Wanted: Ron Paul vs. Mike Huckabee rematch: The Swamp
 
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Posted September 6, 2007 9:36 AM
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Rep. Ron Paaul and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. AP photo by Jim Cole.

by Frank James

For anyone who wants a good recap of last night's Republican presidential debate from Durham, N.H., Fox News Channel has a very good summary on its web site with some Fred Thompson coverage thrown in.

Many were calling Sen. John McCain the debate's winner. It wasn't the first time he's been declared the winner of a debate. It hasn't helped him improve his standing in the past and it probably won't this time either.

The debate's highlight was didn't even feature McCain prominently. Instead, it was when Rep. Ron Paul and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee commenced to waling on each over the Iraq War.

The shots the men threw at each other were so hard and riveting that at one point they seemed the only two candidates on the stage, an illusion that was furthered by a camera angle that captured the both of them in the heated moment.

The fireworks were set off by Chris Wallace, who asked the isolationist Paul a question that led to Paul delivering an answer that sounded to many in the Republican audience as though he were blaming the U.S. for the 9/11 attacks, a position anathema to many Americans, even beyond the Republican base.

MR. WALLACE: Congressman Paul -- (interrupted by cheers, applause) -- Congressman Paul, your position on the war is pretty simple: Get out. What about, though, trying to minimize the bloodbath that would certainly occur if we pull out in a hurry? What about protecting the thousands of Iraqis who have staked their lives in backing the U.S.? And would you leave troops in the region to take out any al Qaeda camps that are developed after we leave?

REP. PAUL: The people who say there will be a bloodbath are the ones who said it would be a cakewalk, it would be slam dunk, and that it would be paid for by oil. Why believe them? They've been wrong on everything they've said. Why not ask the people -- (interrupted by cheers) -- why not ask the people who advise not to go into the region and into the war? The war has not gone well one bit.

Yes, I would leave, I would leave completely. Why leave the troops in the region? The fact that we had troops in Saudi Arabia was one of the three reasons given for the attack on 9/11. So why leave them in the region? They don't want our troops on the Arabian Peninsula. We have no need for our national security to have troops on the Arabian Peninsula, and going into Iraq and Afghanistan and threatening Iran is the worst thing we can do for our national security.

I am less safe, the American people are less safe for this. It's the policy that is wrong. Tactical movements and shifting troops around and taking in 30 more and reducing by five, totally irrelevant. We need a new foreign policy that said we ought to mind our own business, bring our troops home, defend this country, defend -- (bell sounds) -- our borders --

MR. WALLACE: So if --

(Interrupted by cheers, applause.)

MR. WALLACE: So, Congressman Paul, and I'd like you to take 30 seconds to answer this, you're basically saying that we should take our marching orders from al Qaeda? If they want us off the Arabian Peninsula, we should leave? (Laughter.)

REP. PAUL: No! (Cheers, applause.) I'm saying -- (laughter) -- I'm saying we should take our marching orders from our Constitution. We should not go to war -- (cheers, applause) -- we should not go to war without a declaration. We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war. This is an aggressive invasion. We've committed the invasion of this war, and it's illegal under international law. That's where I take my marching orders, not from any enemy. (Cheers, boos.)

After a couple of other candidates had a crack at the question, Wallace let Huckabee get a little action.

MR. WALLACE: Governor Huckabee, the latest National Intelligence Estimate, which is out recently, says that even if we continue the troop surge -- and we're going to put it up on the screen -- Iraq's security will continue to improve modestly during the next six to 12 months, but levels of insurgent and sectarian violence will remain high, and the Iraqi government will continue to struggle to achieve national-level political reconciliation and improved governance.

Governor, if that's the best we can hope for, should we continue the surge?

MR. HUCKABEE: We have to continue the surge. And let me explain why, Chris. When I was a little kid, if I went into a store with my mother, she had a simple rule for me. If I picked something off the shelf of the store and I broke it, I bought it.

I learned don't pick something off the shelf I can't afford to buy.

Well, what we did in Iraq, we essentially broke it. It's our responsibility to do the best we can to try to fix it before we just turn away because something is at stake. Senator McCain made a great point, and let me make this clear. If there's anybody on this stage that understands the word honor, I've got to say Senator McCain understands that word -- (applause, cheers) -- because he has given his country a sacrifice the rest of us don't even comprehend. (Continued applause.)

Wait a minute, isn't this the famous Colin Powell Pottery Barn rule? Are we supposed to now call it the Mama Huckabee rule? Anyway, Huckabee continued...

And on this issue, when he says we can't leave until we've left with honor, I 100 percent agree with him because, Congressman, whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is a discussion that historians can have, but we're there. We bought it because we broke it. We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country and to the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and ever served in our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor that they deserve. (Cheers, applause.)

MR. HUME: Go ahead. You wanted to respond? He just addressed you; you go ahead and respond. (Continued applause.)

REP. PAUL: The American people didn't go in. A few people advising this administration, a small number of people called the neoconservative hijacked our foreign policy. They're responsible, not the American people. They're not responsible. We shouldn't punish them. (Cheers, applause.)

MR. HUCKABEE: Congressman, we are one nation. We can't be divided. We have to be one nation under God. That means if we make a mistake, we make it as a single country, the United States of America, not the divided states of America. (Cheers.)

REP. PAUL: No. When we make a mistake -- (interrupted by applause) -- when we make a mistake, it is the obligation of the people through their representatives to correct the mistake, not to continue the mistake! (Cheers, applause.)

MR. HUCKABEE: And that's what we do on the floor of the --

REP. PAUL: No! We've dug a hole for ourselves and we dug a hole for our party!

We're losing elections and we're going down next year if we don't change it, and it has all to do with foreign policy, and we have to wake up to this fact.

MR. HUCKABEE: Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor, and that is more important to the Republican Party.

REP. PAUL: We're losing -- we've lost over -- (cheers, applause) -- we have lost -- we have lost 5,000 Americans killed in -- we've lost over 5,000 Americans over there in Afghanistan and Iraq and plus the civilians killed. How many more do you want to lose? How long are we going to be there? How long -- what do we have to pay to save face? That's all we're doing is saving face. It's time we came home!

MR. HUME: Okay, gentlemen. Gentlemen, thank you. (Cheers, applause.)

Britt Hume could have just as easily said "Gentleman, back to your corners" and it would have seemed equally as appropriate.

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Comments

At least they are having a substantive debate. Good for them. I like Ron Paul and Huckabee, but I think Ron Paul took that match.


Well, a debate at last, I am all for it. Fox News is pathetic though and should not be allowed to sponsor any debates. Rudy says on FOX Paul should debate Gravel, I wanna see a Rudy/Paul debate where constitutionally opposed positions are aired, of course Rudy would run far and fast.


It was a great exchange and stated both sides of the argument clearly. I still have to wonder why Republicans are offering Woodrow Wilson's nation building doctrine as their own. This is a traditional Democrat philosophy. I have to say the Ron Paul best fits a conservative view of this war.


Why is Ron Paul a Republican? He actually makes sense!!!!


Please rephrase your itemizing of Ron Paul as an "isolationist". He's not an isolationist at all, in fact he believes thoroughly in interacting with other nations and trading with them peacefully.

If the opposite of your sense of isolationism is nation-building then the United States is in very big trouble.


Ron Paul is far more intelligent than Rudy Giuliani and would run circles around him. I would love to see a debate between those two.


Correction:

Ron Paul isn't an isolationist. He believes in free trade more then any other candidate.


I agree. Ron Paul took the match up. 75% of America wants us to get out of Iraq. Do they not have honor? Honor was used to spin doctor the mistake that was made by going in.

For god's sake, realize what a mistake we have made by deploying troops to every country in the world. They don't want us.
If we had troops from Mexico all over our country, I would expect our people to carry out car bombings against Mexico. It is impossible to see past the vail of BS the President has put up.
Wake up!!!


Yes, Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee are fighters, both with very good positions from their respective perceptions.

Amazingly, Ron Paul seems to be emerging with the most logical anti-war arguments. Check out this article:
http://spirituallibertarian.blogspot.com/2007/09/ron-paul-most-popular-peace-candidate.html


"The fireworks were set off by Chris Wallace, who asked the isolationist Paul a question that led to Paul delivering an answer that sounded to many in the Republican audience as though he were blaming the U.S. for the 9/11 attacks, a position anathema to many Americans, even beyond the Republican base."

First, non-interventionism is NOT isolationism. Second, where is the part that sounds like Ron Paul "blamed the U.S. for the 9/11 attacks". I don't see that anywhere in Dr. Pauls response. He clearly puts the blame squarly on the shoulders of the neoconservatives and NOT the American people. Guess what, so do the American people!

It this what constitutes journalism nowadays?


Great transcript. My heart's with Ron too, but I know people feel differently. It's wonderful to see an actual debate - you can't have democracy without it.


Huckabee seems well-meaning enough, and he held his own in this match, but Ron Paul won. I also don't like Huckabee's tax record in Arkansas, and his implications that if you support upholding the laws on illegal immigration, you are somehow a "racist." He falls right in line with the Democrat party on that. Also, Dr. Paul seems to have a much better understanding of the separation of church and state and the ideas the United States was founded on. Ron Paul also has considerable knowledge in economics and has been called "The Taxpayers' Best Friend" for many years. Ron Paul was one of only 4 congressman to support Ronald Reagan for president in 1976, as opposed to the affable but centrist Gerald Ford. We're ready for another Ron in the White House. Real conservatives, let's do this thing and put the republica back in Republican. Vote for Ron Paul in the primary.


Honor like pride is only there for those who know how and when to grasp it. We have made mistakes lets grasp at the honor we have left and correct the wrongs vr. dying on the cross of pride it's just window dressing for saving face with the world and that isn't good for America's image. Dr Paul is Right.


Mike Huckabee totally Owned ron paul


I think the title of this article is at best uninformed, and at worst pejorative. Ron Paul is not an isolationist. North Korea is an isolationist country. The distinction between an isolationist and a non-interventionist needs to be made here. Being a non-interventionist means you respect the sovereignty of other nations by not "intervening" in their private affairs. We expect this from any other nation in the world when it comes to our nation, and we should respond in kind to the rest of the world. A non-interventionist nation can participate in free trade, diplomacy, and be very active on the international stage. Please in the future keep this distinction in mind.


Ron Paul was the only one who told it like it is, we are not winning, Sadam is dead, NO WMD, no nuclear bombs, what you have is a country figting what they see as an invasion, hell if we get invaded by china rusia or korea, i will fight too, then I am a terrorits according to the chinese.


Finally a debate instead of sound bites. Hmmm...The Constitution. The Law of The Land. Ron Paul's entire political history is based on doing things in accordance with what and how that enlightened document says things should be done. I only hope and pray that this country will wake up and return to our roots before it is too late. We have allowed the USA to become an imperialist military aggressor and it's about to get worse as we will soon attack Iran. Wake up people.


I thought Ron Paul was the winner, hands down! I am so disappointed in our Propaganda Media not giving Ron Paul his due credit. Everyone I talk to in Florida is very receptive to Ron Paul. Why isn't the media? Propaganda, agenda, that's why. VOTE VOTE VOTE!


Ron Paul is not an isolationist. Isolationists believe that we should insulate ourselves from the world, and sustain the economy merely by our own means of production.

Ron Paul is a non-interventionist free trader. Remember that gentleman, Thomas Jefferson? He advised us that we should conduct commerce with all, and create alliances with none.

It seems given the current state of my party, and the world opinion of the United States, we should heed Jefferson's and Ron Paul's advice.


I have to say it goes to Paul for oration, but Huckabee to content. Anyone who thinks long and hard would realize that pulling out unequivocally means genocide, the resurfacing of underground jihadists, decimation of the police we've been training over there. What would be left of our foreign relations then, and how many new terrorists would that action create?


Yes, I know it has been said, but for a respectable journalist to mix up isolationism with non-interventionalism is disgusting. Every time i see another blatant smear of Ron Paul i am going to donate another $25 to his campaign.


