickenhawk argument, coming from an anti-war commentator, legitimizes only those voices that overwhelmingly contradict the anti-war argument.


"It’s different because the same Senators and Congressmen that refused to denounce the slam on Gen Petraeus and the troops are now racing to twist the words of a radio talk show host to make themselves look tough."

The vote was 72-25 in favor of condemning Moveon.org. Nearly half of the Democrats in the Senate voted for this meaningless, time-wasting resolution. A resolution against Limbaugh, though equally fatuous and pathetic, at least allows for the justice of "what's good for the goose is good for the gander."

Both of these "issues" are garbage and a phenomenal waste of time. But don't forget, Republicans, the Dems gave you the floor on this one to make your obnoxious grandstanding possible. Who knows what other self-defeating GOP smokescreens the Dems will fall for.

Pathetic on both sides. MOVE ON!


> Why doesn't Silva talk about Dick Durbin comparing our soldiers to Nazis, or Harry Reid saying
> we have lost the war and there is no way America can win in Iraq, or Jack Murtha, who accused
> our Marines of slaughtering innocents, or Barak Obama, who accused our military of bombing
> civilians..the list can go on and on.


All true, so what's your point?


Turnabout is fair play. And one more thing, LIBERALISM IS LIBERTY!



>>

You know what? Yeah, you could add Harkins.

Screw Tom Harkins and all others who falsely claim service that is not theirs to claim.

So, in your lopsided opinion, the fact that he is a democrat means that he should be overlooked? You are implying that he is to be thrown out of office for it? That is idiotic.

So, he should be used as a justification for morons like Limbaugh? That is just ludicrous and infantile.

Your argument is a stupid one! It runs along the line of "Well, Johnny did it too, and he didn't get punished, so why am I getting in trouble for it?"

How ignorant is that, fool?


This many posts? Rush must be the Paris Hilton of the republicans.


Hey Ned! Quit insulting Porky Pig!!!!


The saddest part of all of this is our soldiers have agreed to be in harms way to protect our country. "In harms way" should be referring to enemies of our country, not members of any political party trying to make a point.

I don't even vaguely buy Rush's 'I was referring to one soldier in particular' bit. But at the same time, I don't think active soldiers should be having to speak out against the war either. That's the responsibility of civilian citizens who disagree with the war. That's the whole idea behind free speech - the power of it.

When it becomes obvious to the majority of citizens that the government has made a mistake, it's their responsibility to say so, whether it's a Democrat, Republican or Whig in office. That swell of public opinion can gradually change the direction of the government, even if the current office holders refuse to pay heed to it. No term lasts forever (it just feels that way sometimes).

The problem here is that when citizens have spoken out against the war - that is spoken out against the path taken by elected officials - pro-war people (elected and otherwise) have twisted that to mean that we are speaking out against the soldiers . . . even that we are unpatriotic. I have to believe, given the words they penned, that the framers of our Constitution would have been nauseated to see things so twisted.

So if citizens can't speak out against the war without speaking against the soldiers, soldiers themselves began to speak out. After all, how can a soldier be 'anti-soldier'? Well, good old Limbaugh figured out the answer to that - call them "phony soldiers".


Please consider that a sitting Justice
> of the Supreme Court, one Clarence Thomas presided at
> the latest Rush Limbaugh wedding.

Please consider that Donald Rumsfeld once embraced and praised Saddam Hussein in the White House. So?


RUSH LIMPDONG - dodged the Vietnam draft because he had an infected pimple on his arse and got his doctor to write him note.

PREZ 29% - dodged the Vietnam draft by getting his daddies pals to put him in the National Guard, where he proceeded to serve his country by getting high on nose candy and getting drunk as a skunk.

DARTH CHENEY - dodged the Vietnam draft by getting 5-6 deferments because he had "better things to do" at the time.

Frequent Fox "News" guest -TED NUGENT - dodged the Vietnam draft by crapping in his own pants before he went in for his draft physical, he says he did this on purpose so they would think that he was crazy and not fit for duty...it worked.


Posted by: Tatum | October 2, 2007 12:25 PM

I hope it was a mistake that you posted my comments as your own.


No Tatum the Republicans DIDN'T keep the story going because of support of the troops, it was purely a political move. As this one is from the Democrats.

The Republicans DON'T support the troops and their actions prove it.

Voting down a law that would have given the troops equal time at home to the time spent in a combat zone is NOT supporting the troops.

Voting down an additional pay raise to the troops because it isn't needed, while voting for a military aircraft that no one wants is NOT supporting the troops.

Having "contractors" doing the military jobs that the military can't handle because you are afraid the country will realize you don't have enough troops is not supporting the troops.

Walter Reed is NOT supporting the troops. Putting the moron who caused the problems at Walter Reed back in charge is NOT supporting the troops.

Falsely implying that the safety of the US is jeopardized by Iraq is NOT supporting the troops. Leaving them in Iraq, when all of your reasons for attacking Iraq have been proven to be false is NOT supporting the troops.


Forget the serial wives, forget the drug addiction, forget that he who never served feels free to criticize those who have risked their lives,why there would be one supporter of someone who would pantomime Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's illness is beyond me.


I only listen to the soldiers comments that come back from Iraq.When I hear Rush use the phrase femme nazi I could vomit.I'd love to hear what his 3 wives have to say about him they lived in his swamp for a short time,I guess they got tird carrying his drugs.


It would be helpful if Silva got it right. Mr. Limbaugh did not call any service member who ACTUALLY served a "phony soldier." He called a single individual and others claiming to have served but actually hadn't a fake soldier. Jesse MacBeth was simply the latest example.


"COLLEGE REPUBLICAN CHICKENHAWKS ARE ALL ON RUSH"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxRj5uWyngI


When they're out with their friends
In their new Mercedes Benz and they're
On Rush

And they show up late for school cause
They think they're really cool when they're
On Rush

And they put on their pro-war mega-phones
They wish they could step into the real war zone but they're
On Rush

But Rush doesn't care that the college Republicans won't fight them over there (Iraq) because they're
On Rush
And these young chickenhawks Republicans don't care because
They're on Rush

Give it to me
The Neocons are all on Rush yeah
Never getting enough of sending other people over there (Iraq)
(Never get enough)
They are all on Rush yeah
Give me some of that stuff (Wooooh)

And they twitch in their seat
Cause their afraid to hit the street
In Iraq

And they cause such a fuss cause
There's no one but Rush they can trust

And the best of their days
Will all vanish into haze because they're
On Rush

And they wish they could quit cause
They're really sick of being scared but they're
On Rush

Give it to me
They are all on Rush yeah
Never getting enough (Never get enough)
They are all on Rush yeah
Give me some of that stuff (Wooooh)

Never getting enough
They are all on Rush yeah
Give me some of that stuff (Wooooh)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3inspkrGVbw


Flowery Insult to Mr. Limbaugh, (Continued)

My Dear Kind Sir,

.....and further, you are a nasty brown skid mark on the good linens, unmentionables, and delicates of our otherwise fine and fair nation. I have in my three score years of existence seen many a nasty gash, running ulcers, draining pustules, and gangrenous boils.
But never have I seen anything as sickening, demoralizing, or gut wrenchingly painful as those sour syllables shooting out of your mouth like bits of unflossed rotten meat left over from last Sundays roast beef!

