Rush expands 'phony soldier' roster: Rep. Murtha: The Swamp
 
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Posted September 28, 2007 5:18 PM
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As the first Vietnam combat veteran elected to Congress, Jack Murtha represented the House alongside President Reagan in commemorating the Unknown Soldier of the Vietnam War. Photo from Murtha's office.


by Mark Silva

Radio’s Rush Limbaugh, catching flak for his allusion to “phony soldiers’’ this week, insists he really was speaking of only one “genuine phony soldier’’ at the time.

Yet today, Limbaugh expanded his roster of “genuine phony soldiers’’ to include Rep. Jack Murtha, Pennsylvania Democrat, a retired Marine colonel, decorated and wounded veteran of the Vietnam War who served for 37 years and was awarded the Bronze Star.

Murtha was the first Vietnam combat veteran elected to Congress, and as a congressman, also was among the first Democrats with major military credentials to speak out against the war in Iraq -- something he has in common with other veterans protesting not only the war, but also Limbaugh's characterization of war opponents.

Limbaugh today maintained that he was not speaking on his show Wednesday about soldiers who oppose the war in general, but rather one “phony soldier.’’ That would be Jesse MacBeth, who stoked opposition to the war last year speaking out about atrocities he committed as an Army Ranger. MacBeth, 23, of Tacoma, Wash., claimed to have killed more than 200 people, many at close range, some at prayer in mosques.

The only problem with MacBeth’s story was MacBeth himself: He had finished only six weeks of Army basic training, was never a Ranger and never deployed in Iraq. After conservative bloggers exposed him last year, he faced further trouble: Pleading guilty in June in federal court in Seattle to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.

The only problem with Limbaugh’s story today is what he said on his show earlier in the week – an excerpt follows below. It appears – to those looking at the words on paper – that he was speaking about soldiers who oppose the war. Yet today, denouncing the “phony soldiers’’ story as a phony story and a "smear,'' Limbaugh insisted he was talking about just one phony.

Democrats, from chairman Howard Dean on down, pounced on Limbaugh for his "phony soldiers'' comment.

“ I never said what you think I said, Congressman Pallone, congresswoman Schakowsky, Senator Kerry, or any of the rest of you in the Drive-By Media,’’ Limbaugh said today on his radio program. “I was talking about a genuine phony soldier.

“And, by the way, Jesse MacBeth is not the only one,’’ Limbaugh continued today. “How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in the New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines in Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?

“If anybody owes anybody an apology,’’ Limbaugh said, “the entire Democrat Party, from Hillary Clinton on down, owes the US military an apology.’’

This was part of the exchange from Limbaugh’s show on Wednesday – the one in which he insists today he was speaking of one “genuine phony soldier,’’ not ‘’phony soldiers’’ in general – though he certainly was speaking in plural then:

CALLER: “And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And'..'''

LIMBAUGH: “There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER: “”Yeah, and, you know what…’’

LIMBAUGH: “"Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.’’

CALLER: “no, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.’’

LIMBAUGH: “The phony soldiers.’’

CALLER: “The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.’’

LIMBAUGH: “They joined to be in Iraq.’’

Sort of like Murtha, who joined the Marines in 1952 and served for nearly four decades.

As Murtha tells it on his congressional Web-site: He “learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits.

“He rose through the ranks to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.

“In 1959, Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for Vietnam in 1966-67, where he served as the S-2 intelligence officer for the 1st Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division and received the Bronze Star with Combat "V", two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry.

“The official notification of award for his Bronze Star and Purple Hearts are available to view here. He remained in the Reserves until his retirement.''

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Comments

Rush would run over the entire military if he thought their was a dollar at the other end. It's not surprising a chicken chickenhawk would dishonor our military veterans.


Limbaugh is so pathetic. Can anyone tell me where and when did Rush serve this country? Or does he only serve himself like he does on his radio show?


This is perfect. The Dittoheads have no choice but to accept that Limbaugh continues to smear men and women who have worn the uniform for this country as "phony soldiers" because they do not agree with his politics. There can be no denying it.

Rush Limbaugh sat out the Vietnam War with a cyst. What a freakin' tough guy. More like a bloated cowardly chickenhawk who nonetheless slanders and slurs men and women infinitely stronger, braver, and tougher than he.