"We should not go to war without a declaration" RONPAUL2008.com


This debate clinched it for me, I'm supporting Ron Paul from now on.


Are you kidding me BSun???!!??? You said in your article, and I quote "The fireworks were set off by Chris Wallace, who asked the isolationist Paul a question that led to Paul delivering an answer that sounded to many in the Republican audience as though he were blaming the U.S. for the 9/11 attacks..." WHAT DEBATE WERE YOU WATCHING... HMMM DIDN'T THAT HAPPEN IN THE LAST DEBATE AGAINST GULIANI!!!! Get your facts right... when did he EVER say the U.S. is to blame for the 9/11 attacks...???!!! That is such propaganda garbage. How about writing a balanced article.

BSun... you've been EXPOSED!


I am old enough to remember viet nam, and Nixon's "Peace with Honor" speeches. It probably cost us 10,000 lives, and made no change in the outcome, and we ended up without honor.

What ever happened to the idea of not spending "good money after Bad ? "


Second, where is the part that sounds like Ron Paul "blamed the U.S. for the 9/11 attacks". I don't see that anywhere in Dr. Pauls response.
Posted by: Jack | September 6, 2007 10:32 AM

Umm, that would come right here, Jack:

REP. PAUL: The fact that we had troops in Saudi Arabia was one of the three reasons given for the attack on 9/11.

He clearly states that he believes al Qaeda when they said that our presence on the Arabian peninsula provoked the 9/11 attacks. So, therefore, Rep. Paul blames the decision to station troops in the Persian Gulf region as a contributing factor for 9/11. If he did not believe this, why does he believe we should pull all troops from Saudi Arabia? I am not saying he is totally wrong. I am saying that you need to read transcripts more closely before making comments like the one above.


The most important reason to vote for Ron Paul is that he is the one candidate who understands the need to eliminate the Federal Reserve. The neo-conservatives are merely the puppets getting us into confrontations around the world - the puppetmasters are the international bankers hidden behind the scenes.

View "Money Masters" on google.com and decide for yourselves.


Rematches are more desired when the match is close. But, Ron Paul won the polls (again) in a landslide.


I watched the debate for about 45 minutes and then turned it off in disgust. After asking Ron Paul one question at the beginning of the debate, virtually all of the questions went to the favorites of Fox News. Gulliani, Romney, McCain and Huckabee were asked three or four questions each for about 30 minutes when they got around to asking Dr. Paul another question. He would do well to request that he be addressed as Doctor rather than Congressman. Doctor has some prestige about it. Congressman has very little. Chris Wallace's voice reeked of his distate for Dr. Paul's position against the Iraq War. Dr. Paul showed some disgust at the proceedings when he answered the question. He should have invited Brownback, Hunter, and (Tommy) Thompson to join him in walking out and made a statement as to how agenda driven and adversarial Fox News is toward his position. He would have won the debate, hands down, if he had. The next time I hear a Fox News newscaster use the term "Fair and Balanced" I may throw up!


I would really, really, *REALLY* like to see a Ron Paul / Mike Huckabee one-on-one debate on this issue.

Attenion old media - here's your chance to make some advertising bucks off of the Ron Paul popularity surge.

I (Ron Paul supporter that I am) think Ron Paul won the intellectual points, but Huckabee won the emotional points. I don't agree with Huck's view, but many in the neocon GOP will lap that up like butter and brown sugar.


Mike Huckabee embarrassed Ron paul and his army of spammers and lunatics cant handle it hahaha

www.mikehuckabee.com

Mike Huckabe 4 President 2008!!


I like Huckabee but he's no Ron Paul!
Ron Paul owned that debate and the text poll results are proof!


Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he is an anti-interventionist!


Your distortions are only going to fool people who did not bother to watch those debate. Those people will not bother to read about the debate the next day either. Ron Paul is not an isolationist nor does he blame America for 911. Do you work for Faux News or something? I think next time Huckleberry will thing twice before calling Dr. Paul out for a one on one.


Ufcama, your comments are typical of those on the Left. You are wrong to assert that the Iraqi people are fighting American troops, they are not. In fact, the Iraqi people are largely cooperating with the American troops. Also, in Anbar province, where there HAD BEEN much trouble with so-called insurgents, part of the recent success there are the Sunnis outing the so-called insurgents and Al Qaeda terrorists to the U.S.

Regarding Ron Paul, not he is not an isolationist in the true sense, but in many respects he is. He wants us out of anywhere in the world. That is just not practical or feasible. Another poster also blamed the "neo-cons" for Sept. 11. How exactly is that correct? And, if that is the belief, then does that make Bill Clinton a "neo-con" too since we were in Saudi Arabia the entire length of time in the 1990s?

Ron Paul was wrong on several fronts in my opinion, or took points of view and took them to an extreme.

Also, another asked why Ron Paul is a Republican. Mr. Paul has been a Republican and a member of the Libertarian Party before rejoining the Republican party again. Libertarians are for very little government, with some advocating doing away with the FBI, CIA and a while bunch of programs and departments near and dear to the liberal Democrats.
While Mr. Paul is not an isolationist in that he is for free trade, he is an isolationist in that he believes our participation in the rest of the world should be very minimal. While that may be great on paper, it is not practical in the world that we live.


It's plain as day;

Pauly = Thoughtful, insightful

I ♆ Huckabee = Simplistic 'base boy'

Of course our troops staying in Saudi contributed to the motives of OsB's reasons for attacking us.

But Paul is doomed. He has dared to shout out the truth in America.


Mr. Huckabee insulted those who have served with honor in Iraq, by implying that they will lose their honor if we continue to do the dishonorable thing as a nation by refusing to admit that we made a huge mistake in starting this war. The character of a soldier's service on an individual level is not affected by the rightness or wrongness of the war he has been called to participate in. The honor of those who served is solely a matter of how they acted from moment to moment at the time of their involvement, and cannot be diminished by any considerations of what course things might take at a later time.

If there is a realization that it was unwise to try and take a particular enemy position, and the effort to do so is abandoned, that does not diminish the sacrifices made by those who may have been injured or killed in that action. High level command decisions like this have to be made all the time, up to and including the kind of decision Reagan made to retreat from Lebanon. In fact, it takes a lot more courage to admit having made such a big mistake, and stop compounding your losses, than it does to continue blindly on just so you don't have to face the charges of "cowardice", "cutting and running", ad nauseam from jingoists like Huckabee.


Ron Paul continues to make fans and speak truth to the masses. All of us who have been disillusioned with politics as usual have found a voice of reason and clarity. It is amazing to see his campaign grow from the ground up. America needs a Ron Paul Revolution.

-B.A. Political Science - International Relations, UCSB


Correction on article: Many were NOT calling McCain the winner. This is false as after debate voting by Fox News confirmed that most of those watching said Ron Paul was the winner.


Kudos to you for recognizing how much impact Ron Paul has on this election. In a time when people complain of crooked politicians, here is one who is principaled, articulate, passionate, and makes sense.


I'm completely amazed that anyone is taking Ron Paul seriously. You could hear the snickers of the other candidates anytime he opened his mouth. He's an embarrasment and should not be on the same stage as the other candiates.


"Rep. Paul blames the decision to station troops in the Persian Gulf region as a contributing factor for 9/11."

He states that because that was one of the reasons given by bin Laden. Quoting bin Laden doesn't mean Ron Paul is blaming the US.

Ron Paul is stating the fact that our foreign policy led to the 911 attacks. Denying the facts and continuing the mistakes will cause more 911 type attacks.

Ignoring the reason bin Laden gave for 911 means the other candidates are not qualified to be president. Facts are facts.

Don't blame the messenger because you don't like the truth.


Ron Paul an "isolationist"? Ha...political hackery.


Ron Paul won this one with his facts, brains, and his trustworthiness.....Huckabee "seemed" very sincere in throwing the word "honor" around. Shakespeare once said, "words, words, words!" The word honor means the evaluation of a persons TRUSTWORTHINESS, and FAIRNESS. Where is the HONOR for the American men and women soldiers, and the majority of the American people who really see that this is an unjust war, and want out? Ron Paul has TRUE HONOR for the American people!


I see that most of Ron Paul's 50 supporters have computers and are once again spamming this comments section.

He has every right to run and I hope he does. And after he gets his 1% of the vote, he will return to TX.


Well, MD, I have to agree. Ron Paul, the one lone principled contender, does not really seem to belong on the same stage with a bunch of jingoistic vote-whores. And if he embarrasses you, then well you should be embarrassed, considering the company you prefer to keep.


For me the most telling moment of the evening was when boos could be heard directed at Dr. Paul after stating the following:"No, I am saying we should take our marching orders from the Constitution."

The fact that Americans would boo the man after making this wonderful response to a very loaded and inflamatory question is very disturbing to me. Americans seem to be in need of a few lessons on Constitutional liberty and I see no one more qualified for this task than the good Dr.


Ron stated facts, Huckabee cited his mother.


Richard Brodie,

Good comment. "Jingoistic vote-whores". I'm gonna remember that one. We are seeing alot of that.


I prefer humility over grandstanding, right over wrong, Paul over Huckabee. May true patriots stand-up for what is right, which at times means admitting wrong and stepping aside. May God bless Ron Paul, America, and the world our power-play policies have damaged.


The brainwashed corporate robot brained warlovers vs The free thinking independent minded humanistic peace lovers. This is fun. Go Dr. Paul


I (a Ron Paul Supporter) agree with ron, (duh), but, it is possible, I've found, for two opposing points of view to be correct; Ron Paul is right in the fact that we should never have gone into Iraq or Saudi Arabia. Mike Huckabee is right (I beleive) that even though we shouldn't have gone in in the first place, we're there now, and simply leaving would kinda screw things up a little; we did break it, and even though I agree with Ron Paul's Non-Interventionalist foriegn policy, I'm starting to agree that leaving prematurely would inadvertantly hurt a whole bunch of Iraqi's that essentially bet their lives to support our presence there. What to do? I'll still vote for Ron because Romney's a flip-flopper, Guliani repulses me, and McCain, well, I could have a beer with McCain, I just can't vote for him.


For the last time... Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist! He is a NON-INTERVENTIONIST!

There is a BIIIIIIIIIG difference. One wants shut borders and high tariffs or no trade and total self-sufficiency...the latter wants free, non-tariff trade and a defensive military that does not INTERVENE in the sovereign activities of other nations.

It's gotten to the point where I can almost point out the Ron Paul haters or at least those who are still ignorant to what he really stands for by their insistence on the misapplication of the term "isolationist". Get it right next time.


Ron Paul kicked butt, I'll bet the Nascar Party won't even let him speak at their convention in Minneapolis because the truth scares the Wingnuts.


Furthermore, why are you including the "applause and cheers" indicators in your transcript for Huckabee, but only do the same for Paul when his responses included both "cheers and boos"?

He got a pretty loud cheer after his final remark and was clearly the man who had done so by not reverting to rhetorical tactics and pseudo-patriotic grandstanding about vague concepts of "honor" in the face of massive wrong.

I encourage people to watch the debate for themselves to see what really happened. At this point, you can find it on YouTube or elsewhere.


For me the most telling moment of the evening was when boos could be heard directed at Dr. Paul after stating the following:"No, I am saying we should take our marching orders from the Constitution."

- Absolutely sickening how constitutionally illiterate the American people are. They can't tell u a thing about the bill of rights but they sure as hell have an opinion on invading a country like Iraq, which they probably couldn't even locate on a map. We're dealing with pure ignorance of what America is really about. Most people believe America is a "democracy" for goodness sake. (shakin' my head)


Maybe Ron Paul should debate the field. Naw, that still wouldn't be fair, what with his Constitutional logic. I can't wait for him to tie into Crown Princess Hillary. She will be dead meat.