Good wishes to you, Sir. Have a profitable day.

Sincerely Yours,

C.Morris


Stop bashing Jeff Christie! he's been saying democrats make for phony soldiers for years now and suddenly it's a problem for you? Leave Mr. Christie alone!


Here's a photo of a Rush Limpbag lockstep dittohead at a "more war" rally:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rapture/241044580/


As one who just retired in June after 26 years of service ( two campaign stars for ODS and OPC) and who wife (still active duty, 16 years) has deployed 3 times, one for Bosnia (Operation Joint Guard) and twice of OUF. We know exactly who Rush was talking about. The same ones ABC's Charles Gibson reported on THREE DAYS BEFORE RUSH! Some of us actually watch more than the extreme left OR right.

Troy K. Schleben, MSgt Ret. USAF


DAF

It is YOU who doesn't know what you're talking about.

Countries with leftist governments have way, way higher standards of living???

You mean like Cuba, Venezuela, etc.?

Get a clue pal. Norway does good because they have oil and a small population. The criteria used and the dynamics of different countries are too complicated for your leftist brain to grasp (after all, leftists can't take care of themselves, which is why they want the Government to take care of them.


Glad to see a little truth smacking the bloviating drug-addict and draft-dodger, Rush Limbaugh, in his fat face.


How 'bout a commentary from another "phony soldier":

http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-deal.html


The team at Media Matters has documented the way Limbaugh has manipulated the transcript of his show on the day in question to make it appear he was only talking about the one actual phony soldier who was making anti-war videos.

And, even if you don't want to believe Media Matters, Limbaugh's use of the words "phony soldiers" instead of "phony soldier" proves that he was smearing anti-war troops and vets in general, anyway.

BTW, John D. You list phony soldiers up there, but only one was talking about the war.

The rest were just scammers and could have been Rush Limbaugh fans for all we know. I'm sorry to see such a deceptive tactic being introduced into this debate.


Did Mr. Silva listen to recordings of Mr. Limbaugh's rant in context?

Does anyone have a link to the original Limbaugh Rant?

It should be fairly easy for Mr. Silva to determine if Mr. Limbaugh's version of the events is correct.

This article appears to be no more than lazy reportage.

Not dissimilar to the Jessica Lynch debacle where the WaPost was reporting unknowable events as fact, the Baltimore Sun seems to be feigning ignorance on easily obtainable information.

(Silva's note: Yes, I listened to it. And it sure sounds like Limbaugh was talking about protesters in general, though he did later, a couple of minutes later, start talking about Jesse MacBeth. Nothing lazy here. The words speak for themselves, and Limbaugh has offered an explanation, and we've reported both.)


A few positives coming from this story are:

Most people know what Rush was talking about whether they like him or not. The deperation of the left has come out after the Moveon debacle. They know it hurt them bad.

Also, it brings light to the fact that the left has propped up multiple soldierS that trash the military.

Those are the troops they support.

No denying it.

Can we question your patriotism yet?


Limbaugh's role in life is to sell advertising, nothing more, nothing less. If he gets any attention at all, he's done his job. In the end, he'll be known for little more than that.


Can anyone really take this elitist pig seriously? He is too cowardly to even buy his own illegal drugs - he sends the "help" to do it and he managed to avoid any service to his country. Much like the rest of the Bushies - he is a rich man who pretends to speak for middle America


Let's not forget that Rush Limbaugh is a notorious draft dodger. He avoided Vietnam by claiming he had an ingrown hair follicle on his ass (that's what the record says, believe it or not).


This is much ado about nothing. I could care less what Rush Limbaugh thinks about anything, much less about my service to this nation. As a veteran who served in Bosnia (OIF), Kosovo (KFOR), and in Iraq (OIF) and voiced my concerns prior to the October 2002 vote to Senator Durbin, as well as joining as a volunteer to the Kerry campaign upon my return from Iraq, I find VoteVets anger and disgust a little more than just misguided.

Where were they to express their outrage at calling Gen. Petreus at traitor? Are they only going to defend those agree with their assessment of the war in Iraq, or do they truly honor the service of every veteran and will stand up to anyone who insults their service and sacrifice?

VoteVets (and I like many of them like Maj. Paul Hackett) need to direct their limited resources toward encouraging veterans to insist that elected officials address the pressing needs of Veterans and the sorry state of our military. They are being distracted by this buffoon.


I am a non-combat veteran who served during the Cuban Missile crisis. we maintained, armed and made sure our missiles carried by B-52s on airborne alert were ready. And we recovered them when they landed. Rush Limbaugh has never worn a uniform. He has, however, made a fortune from the sensational nonsense he spouts. By the way, I believe this president has mismanaged the war to the point we are discredited on a global basis.


Hey, Rush is making a fortune with his lies and distortions. Not a bad job if you can get it.


Really?- the condemnation of the moveon ad was directd at private citizens- how?


Posted by: heartburn | October 2, 2007 11:57 AM


How are the members of Move-on any less private citizens than Rush? In fact, a case could be made that Rush, who made his statement as a part of his official duties for which he is paid, is less a private citizen in this context.


hahahah...wait,wait...Rush Limbaugh...hahahahahaha...you mean the hophead... Bwaaahahahahahahahaha


Mark, there is more to it than you know. Earlier in that broadcast as well as the day before Limbaugh talked several times about "phony soldiers," partly because of the Brian Ross report on ABC News on Sept. 24. So, for two days Limbaugh had been discussing phony soldiers and the ABC report by Brian Ross.
So, this issue gets brought up again on Wednesday by a caller and Rush reponds to the caller by saying, "phony soldiers." And then a couple minutes later refers to Jesse Macbeth in particular.
So, you see the ABC report on phony soldiers had been a good chunk of Limbaugh's show for a couple of days.
Context, Mark, must know the context and the full story.


This is what I'd like to happen:

1) Congress should pass a law re-instituting the Draft, but ONLY for the top 5% of the income bracket. All military-age children of serving Congressmen would also be automatically drafted. Of course, any American would still be allowed to enlist voluntarily as well.

2) Congress should pass a law imposing an additional 20% War Tax to fund the military operations -- but only on the income of those who actually sign an affidavit proclaiming their support for the war.