John Murtha was involved in the Abscam case and said I won't do business with you guys until I get to know you better he told the Sheiks. Just looking at him is enough he looks like and old drunk and acts like one in Congress. Jerry White, Springfield, IL P.S. Limbaugh talked about Dickie Durbin and his Soviets in their gulags and Pol Pot, and John F Kerry who he said lied about what he said about our troops and got Swift Boated. Jerry White, Springfield, IL


Murtha was listed in CREW's report, "Beyond DeLay: The 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress (and five to watch)." As reported in the study and by the news media, Murtha has been involved in a number of pay-to-play schemes involving former staffers and his brother, Robert "Kit" Murtha.
SOME HERO!


A journalist covering this story would, golly gee, maybe contact Mr. Limbaugh and ask him what he meant in his remarks.

But not Mark Silva. I wonder why?

Since Mr. Silva won't do the 2 minutes of leg work that any high school newspaper reporter would do, Swamp readers (again) have to. Here's the link to the YouTube video of Limbaugh's actual remarks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Erushlimbaugh%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ftoday%2Eguest%2Ehtml

See for yourself.


IF YOU CAN'T COUNT ON A WEEK WITHOUT A GAY GOP MEMBER COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET, YOU CAN COUNT ON RUSH LIMBAUGH TO COME TO THE GOP RESCUE.

10,000 men and women refused to go back to IRAQ. They were lied to, and I don't know when the Congress took a vote of SENSE OF THE TROOPS.

So Rush Limbaugh can go on sleeping with little kids while taking his GOP COUGH SUPPRESSION aka 'VIAGRA'

He means nothing, just an old blow horn on the radio, talking to people from the 19th Century stuck on hearing medication and wish they could take one viagra before paying their MED PAY BILLS they now incurr.

HE IS THE HYPOCRACY OF THE GOP WHEN THEY SAY


WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS!
WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS 01
WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS 02
WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS 03
WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS 04
WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS 05
WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS 06
WE SUPPORT THE HYPOCRACY OF SAYING WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS!

Rush Limbaugh is just a joke and people shouldn't give him the forum needed to distract us from BLACKWATER, UNANSWERED SUPOENAS, PATREAUS REPORT VS ADMIRAL FALLONS REPORT, DOWNEY STREET MEMOS, GREG PALACE REPORTS FROM INSIDE IRAQ BUT NOT REPORTED ON RUSH LIMBAUGH PETIPHILE SHOW FOR OLD MEN STUCK ON VIAGRA.

As a parent, he should be put in the front of the line with the same amount of bullets as our children.

OUR CHILDREN ARE DYING, NOT RUSH LIMBAUGH. OUR FATHERS AND SONS, OUR MOTHERS AND SISTERS, OUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS ARE DYING,

NOT RUSH LIMBAUGH.


The Goebbels of the Left are perfecting once again their "observations" of Rush's comments. Murtha learned a long time ago, repeat a LIE so many times, that even you start believing it. Rush's comments are over 95% proved correct, can we say that for Herr Murtha?


Murtha has more patriotism in his little toenail than Rush has in his bloated 300 pound body. Fat rednecks who never served a day in their lives shouldn't question the heroics of others who actually served our country honorably. EVERY politician is corrupt, especially Republicans. Sen. Craig is a fine example of those Republican family values. Ha! What a joke.


Rush is AWESOME and he is RIGHT ON!!!

Rush still has not smeared anyone - especially the military. As far as murtha goes - the guy calls his own troops nazi's and he pushed a story about the Haditha case when it wasn't even true!!

I agree with Rush - Murtha is a phony soldier and is selling his badge as soldier for the democrat party.

I'd salute rep murtha - but he hates his country so much and besmearches them any chance he can get.

You want a real besmearching of the soldiers - listen to rep murtha - he's your guy!!

Ever notice how murtha, clinton, ubama, and edwards all sound exactly like ahmadinijad?

Funny - ain't it?


Rush and O'Reilly continue to lie and smear people's names and because they use a bully style of doing it - their idiot audience swallows everything they give them.

Both have been proven time and time again to be lying hypocritical babies. The drug addict and the sexual harrasser.... Conservative values at their finest.


That has absolutely no bearing on his military service does it? Perhaps you would care to tell us about when and where you folks served? There is nothing phony about a person who has served in several shooting wars (the kind where they use bullets, not mouths) and has the medals to prove it. You get the vapors about your pet general being called out on his mendacity, but have absolutely no problem bad mouthing decorated veterans for ideological reasons only. I suggest that you are beneath hypocritical...


Mark Silva,

Quit while your behind.


Are you really sacraficing your jounalistic integrity to buy into an anti right wing frenzy?