John D, you speak of "Iraqi's" as though they were a monolithic block of people with one mind and one interest in the outcome, there is a broad diversity of cultural and political factions, basically segmented into Sunni (the minority once represented by Sadaam Hussein), the Shia (the once repressed majority) and the Kurds (who are happily running what amounts to their own country in the north). The Sunni's and Shitte's are going to be at each others throats for generations, just as they have been for fourteen hundred years. This generic label of Al Queda is just that, a label intended to homogenize any kind of radicalized Islamic violence in the minds of the American people to associate this struggle with the 9/11 attacks and it's complete hogwash. We are mediating a civil war here and there's no use in pouring anymore lives or dollars into it.


Every chance Ron Paul has to set the Iraq debate in the larger context of overall foreign policy he will suffocate his opponent. None of them can breath the air at that altitude.
Re: Huckabee vs Paul - this should be organized by the respective campaign staffs with distribution by Youtube. MSM and 20th century foreign policy get to share a chapter in the history books.


REP. PAUL: The people who say there will be a bloodbath are the ones who said it would be a cakewalk, it would be slam dunk, and that it would be paid for by oil. Why believe them? They've been wrong on everything they've said.

The truth hurts doesn't it John D and Bruce. Then again you guys are so brainwashed that no amount of reason can penetrate the Kool-Aid induced haze that blinds you. Ron Paul makes a great deal of sense which is why republicans won't vote for him. What a shame. Republicans reclaim your party. Don't let neo-con swindlers hijack conservatism and it's principles. John D your heros have failed you and brought shame upon the United States of America!!!


FOX News made another concerted effort to discredit and embarass Ron Paul. He handled himself pretty well in spite of this.

Of course, to anyone that has studied history, it is obvious that Paul is correct and the rest of the Republican contenders are rabid militarists.

After seeing last night's debate, I immediately donated to Paul's campaign. The Republican party and this country need Ron Paul to win the nomination.


"take our marching orders from the Constitution." was for sure one of the best lines of the night.


Huckabee responded to Ron Paul's tunnel-vision kindly and admirably.


Ron Paul won the debate hands down, just like previous debates. He's the voice of reason among the Republican candidates and he has a groundswell of support from the people.

I really wish the media would give him more even-handed coverage and stop downplaying his popularity with the people!


Ron Paul is great for keeping the other Republicans on their toes. Thanks to his remarkably sensible (and controversial) views, the Republican debates are worth watching. Without him, I wouldn't bother.


I think Huckabee is our best response to what the Democrats have to offer AND I think Huckabee represents best what Republicans want to offer AND what the American people want offered.

Huckabee's tax record in Arkansas is really the only weak point, and criticism of his record here is only successful on the surface. Many of the tax increases in Arkansas were either due to court orders (mandatory increase in educational spending in a state with very limited resources to begin with) and one in particular was supported by 85% of Arkansas' voters AT THE POLLS.

Huckabee is very conservative on social issues. That's the main place I want a rightwinger. Everywhere else, Huckabee is "moderate" in philosophy which simply means he's open-minded enough to do what works rather than stick to a party's age old line on something that maintains the status quo.

R. Paul was so adamant about our representative government correcting mistakes of the executive branch, but really this is what Huckabee would allow to happen. As a moderate, Huckabee has to believe strongly in representative government, because the people's voice is a big factor of input into a moderate's decision making (unless you want a lazy moderate who ends up not really accomplishing anything). The point Huckabee was making in the debate was that as a leader, he understands "the buck stops here." With respect to that authority, he would take great care to avoid mistakes. However as Ryan Cowles, points out Huckabee also understands that there are consequences of leaving a mistake "unfixed" if we pretend it didn't happen, and simply walking out of the store than there will be if we stay in the store and fix it as good as we can before we tell the owner of the store. "Hey, I'm about to leave. You take care of the rest."


That was quite a dust-up between Paul and Huckabee, and I believe it made both of them stronger. Both showed some passion for their positions and neither sounded "fake" or "canned" at all.
I'd really like to see a "cage match" debate between Guliani and Paul with no moderation, just let them go head-to-head and argue their positions before the people. Then we will see who comes out on top of a good old fashioned bare-knuckles debate.


I consider myself a hard left democrat... but when Ron Paul told the truth.... that a small group of fascist "NeoCons" had hijacked the Republican Party and THEY and their narcissistic greed and hubris were responsible for the invasion, deaths, mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocents.... I thought, Finally, a true, honest genuine conservative....


The response of FOX news to Paul reveals (again) they are a NeoCon propaganda machine... not a news organization


But the stock market is booming--if you have enough tax cuts to afford to invest... and are invested in defense contractors....
It's not about "national unity; or that there is even a hope of leaving with honor after making a horrific sociopathic level of mistake --it's about looting the country, and eroding the constitution at home....


Mussolini defined Fascism as the use of the military power of the state for the benefit of private corporations.... Ron Paul was the only non-fascist on that stage.


Since when has the Constitution taken a back seat to running this country?

Ron Paul makes perfect sense.

How can you have a war on terror with no limits without a decleration of War from Congress?

The People fighting swear to protect the Constitution
from all threats as do our representatives.

So why are they abandoning it?

If they like this war so much let them go over and fight it for what honor they feel they need to preserve--not our young kids following orders.

Like Viet Nam this war is about MONEY--Not honor--and not America security.

Security is when you have control of your own boarders--not other countries boarders!

Conspiracy seems to flow from the Presidents mouth at every opertunity--and goes against the facts.

While we fight all over the world--little attention is being given the takeover of our country through Agreements behind closed doors. NAFTA, and the SSP to turn us into another part of the World Order without a vote.

DR. Paul is the only candidate to offer a true resolution to this. Without
the ability to make money out of thin air through the Federal Reserve they would not have power over our government.


The Ron Paul Revolution has just begun. Let's take our country back!!!

P.S. Deport hillbilly Huckabee back to Arkansas or wherever he's from.


Only in the GOP can you be free to be you. Ron Paul is a libertarian whack job but, he could freely say he wanted out of Iraq.
When the Democrats have a debate they are controlled by leftist kooks like MoveOn.org, People for the American Way, George Soros etc.The Democrat Party owns defeat in Iraq they pretend to support the troops but, that's just rhetoric. When they debate on CNN, the Clinton News Network,they must say defeat in Iraq cut and run.
Republicans don't play stupid games and we debate everywhere the Dems hide their true feelings with political correctness. Jerry White, Springfield, IL


John Galt:
I too am old enough to remember "Peace with Honor". To my fourteen-year-old ears, that sounded so noble. Now, it just sounds sad and pathetic. Someone has said, "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it". Have we learned nothing from our Vietnam experience?


Ron Paul absolutely speaks the truth, and he has the facts.

If I were to have a problem with a my neighbor and ask him to keep his dog out of my yard. After numerous attempts to have him get his dog out of my yard, I might have to resort to kicking his dog physically out of my yard. How ignorant would he be to say "I don't think he's upset with me over the dog...it's just he's jealous of my BMW and success".

That is essentially what the field is saying. Ron Paul is saying...they say they are mad at us because we have our police force all over the world, and in particular in Saudi Arabia.

Why would we not listen to the list that our enemy compiles.

By the way, we are dealing with terrorists that we used to fund and train ourselves....something else that Ron Paul and the constitution are staunchly against.

Go Ron.....save us from those who would further expand our troops around the world, while we claim we can't secure our own border.


Your reporting stinks. Ron Paul is not isolationist. Ron Paul is for "commerce with all nations, alliance with none". Shame on you for not even understanding Ron Paul's foreign policy but reporting on it.


As a life long Democrat who supports Ron Paul for his positions on the war, taxes, Federal Reserve, and avoidance of meddling overseas, he won the exchange with the so called reporter and with his opponent Mr. Huckabee.
When politicians talk of honor, I am reminded of Mark Antony's speech, "...So are they all honorable men..."
Bipartisanship may be the worst thing that ever happened in foreign policy. As mistakes can never be rectified or stopped.


Go Ron Paul. Why is it so hard for the Pro-War candidates to grasp that the U.S. has lost and can never win the Iraq war? Isn't it interesting that Ron Paul has received the most donations of any of the candidates from active service men and women. They clearly want to come home too!!!


Bruce posted that Ron Paul has only 50 spammers supporting him.

hmmmm.

Bruce if 75% of Americans want us out of Iraq that would go to logic that 55-60% are Republicans. The math doesn't work any other way.

Who is that 55-60%'s voice on the Republican ticket?

The rigged polls and the MSM want status quo. America kicked the Republicans out of the majority in 2006 because of Iraq. The Democrats have not supported that mandate.

The truth is Dr. Paul has a lot more support than you give him credit for.


Those who imagine in their terrified isolationism that the overwhelming support for Ron Paul unseen by the pollsters is simply a few hackers in their basement are destined to lose all credibility. The day is quickly approaching when much of the media will discover it sold its credibility for a few more ad dollars supporting a criminal elite who launched an illegal invasion.

Ron Paul rEVOLution


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

words such as bloodbath are tossed around by folks who know not what 650,000+ deaths feels like in the context of their own culture, community, and lives. stop pretending to speak for sovereignty and actually act upon it.


I thought that Huckabee scored high points with conservatives by both reminding us of McCain's service and then systematically dismantling Ron Paul's narrow view of the constitution.

This was not Huckabee's best debate showing, but it certainly set a whole new low for Ron Paul.


I am a lifelong Republican who voted for Bush for Texas governor and in 2000 for president. I voted against him in 2004 and will likely never vote Republican again if Ron Paul does not get the nomination in 2008. The snickers from the other candidates while Dr. Paul was discussing serious issues like war, torture, civil liberties, habeas corpus, and shrinking a bloated and nearly bankrupt government show me that none of them belong to the Republican party I always thought I was voting for. Also, in a sense I agree with Huckabee's talk about honor, but he needs to realize that the neocons already lost America's honor when they launched an unjust, illegal, and immoral invasion that had nothing to do with defending American freedoms.


Frank James:
You're misinformed, illiterate, unfit to do any journalist work and a puppet. Just get out and get another job. Shame on you!


He's definitely not an isolationist


GO Ron Paul Go 2008


Ron Paul believes that Muslim terrorists should dictate US foreign policy. Most Americans think otherwise.

Paul cited the US's stationing troops in Saudi Arabia as something he wouldn't have done, for fear of inciting the terrorists. Most Americans think the elected government of the US should decide where our troops are stationed.

The Muslim mobs that stage a rent-a-riot every time somebody publishes an internet cartoon they don't like, the fatwa-issuing clerics and their murderous disciples who've forced authors into hiding, are the enemies of freedom. They can be ignored, resisted, or surrendered to. Ron Paul prefers the latter. Most sensible people don't.


Ron Paul was the only one digging into the issues. Huckibee had to come up with some totally unrelated analogy about his mother to even have something to say.

Ron Paul speaks the truth to those who attempted to steal and burn up someone else's honor as their shield.

Dr. Ron Paul by far makes the most sense.


Ron Paul is our only hope. His message is simple - follow the constitution and protect individual liberties. He slapped down Giuliani in another debate and last night it was Huckabee's turn. When will they learn? The Fox News poll results were clear - Ron Paul was the winner. People who are familiar with Ron Paul like him. There is a massive movement toward constitutional government and Ron Paul is awakening that movement right now. Join your local Meetup group and take some control of your life. Freedom is Popular!


"decimation of the police we've been training over there."