3) Congress should pass a law making it a capital crime to knowingly misinform the electorate about matters of war.

If the above 3 laws were in effect this afternoon, the war in Iraq would be over this evening.

Tell me it ain't so!!


It never ceases to amaze me how long such a blatant lie can be perpetuated by the very people so many americans rely on as their source of facts.

I beg anybody who hasn't heard the full cut of what Rush said to please listen to it before jumping on this unbelievable bandwagon.


"The Swamp" eh? A good name for the pond scum that's printed here.

As a former Marine, I can vouch for the fact that I can recognize pond scum.


Also, it brings light to the fact that the left has propped up multiple soldierS that trash the military.

an we question your patriotism yet?

Posted by: JD | October 2, 2007 2:00 PM

JD- Is it patriotic to ignore and stifle the concerns of former members of the military who criticize current policies?

Or are you only patriotic if you mindlessly follow our military leaders without question?


In response to Halsted's comment, just be cause there are 20 million stupid people in America doesn't make what he said right.


Why does everyone think that supporting the troops means bringing them home?

Let's be crystal clear on Iraq. Iraq is not Vietnam. The majority of soldiers in Vietnam were drafted and had NO choice.

Every single servicemember serving in Iraq is a volunteer and knows exactly what is expected of them. It is 100% their choice to be in Iraq.

And before you ask, yes I was in the all volunteer military and had no illusions what our jobs were.


HOW can any radio station with a good American conscience write an employee a check to:
Rong Limbaugh?

Ye gads, is he still belching his drug concocked bile on the PUBLIC airways?

Shut down the radio stations. "They know what they are doing and cannot be forgiven."


Man, the chickenhawks are stirred up today, aren't they? Seriously though, Reid needs to get his priorities straight. How is dumping on a clown like Limbaugh going to help him do what he needs to be doing, which is 1) impeach the war criminals in the White House and 2) get the US out of Iraq. If Reid won't do the job we need to find someone who will.


Chogog:

"You mean like Cuba, Venezuela, etc.?"

no I mean like Norway, Sweden, Switzerland...

stats are stats. higher standard of living.

maybe it has more to do with high concentrations of wealth among the very few in your contry.

Holland, Canada... all higher standards of living.

all a big coincidence.. that well known liberal bias of facts.

"The criteria used and the dynamics of different countries are too complicated for your leftist brain to grasp"

oh DO explain then! Explain how the cost of living is higher there, welfare is higher there, education is in many cases free, they have less natural resources than the US, had WWII to overcome from etc.

Coincidentally the people in these places actually DO know what's going on in the world.

I'm expcting you'll just shut up now... am I right?

*egg*


Gosh....I didn't know so many mindless sheep still listen to this stoner.


Remember to write your displeasure regarding Rush Limbaugh's comments about our solders to his sponsers and that you will boycott their products.


(bearing in mind I only mention Holland and Canada as contrast to your neocon government, and, though they are more left leaning than the US, are of course not exactly socialist.)


Randall wrote: "Let's be crystal clear on Iraq. Iraq is not Vietnam."

No, Iraq certainly isn't Vietnam. George Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

Sorry, couldn't resist.


Every single servicemember serving in Iraq is a volunteer and knows exactly what is expected of them. It is 100% their choice to be in Iraq.

And before you ask, yes I was in the all volunteer military and had no illusions what our jobs were.

Posted by: Randall | October 2, 2007 2:57 PM

Wow... If I had my guess, I'd say you were never in the military. Because if you were, you'd know it's nobody's choice to be in Iraq -- they were ORDERED to go there; they didn't "choose" it! And if I had my guess, I'd say not too many of them realized they'd be getting "volunteered" for their 3rd and 4th consecutive tours of duty! And I'd bet when people were volunteering for the National Guard, they weren't expecting to find out that their "jobs" included duty in the middle of a civil war on foreign soil half a world away, with no adequate body armor, equipment, or training for urban guerrilla warfare!

So yeah, let's "support the troops" by treating them like disposable slaves whose worth to us is measured only by how much longer they are able to dodge shrapnel before they are finally killed or mutilated beyond repair. After all, it was "their choice" (suckers!!! hahahahaha....)


talikng heads, I grow weary of them...all are ALWAYS on the same page....curious!!
Rush (how low can you go)Limbo is what they ALL are (hannity, boortz, ingram, beck, o'reilly, ad infinitum, ad nauseum...), pathological, know-it-all liars who dismiss the truth as a swindle, lie and/or fraud...joke's on us...sad!


Please remember that in the past Rush Jeff Christie Limbaugh also made the remark that democrats are always "hiding behind a military uniform". Look up his remarks regarding Paul Hackett. This is not a first for him. Don't act so surprised.


I noticed nobody commented on MSgt Schleben's comments. He's the only poster to sign his post. We'd be wise to listen to such men and women.
-Eric


"Yes you did equate Rush with Hitler. Just because you deny it on your last sentence does not make it not."

First of all, even though the original poster did NOT equate Limbaugh to Hitler, I certainly am. Limburger spews hatred, racism, war and death just as Hitler did. No difference whatsoever. If he had his way nowhere in the world would have freedoms we take for granted, let alone freedom of speech.


CTurner - Good One! I too have to laugh at that.

B_E_S, you're quite funny.

As for me, 11 years Air Force active and reserves. And for those that know anything about the military my AFSC was 324x0.

Now onto your comments. When you join, you are volunteering. No one "Orders" you to join the military. It is also very clear what your level of committment will be, including, if necassary, extending.

National Guardsmen and Reservists know exactly what their responsibilities are and they do include combat zones on foriegn soil.

As for the lack of equipment for our troops, well, that takes money and all I have ever seen are perpetual proposals by Democrats to 'cut' funding.


This is what Rush thinks of soldiers who belong to the democrat party. http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/09/new_audio_of_ru.php

I don't know about you, but in wartime, when you are in a foxhole, there are no dems or libs, only fellow soldiers.


Come on people--It's RUSH LIMBAUGH! What did you expect, reasonableness?

The guy's an idiot. He's a pathetic drug addled gas bag. So are his supporters. Let it go.


Malone, 324 is 2P0X0 (PMEL) now. You mu have been out for awhile.

Lawrence,
Ummm, No one I know who deployed to Bosnia would have put OIF as the campaign. Where was you're deployed location?

Troy K. Schleben, MSgt Ret. USAF


Oops,
That first comment should have been for Randall, not Malone.

Troy K. Schleben, MSgt Ret. USAF


How are the members of Move-on any less private citizens than Rush? In fact, a case could be made that Rush, who made his statement as a part of his official duties for which he is paid, is less a private citizen in this context.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 2:18 PM

By definition they are private because the moveon ad provided them cover- the senate reps called for a senate vote on the resolution condemning the ad not even the organization..