All of you above who make excuses for Rush's stupidity are more pathetic than he. And more cowardly. Are you also lying, hypocritic drug attics? Your words indicate that you fit at least two of the three categories. Rush Limbaugh is a lying, drug addicted hypocrite.


For the life of me, I still can't figure out why educated left wingers continue to panic when the left wing media yells "fire" in a crowded movie house.

Are you ever going to get mad at them for this?

Tony, I know you're a smart guy. We've had our battles.

Read your comment again and substitute "Rush and O Reilly" with "Media Matters" or "the left wing media" and see what is going on with your side.

Hold the media accountable.

They are playing you like a fool.

Have you seen Bruce's link and bothered to see Rush's side of the story and how without a doubt, his comments were taken out of context as part of the same type of "smear campaign" you speak of?

Please show more integrity than Mark Silva and admit that is what is at play here. I'd love to have SOME faith in at least one left winger on this board, and I know it ain't going to be John E.

Don't let me down Tony.


"Rush's comments are over 95% proved correct."

Hilarious. Obviously not true. You could include the source of your claim if it were. Didn't Rush whine a few months ago about being tired of carrying water for the greedy incompetent liars that pass for an administration in this country? He has admitted to lying. If you think Rush is a fount of truth, you're either very stupid or you're too lazy to find out what's really going on. You dead-end 30%ers need to get out more and learn a little bit, so our government can stop pretending that being in Iraq is making this country or Iraq any safer or better. The war is just a make-work program for Haliburton and friends. Too bad for Enron they couldn't last long enough, or they'd have a big slice too.


Are you all actually concerned about what RUSH LIMBAUGH said? Really, who cares? He is entitled to his opinion and has a right to express it, regardless of how absurd it is or is not and regardless of what you all think. Further, I am sure you are all bright enough to realize that RUSH LIMBAUGH does not speak for the entire GOP. So perhaps it is worth relaxing the whole "everyone on the right is wrong" viewpoint and take a breath before you spill all your misplaced complaints about politics and war. It only makes you look foolish and suggests you are resigned to follow instead of lead. Think for yourself and form your own, educated opinions or please, stop clogging up "Comment" space on news websites. Thanks!


Limbaugh is a joke, and frankly I'm amazed that anybody from either end of the political spectrum takes him seriously.

However Murtha is a corrupt slob -- and his commendable service and his disabilities suffered during that service -- can't change that fact.

Hmmm... so they both suck.


Rep. Jack Murtha has done more in the last few months to slander the military that he once claimed pride in being a part of than any other member of Congress. He is pretty much in the same league with Sen. John Kerry, who people seem to have forgotten also slandered the military he once served in during the VietNam War. If there was ever an argument for the imposing of Term Limitation on members of Congress, Murtha and Kerry are just two prime examples. I would love to see them face some members of the Armed Forces and explain their actions of late, though I doubt that neither of them have the guts to do so. And for the record, I am a VietNam Era veteran who served with pride in the U.S. Navy in the early 1970's.


Rush Limbaugh just got caught red handed again today. He selectively edited the transcript and audio of the incident to try and lie his way out of the situation. Unfortunately for the draft dodging chickenhawk, originals of both are widely available on the internet.


Did you ever notice that the smear jobs done against Democratic combat veterans are done by GOP Chickenhawk QWERTY Chairborne Internet Commandos?

The only action these chickenhawks ever see is when they're not nice to their moms when asking them to get them a ham sammich so they don't have to get up from behind their keyboards.


Rush Limbaugh is a squealy little wingnut hack who wouldn't know honorable service to his country if it crawled up and bit him in the leg. As a decorated veteran of a foreign war, firmly opposed to our war in Iraq since before it began, I am appalled by his insult. It is something that I will not soon forget.


Radio’s Rush Limbaugh, catching flak for his allusion to “phony soldiers’’ this week, insists he really was speaking of only one “genuine phony soldier’’ at the time.
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This guy credibility has already been questionable ever since he was caught buying drugs under the table. Ever since then and I have stop listening to him. He is nothing but old news trying to shock the public to make a come back and back on the head lines.He is no-body just don't take him serious and watch fat man he will deflate...all wind bags do....