Just this morning I heard General Petraeus say on the radio that the entire police force in Iraq should be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up because it has been infiltrated by sectarian militias, so this argument falls flat. Our boys are fighting and dying to defend the borders of a nation arbitrarily carved onto the world map by Britain over 50 years ago. Why? This is hubris. And Huckabee's invocation of honor rings hollow. What about the "Lives, Fortunes and Sacred Honor" that the founders of this country risked in order to bring our nation into being? Are we going to throw away their sacrifice and principles, discard the Declaration of Independence and bury the Constitution, then cede our sovereignty to the U.N. and a North American Union for purposes of political expediency? Huckabee, if you pick our pockets and sacrifice our Constitution on the altar of an unjust foreign war, where's the "honor" in that? Is that "more important than the Republican Party"? The tunnel vision belongs to those mindlessly cheerleading for this war. We either live by Constitutional law or we are not a free people.


the real terrorists are in washington and tel aviv they have murdered over a million people in iraq wake up america


This YouTube clip says it all about Fox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUxQadgSkoA

Enjoy


Captain UnAmerica, no, 650,000 Iraqis have not been killed since we invaded that country. Earlier this year the UN claimed about 30,000 Iraqi were killed in 2006, which was stated to be the most in one year since 2003. So, if we go with the highest number of 30,000 and multiply it by 4 years, we come to 120,000. In reality, the actual number is more like 80,000.
Compare that to the apprcximate 1 million Saddam Hussein did kill in his country alone.


It's great to see that there is a Republican who still believes in the US Constitution and stands for something besides corruption and maximizing his campaign contributions.


Bruce you are dumb as dirt. Why are in the Saudi Arabia anyway. One word oil. Our US foreign policy has affect cause the death of many people. If our enemy told us the reason why they hate should we not listen and understand why?.


Dr. Ron Paul, Veitnam Vet,
(flight surgeon) consistant voting record, Christian, anti abortion, constitutionist, tells the truth, more freedom less goverment, gaurd our own borders, less taxes, right to bear arms, oh what a scary man !


"Most Americans think the elected government of the US should decide where our troops are stationed."

This might be the problem. Perhaps if Iraqis had a choice of whether our troops would be stationed there or not, there would be much less bloodshed.

Ron Paul might not have said it as well, but he was the only one making sense when you think about it.


We will lose to Hillary honorably!

Is this what passes for the Republican battle cry these days?


It's interesting that Sean Hannity kept saying the Paul supporters were resending text votes for the winner of the debate.... I tried to vote twice, and the system in place would not count my second vote! I got an email saying you can only vote once. It's despicable that the democrats and their media weapon (abc cbs msnbc) and the rest of their party embrace someone/something new (Barack Obama) while conservatives snuff their innovation out with the lies and corruption that we accuse the left of doing.


Bruce says: "The Muslim mobs can be ignored, resisted, or surrendered to. Ron Paul prefers the latter."

Hmmmm.... let's just check the facts.

The neo-cons say that we were attacked because of our freedom. They then go on an unConstitutional rampage and practically gut the Bill of Rights. They next refuse the Taliban's offer to turn over Osama to the world court for trial. (Remember that?) They then launch an undeclared war against Afghanistan while giving Osama time to escape to Pakistan. For a grand slam they next attack Iraq, fighting to overthrow the one country in the Middle East that Osama had declared top of his list to be overthrown because of its secular government.

All these statements are easily verufied. Google them now if you weren't paying attention then.

And you accuse Ron Paul of surrendering to terrorists?! Good God! This so-called War On Terror is now five years old and the neo-cons have not even gotten around to securing our borders!


Big FYI: Paul isn't an isolationist, as he wants to communicate and trade with every country in the world. His foreign policy stance is neutrality, which was advised very strongly by the writers of the Constitution.

In addition to Paul creaming Huckabee in that exchange, he later creamed Sean Hannity when discussing history, which Hannity apparently skipped in high school.

But the worst part was Fox News keeping Rudy's mic open when Paul spoke. Is Rudy in 9th grade? What a pathetic loser.


I see no honor in supporting a war which was sold to the american people as lies. Mike, Do you really know what honor is? Honor is supporting issues which are correct and the Iraq was began as a lie. The bible states lies are a foundation for sand.


Ron Paul won the debate and the exchange with Huckabee. Huckabee had nothing to offer but a lame analogy "break it you bought it" and pure pandering. Ron Paul's argument was, as usual, full of substance and good sense. Ron Paul also showed more guts than the rest of them put together, including John McCain.


JB, Wake up you idiot. Ron Paul did not blame the American people. He is putting the blame on the politicians in Washington who decided to mess around in the Middle East. NOT THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES! You need to read closer before you defecate out of your mouth!


Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist. Please look up isolationism in a dictionary. Dr. Paul is about as far away as you can get from being an isolationist.


Bruce, Please learn your history. You have been tricked into supporting an unjust war. You are filled with hatred and I think that if you took the time to do research about Americas actions around the world since the early 1950's you would realize why the Muslim world is so angry at us. Your ignorance causes people to die. I hope you wake up before it is too late and someone you love loses their life because of this.


Ron Paul easily won the debate. He is the only one who DEFENDS the Constitution and follows it!
What is wrong with the opposition?
They are all part of the Global Elite crowd that wants to end our borders, put a chip in all of us, and literally enslave the world.


Ron Paul, passionate though he may be, would have never won WWII or the cold war. He speaks of the death of 5,000 yet his "circle the wagons" idea of foriegn policy would have led to the erradication of Jews in Europe and a standing totalitarian state in Eastern Europe known as the USSR. Sometimes you need to go kick your enemies butt. How many terrorists have we elimanated on the battlefields we have opened? I would like to know that number.


It's funny how isolationism has been redefined to mean anyone not willing to invade countries they disagree with.


Democrats are big government, socially intrusive. Republicans are bigger government, more socially intrusive.

Ron Paul is the last republican I will be voting for. I do like him, but the others are slime.


Ron Paul is the only choice out there. A true champion of the constitution. Get your head out of the sand people.


Since the neocons seem so fixed on their war rhetoric, here are some words studied in Annapolis, West Point, the War College, etc from "Sun Tzu: The Art of War"...

"The military values victory, it does not value prolonging."

"One who does not thoroughly know the harm from employing the military cannot thoroughly know the advantage from employing the military."

"Invincibility is defense. Vincibility is attack. Defend and one has surplus. Attack and one is insufficient."

"There are roads one does not follow. There are armies one does not strike. There are cities one does not attack. There are grounds one does not contest. There are commands of the sovereign (president) one does not accept."

No small wonder why many generals have now parted ways with Bush since they have both studied and taught these strategems.


Ron Paul believes that Muslim terrorists should dictate US foreign policy. Most Americans think otherwise.

Posted by: Bruce | September 6, 2007 1:58 PM

Bruce you've lost it. Moron!!!


Intriguing that many on this page want a no-holds-barred debate between Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul. I think everyone agrees that the good doctor will wipe the floor with ol' Huck, but that remains to be seen, especially, as momentum changes, these two could be the last men standing. They were the only ones who argued their positions with passion. Dr. Paul simply had moral clarity to go along with it.


R. Paul was so adamant about our representative government correcting mistakes of the executive branch, but really this is what Huckabee would allow to happen.

You missed the point. Ron Paul was pointing out that The People are taking their responsibility seriously and have thrown out the Republicans who continue to follow failed foreign policy with more failed foreign policy.


The Republican party is doomed if they do not adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy and immediately end that farce in Iraq.


The People just gave the Democrats majorities. They're doing their part to correct mistakes.


Huckabees response was to tell everyone that he would rather destroy the Republican Party than lose "honor".


What he doesn't understand is that true honor means admitting your mistakes, repenting and disavowing bad behavior while reversing that behavior.



I think Ron Paul clearly won this debate. his ideas make sence. Why is Fox news so blatantly biased against him? I feel like I am in the twilight zone. They try to discredit him and make him look like a fringe lunatic at every chance they get. Well It's not working. The people are taking this country back.


The reality of what will happen in Iraq is that we will stay there, it will continue to be a bloodbath, and rather than Huckabee saying "omigod, Ron Paul was right, we should have gotten out", he'll use the further bloodshed as the reason for STAYING IN. It's almost like arguing that government should get bigger and bigger because, if it got smaller, too many people would lose their jobs! Insane. Ron Paul will not win this election, but when we finally throw in the towel, and we will years from now because there is no winning in Iraq, will we at least look back on old Dr. Paul and rue the day we didn't elect him?


Huckabee isn't dumb enough to take on Paul 1 on 1. All he had were the same bloated patriotic slogans.


For the record, we DID pull all our troops out of Saudi Arabia after 9/11.

Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he does not advocate isolating the U.S. from other nations. He believes in trading, allowing visitors, having embassies, etc. Hardly an isolationist view.

Ron Paul clearly won this debate, and he is clearly one of the leading candidates for President.


"...and then systematically dismantling Ron Paul's narrow view of the constitution..."
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Ummm, that is how the Constitution was meant to be read. A brief reading of James Madison (the Father of the Constitution) confirms this. It is to be read narrowly in order to restrain the Federal Govt. from doing what it has been doing since the days of Reconstruction.
And do not give me the line that that would be to inflexable. The founders provide a way to expand and alter the constitution if necessary...it is called an Amendment, with a 3/4 majority approval.


"We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country and to the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and ever served in our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor that they deserve."

Nobody can give another person honor. Honor is earned by the individual. I find it offensive that Mr. Huckabee believes he has the power to give or take any honor from the brave people serving in our military. Besides, the men and women serving have spoken with their wallets: They support Ron Paul.


"Ron Paul believes that Muslim terrorists should dictate US foreign policy. Most Americans think otherwise.

Paul cited the US's stationing troops in Saudi Arabia as something he wouldn't have done, for fear of inciting the terrorists. Most Americans think the elected government of the US should decide where our troops are stationed..."
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The first part of your comment above should not even have to be addressed IF ONE ACTUALLY WATCHED THE DEBATE. Dr. Paul believes the Constitution should dictate foreign policy, he stated this infatically (to which he actually recieved boos for this comment!).

As for your Saudi Arabia comment, this too is simply not true. He stated that this was "1 of 3 reasons" sighted AS A REASON FOR 9-11. I believe the 911 Commission Report agrees with this as well.

Finally, I would like for someone to show me where in the U.S.Constitution it states that the United States (federal govt.) is authorized to have permanet troops deployed in foreign nations in times of peace.


I realized how clueless Rudy Giuliani was when he used the phrase "Liberal Media". If the media was in fact Liberal, Ron Paul would be splashed all over the place.


Ron Paul speaks the truth, but some people can handle the truth... e.g Fox News
Help spread the good word on Ron Paul...


Huckabee started off strong- I think he threw Paul for a bit of a loop at first- but Paul rallied near the end and "won" the exchange. I applaud Huckabee for even thinking of a concept like "honor" in our cynical age, and he has a good speaking style, but if we take the exchange as a whole, I'm calling this one in favor of Paul, as regards both content and style.

Both Huckabee and Paul, I think, will do plenty of damage in a lot of states when the primary rolls around, even though neither one was the "anointed" candidate.


Ron Paul is ignorant of history, and he stands behind the constitution to top it all off. The president is called "Commander and Chief" for a reason. Anyone who knows anything about the Revolutionary War knows that General George Washington hated having to go through the Continental Congress to get approval for everything. That is why President Washington helped to shape the Presidency as an office that can go above the Congress(which plays politics) when it comes to National Security.

Besides, many top Democrats including Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Charles Schumer, Tom Daschle, and Dick Gephardt voted for H.J. Resolution 114 whick was:"A Joint Resolution to authorize the use of US Armed Forces against Iraq." So the "authorization" Paul talks about would have likely come anyway.

It wasn't just "Neo-conservatives" that led America to war, it was everyone in Washington that mattered. Mike Huckabee was right; we went to Iraq together, Dems and Republicans. Ron Paul is bashing his own party for political gain.


JB, Wake up you idiot...You need to read closer before you defecate out of your mouth!

Posted by: Mike | September 6, 2007 3:04 PM

"Defecate from the mouth." LOL. You Ron Paul supporters and your kneejerk campaigns to overwhelm message boards and use your clever language to persuade your opponents. You make me smile.
Oh, and since it's obvious you don't read carefully enough, Mike, no, I did not call you, Ron Paul or any of his supporters "jerks."