So can you tell me one person by name that has any relationship with moveon or that ad that the US Senate has chosen to go after-? you can't- thats the difference- you were wrong when you tried to equate the two.


As for John Wayne being a draft dodger, maybe, but did you ever watch him walk? He looked messed up. As for you Rushies out there, peoples opinion change and over the years, maybe Rush's has too. If Rush isn't a Chickenhawk and does want to support our troops, let him go over there to entertain them. Many entertainers have gone up close to the front lines to give the troops a bit of cheer. Great! I think it's time Rush hits the front lines.


the funny thing is, if you ask somebody whose been there, they KNOW who supports them, and who DOESN'T. i think rush is pretty comfrotable with their judgement. wonder if harry R is? i know ther answer. and all this talk is moot. the question has been answered. and will be soon. maybe the dems can try to get all the militayr ballots voided again. thats support. relax dems. you KNOW and all of us know the real score. peddle your alternative reality somewhere else. and plese grow up. none of your candidates want to do anything they claim they will do for you. they wont defund. they wont remove troops, because they know its dangerous and silly. only YOU guys dont know that. so why not ask your guys up there, just what they are doing, for real? lets get you guys to defund, eh?? thats the ticket. to your troop support "problem"


Randall, yes, it takes money. And rather than seeing Blackwater idiots being paid way more than they are worth, I'd like to see some of the billions of dollars spent every year on this war go to spending for proper equipment for the soldiers. It's clear that Bush's blackwater buddies mean more than a bunch of grunts to him.


Seems that dittoheads and their detractors don't have anything to keep themselves busy like a real job?!?!?!


Rush Limbaugh clearly posted what he said on his website. The liberal Democrats like Harry Reid and Dick Durbin are the ones who should apoplogize. Durbin called our soldiers like Soviets in their gulags or Pol Pot.Murtha is wacked out of his mind.
Most of the postings except for John D don't get the argument you can't find it on the Clinton News Network or the driveby media . Rush is right. The Democrats like Kerry, Reid and Murtha and Durbin are unpatriotic.
In 08 don't turn our nation over to liberal Dems who won't fight for our side they are peaceniks just 60's all over again. They're all George McGoverns invested in America's defeat. Jerry White, Springfield, IL


When you join, you are volunteering. No one "Orders" you to join the military. It is also very clear what your level of committment will be, including, if necassary, extending.

...

As for the lack of equipment for our troops, well, that takes money and all I have ever seen are perpetual proposals by Democrats to 'cut' funding.

Posted by: Randall | October 2, 2007 3:59 PM

The "level of commitment" has been retrospectively altered, by acts of Congress and the Pentagon. Thus, at best what has been done to our "volunteer" military, might be described as a bait-and-switch con job. And even since then, I question how "very clear" the commitment is when desperate recruiters short on quotas cajole and sweet-talk 18-year-olds into signing up. In the last several years there were a number of well-publicized scandals around recruiting tactics.

As for lack of equipment, let's not forget that since 2000 and until 2006 both branches of Congress (with only a brief interruption) as well as the presidency were under Republican control. About "funding": WHAT funding?? We are paying for this quagmire with money we don't have, by robbing our children. If we were really serious about *funding* this charade, there'd be a WAR TAX. But that would bring at least some of the consequences of war home to every American, and then this whole 5-year-and-going nightmare would suddenly become politically unsustainable. Better for America (and certainly better for our Chinese creditors) if we just kick back and relax, while "our" troops sweat and bleed in some god-forsaken corner of desert for the sake of "our freedoms"...


Chogog:

It's amazing how fast aphorisms become crickets and tumbleweed.

I just wanted to let you know that I'm still checking. I will be sure to check back later on. take as much time as you need. *hug*


Bottom line: Rush Limbaugh has a fascist type personality and those that love him are scary as they are obviously easily manipulated. He and the type that love far right talk radio are a danger to America.


Why is it that a known drug abuser who used his maid as his go-between to purchase his drugs illegally for him, still on the air? Don Imus was fired for much less, although I thought his insensitive comments warranted suspension at least. Is Rush really above the law? Can he not be punished in some way-fined, suspended, or fired (gasp!)? After all, he defamed our troops in a time of war and has refused to either retract his statements or to apologize. Why don't we the people start a petition and get his fat idiotic butt off the airwaves for good?


Rush continues to be addicted to pain killers, I see.


Remember to write your displeasure regarding Rush Limbaugh's comments about our solders to his sponsers and that you will boycott their products.

Posted by: Cam | October 2, 2007 3:16 PM

Yeah, but how would one know who his sponsors are, unless one actually listens to his show? It's a bit of a toothless threat, IOW...

Besides, I fully support the right of businesses to market their products to any audience, and the right of any audience to be marketed to by businesses, regardless of political platform.

So if you really want to hit Rush's pockets, then deprive him of his audience. How? Either start a show that's even better than his at attracting and entertaining the vitriol-addicted simpletons of the "heartland", or try to turn the rubes into an educated citizenry. In other words, good luck....


Here is the actuall quote that I find offensive:

RUSH: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.

CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.


RUSH: The phony soldiers.


CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.


To all who have condemned Rush maybe you should open you eyes and ears. Listen to what he said rather than repeat what sound bites you hear. Then again that would mean using your brain.I don`t think you leftist know how to do that. Rush keep getting out the truth.


Would guys cut Rush some slack? Do you know how hard it is to put together a coherent sentence on over 100 oxycottin a day? It's hard for him to focus on all the drug offenders that he says should be locked up.


I don't normally listen to Limbaugh, but I listened to both excerpts -- the truncated one Media Matters used, and the longer one featured on some right-wing blogs. He was referring to people like Jesse Macbeth (the former poster boy of Iraq Veterans Against the War) and Micah Wright. There are hundreds of these guys -- the Fed prosecutor in Seattle alone has a dozen or so pending cases -- and groups like IVAW and IAVA don't screen for them. The VVAW was the same way, and was always larded with phonies like Al Hubbard.

Also, please do your homework before suggesting that Jon Soltz, who's nothing but a condom worn by George Soros, speaks for us. He doesn't.


Has anyone noticed the irony that the democrats have sent a phony soldier, Tom Harkin, to attack Rush for saying Jesse MacBeth was a phony soldier? This couldn't be better if they'd sent the fictional Dale Peters from the early days of this blog, broken english and all.

Remember that in 1992 when he was running for president Harkin claimed that he was a pilot in Vietnam (said he flew F4s and F8s) until Barry Goldwater challenged his assertions because there was no record of Vietnam flight experience in his military record.

After that Harkin said he flew over Cuba until he FINALLY admitted he flew no combat missions during Vietnam (he was in charge of a ferry). His campaign then stopped calling him a "Vietnam veteran" and began calling him a "Vietnam Era veteran." Once again, the left has proven the right right with a horrible messenger. These guys are manna from heaven to the GOP.