Mark, here are some questions for you to answer:
1. Did or did not Jack Murtha go on record and say Marines raped and killed people in Haditha and that crimes were committed by our Marines?
2. Did or did not Jack Murtha condemn these Marines as guilty before any investigation was completed?
3. Haven't most of these Marines been exonerated of any crimes by now and the remaining ones who were under investigation about to have their record cleared?
4. Isn't Jack Murtha's and the media's attempts to call these Marines murderers and rapers -- and to condemn them as guilty -- no different than what was done to the Duke Lacrosse boys?
5. Are you not being disingenuous in your Swamp posts about Limbaugh?
6. Do you take some of your marching orders from media matters and moveon.org?
7. How regularly do you listen to Limbaugh and do you understand his show and that of much of his listeners?
8. What are your thoughts on Limbaugh and his listeners?

Do I always agree with Limbaugh? No, I do not. Do I agree with him most of the time? Yes.

Is Limbaugh calling soldiers who are against the Iraq War, "phony soldiers"? No, he is not. He is calling those who make up stories about the troops and those who are quick to condemn the troops as "phony soldiers." On that note I agree with him.

Does it appear that he was perhaps calling Chicago Mike a "phony soldier"? Perhaps so. But, Limbaugh also gets a lot of seminar callers, they are Loony Lefters who get trained to call Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham and any other conservative radio show host to say they are one thing, when in reality they are not.


Oh, so now that the left has read what he said they need to back pedal! And Murtha, he is really making me wonder how a man who served seems willing to believe all these terrible things that end up being false about today's soldier. He has supported cowardly resolutions all for political expediency, and as was noted if you didn't like Delay, well it seems Murtha is a at least as big of crook as the left made Delay out to be.

The attack on Rush was stupid, because it is untrue and he had the evidence to prove it. If you make the claim you need to make sure you are right. The left is panicking. Public opinion is beginning to turn and the hard anti war dems are losing votes every time. Your leading presidential candidate is now caught in her duplicity on the war and might actually hand the white house to the GOP. I love it. Scream about Rush all you like. You hate him because he properly calls what you are. And the people are beginning to see that. Yes, he is just a radio talk show host, but if he wasn't hitting so close to home, you wouldn't be screaming so loud. HeHe.


Say what you like about Murtha's ethics now---he still served with honor, and Limbaugh, who's rushing (sorry, pun) around pointing at fake soldiers, forgot to include his own fat, drug-addicted hypocritical self.


To Tony

I can't speak for Mr. Limbaugh because I don't care for him and I don't listen to his show. I am a big fan of Mr. O'Reilly's though. You seem to be convinced that Mr. O'Reilly lies. What proof do you have of that? You seem to feel that smearing people is wrong yet you call him a liar and offer no proof. Could it be that you're the idiot in the audience that believes everything you're told by people who smear without evidence? You say they have been proven time and time again to be lying hypocrites. Where is your proof of that? Is this the mark of Liberal values?


Al Franken had it right. Limbaugh is a big, fat idiot.


Rush is a big fat idiot


Apparently the only way these Republican drones get the vote of a soccer mom or a gun rack in the truck nascar dad is to promise them you'll never let the homos next door get married. I realize there is a portion of society that is so busy watching bad TV and text messaging American Idol 150 times a week that it's hard to get them to pay attention to the more mundane issues facing the nation. Things like the economy or the war or the appalling number of their neighbors that can't afford healthcare don't as a rule show up on the radar screen of the linear thinking simple minded GOP base. The GOP knows this so they keep the attention of their base by using tactics that they know will get said base to react. They "Jerry Springer" them into action. Appeal to their sense of "morality." It always works. The GOP knows these yahoos won't vote unless they can make them believe a gay Arab is going to show up at their door with a bomb and a marriage license. The sad part is that it works all to well. What does it say about us as a nation when 44 million of our citizens can't afford to get sick and families are on the verge of literally going under, yet our government is most worried about whether or not a couple of gay people can get married. I'm not a magician but I think that is what you would call sleight of hand. Get them focused in one direction so you can do the trick while they're not looking.

The truth is I don't like the idea of gay marriage either. Don't get me wrong I am as socially liberal as anyone you'll ever meet. I just can't get used to the idea of gay marriage. My problem is that before I could ever vote for a law or an amendment banning gay marriage I'd need to come up with a legitimate argument for why I am against it. I can't do it. Try as I might to come up with a reason I can't come up with anything other than I just don't like it. Well "I just don't like it" isn't anywhere near good enough and that's the difference. The GOP simpletons don't seem to mind voting for the "just don't like it" card. And that my friends may be one big reason why we are where we are today.

I guess I'll end this by saying what I say to anyone who asks me about gay marriage. I don't like it but until you can show me how it will adversely affect my life in any way shape or form I can't be against it.

Laws should be based on facts. They should be put in place to protect the people. We can't ban something simply because we "just don't like it."