In response to: "I'm completely amazed that anyone is taking Ron Paul seriously. You could hear the snickers of the other candidates anytime he opened his mouth. He's an embarrasment and should not be on the same stage as the other candiates."

I'M completely amazed that anyone would be blind enough not to see that Paul is the ONLY candidate who isn't a Neo-Con shill. The only embarrassment is that he should have to stand on a stage with the flip-flopping, lying pieces of scum in the "top tier." OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE.


In response to: "

I see that most of Ron Paul's 50 supporters have computers and are once again spamming this comments section.

He has every right to run and I hope he does. And after he gets his 1% of the vote, he will return to TX."

Right. Just like we spammed the text vote last night. Ron WON the debate with 33% of the vote, with only ONE vote allowed per cell phone. Keep hiding your head in the sand. You won't stop the r3VOLution.


Why doesnt anyone, especially Ron Paul, mention the fact that he is getting more donations to his campaign from Military personnel, than ANY other candidate. This fact alone proves he is the true supporter of the troops and the troops support him! They want out! He really needs to point this out in the next debate, especially in front of McCain.


Paul is the ONLY candidate who isn't a Neo-Con shill.

Posted by: suepeace | September 6, 2007 5:34 PM

Amen sister! Two snaps for Ron Paul. snap, snap.


One more thing(I posted several posts up), the power to pull out of Iraq now lies with the Congress. Article 1, Section 8, states that congress shall have power,"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years." So for all you Ron Pauleans, get a copy of the Constitution; it has some good stuff in it.


A match between Ron Paul and Rudy G? Just thinking about it gives me chills. Ron Paul would rip Rudy's dress off and fling him and his dress clean out of the ring in one round. Rudy would be crying "911! 911! Terror! Terror! Mayor of New York! 911!" as he smashed to the ground.

God, I love the smell of smashed neocon in the morning!


Nice spin there, did you take that line strait out of Rudy's mouth? "Sounds like Paul's blaiming America for 911"
Well, uhm he already explained this the last time around, he isn't blaiming America (like a bad American) he's pointing out one of the very possible reasons for the 911 attacks which are backed by the CIA and Bin Laden's own claims by the way!
Quit trying to paint opinions, try reading up on your facts.

Learn more about this well respected and highly popular Candidate:

www.RONPAUL2008.com


im sad to say that after watching the debate im changing my vote from huckabee to Ron paul. huckabee should withdraw that comment... we should not let our soldiers continue to die because america cant lose honor... THATS ABSURD!


Nice try Huckleberry, but Ron Paul has studied the Constitution all his life. Too late for you to catch up now.

RONPAUL2008!!


As more and more "debates" conclude, you can almost smell the desperation of the seven soulless Republican candidates as they beg a tired nation to see the tiny particles of difference that separate them from one another. Their pleas are at once humerous and deeply sad. Their message--with miniscule differences in degree--is simple one of business as usual.
While the number of Americans disgusted with this war and the policies of endless, undeclared wars in general creeps toward eighty percent, these neocon clones drone on about more war, longer "missions," and argue about who has the greatest faith in failed Wilsonian policy. It is almost as though they want to ensure a Democratic victory in '08. They certainly are not saying ANYTHING that would capture the trust of voters, and seem to have forgotten the tail-kicking the GOP received in '06.
Like him or no, Dr. Paul is the only GOP candidate who can defeat a Democratic nominee. If we end up with Democrats in control of the House, Senate and Presidency, you can blame the GOP for it's sad devotion to a policy Americans will continue to reject, and these visually impared septuplets for carrying the banner of failure.
I can't wait for Fred Thompson to show up at a debate. He'll say the same things the rest of them have saod for months and wow the media with his parroting skills! This collection of political whores could be distilled down to a single candidate and the ideas, policies and promises that he would spew forth would sound no different than what these seven blather on about now.


Maybe we Democrats should change our registrations for the 2008 primaries and cast our votes for Ron Paul. That could make things very, very interesting.


Before this debate I was undecided. I was leaning to vote for Guiliani. I had heard all the rants about the Ron Paul spammers and such and I didn't care about any of it very much. I didn't care who spams who, etc. Spam can be deleted. After THIS debate, I can clearly see that the so-called spammers (if that's what they are) are pleading with people to wake up to Ron Paul. We NEED to return to the Constitution. We NEED someone who is open about the real problems. I am 100% for Ron Paul, who is of the people, by the people and FOR the people. This isn't a difficult decision. RON PAUL won the debate, I don't care WHO you want to see in the White House, even if I still wanted the low-life Guiliani, RON PAUL won this debate! Hands down. I can't, in good conscience, NOT support him here on out .


RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!

We do not elect presidents to get us into needless wars without end, or to save the face of the president before them (or the party for that matter)! We elect presidents to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Ron Paul has been douing this for his entire political career. And he did it at the debate! He did it against Huckabee!

This man really loves America and our Republic!

Go Ron Paul!!!!!


I just wanna know what can we do to get Ron Paul more exposure in these debates.Its clear there trying hard to silence him.I never seen a presidential candidate like him before. RON PAUL all the way in 2008.


"I'm completely amazed that anyone is taking Ron Paul seriously. You could hear the snickers of the other candidates anytime he opened his mouth."

I don't vote based on the opinions of the other candidates. I vote based on my opinions and which candidate best reflects that, which is why I'm currently supporting Ron Paul.


"I'm completely amazed that anyone is taking Ron Paul seriously. You could hear the snickers of the other candidates anytime he opened his mouth."

I don't vote based on the opinions of the other candidates. I vote based on my opinions and which candidate best reflects that, which is why I'm currently supporting Ron Paul.


It may well be a blood bath after we leave Iraq, but will anything we do stop this (now that BushCo has gotten it started), or will we just put it off until a Democrat is President and gets the blame?

Also, to say that Sunnis and the Shia have been at each others throats for generations is not true according to my friends who are Iraqis. It is a recent phenomenon brought on by Saddam's placing Sunnis in power and killing the Shia. Let us not forget who put Saddam into power, i.e. the US and more particularly the CIA; He was our buddy who fought the Iranians for us.

And finally, at the risk of offending everyone, we all share the blame for the situation in the middle east. We all support the status quo so that we can driver our cars, eat our fast food and live in our nice houses. We are like absentee landlords who demand luxury but leave the dirty work to our agents and then are shocked when we find out the methods they used to give us what we want.

Ron Paul says bring the troops home, and so we should. The unintended consequence would be the reduction in the American standard of living as we no longer appropriate the resources of the entire world by military force.

Go Ron Paul. He alone among the candidates has the honor that Mike Huckleberry claims is so important.


Ron Paul is not an isolationist. The Neocon Foreign Policy is isolationist, as it makes the US hated around the world. WAKE UP !!!


"I'm completely amazed that anyone is taking Ron Paul seriously. You could hear the snickers of the other candidates anytime he opened his mouth. He's an embarrasment and should not be on the same stage as the other candiates."

Are you fucking kidding me? The other candidates 'snicker' because they know Paul is right and endangers their agenda. If you ask me, every single Republican candidate except Paul are Neo-Cons promoting one-world government.


Ronny is da man!!!


I am so tired of misreporting, bad reporting and outright lies. Ron Paul is not an isolationist. If you don't know that then you don't have any business writing. Look up words you don't know before you use them. That is libelous, untrue, misleading, and false. Ron Paul is a non-interventionist. Grab Webster's and find out the difference.

P.S. Chris Wallace lost all credibility with his antagonistic remark - so we are to take our marching orders from Al Qaeda. He is a tool and is a bad evil man. I spit on him.


How about limiting future debates to Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee, and Duncan Hunter? They are the only ones who sounded presidential.

John McCain and Tom Tancredo have no chance.

Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney are barely even Republicans.


Thanks for covering the best part of the otherwise boring debate full of biased and leading questions. The hypothetical war scenerio question has to be the most biased and worst question ever asked in a Presidential debate.

Dr. Ron Paul 2008!

America does not want an empire run by former CIA nazis. We want Freedom under the Constitution.

And tell Giulliani to stop cackling every time Dr. Paul has the spotlight. No one cares what his pre-reheared New World Order position is.


Now is our chance! Democrats, Independants, anyone who has heard Ron Paul's message and believes. Change your party affiliation to Republican and vote for him in your state's primary. It doesnt matter if you change right back, but do it now so we can get Ron Paul on the ballot in all 50 states.

We are now at a crossroads in America. The Internet has brought the ideas of Ron Paul to a growing segment of America that would not have heard him 10 years ago. And his message has been resonating. Don't waste this opportunity, who knows if or when it will come again.


The Republican party will lose big if it elects a pro-war candidate in the primaries. Continuing this disaster in Iraq is not honorable because inevitably we will leave Iraq, and when we do the situation on the ground will not be a desireable one. However I am 100% confident Ron Paul will win the primaries. Just look at all the comments above mine. There is too much at stake in this election and Americans are willing to accept the truth and provide for it. And one last thing, Ron Paul is a non-interventionalist, not a isolationist. George Washington was a non-interventionalist, does anyone dare critisize our first president?


Ron paul is an immense inspiration. Democrats should switch parties and sign up as Republicans and vote for this principled, intelligent and hugely decent man - he is the answer to ALL of America's (and the world's) ills. He is the planet's only hope.


RON PAUL for 2008!! The only man that will save our republic!


If Ron Paul has only 50 "spammers" under his belt, then every single one of them are likely in this office. I've talked extensively with my coworkers and there are more than 50 us right here in this very building that are not going to be at work when AZ holds its presidential preference election (primary) in February.

There are going to be 40 different "spammers" at a gun show this weekend.

Yup, there's only 50 of us I guess.


Please correct your story Ron Paul is not a isolationist. Do you reporters ever research anything anymore or do you just spin?

Ron Paul did a very good job last night in the debate.


Hey Frank, who are these "many" who were calling McCain the "winner?" Were they the brilliant elitist "professional" journalists (self-appointed gatekeepers) who are doing their best to sideline Ron Paul? Are those the "many?" Seems "many" listeners who responded said Ron Paul won, but maybe you think they don't count. And another thing, calling Ron Paul an "isolationist" is both unwarranted and insulting. If by isolationist you mean one who is unwilling to attack a country that has not attacked you...well maybe you need to revise your skewed definitions. It is the interventionists represented by all the others up there last night who are isolating America from the rest of the civilized world.


Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He is believes in non-intervention. Meaning , don't mess with other's affairs. There is a big difference. Can you comprehend that?


What an ugly display by Fox News and the 7 GOP candidates on the stage last night; laughing and snickering at Ron Paul! Mr. Paul has run an honorable campaign. Going to war with Iran is not a laughing matter. As a Republican I will not stand with people who act in such a manner. Ron Paul will be the last Republican I ever vote for! These pricks can't beat him on ideas and debate so they resort to this crap. Goodbye GOP! Hello Constitution Party!


This article needs to be ammended. Ron Paul is not an "isolationist." In foreign policy, he is better described a "non-interventionist." He is far from an isolationiast, he wishes to have trade and commerce with all, but alliances and blood soaked aggressive empire building wars with none.

He has the only foreign policy that is in line with that of the founding fathers of this country.

The authors of the Constitution would have cheered Ron Paul. And as Americans, we should all do that as well.


LOL, I just found out about Ron Paul a few days ago and even I know he's not an isolationist....

And btw, Ron Paul clearly won that debate plus the exchange w/ Huckabee and if the Republican Party thinks they can win on a pro-war, let's stay in Iraq, maybe attack Iran for Israel type policy, they're in for a massive wake up call in 08.


This was a great moment for Ron Paul during the debate. Now if only Fox News would let him speak as much as the other candidates in the debates. Ron Paul got asked 1/5th the questions but still won the text message poll. Imagine if he got asked as many questions as the others, it would have been a landslide in favor of Paul.


Brettrix says..
"it is okay to be a republican if you are voting for Ron Paul"

I also say "Buy American, Vote Ron Paul"

Peace, Prosperity, Probity, PAUL


Hannity says he'll educate Ron Paul. What a pompous buffoon.