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2007/10/01/democrats-send-phony-hero-to-attack-limbaugh.php


John Wayne got a deferment because of four kids, his marriage on the rocks, and he was not rich at that time, unlike some other actors that did enlist. He received a 3-A status. Not making any excuses, just wanted the air clear. This is from Straight Dope website.

As for Rush Limbaugh and the ingrown hair on his butt. This is only partial true. To find out more go to http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pilonidal-cyst/DS00747

The military still considers this condition as a bar to enlistment.


i'va got 8 bussess of vetrans waitin to wach keith oberman with me best pal jesse macbeth and fiter pilat tommy harkin. We iz goin' to the VA to hav a few beerz cuz we is real and, not, imaginary.


Hey Heartburn, I can tell you one, ME! I was associated with that ad and you clearly did not even read the ad, just the headline. The ad went on to ask the general if he would give us the straight scoop or the Bush administration propaganda. But since your a republican, your just parrotting the talking points.


LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you --

========================

Mark Silva, in common with other Swamp reporters, doesn't want to talk to legitimate veterans' groups about ANY issue. Because in doing so he'd be doing something other than passing along the latest left-wing attack ad.

Posted by: Bruce | October 2, 2007 11:51 AM

Surprise, surprise! Bruce is doing the same thing as Rush and "Caller 2.". Any veterans group that disagrees with the Bush plan isn't "legitimate."

You are self-parodies. Thank you for amusing.


What fun to read the rantings of the
Morons.Org crowd pretending to defend
the U.S. Military. Isn't this the same
group that booed the military color guard at the Democratic convention in NY a few years back? Suuuurrre it is.


I don't see Rush volunteering his fat, phony, drug addicted ass for duty in Iraq.


The howls of outrage from the Limbaugh supporters ring hollow. Where were these "concerned" voices when Military heroes like John McCain, Max Cleland and John Kerry were being smeared by the Bush/Rove attack machine? Deafening silence is all I heard. Bottom line is Rush Limbaugh is the only phony in this whole sordid episode. And that says everything one needs to know about the crowd that continues to support and defend him.


RE: Dick Durbin who, from what I have seen, is a good and decent man:

Once again whoever disparaged Dick Durbin did not see what he actually said, ONLY what that person had "heard" (possibly from Rush Limbaugh) that Durbin had said. And Limbaugh is always careful to show the most damaging clip while not showing the mitigating sentences or context. He has no interest in fairness or in propagating truth or accuracy.

Durbin was actually paying America and the American military a compliment when he said that IF the information had NOT been from an FBI source, he would have believed it had happened under the control of another (nazi like) country BECAUSE America AND the American military do not commit such acts of torture. Torture is not "us." To quote the W.P.:

"According to an FBI agent and others at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba: detainees were "chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water," or deprived of a bathroom, or kept in extreme heat or cold. One was found "almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out."

Durbin said that IF you did not know these descriptions came from an FBI agent, you "would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime . . . that had no concern for human beings."

What he was saying was that AMERICANS don't do this, and shame on the (few) Americans who sullied the honor of most soldiers by participating in such unamerican acts!! Ditto for what Murtha and others have said!! They were decrying the fact that this has become "policy" under W. and Cheney. WE, after all, have always claimed we are "better" and more humane than other nations. We have officially condemned other nations for less.

Of course some members of the American military have been guilty of such offenses thoroughout our history -- have you forgotten MiLei and the rapes and murders soldiers have been tried for in THIS war -- but it is a small number, and it has NOT been officially sanctioned policy, although Dick Cheney has been fighting to make it officially sanctioned policy. John McCain, the only person in Congress to undergo real torture in a POW camp for 5 years is vehemently against torture, as are many -- even, perhaps, MOST -- of the best leaders in the military.

An interpreter and guard who was "okay" with torturing prisoners at Guantanamo changed his mind after he had been there awhile. He wrote a book called (if I am not mistaken) "Behind the Wire."

I also believe that in the end they came to the conclusion that about 85% of those who were there were guilty of nothing but being in the wrong place at the wrong time. AND, of course Colin Powell said he would shut down Guantanamo 'not tomorrow, but this afternoon.'

I have very little faith in any of our politicians to do the right thing for the future of our country and the world any more.


Apparently Rush Limbaugh had the cyst on his ass successfully removed as soon as he heard that the draft had ended. I also understand that the brain tumor itself proved to be benign.


"Why doesn't Silva talk about Dick Durbin comparing our soldiers to Nazis, or Harry Reid saying we have lost the war and there is no way America can win in Iraq, or Jack Murtha, who accused our Marines of slaughtering innocents, or Barak Obama, who accused our military of bombing civilians..the list can go on and on. Quite pathetic, but not in the least surprising!

Posted by: jim smith | October 2, 2007 10:50 AM"

That was all covered; look in the archive. It's all old news.


The point is, there are no "phoney soldiers". If you served in the military you are a legitimate "soldier". Whether you are for or against this war is an entirely different issue. You can disagree with the war and still serve honorably. Fortunately, I don't know any veterans who disrespect other veterans the way the right wingers are trying to do. We all served and we should be honored for that. We also have a right to disagree with politicians who have used the military for the sole purpose of advancing their own wealth and power at the expense of our young military men and women and the United States citizens. It is simply unconscienable. That is what we're talking about.


RUSH, WE LOVE YOU KEEP IT UP! :)


20 million supporters for Rush? I doubt it! Let us consider he may have 20 million listeners to his radio show. But a great many listen because they HATE the guy! But they still want to hear what the bonehead has to say! I used to, until I could not stomach it any more.
You know George Bush has far many more who listen to him. But polls indicate only 30% support him! I think you would find the same thing true with Rush.


Wanna know why the left is so angry at the right?

Listen to a FORMER REPUBLICAN going all the way back to Abraham Lincoln and why my entire family no longer are republi-"cons":

http://www.AwolBush.com

And you guys have the nerve to ask Silva why he doesn't go after the fake soldiers???

WHY NOT START AT THE TOP -- WITH YOUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO NEVER SERVED,
HIS LIAR CHENEY WHO NEVER SERVED AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY...

WHY NOT ASK WHY ISN'T SILVA GOING AFTER THE LYING SACKS OF S**T IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH FEDERAL INDICTMENTS AND RICO ACTIONS....

AHEM, that is if you have any knowledge of what a CRIMINAL CARTEL is, you would know what a "RICO" ACT is...