Anti-Gay marriage and Anti-Blacks/Hispanics is what you run on when you don't have any ideas other than fear and your main cheerleaders (Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly) are blatant racists.
The GOP disgusts me.


Rush Limpdong is a tubby doughboy chickenhawk who just like his Repuglican heroes Prez Lone Ranger and Veep-Dick Darth managed to hide from Nam but somehow still manages to talk tough....because he know's that he and none of his family members will ever have to strap it on and "fight them over there in Iraq so they don't have to fight them over here".

Go suck down some more Oxy-contin and Viagra, Doughboy!


Rush Limbaugh, on his best day, is not a fraction of the man John Murtha of Max Cleland is. He talks big, but when confronted with his own words, Rush cuts and runs. Three ex wives cannot be wrong...


Rush is a fat, pathetic, pill popping putz.
I'm glad he's a cheerleader for the Neonuts because represents them so well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVXuKzkHzns&mode=related&search=


I must confess that I have not read many of the above comments, but you all should just remember one fact - all the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who are in Iraq are there because they VOLUNTEERED, not because they were drafted and sent there against their will.

Even Casey Sheehan.


Hey Lefties-

Its funny how you don't ignore the Murtha comments, but say he patriotic. He served and WAS a hero. Now he is succombed to the MOVEON and Mediamatters attention.
This guy should retire.
He doesn't represent the military well. His Haditha comments weren't just over the line, they were really over the line. This guy is in the Congress, making decision for our soldiers fighting and yes, sometimes dieing for us. Rush is a conservative talk show host using the freedom of speech that we enjoy. Lets get some perspective.
Congressman Murtha is currently being sued for his comments from a soldier for defamation of character and I hope that this proceeds through the court system.


While the journalists like Silva and his pals are wetting their pants over misquoting a radio talk show host (think they would be so ga ga over a Matt Lauer or Tim Russert gaffe?), a guy running for president, Democrat John Edwards, said,

"pretty soon we’re not going to have a young African-American male population in America. They’re all going to be in prison or dead. One of the two.”

In other words, JOHN EDWARDS BELIEVES ALL YOUNG BLACK MEN ARE EITHER CRIMINALS OR VICTIMS.

This is the true bigorty of the Left, and Silva is mum about a bigot that wants to be President.

Ah, journalism at its finest.


"A journalist covering this story would, golly gee, maybe contact Mr. Limbaugh and ask him what he meant in his remarks."

Uh-huh. When did Rush ever answer questions a reporter asked him?

If you can't recall a time that he has, for once you are correct, because Rush doesn't respond to questions from the media.


I served also, but does that give me the right to betray the people that are serving now like Murtha did? He is a liar and a traitor! I say this because he said that Americans were doing way more to innocents than was true. Also the ones who have actually harmed civilians were punished to the fullest extent of the law. Murtha, the traitor is presently being sued by a Marine Corps Sargent for defamation on behalf of his fellow soldiers. He will also be called on to testify. Then you will see your hero have to tell the truth for once and admit that he allowed himself to be used by Harry Reed, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Teddy Kennedy.


there is no doubt that Senator John Kerry was a liar about his military career. The swift boat company clearly explained what he did and did not do.

As for Rep. Murtha, he is not in aposition to expound on military policy just because he was in Viet Nam. There were hundreds of thousands of American who served in Viet Nam but do ot know diddly about military options in Iraq or eslewhere. So, don't grant exaulted status to Rep. Murtha. Clearly, don't grant even a hint of respect for Senator Kerry as one who knows anything about the military. His greatest claim to fame is to know how to get out of the military.

And that's the truth.


Like so many conservative commentators Rush is quick to talk the talk having never walked the walk. I mean serving in the military in any capacity. Having served in the military one should remember that once enlisted soldiers do as they are told and not often asked to express their opinions on what they should be doing.

Saying we believe troops should be sent home does not mean we are being unpatriotic. In fact Murtha should be commended for representing the majority of Americans who are opposed to this war that has left 2 million refugees and costs of over 200 billion dollars a year.


Here's the link for the story on Rush ducking the war due to a boil on his ass:

http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp


So, Congressman Murtha can be trusted because of his service (despite the FACT that he was wrong about Haditha), but General Petraeus cannot be trusted, even though he's THERE???


A journalist covering this story would, golly gee, maybe contact Mr. Limbaugh and ask him what he meant in his remarks.

But not Mark Silva. I wonder why?