Who cares whether the MSM keeps avoiding Ron Paul. In the end, their bad reputation will only get worse.

The RP drumbeat is getting louder, can't you hear it? The American people hear it and their numbers are increasing every day!

Honor, Huckabee? Wait until America speaks, you'll see honor!


if you only knew Mike Huckabee's history you would know that the debate between Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee was a debate between and honest man and a liar and hypocrite. I live in Arkansas and I know personally Mike Huckabee's "qualitites".

Mike Huckabee got in bed with Governor Jim Guy Tucker back in 1995 in an effort to overthrow the 1874 Constitution of Arkansas. Huckabee is a liberal Democrat with a Republican label.

Ron Paul is correct concerning the justification used by the radical Muslims for attacking us. However, he is dead wrong (like everyone else) when it comes to the real enemy, which is Russia and China (Communism). The radical Muslims would not last a day without the clandestine support of Vladmir Putin and the FSB.


Remove your LIBELOUS statement that Ron Paul is an isolationist! What kind of journalist would make such an asinine, uneducated statement? Have you been watching the debates? Have you listened to what Congressman Paul has been saying? The isolationists are the ones that forced us into war, coercing other nations to follow our lead, not the people that want to speak freely and trade with all nations.

Shameful, FRANK JAMES. You are what is wrong with our modern day journalism. If you are going to right on article, educate yourself on the subject matter.


Ron is a 'non-interventionist' , not a isolationist. There is a huge difference!


"How many Americans have to die in this war before Mike Huckabee can claim we are leaving with honor? Answer: It doesn't matter."


RON PAUL IS THE ONLY TRUE CONSERVATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL CANDIDATE THE GOP HAS.

WAKE UP BASE, THE NEOCONS HAVE INFILTRATED YOUR PARTY.

LETS GET OUR INTEGRITY BACK!


Anyone read the book invasion of the party snatchers? Great book. GOP wake up, we've been NeoConned. We need to get back to our values. Ron Paul is the ONLY man who has demonstrated he will stand for those values, and not be bought.

www.RONPAUL2008.com


I think Ron Paul is brilliant and not as extremist as he is painted. I agree with all his positions against the organizations he opposes, but at first I thought he might make changes more quickly than we could handle. After listening to him in various venues, I've decided he knows he has to make the changes of which he speaks gradually. His rhetoric is harsh, but he knows he must work with Congress to implement. Even when it comes to war, he has not said he is anti-war, he is for going to Congress to declare war and to only do so when it is not aggressive. We make more enemies when we occupy countries and are world's policemen. Where does that stop? Not enough US troops to cover world. Go Ron Paul.


Huckabee's argument is essentially correct. But it doesn't end with Iraq.

We owe it to every country in whose internal affairs we involve ourselves to make sure we leave it in better shape than when we first started to meddle.

This opens a can of worms we cannot begin to address adequately.

So over all, Ron Paul is correct. Let's stay out of the internal affairs of foreign countries so that we stop breaking jars or pottery or anything else.


Ron Paul made this life long democrat PROUD. There goes Huckabee (who I like) throwing out words like "honor", yet he has NO plan for Iraq. The honor he needs to show the troops is outline a plan for "success". It's easy to bash someone's plan (withdrawl is a plan!) than to come up with your own.

Go ahead pundits, "Huckabee" won. ;)

I will be registering as a republican so that I can vote for RON PAUL!


HUCKABEE ARGUES ON EMOTION, RON PAUL ARGUES ON FACT. Ron Paul totally ruled that intire debate whenever he got to talk. THEY NEED TO GIVE HIM MORE AIR TIME! RON PAUL 2008!


Huckabee's argument was an appeal to human emotion. Paul's argument was an appeal to reason.

I would prefer reason to be the basis for foreign policy, and certainly would not to see my grandchildren sacrificed to defend some politicians view of honor in the pursuit of controlling another nation. Are any of these politicians honorable anyway?

When I watch the Military Channel show our troops going house to house, knocking in doors, searching, and generally terrorizing the inhabitants, I can only think that we must be viewed by the people of Iraq the same as the Jews viewed the German soldiers, half a century ago. The US troops show up at market places and the crowd disappears in fear.

What kind of foreign policy is this? Except for wanting to keep control on Iraq's oil, what in the world do we want to be there for? We certainly can be there to give them freedom when we don't even believe in it any more here in the US.


It's time for people to wake up and realize that Ron Paul isn't just a footnote in SPAM. He's the candidate with the best solutions for our current problems. And isn't that what campaigning is all about? When the mass media won't cover him, grassroots is the only way to go. Our country has grown leaps and bounds due to grassroot campaigns. But I have to say, Dr. Paul took Huckabee out in the first round. Huckabee should enjoy his 2 minutes...that's likely all he'll get. It just seemed like a debate between someone talking logic and reason vs. someone who was speaking emotionally and waving a flag for some cheap applause. You can have your applause, Mr. Huckabee. But I want Ron Paul as my president.


How long are people expected to jump every time some media hack says "Al Qaeda?" Ron Paul is the best candidate the GOP has, but he can't cure what ails that party alone. As an Edwards supporter, I look at the pile of used car salesmen and crooks and I see Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee as the only two who wouldn't sell their mothers for a shot at the oval office. We all saw how McCain got whupped by Rove's racist strategies and rumors about his mental health the last time around. Giuliani is a transvestite whoremonger who may have made New York extra vulnerable during his mayorship to terror attacks-the emergency command center location wasn't chosen for safety but for enabling him to meet floozies. Mitt is an empty suit, Hunter is likely a war profiteer and crook. What is left? If it was Ron Paul vs. Hillary Clinton, I might be very sorely tempted to use my independent voting status where it would do the most good.


Ron Paul owned the debate,as all the polls show this, including Fox's one phone, one vote system.

All you retards falling for the shameful propaganda being put out by Hannity the neocon war whore, just help make people think Americans are thick.

Thankfully, Ron Paul and his supporters are disproving that myth and slowly but surely the mist is being removed from Americas eyes.

Wake up and smell the coffee war whores, your days are numbered! Even if you try to fix the election results.


He doesn't stand a snow flake's chance in hell's furnaces, but I want to thank the Ron Paul people for making one thing abundantly clear: all pretense of pluralism, and "free" and "open" alleged "debate" or opinionating in this country is dead dead dead. Ron Paul states simple tradional American positions and his opinions are received as if he were some freak lunatic. Surely the Founding Fathers have spun out of their graves eons ago already.

It's just insanity.


Ron Paul wins another debate with his moral genius. I will be voting for Ron Paul in 2008!


RON PAUL OWNS SEAN HANNITY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh2sBKpLxpQ


WOW!
I hope you really don’t call yourself a journalist. Propagandist is much more fitting.
You're not fit to write on the back of a Cracker Jack box!
Judging from the overwhelmingly positive posts here for Ron Paul, your article sure does make you look like an even bigger fool.

The American people can see through your BS. The Baltimore Sun will go down as a "joke" much like you.

People cab recognize the truth & Dr. Paul is waking up the sleeping giant.

H E R E
W E
C O M E !

puppetgov.com


I can count about 50 Ron Paul voters in my personal sphere.

I'd say the only reason that people have not heard the NEWS about Ron Paul by now is because word of mouth travels slower than the news vans and we haven't yet capitalized on the full potential of the internet.

Now would be a perfect time to start internet only news channels.

I am glad this campaign season started early, it gives word of mouth candidates like Ron Paul a chance to get his message wired.

Ron Paul is not just building a presidential candidacy, he is building the platform for a return of power to the people.

One day we will pull up some of these archives for our great grand kids and show them that this is where the Revolution began.

And the world will once again be inspired by Freedom loving Americans!

Ron Paul 2008


I live in Arkansas where Huckabee raised the taxes of the whole state we pay taxes on food and everything else Huckabee rants on about how he knows how to manage a gov't He said he wants to get rid of the death tax yeah ... because it will Give the Waltons even more money to bribe him with and keep him bought. Ron Paul is the only Real Republican with the original concepts of less gov't more freedom. If your voting for Huckabee you must have money up the wahzoo because Thats the only vote he's interested in if you don't think so try looking up his stats they really suck.... Ron Paul's voting record is public look it up he votes what he believes and says in public unlike Huckabee who mouths platitudes and barely genuflects in honors direction I'll take a real military doctor over the closet evangelist minister any day.


Ron Paul would have been 10 years old when WWII ended. Winning that war strikes me as a pretty tall order for a 10 year old. Unless of course we are merely engaged in speculative fiction, which prompts the obvious question - "...but what if he had superpowers like Superman or Spiderman?" In point of fact, America had to be dragged into the war (I believe at the time President Roosevelt referred to the attack on Pearl Harbor as a day that will live in infamy, not as an opportunity) to such an extent that despite Pearl Harbor, America waited until after Germany declared war on America before entering the European theatre. I don't see how America could possibly have been more isolationist.


Ron Paul is the only electable reublican candidate.

It's a simple equation in Iraq our existance as a country is not at stake and we lack a clearly defined miltary objective & enemy. We will leave Iraq voters will demand it. It's a question of when, how many more Americans will die and how bad of a drubbing the republicans will take.

Frank your views and impressions of Ron Paul are not accurate with respect to isolationism. I urge you to better understand and be open to Ron Paul's ideas and thinking.

Ron Paul has my vote.


I am a Democrat who watched the Republican debate to "check out the competition". I think it's changed my life. After watching Ron Paul so fervently defend his Constitutional position against Huckabee and Wallace, I Googled Ron Paul and discovered he is now my man. Nobody in either party has filled me with as much hope as Ron Paul has as an American. Wow. I guess this is the definition of "epiphany" - I am now a Democrat for Ron Paul.


You describe him as an "isolationist". North Korea is isolationist, as it actively prevents its citizens from interacting with the outside world. Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he is non-interventionist. That means he doesn't want the government interfering in other parts of the world, and he doesn't want the government to restrict free travel and information exchange between American citizens and the rest of the world.

Pick up a dictionary before you try to smear a good man with a good message.


Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee are the only two candidates on the stage who are deserving of any attention.

On this point, Paul is right and Huckabee is wrong--in my opinion--, but wasn't it refreshing to see a debate that actually included "debate."?


Paul +1
Huckabee -1

Ron Paul is our only hope.



Individual liberty, small gov't, peace and prosperity, Ron Paul has my vote.

I think Frank James knows full well the difference between non-interventionism and an isolationist.


Dr. Paul sits on the House International Relations Committe. I think he has a better view of what the world thinks of us than a gov from Arkansas.

I admit that 'I like Mike' to an extent, but he has just proved to me that he has a limited view of the world.

There is no honor in continuing a failed policy. There is no honor in letting more people die for this policy. There is no honor in sending more Americans into harms way just for the sake of honor. Mike is probably a nice guy and really believes what he says, but it is short sighted to think we can win 'honor' by continuing to follow this failed policy, the world is starting to see thru this and is beginning to turn on us.

Dr. Paul on the other hand sees very clearly where the problems are. Muslims hate the fact that we occupy their holy sites for no good reason except to protect 'our interests'. Our interests? It's their oil and their land, and every time they have a chance at democracy they vote in islamic radicals. This is apparently what they want, so who are we to tell them they cant have it.

Does anyone think for one second that if we left that the oil would stop flowing, or they would not trade with us? And if they do stop, why is it our business?

Now you may say that America needs the oil, but its not OUR OIL, it's theirs. If we need oil then we should start drilling in ANWAR or shift to clean coal or develop other types of energy.

The exchange was great and I think debates should be more of a shouting match of ideas, but the way FOX conducted themselves, and the other candidates conducted themselves was a disgrace.

Ron Paul seems to be the only sensible man on the stage. He has a world vision that is not owned by anyone, and he has a respect for the constitution and the way we are supposed to go to war in the first place.