PROUDLY, I HAVE VIGILED FOR PEACE AND BEEN 1000% ANTI-WAR SINCE FEBRUARY 14, 2003 - MY BIRTH INTO THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT AND THE END OF MY ENTIRE REPUBLICAN FAMILY'S DAYS IN THE REPUBLI-CON PARTY -
WE ALL LEFT THE PARTY...

NOW, IF YOU WOULD LISTEN INSTEAD OF BITCH AT THE MOUTH ABOUT YOUR RUSH FANNIES THEN WE WOULD GET SOMEWHERE...

IMPEACH CHENEY, BUSH AND THE ENTIRE CRIMINAL CARTEL OUT OF THE WHITEHOUSE - NOW.

HOLD LIARS AND CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE.

REVOLUTION IS ON - SO KEEP SLEEPING YOU RUSH LOVERS!


This country is ripe for a Hitler...if we dont have one already...


Apparently Rush Limbaugh had the cyst on his ass successfully removed as soon as he heard that the draft had ended. I also understand that the brain tumor itself proved to be benign.

Posted by: chuck d. | October 2, 2007 10:28 PM

Actually chuck, Rush didn't really have a cyst. He had his tail removed conveniently at the time he would have been eligible for the draft.


Hey Heartburn, I can tell you one, ME! I was associated with that ad and you clearly did not even read the ad, just the headline. The ad went on to ask the general if he would give us the straight scoop or the Bush administration propaganda. But since your a republican, your just parrotting the talking points.

Posted by: Progressive Patriot | October 2, 2007 6:08 PM

okay- that makes perfect progressive sense..I don't remember seeing anyone's name in the Senate bill denouncing the moveon ad- can you tell me where your name was in that bill?

The ad did not ask the General if he would give the straight scoop- it assumed he wouldn't, hence the headline. That was the intent, and that is why the ad came out before his testimony.

Face it my progressive naive one, Soros has bought your party, and apparently you as well..talking points (puuulease)your party is built on words alone...so now the "progressives" party has turned itself inside out to justify Harry Reids attack on a private citizen..get real


if the pimple on Rush's butt has healed...no reason why the big mouthed coward can't go to Iraq now...and put his mouth on the line for his principles..along with with five deferement cowardly Cheney and deserter G.W...and would some one please ask them if they are willinig to send their children, if they believe in it so much


Posted by: John D | October 2, 2007 12:35 PM

[quote]
It came DIRECTLY from the Public Affairs Office of the U.S. Attorney's Office.
[/quote]

-- So how come you were TOO LAZY to include the link to this information in your post? You're supposed to be a "journalist", which usually means someone who has the intelligence to know how to cite a source.

[quote]
Jesse Macbeth, which is cited by the U.S. Attorney has been the "soldier" that Limbaugh has been referring to as the "phony soldier," and the one who made false accusations and spoke out against the war.
[/quote]

-- Why did it take Rush almost a minute and a half AFTER MacBeth's name was mentioned on the air for him to say "phony soldierS"? That's plural, John D. Rush slammed "soldierS" that are against the war irrelevant of their service - something you never did.

Let me point out the OBVIOUS - in your Copy and Paste text NOWHERE are ANY of the men mentioned quoted as saying that they are against the Iraq war. Once again the faux journalist John D gets caught LYING!


"Remember that in 1992 when he was running for president Harkin claimed that he was a pilot in Vietnam (said he flew F4s and F8s) until Barry Goldwater challenged his assertions because there was no record of Vietnam flight experience in his military record.

After that Harkin said he flew over Cuba until he FINALLY admitted he flew no combat missions during Vietnam (he was in charge of a ferry). His campaign then stopped calling him a "Vietnam veteran" and began calling him a "Vietnam Era veteran." Once again, the left has proven the right right with a horrible messenger. These guys are manna from heaven to the GOP.

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2007/10/01/democrats-send-phony-hero-to-attack-limbaugh.php

Posted by: anonymous | October 2, 2007 6:04 PM"

So now you're calling someone who really was a soldier, who served in the military, a "phony soldier"?

Go stick your head into a septic tank.


I never liked Rush Limbaugh, but until recently I grudgingly gave him credit for his media savvy in building his franchise. He was once the icon to which other scoundrels like O'Reilly, Hannity and others aspired. Recently, however, he is lifting his material from Bill O'Reilly, by whining that "Media Matters" and/or George Soros is out to get him. There was a time when Rush Limbaugh would mock Hillary Clinton for her accusations against the "vast right-wing conspiracy". Now Rush is crying about the "vast left-wing conspiracy" and "politics of personal destruction". He is more like Hillary than he would admit.


Who? went to Vietnam in place of Chicken Hawk, yellow belly, COWARD LIMBAUGH. HE was hidding behind that terrable health proplem that BIG CIST ON HIS A--. My friends and I went to Vietnam when we left high school, we could have used a HERO like YELLOW BELLY COWARD Limbaugh over there as a Bullet stopper, or a mine sweaper.


I'm a Vet. I'm a Democrat. I'm for children's health bennies. I'm for taking care of the old people. This guy is not a Vet. He's against children's helth care. He's against taking care of the old people. In what way is that Christian? How is that the America we want to be proud if? And he is paid 30 million a year, by somebody, for these un-Christian so-called traditional values. And he has 20 million in his army.

Now he is being defended for calling a wounded Vet a phony. When will people stop putting their political party ahead of the country and ahead of Jesus? It is wrong to attack a defenseless country. It is wrong to kill a million civilians to keep our cars on the road. Love your enemies. Do good to those who hurt you. When will America come around to real faith? Only when these phony Christians are exposed.


I wonder how many of you who are defending Rush Limbaugh actually heard him. I listened to the clip and heard him say soldiers-plural


Rush could only work radio and nothing else. He is the public relations mouth piece for the right wing of the federal government. A mulimillionaire as a result and continuing to irritate people. He was set up at the beginning of the Bush regime to talk the talk of the right and has said the right things throughout.
He should be ignored by the people and not taken serious at anything he says. Considering Micheal Moore with his attack on the WHite House was down played as comedian. The same should apply to Rush.. A name to remember somewhat like the name Newt..
Trying to make sense of it .........


Mr Anal Zit Deferment is truly opening up new horizons in audacity. To me a phony soldier is an AWOL dry-drunk in a flight suit in front of a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner. That and a mud slinging chicken hawk who didn't go to Nam because of a boo-boo on his po-po.


If you think Rush was only talking about the fake soldiers then you're a bigger moron than he is. And VoteVets is one of the largest relevant veterans organizations. The VFW and American Legion are full of the people that think the same way as those who got us into this mess in Iraq in the first place. And I say that, reluctantly, as a member of the VFW, AL, and VoteVets.


Read some of the above posts. So what is the big deal about "phony soldiers"? Heck we have a phony president who is known to be a phony cowboy who got us into a war for some phony cause (not sure what it is today) and who is probably going to get us into another phony war very shortly (had been because the pursuit of nuclear weapons but lately has changed to because they are supplying weapons to the wrong side in Iraq - although I doubt they supply nearly as many weapons as the US does!)