Since Mr. Silva won't do the 2 minutes of leg work that any high school newspaper reporter would do, Swamp readers (again) have to. Here's the link to the YouTube video of Limbaugh's actual remarks.

See for yourself.

Posted by: Bruce | September 28, 2007 6:17 PM


RNC Brucie,

The gigs up you moron, quit trying to sell Rush's doctored up transcript. His real transcript is already all over the place and it clearly shows Rush calling our troops who are against the war "phony soldiers".


I get a very strong from reading these comments, some of which present salient points from both sides, that this country has lost its sense of statesmanship. There was a time when people could respectfully agree. That time has now passed, and we've become a country of yellers. When I see people calling others "fat" (as if that really has anything to do with the argument) or "drunk" and things that I might expect from fifth graders, and when I see people saying f-you, I have to pretty much discount anything they say from that point on.
The War in Iraq, as all wars, has been difficult, and there are some very difficult issues concerning it that we can only begin to solve when we start behaving like intelligent adults and stop calling each other names simply because we don't agree. After all, we're all supposed to be on the same side.


"Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines in Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians"...Murtha never mentions that very soon all charges will have been dropped againt these Marines. ABSCAM Murtha is as phoney as a John Kerry Purple Heart.


Rush Limbaugh has made a career out of lying and sacking those who don't agree with his over-the-top, righter than right wing viewpoints. Not even James Dobson, who backs anybody who says their conservative has never publicly endorsed this man. How dare someone who never served a day in his life call somone who got wounded serving or country phony. I think Limbaugh is the REAL Anti-American and needs to be deported to Iran.


You Republican Party knuckledraggers are predictable beyond belief.

You can never own up to one of your own dittoheads (Rush Limpdong) stupidity without trying to blame it on someone else(Congressman Murtha), can you?

Limpdong said it and here's the transcript:
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=622

General BETRAY US made himself a political figure in 2004 when he did an op-ed in the Washington Post in support of George W. Bush's re-election....and the White House lapdog told us that we were "winning in Iraq" back then too:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49283-2004Sep25.html

The full Rush dribble, piddle:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?src=item200709270010


joltinjoe, You obviously have your lies mixed up with your facts. The only fact about the "Swift Boat Vets For Truth" is none of them even SERVED in Sen. Kerry's platoon. That was backed by numerous members of his crew shortly after the slander aired who had never even HEARD of the guys who claimed to be swift boaters at the time Sen. Kerry was there. Sadly, Sen. Kerry was too much of a gentleman to call the liars out and call Bush, who backed them along with Karl Rove, liars for airing the ads. If he had, we would not be in this debacle we're in today in Iraq, Osama BinLaden, the REAL 9/11 mastermind would be dead like he should be and we would not have to worry about weather America is safe or not.


Clearly MacBeth deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor and Jack Murtha would be perfect to get that ball rolling for him. As a matter of fact, maybe Murtha could also apologize to MacBeth on behalf of all Americans for the pain and suffering this blow to his character has caused.


I think the people writing aritlces like this are the phony's.

It's ok with you that Murtha insinuates that our soldiers are committing war attrocities. That's ok.

But when someone suggests that a truly phony soldier is a phony. That's a big problem.

If Limbaugh did insinuate in some way that Murtha is a phony soldier he was being way to kind to your boy.

I have to ask you people that read this rubbish, Why do you support the Democrat party?

The more I hear the details of what these people say and do the more I come to the conclusion that this is an anti-american party.

There used to be an idea of truth, justice and the american way but it's not to be found in the modern Democrat party.

Of course they have had a strong hold on the national media for as long as I can remember so maybe it's a brainwashing / propoganda type thing. The more you hear the same stuff the more you accept it - blindly.

Approve this if you dare!


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Now, said so please check the posts again because I see some getting through with words -- someone just censoring the GOP posts or GOP people use better language?
“All of you above who make excuses for Rush's stupidity are more pathetic than he. And more cowardly. Are you also lying, hypocritic drug attics? Your words indicate that you fit at least two of the three categories. Rush Limbaugh is a lying, drug addicted hypocrite.

Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | September 28, 2007 7:10 PM “


Two of my nephews were in Iraq 2 years ago and they said that the Rush Limbaugh show was always playing during their meal times. As soldiers, they felt like they were being brainwashed by it.

Limbaugh is a tool of persuasion and when you see it that way, it's even funnier. He IS a big buffoon and he's being used by this administration just as much as the young soldiers are.