As Dr. Paul correctly states, congress shall declare war, not the president. This is for a reason, it slows us down, makes us think and debate about the worth of going to war and the sacrafice that is needed to do so.

When congress abdicates it's responsibility and gives the executive branch that power we can be pressed into war without that crucial debate.

The war powers act was inteded to allow the president limited power to react to an impending first nuclear strike, when the missiles are in the air flying at us, so we can launch a retaliatory strike. Under this scenario (and only this scenario) there would be no time for congress to debate the worth of going to war, because it has already started.

This is the point that people seem to have forgotten, and is lost in these debates.

Since WWII congress has sat on it's hands because it is 'safer' for them to not vote on such matters, leaving it to the executive to take the blame when things go wrong. They are not doing their jobs because they want the political cover of being able to say they never voted to go to war, blame the president, etc...

In reality when they grant the president these powers they move us toward dictatorship and we go to war far too easy and often for the wrong reasons.

Mike and the rest of the gang on stage, Paul excluded, don't understand this and this is why they are not qualified to lead the country in my opinion.


Ron Paul is really quit witted and logical. Very refreshing with a idiot like Bush in office.


I think this was the first moment we've seen in a debate that was actually entertaining and meaningful. I respect both of these candidates a great deal, because I can understand and appreciate both of their positions. Huckabee and Paul would run circles around Romney & Giuliani if they went one on one with either of them.

I think both candidates made great points, and I really liked their conviction...especially when Huckabee said, "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor, and that's more important than the Republican Party." Finally...we have two candidates putting their convictions ahead of their party! That's refreshing to me.


"...It wasn't just "Neo-conservatives" that led America to war, it was everyone in Washington that mattered. Mike Huckabee was right; we went to Iraq together, Dems and Republicans. Ron Paul is bashing his own party for political gain."
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"...It was everyone in Washington that mattered..." Exactly!! Washington, i.e. THE FEDERAL government WITHOUT "We the people's" (i.e. each STATE)approval through either an up or down vote that would have or have not been a DECLARATION of War.
Huckabee basically said that there is no diffrence between the federal govt., the states, and the people. This is not true as Dr. Paul pointed out to him. This nation was founded as a REPUBLIC.
In short Huckabee argument was STATISM/COLLECTIVISM, while Paul's was CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC (States voices heard through formal vote of Congress)/INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILTY.

which do you choose?


"Ron Paul is ignorant of history, and he stands behind the constitution to top it all off. The president is called "Commander and Chief" for a reason..."
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Yes you are correct, the President does have the war time power as "commander and chief". But that is A WAR POWER! The President does not have Constitutional authority to GO TO WAR. He has the power to WAGE (conduct war as a general would) war. Congress is the only branch that can DECLARE WAR.


"If Tyranny and Oppression Come to this Land, it Will be in the Guise of Fighting a Foreign Enemy"

-James Madison


"...H.J. Resolution 114 whick was:"A Joint Resolution to authorize the use of US Armed Forces against Iraq." So the "authorization" Paul talks about would have likely come anyway..."
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A resolution is not the same as a DECLARATION. Paul as I understand him, is not looking for authorization, but a Constitutional DECLARATION. Someone can and may correct me on this but I believe a resoultion is only meant to be for LIMITED military operations, not for an all out, sustained war. If the President desires to continue operations he MUST go to Congress for a formal vote and declaration after A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME PASSES.


Why do we have another writer, Frank James, labeling Ron Paul an isolationist ? More misinformation. He's a non-interventionist. He's for free trade and alliances with other countries, therefore he's not an isolationist. Get the facts straight before throwing labels out there, Frank.


Our only hope for America is Ron Paul...Huckabee i think is better than some of the other guys hint (Rudy) but he seems like he did not have enough background on foreign affairs. Dr. Paul has been dealing with those types of situtations for many years and was up to the task is Huckabee's only reponse to why americans are dying is honor than he can not be president.


I would love to see a Huckabee - Ron Paul rematch! Ron Paul would win hands down! Get the message out: Ron Paul for President, Don't let the main stream media "buy" this election like they've done for years. Bring back honor and intergirty to America again! Vote for Ron Paul!


Paul obviously Took Huckabee out in this debate. Huckabee should remeber that "PRIDE" is sinfull. Honor is merely a perception. Death and Money are Real!


It makes me very happy that people who watched the debate can still think for themselves. People are flocking to Dr. Paul's campaign because of the message.

Please get your facts straight Mr. James. Ron Paul advocates a non interventionist foreign policy. Look it up in the dictionary. It's not the same as being an isolationist which Ron paul most certainly is not.


Dr. Paul adheres to a Jeffersonian stance regarding foreign policy which states "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none."

That is a policy of non-intervention, not a policy of isolation. I strongly advise that you correct your miscategorization of Dr. Paul in this and future articles. It's a considerable oversight on your behalf.


"a question that led to Paul delivering an answer that sounded to many in the Republican audience as though he were blaming the U.S. for the 9/11 attacks, a position anathema to many Americans, even beyond the Republican base."

An almost unbelievable degree of bias is shown in this quote. It "sounded to many in the audience", as if James personally polled them. I heard a lot of cheering for Paul's position myself. Keep trying to twist the truth all you want, fellows, but you're not half as clever as you think you are. You may have contempt for the American people's ability to see through the BS, but more people are catching on every day. It's becoming disturbingly obvious, and the big story these days is actually "Why does the media fear Ron Paul?"

It's time to start thinking for yourselves, America.


The only one who made a serious mistake last night was Mike Huckabee. Huckabee claimed "WE made a mistake" that "we" were "responsible" for "breaking Iraq". Blaming the American people for the problems in Iraq is not going to go down well with the American people. Especially those who opposed the war in the first place. Ive never been angrier before in my whole life. Im not responsible for this cluster in Iraq.


Ron Paul bested Huckabee in that exchange, and won the debate overall. He clearly got the better of Chris Wallace with his response to a loaded question. Anyone who claimed McCain won was merely trying to shape the impressions of people who didn't watch. Fox viewers voted overwhelmingly for Ron Paul, and contrary to Hannity and Colmes they could only vote once from the same phone.


Ron Paul is great.


What I'm loving is that Ron paul got 34% of the text poll votes. Soon FoxNews will realize that they can't let bozos like Hannity alienate one third of their viewers.


Posted by: sam | September 6, 2007 1:55 PM

sam proves that there is at least one intelligent Texan down there. Too bad there weren't more of them before 2000 to prevent "Fortunate Son" from being anointed by the Neocons when they took over the Republican party.


I don't care about honor. I don't care about unity. I care about doing right.


Ron Paul is an isolationist in the same vein as Washington, Jefferson, et. al. Trade with all countries, entangling alliances with none. Follow the Constitution as closely as possible in this day and age; it's never steered this country wrong in the past.


Blatant deception from Fox News!

original text vote results: Paul 33%
Huckabee 18%
Guiliani 15%
Romney 12%
Posted at www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272493,00.html
Romney 29%
Paul 25%
Guiliani 19%
Huckabee 8%
total votes cast : at least 40,000

Guess we now know who Fox News is rooting for!!


I know that this hasn't been mentioned before, so I just thought that I'd point out that Dr. Paul is a non-interventionist, not an isolationist.

Lol.


No one seems to remember that when sworn into office, the President takes an oath to uphold the principles of the Constitution. It is clear that no one running for office would do this except for Ron Paul.

I am embaraced by the blatant favoritism shown by nearly every media outlet. You can see the comments after all the biased attacks on Ron Paul (from both sides) give more news than the story.

If you want to see Dr. Paul as the next President you need to donate to his campaign, because the media responds to who has the biggest war chest. Also, visit unity08.com an online third party that has a better shot of representing the will of the people. Thank goodness for the internet (Al Gores best invention... just kidding).


Well it is indeed a strange day. I drove by the post office on the way to work and picked up a voter registration card and ticked the Republican box. This was hard to do, but I intend to vote for Ron Paul in the primary. Not sure if it will do much good in the end but I don't give a damn. I'm so sick of the status quo I could just about pull my hair out,


"News Analysis

Confounding critics who deride his international policy approach as naïve or simplistic, the prestigious Johns Hopkins Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) in Washington, D.C., has invited Ron Paul to make a keynote policy address on September 11.

Ron Paul will be speaking on “A Tradtional Non-Intervention Foreign Policy” – topic that has likely languished in most US international schools and think tanks in the modern era. Says one source close privy to the negotiations surrounding the invitation, “This school is engaged in a 20th century, interventionist, foreign policy approach. For them to invite him to make a major address like this shows how seriously his views are being taken by the educational establishment and by the political establishment in general,”

And he adds, “This election has come down to Ron Paul versus the rest of the Republican candidates. He has set the party on its ear, and anyone who thinks that he is a so-called fringe candidate at this point is not grasping reality."

The announcement reads as follows:

"A Traditional Non-Intervention Foreign Policy"
11 a.m. to Noon - Kenney Auditorium, Nitze Building
Ron Paul, Republican congressman and 2008 presidential candidate, will discuss this topic. For more information and to RSVP, contact cpfr@jhu.edu or 202.587.3237. Media who want to cover this event should register with Felisa Neuringer Klubes in the SAIS Communications Office at 202.663.5626 or fklubes@jhu.edu..."


Ron Paul is right - and if anybody is "taking marching orders from al qaeda", it's those who think we must stay in Iraq in order to "save honor" - they actually care what al qaeda thinks.. let them think what they want! Us staying there solidly helps al qaeda recruiting efforts.. if we leave, then let them think they have a victory - at least we aren't helping moderates move towards extremism.


Nik-

Please understand that it is in fact you that is ignorant of history. Citing George Washington and his annoyance with "running things by" the Continental Congress as "proof" that Ron Paul is clueless about history, and then tying that into the Commander-in-Chief idea? Are you kidding me?

First of all, George Washington presided over the War for INDEPENDENCE from Great Britain, he did not preside over the invasion and occupation of a foreign country, K?

Two, the Founding Fathers, like Washington, were AGAINST entangling alliances and meddling in the affairs of other nations, like our government has done for the past 100 years.

You need to wake the F up, just like the 30-40 percent of this country, and the 90-95 percent of the MSM, who still support and advocate for the war in Iraq as well as for making war against Iran.


Huckabee clearly won the debate hands down.


I'd like to see Ron Paul debate each one of those AIPAC influenced neocons: one by one, cutting them down to size with common sense, logic, history, Consitutional precedence, and a conservative interpretation of the United States Constitution.

Remember, only Ron Paul will beat Hillary Clinton.


In 2000 I said I would never vote for any Republican ever again.

Ron Paul is making me reconsider this pledge. If just in the primary, I may vote for him.


Ron Paul rules! I met him years ago at a Second Amendment Meeting in Texas. He's open, honest, and tells it like it is. And about Gov. Huckabee, remember last time we had an Arkansas Governor in the White House?


Ron paul clearly won that exchange. He has my vote, and hopefully many many others. We need our LIBERTY BACK!


I don't know about Ron Paul. Who do you think will win the Republican nomination? Thompson, Giuliani, Romney, maybe Ron Paul? Vote today at http://www.pollicious.com


Since every politician (especially the neo-con) loves to speak for the troops, I will speak as a troop--I support Ron Paul! There are many troops who support "minding our own business."

Politicians, stop speaking for all the troops!!


"a question that led to Paul delivering an answer that sounded to many in the Republican audience as though he were blaming the U.S. for the 9/11 attacks, a position anathema to many Americans, even beyond the Republican base."

An almost unbelievable degree of bias is shown in this quote. It "sounded to many in the audience", as if James personally polled them. I heard a lot of cheering for Paul's position myself. Keep trying to twist the truth all you want, fellows, but you're not half as clever as you think you are. You may have contempt for the American people's ability to see through the BS, but more people are catching on every day. It's becoming disturbingly obvious, and the big story these days is actually "Why does the media fear Ron Paul?"