Have to admit that I haven't listened to Rush in a few years and back then I only listened for about an hour an a half a day for about three weeks while I was commuting. Finally decided I did not have the intellectual capacity to follow (be led by) him. Seems like I would usually think there was another side of the argument to what he was saying but I did not grasp it from his diatribe so I just decided that a war hawk, drug addict must be intellectually above my comprehension.

Since I do however believe in the freedom of speech, I do believe it is his right to spout whatever he is spouting. I also believe that MoveOn had the right to run the add they ran (I frankly have to say when I read it I thought it was the idea of the Gen. going to give us the straight scoop or is the Gen. going to betray us and just give us the Bush talking points).

As I admit, I am not on an intellectual level with Rush but it would seem to me that if he were referring to the people trying to pass themselves off as deserving of some sort of veteran beneifts, that Rush would call them what they are, "Criminals"!

Just the input of a "phoney" registered Republican who at 66 will probably not live long enough to ever trust another Republican to vote for him/her! The values I thought they once stood for had have been totally flushed during the past seven years.


It would be amusing, vastly diverting, and educational on levels hitherto unimagineable to introduce the 'patriotic' pundit to a 'phony' vet who left one of his legs out in the Stan somewhere, and watch him beat the pudgy, pill-poppin pederast half-to-death with his crutch, and then plant it as a marker where Tushy's deferrment was earned, about 6 inches up his flabby, little-boy- cravin' rectum.


To all the people who are equating Rush with Hitler, they are not similar. For all his faults Hitler served with distinction in the German Army during WWI receiving the Iron Cross 2nd and 1st class as well as being wounded twice including being temporarily being blinded by mustard gas. Rush never served in the military, he had an anal cyst.


Here's who Rush was referring to with his phoney soldier remark:
NORTHWEST CRACKDOWN ON FAKE VETERANS IN “OPERATION STOLEN VALOR”
Phony Vets Scam more than $1.4 Million and Damage Image of Honorable Veterans
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/waw/press/2007/sep/operationstolenvalor.html

I'm sure you'll notice that Jesse Macbeth is one of the names listed.

It's so much fun watching the Surrender-Crats making fools of themselves time after time,,,,, but please keep it up.....it will assure Hillary will become the next McCarthy


Interesting how this whole story is spun. Rush was NOT talking about vets that oppose the war. He was talking about those "PX warriors” that claim to have ribbons and awards they did not earn. Then again when you get your news from David Lettermen what would you expect. I guess that’s where Harry Reid gets his news because we all know he did not listen to Rush that day, as I did.
Oh, for those who would like to call me a chicken hawk I am slotted to deploy there in next spring.


Let me start by statingI am not a Rush fan, I used to listen to him and as the independent that I am, I agreed with some things and disagreed with others. The more I listened to him, the more I disagreed with him and more importantly I didn't like the way he ranted; no tolerance; mean-spirited; name calling; hate speech; and personally attacking people so I stopped listening. As far as this controversy goes - the story he was speaking of and the one specifc person mentioned - Jesse McBeth -I have to agree with him. That man disrespected "Real" soldiers and was a "Phony" soldier. McBeth never even made it through boot camp let alone serve in Iraq or Afghanistan! He lied when he said he witnessed atrocities given in detail that Arabs translated for propoganda purposes that puts our troops at greater risk. Rush had just agrued a caller (Mike-Chicago, IL) who stated he was a Repulican who had been in the service and wanted to pull the troops out and was trying to make his point to Rush that not all Republicans (general public)are for the war. Rush said he couldn't think of any Republicans or conservitives that want to lose the war. Mike kept pressing for when we could leave Iraq and Rush kept saying as long as it takes and told him he sounded like a Democrat because he has answered all of his questions and because it it not the answer he wants to hear it can't penetrate his wall of armor he has built up. Next Rush was repsonding to the caller (Mike-Olympia, WA currently serving in the Army)who stated reasons why it is not fesible to pull out. He said it would take at least a year to pull out and Iraq would collapse and we would be back within the year. Mike said if you talk to real soldiers instead of the ones that pop up out of the blue, Rush interjects "Phony Soliders" Mike continues with they know why they are there and what sarafices they are willing to make. I interpreted Rush's phony solider remark to reference people like Jesse McBeth - not soldiers who disagree with the war policy. I think this is a whole lot of nothing.


Rush has never actually debated anyone so it’s no surprise that he’s hiding from Mr. McGough. Limbaugh’s a coward. He sits behind his microphone and belittles anyone who disagrees with him. His fans are sad, angry people who have little common sense and no real interest in learning about the real world.

Limbaugh’s a germ. He has been since the days when he played his little vacuum cleaner sound effect and encouraged callers to ask him to “abort” their calls on the air. As with many germs, his sickness is airborne. Radio waves have spread it far beyond the circle of influence he might have had in a saner world.

I can’t tell you how many people have contracted his disease but I’ve personally been threatened by three of his sycophants for comments I’ve made about him in the past. He encourages that sort of behavior. It’s a symptom of the disease to be angry when someone disagrees with Mr. Limbaugh’s “facts.”

Don’t expect Rush to apologize to or to meet with Mr. McGough. It’s not going to happen. I just hope that some of the infected will be cured by this event.

R. Kemp
Fullerton, CA


Ah yes, the 'phony Veterans' of Rush's warped draft-dodging brain. Many years ago in my V.V.A.W. days, I too was a'phony Veteran' as in "those long- haired bearded hippies don't look like Veterans" Perhaps the 'agents provaceteur', otherwise known as Hoover's FBI plants that always were around in those days attempting to discredit us war Veterans in any way they could, in ways both legal and illegal, perhaps looked more like Veterans? Back then, we VVAWers, took to carrying around our DD-214's, which along with our other forms of ID, proved we were whom we said we were! Rush, you are a fat, neo-conman,Oxy- Contin swallowing blowhard who has become quite wealthy spewing your 'Swift Boat' bullshit for so long, you cannot possibly see nor tell the truth about anything that doesn't suit your warped senses. Perhaps that anal cyst that got you out of Vietnam (like your hero war President GWB, who kept the waters of Texas safe from V.C war boats, is the only other dolt who buys your brand of yellow journalism) has leaked some sort of pyloric germs into your brain? Ah, poor Rushie.MarchMarine17@optonline.net


FAKE SOLDIERS:" It goes way beyond antiwar faker Jesse MacBeth: "How serious is the problem of 'phony soldiers?' Congress last year passed legislation to allow prosecution of people who claimed medals that they had not earned. It passed both the House and Senate unanimously. It was introduced by Congressman John Salazar (D-CO), whose press release on the measure lists several phony heroes."
Plural doesnt really matter does it. there are a lot more than one.