"As for Rep. Murtha, he is not in aposition to expound on military policy just because he was in Viet Nam."
Posted by: joltinjoe | September 29, 2007 12:03 AM

Uh, didn't I read that he served 37 years? I think he may know a thing or two.

"Clearly, don't grant even a hint of respect for Senator Kerry as one who knows anything about the military. His greatest claim to fame is to know how to get out of the military."

Replace "Senator Kerry" with "President Bush" and you will have a factual post. The Swift Boat thing was a sham.


Public opinion is beginning to turn and the hard anti war dems are losing votes every time.
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Funniest line of the day


I never thought I would see the day but, I can now add The Chicago Tribune to the ranks of the, "Drive by Media", the media that “reports” without regard for the facts or truth.

Tribune, why not make the effort to go to Mr. Limbaugh's website? The transcript is on page 1.

You have no one to blame for your inaccuracies but yourself.


Is anybody editing this weblog for vulgar language, obscenities and the like? Letting someone use the F-word in this discourse is as objectionable as in the print version of the Tribune where it is not allowed. I suggest you follow the example of the San Francisco Chronicle which provides readers with a place to flag an entry, subject to the editor's review, of obscenities, personal attacks and vulgarities. Frankly, many entries in this entire blog are disgusting and eventually will destroy the value of such a medium for reasoned discussion.


Joltinjoe: you're an idiot. Plain, old-fashioned, tiny-brained idiot. Why do people like you even open their mouths? Don't you know that what comes out is just blather?

But I agree: why would someone who served for forty years as an officer (do you know where in the ranks colonel is Joltin?) know anything about military policy?

That stuff should be left to overweight, drug-addicted radio personalities who never served in the military at all.

Colonel indeed. Guy probably thinks he was almost a general...


Do you believe The Lord Jesus Christ died and rose again for your sins?


Do you guys screen your comments when someone from the left uses their four letter words to denounce the mean old right wing? Is it ok if I say (an obscene insult) in this post like Rick from Sneads Ferry, NC did at 7:10PM yesterday to express his dismay with Rush Limbaugh and his supporters? Or did you just not get to it yet since its only been 12 hours? This website smells of the usual lefty liberal bias. And you guys all wonder why the more conservative end of the political spectrum continues to feel it must get its news from other sources instead of putting up with the constant brainwashing tactics of the "mainstream" media.

(Swamp note: No it is not OK, and the offending comment was removed. Sometimes the offensive slips through, and when it does, it is removed.)


Does it surprise anyone that Limbaugh is a gutless moron? Just like his ultimate idol - "Dubya" who served so proudly (NOT) in the Alabama militia.

What pathetic excuses for humans.


Have you ever noticed
When you're feeling really good
There's always a pigeon
That'll come shit on your hood

Or yor're feeling your freedom
And the world's off your back
Some cowboy from Texas
Starts his own war in Iraq


If rush "oxicontin" snotbaumb and o'reill unfactual were saiing down the Potomac River and the boat sank, which 1 would come to the top of the water first. No one would ever guess cause you could not tell the thousands of floating turds in the water apart


Name one Democrat who supports the troops everyday more than Rush.
Rush is a true patriot.
Murtha is a true phony soldier.


Rush,

Your comments test positive for drugs! Please seek help. Rehab is waiting!


Rule #1: RUSH IS GOD!!!!

Rule #2: If you are a hyperventilating, military-hating, Bush Derangement Syndrome survivor who hates Rush Limbaugh, please refer to rule #1.


dick durban called our troops Nazis on the senate floor and a half ass I'm sorrry got him off the hook and as far as Murtha his Military record is great but his record as a politican is very crooked ..So people All public figures cast shadows..


let's see.... as I read all the comments to this point. The libs resort to name calling w/o facts and the righties tries to reason with that. Is that even possible?


After to listening to both of Rush's radio programs in question....

It's an obvious case of reporters/congressmen not doing ANY research before screaming at the top of their lungs.

Day 1: Rush only referred to the MacBeth character. Sounds bytes taken wayyyy out of context, very typical.

Day 2: referred to MacBeth and the other nutjob, and alluded to Murtha's slandering of Marines accused of murder. Nothing he said was factually incorrect.

But it seems many of you take TV news....and congressmen at face value without learning some facts.

The whiny left wing strikes again, shows how scared they are of Rush and talk radio in general.

Why don't they go back to their holes and figure out more ways to apply Soviet-style policies to America.


Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | September 28, 2007 7:10 PM

TRIB, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS POST.