It's time to start thinking for yourselves, America.


The difference between Ron Paul and the GOP frontrunners is that Paul, alone, is committed to smaller government, at home and abroad, as the Founders intended.

The difference between Ron Paul and the liberal Democrat "peaceniks" is that Ron Paul's opposition to the Iraq War is principled and rooted in Patriotism, as opposed to opportunistic, and rooted in Globalism.

I don't know how far an honest man can go in American politics. I hope it's all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Ron Paul has more than my vote; more than my personal endorsement. Ron Paul has my TRUST, and I haven't said that about too many politicians in my lifetime.


What does chicken hawk Huckabee know about honor and sacrifice? He never served a day in the military? Ron Raul won the debate.


"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."

Dr. Paul speaks the truth, and is not longer being ignored. Now they are laughing at him, but this too shall pass. All that's left is the fight. Are you ready to get in the fight? Join your local Ron Paul meetup group today.


What an awesome moment in the debate. Ron Paul speaking the truth backed by facts and logic, and Huckabee using ethos and pathos in his deeply flawed rhetoric. I know Ron Paul would welcome a 1-1 debate, but Huckabee would never accept. He would get demolished.


Ron went to Fox-r-us, picked Mike off the shelf of the store and broke it. Ron wanted to buy the pieces but Wallace would not sell it because he only takes selling orders from Ruppert.

Wallace walks out with Mike, Ruppert walks out alone, Ron walks out with honor.

Mike falls. Wallace bows. Ruppert spins. Ron wins.

RP2008


Ron Paul Won Post-Debate Text Poll. NH Fox GOP Debate, 9/5/07.

Final Results:

Ron Paul 33%
Huckabee- 18%
Giuliani- 15%
McCain- 14%
Romney- 12%
Hunter- 2%
Tancredo- 2%
Brownback- 1%

DEBATE PHONE POLL RESULT BY FOX:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295969,00.html

Video showing how FOX pathetically try to minimize the result of its own poll:
http://donklephant.com/2007/09/06/why-isnt-ron-paul-taken-more-seriously

Please, mention this in the article.


I agree with republitemp; I'm going to change my registration to Republican and fullfill my oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States by voting for Dr. Paul in my state primary. It feels good to believe in something bigger than entitlement programs, and beating up on third world dictators.


Although I would never vote for Ron Paul, I will compliment him for being consistent with his positions regardless of politics.

Paul basically believes in an ultra limited form of govt and is perhaps the only genuine "strict constructionist" on that stage.

While I think this goes too far in large numbers of instance, I can at least respect someone who is consistent in its application.


Thank you Fox News.

Thank you for your embarrassingly biased allocation of time, substitution of opinion for questions, turning up idiots giggling in lieu of having anything intelligent to say, offering polls then undermining their credibility and leaving them unposted when you don’t like the results.

Thank you, because you gave Ron Paul a chance to shine in the face of your tactics. Thank you because no other body could discredit your tactics more thoroughly than you did yourself.

Based in no small part to Fox News, many more people are now aware of Dr. Paul’s support of the constitution, liberty, and opposition to undeclared, nation-building “wars”.

“So, Congressman Paul, and I'd like you to take 30 seconds to answer this, you're basically saying that we should take our marching orders from al Qaeda? If they want us off the Arabian Peninsula, we should leave?”

“No! I'm saying we should take our marching orders from our Constitution. We should not go to war without a declaration. We should not go to war when it's an aggressive war. This is an aggressive invasion. We've committed the invasion of this war, and it's illegal under international law. That's where I take my marching orders, not from any enemy.”

Pure gold.

We couldn’t do it nearly as well without you guys. Take a bow. Or hang your head. Whichever.


Frank James thank you for posting an article about Ron Paul who obviously is the most interesting candidate in this election.

Debate Results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSzWzrxUtjU

Those who learn about Ron Paul become supporters of Ron Paul. I will be voting for Ron Paul in 2008!


All warfare is an armed robbery. Ron Paul is saving that fact for when he names the current administration; "white trash".


My letter to the politics@foxnews.com ...

These results are not what were originally presented after the debate. Its also comical how you present the results of First and Second place...

"Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who ignited controversy at the debate with remarks that U.S. policy had invited the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, came in second with 25 percent..."

And then throw in this snippet as if Rudy was right for admonishing Dr. Paul...


“…Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who strongly admonished Paul for his comments, came in third place with 19 percent. Arizona Sen. John McCain, who is the frontrunner in South Carolina polls, came in sixth with 5 percent."

What the hell does this have anything at all to do with the poll’s results? There were no other comments on any other candidates. As someone currently in the military, I sincerely hope Ron Paul sweeps this election, he has my vote.

This is hilarious-the MSM can find NOTHING to discredit Dr. Paul, so they obscure results of their own poll, and even use the first sentences of saidresults to defame Dr. Paul...trully an act of desparate people...


The laughter going on during this debate disgusted me. I have to agree with a previous poster--no more debates on Fox.

Ron Paul & Huckabee were the only ones worth watching during this debate.

As for the isolationist tag, what can you expect from an article that can't spell "PAUL."


Ron took it to the hole and slam dunked it. Huckabee and the rest have their emotionally rooted fascist schtick, but America is DONE WITH IT. The war is a mistake, it's obvious, the end. Ron is talking reason, the rest are doing the neo-con shuffle. The establishment media can keep pretending he's not viable, but the only thing they will accomplish is proving their own non-viability. Ya heard me, son?


Lively exchange! Kudos to both Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee for successfully articulating their positions with passion.

Emotionally as well as intellectually I'm most moved by Paul's logic, but I do appreciate the sincerity of Huckabee's position and believe his understanding must be taken into account, for it represents the feelings of a large body of concerned, well-intentioned citizens.

Those concerns should be addressed by Ron Paul, who needs to demonstrate that it is in our honor to do the right thing and leave.

As Paul pointed out, the same people who said there were WMD, that this would be cakewalk for a smaller army, and have predicted we're "finally turning the corner" every single week for the last three years, are the same folk who say there will be a blood bath if we leave. With that track record, when do we finally ignore their cries of "Wolf!"?

Good for Paul for refusing to let Chris Wallace set the terms of debate.


I would personally like to see a rematch between Huckabee and Paul. One can't help but like Huckabee although I support Ron Paul .

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You also might want to read “The Final Presidential Executive Order” a fictional story about a future terrorist attack against the US and learn how the government response elected Ron Paul as President of the United States at http://www.swissconfederationinstitute.org/swisspreserve14.htm


Do You Support Ron Paul?

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Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He is, like Thomas Jefferson, for free trade with all and no entangling alliances. This neocon interventionist philosophy actually isolates us more than we have ever been isolated before.


I didn't take a count, but I'll bet it was over 5 - 1 in favor of Dr. Ron Paul. It seems that those who are paying attention are getting on his side. Let's just hope that the thouroughly slanted news media will begin to give him the coverage he deserves. They don't like him and probably never will acknowledge that he stands head and shoulders above all the rest, including the Democrats.


Ron Paul knows what he is talking about and he is right on all points he brings forward ! I agree with him 100% ! There is not one single other candidate that is worthy to be President other than Ron Paul ! We should bring all of our troops home from every single other country in the whole damn world,and take care ofbusiness here at home ! We should get every single stinking illegal alien out of our country, and we should close our borders completely ! We should impeach President Bush and Vice Preident Dick Chaneney ! House Majority leader Naci Polosi should be impeached as well . Hillary Clinton is nothing but trouble and she should be held accountable for all of her past crimes, as should her husband ! She is not fit to be our next President, or to hold any office, what so ever in government ! Put Ron Paul into the Whitehouse and let him bring back to us all the America our founding forefathers intended for us all !


Ron Paul is sincere, but out of touch. Huckabee blew him out of the water in the red-blooded parts of America.


I am in the military and I have gone to the middle east twice now for this war and once in 1991 for the first gulf war. I am a proud American and I certainly have no desire to return to that place again they can have it. I totally agree with ron paul. Mr. Huckabee here is another analogy for you on our stance on the war: we are like schoolyard kids and the bully came up to us and punched us in the face and stole our lunch money so we went back and stood up to him and kicked his butt and took our lunch money back, then we felt all guilty and helped him back up on his feet and offered to buy him lunch. what kind of backwards foreign policy is that? I agree with Ron Paul lets keep our lunch money and go home and tell that bully if he messes with us again we won't be so nice. The Media is downplaying Ron Paul and it just sends a resounding message to true Americans and lends great truth to what Ron Paul is saying about our liberties being taken away little by little and our constitution being a thing of the past. I beg all of you who read this do not take my word for it, research all the candidates, not just what they are saying on TV but look at their voting history and look at past policy history on ALL the candidates. When you are done it won't be neccessary for me to tell you who the greatest president of our time could be. THE CHOICE WILL BE CLEAR!! RON PAUL 2008


Ron Paul is a small business mans best friend. He will strengthen the dollar, improve our international perception, and give our children a chance to compete on a global level in peace. Ron Paul is the only person not buying the JUNK that the mainstream media has been feeding this country four the past five years. The war drums and fear mongering is absurd. Ron Paul will restore the dignity of this nation.


Ron Paul is the squished bug on the windshield of the Mike Huckabee freight train.
Ron Paul doesn't care about people... he cares about his 15 minutes of fame. The people in the military say we should stay and win, and that anything short of that would be telling all of them that their sacrifices were worthless.


Ron Paul is a coward!!!! True Republicans will take the excellent and right advice from Huckabee....Defend our honor & fight for our freedoms! Freedoms we take far too for granted! What a short memory American's have! Don't forget>>>Freedom has never been free and it can be easily be taken away if we don't defend! These terrorists will never make peace with us...they hate us. They hate us before 9-11 and they hate us even more now because our country is still standing all because of the work of our soldiers defending us and because of our brave commander and chief! God Bless our Soldiers and God Bless Huckabee!!!!


Huckabee said it.

"Well, what we did in Iraq, we essentially broke it."

He admitted that our interventionist policies caused the problems in Iraq.

How much simpler can it be??

Do we stay there and make matters worse???


Rebecca said:
Ron Paul is a coward!!!! True Republicans will take the excellent and right advice from Huckabee....Defend our honor & fight for our freedoms! Freedoms we take far too for granted! What a short memory American's have! Don't forget>>>Freedom has never been free and it can be easily be taken away if we don't defend! These terrorists will never make peace with us...they hate us. They hate us before 9-11 and they hate us even more now because our country is still standing all because of the work of our soldiers defending us and because of our brave commander and chief! God Bless our Soldiers and God Bless Huckabee!!!!

When where and in what branch of the service did Huckabee serve?

Doctor Ron Paul served as an Air Force Flight Surgeon in the 1960's.
I'm glad you blessed Dr. Ron Paul, the veteran...


Up until a few hours ago my support was not directed at any one rep. canditate but Huckabee is obviously not a conservative. I don't think McCain can rally any support and Fred seems disinterested.It may be Ron Paul who is going to get my vote.


When you think about it, it's not actually the terrorists who are taking away our freedoms.


"defend our honor and fight for our freedoms"l.a, baltiomore,n.y,miami,new orleans are ours.defend them first and restore "AMERICA" to the once great nation that it was. and if anyone dares attack us; see what happens......GO RON PAUL!


The media is afraid to give Ron Paul too much attention which is a shame because Ron Paul is the only hope the Republicans have of winning against any of the Democrat candidates. Americans that understand the Constitution know what Bush has done to destroy our Constitution in the name of "fighting terrorism". We must get Ron Paul in office to salvage what is left of this country and bring back the powers of the Constitution.

I'm embarrassed to admit I voted for Bush twice! As much as I don't like the Democrats socialist ideas I will vote Democrat if Ron Paul does not become the presidential candidate for the Republican Party. I guess if I'm forced to vote democrat it won't be any worse than things are now - maybe we need four years of socialism to neutralize the damage done by the fascist powers of the Bush administration.


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