The left hates the military. Always has and always will. It's in their nature.


NO SOLDIER IS FAKE! ONLY THE POLITICIANS WHO HIDE BEHIND THEIR DESK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!


NO SOLDIER IS FAKE! ONLY THE POLITICIANS WHO HIDE BEHIND THEIR DESK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!


Look, listening to Rush is like reading a tabloid or going to a carnival side-show. Its just entertainment. Here's a guy that I promise you has no more (and possibly much less) intellect than anyone listening, telling everyone what he thinks. Great, just remember, just because Rush says it, doesn't make it so. Also just because you hear it on Air America, that doesn't make it so either. See here's the problem...we are all slowly being turned into sheep that blindly follow based on words we are programmed to respond to. A few of these words are: anti-american, values, support the troops, and the list goes on ad nausiem.

Lets all surprise the politicians (both parties). Vote for your interests and if you aren't sure lets just try "Never Reelect Anyone", that might atleast ease the influence of a few lobbists.


Gee, another conservative commentator with no military record "supporting" others to fight the wars they were never willing to fight themselves. The hypocrits now chastise those who did fight but do not agree! They were never in the game; they have no right to criticize the players!


Rush Linbaugh charges, 'smear'. That's a laugh in that his whole career and 'success' has been associated with smear tactics (feminazis, etc.) Without it he wouldn't have his 'ditto-sheep' neocon followers who revel in attacking so called 'liberals'.
In my opinion, Limbaugh is not very bright and needs to continue to spread hate to continue his 'popularity'.


To all the fem-o-crats, last time I heard there is no draft in place, people volunteered to go into the military knowing that there was a chance to go into battle. To be injured in the coarse of their service is unfortunate but they knew the risks. To take Rush's statement of phony soldiers directed at a person or persons who lied about military service, and then direct it at the military in general is plain old yellow journalism. How many attacks against the government did the terrorists perpotrate while Bill Clinton was president, almost weekly, what was his response? Oh yeah, jack squat. Except to cut the military and all services including intelligence in half. How many attacks have happened on American soil since 911. Let's see, yeah that would be none. Your right to write whatever filth you can muster is protected by those soldiers. Thank heaven a republican was in the presidency when 911 happened. A demo-rat president would have most likely not had any responce except maybe launch a few missiles and then call it a day. I empathise with the "legitimate soldiers" that have been injured in the war and wish that the war will come to a swift conclusion. I would not like my son to be fighting in this war but if he did I would have to respect his "CHOISE" to do so.


Rush is not helping America, he is just making money. He is an entertainer and thats about it for me. The wife and I put him on when we need a good laugh. I do not vote party lines as I feel that is not this country is about. The best person for the job gets my vote. I served 20 years of active military service and fought for the right to say my president and anybody that follows his war on an undefeatable foe represents a clear and present danger to the USA. Rush needs to quit backing a dead hourse and start looking at the issues right hear in our back yard.


Recently it was reported that one in every four homeless people in America was a veteran ! Although our society wants you to think that Veterans are people that should be normally out casted from society because of their association with the military and because of their political motive to propagate the idea that these veterans are strange and odd and don't fit into society. This is nothing more than a pathetic agenda to dictate our nations social order through a mutual association !
Take for example that a secret society dictated that , " A System To Delete The Need For War " , be signed into our Executive at the end of the Vietnam war so that their children wouldn't have to serve in the military and would exclude their children from war ! Such internal policies would suggest a government listings of our citizens that would give privilege to a secret society and their members who seem to be directing our government policy like some kind of Banana Republic ! Considering such action would require congressional approval it would appear to explain the vast segregation of Veterans since the policy was incorporated ! Considering a vast amount of these veterans are and were non combative the reasoning behind this apparent program of genocide is isolated on the belief that veterans who worked in normal environments are suffering from some kind of post traumatic stress disorder and what ever other psychological disorders-order they can invent. They want you to further believe that because of the irrational actions of a very small percentage of veterans that it would be the norm for a large portion of our veterans.
In my opinion , are veterans are and were being forced into social programs only after being socially isolated with programs of starvation and isolation being the motivating factor and driving force behind such vast social disparity. Keeping people from working is one of the key essentials of a communist government and is used to force citizens into prisons and programs of psychology and suicide and apparently starvation !
Also considering the massive history our government has for experimenting on our own veterans and their continued desire to treat our nations veterans as sub humans has only substantiated a vast pattern of un-ethical conduct against the very people that protect and defend our nation.
I think the fact that a Black Operational Government was incorporated into our government toward the end of the Vietnam War that was created from psychological and electronic warfare experiments conducted in Vietnam gives credence to the negative current political agenda our government dictates towards our veterans. Based on this information , I would suggest that every veteran that was in Vietnam have an attorney do a vast request for all personal records that the government may have on them.
Utilizing psychological and electronic warfare against our own citizens was frequently addressed to our congress through this period to solicit funding for this socialist agenda and was always overwhelming approved. Although their was many examples , this quote certainly shows what their political agenda was and what it remains today ! --

Quote -
{ Dr. Jose Delgado was hired by the CIA to do experimentation with miniaturized electronic implants. In a speech recorded in the February 24, 1974 edition of the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD No. 26, Vol. 118, Dr. Delgado had this to say: "We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society.

The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. "The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. "Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Someday, armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain". }

-- On close I'd like to say that Secret Societies and Governments that hate their own Veterans should be forced to fight their own wars and defend their own fortunes because it wouldn't last long with out the protection our veterans provide for this country !

Also for those who think this is some kind of conspiracy theory should get a copy of the Warner Edition of " All The Presidents Men". I don't think Mark Felt and other high ranking officials made the fact up that a System To Delete The Need For War and a Black Operational Government was incorporated into our government !

I mean give me a break ! Where suppose to believe people who have sex in parks , people who advocate to have sex with children and all kinds of other perverts and drug users are normal and that are veterans are so weird they can't get or hold a job ! BULLSHIT ! The U.S. government is full of crap !


Soltz is using his troops to further his own political career. He doesn't give a rats behind about his own troops in his own Army Reserve unit. He's probably the worst Commander and leader that ever his that unit. He screams, yells, slams his fists and stomps his feet, like a child. His troops can't wait for him to end his tenure as Commander, they HATE him. He's only in the Army Reserve to exploit it, he's like a virus. He's allowed to slam the President, the Pentagon and the US Army as long as he's not in uniform. When he's in uniform he's a tyrant to his troops. It makes me sick to my stomach that he's allowed to wear the same uniform as me, and I'm an Iraqi War Vet too and I DO NOT AGREE at all with his stupid view point.


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