SOMEONE AT THE TRIB REALLY BLEW THIS ONE. THAT TYPE OF PROFANITY HAS TO BE BLOCKED.

WHO DROPPED THE BALL? WHO IS IN CHARGE OF EDITING THESE FOR "CONTENT"?


Mark Silva and phony patriots like him could care less about Jack Murtha's service or anybody else that has served in the military. This article is just a cheap attempt to smear the most popular talk show host in America by misinterpreting and frankly failing to listen to what was actually said. If Mark wants to spotlight those that criticized those serving in the military, then I look forward to that article that should include the names of Sen. Dick Durbin, Sen. Barack Obama, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry.


Is there any doubt why media, in general and the Chicago Tribune, specifically, continue to lose money, influence and credibility?


Doesn't anyone realize that there are very real issues to deal with at this point. We all spend so much time arguing over whether or not "rush" lies, or "murtha" lies.

News Flash! They both lie. I don't want to sound to dramatic or too cynical, but this system is deeply flawed.

Rush's extreme points of you - like those of moveon.org - simply stand in the way of making things "better".

I don't pretend to know the answers, but I am certain that the answer will not be found in ranting on Rush or Moveon.org. It seems that the truth might be better be served by ignoring them.


What I would really love is for people to hammery on all these folks (like Bush and Cheney and Rush) who looove to send our men and women to die for no reason (this criminal war) who never, ever served in the military. So easy to send the other guy's son over to get his legs blown off or die. With Rush's verifiable comment about phony soldiers, including critics of the war who have since been killed in combat he's gone to a new low. (By the way, someone actually defended Rush on here by telling us to go look at the transcript -- on Rush's own web site! LOL!!!) Let's hammer this in the media: Rush has said that he received his 4F physical deferment from the draft because of "a football knee from high school." Which is actually not true. In reality, Rush got his deferment because of a pilonidal cyst, which is a congenital incomplete closure of the neural groove at the base of the spinal cord in which excess tissue and hair may collect, causing discomfort and discharge. Not as good a story as a football knee, but a pilonidal cyst it was.

Now's the time everyone: spread it loud:

RUSH'S SERVICE SORELY MISSED
'CAUSE HE HAD AN ANAL CYST...

RUSH'S SERVICE SORELY MISSED
'CAUSE HE HAD AN ANAL CYST...

Repeat till the cowardly loser shuts the hell up about any soldier, ever.


Rush Limbaugh first said "phony soldiers". Soldiers is plural. Therefore, when he said he was only talking about one person he was contradicting himself.

Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat, Cysty Arsed, Draft Dodging Pillbilly!


Rush 'The Hush' Limburger;
His nauseating presence spreading through the culture like a sickening sour cloud of putrid flatulence.


All you supporters of this occupation of Iraq have the blood of thousands on your hands-and it doesn't wash off easily.


Roman B, Limbaugh has been interviewed by reporters lots of times and usually every year goes on Tim Russert's cable show for an hour-long discussion. It's also one of Russert's highest rated programs when he has Limbaugh on.

As far as the Limbaugh "phony soldier" issue, yes Mark Silva has been taking things out of context, probably because he is just taking his cue from media matters and moveon.org. Also the Tribune is bought and paid for by the Democratic National Committee.
The folks in the so-called mainstream media are no different in attitude or thought as the editorial staff at Colorado State University student newspaper

You think you're going to get objective reporting from crap journalists like that?? I went to school with the Mark Silvas and Frank James. I know their mindset.


Is this an article, editorial or blog? Yes, Murtha was a Marine, but the writer leaves out that Murtha accused marines of murder without all the facts (and refuses to apologize now that he's been proven wrong), not to mention that when the going gets tough Murtha wants to retreat and/or surrender. Those are traits of a phony soldier. There are also too many personal comments to be a genuine news article so it must be a blog or editorial. Example of a personal comment within the body - "the one in which he insists today he was speaking of one “genuine phony soldier..." Then again liberal news reporters can never seem to report the facts without additing their own comments or personal views. All in all, a very poor example of "journalism" but a great example of the "skills" it takes to be a liberal "journalist."


The left has said progress in the war would be bad for them politically, they’ve smeared Gen Petraeus, and now they have nothing better to do than dump on a radio talk-show host with no real power because he is against fakers pretending to be vets. Some of these fakers have lied about murdering people while supposedly in uniform, which supports some people on the left who believe (and say) our troops are slaughtering innocents on purpose.

Tell me exactly how the left believes this is supporting the troops?


1.did or did not certain people go on record and say OJ Simpson killed two people?
2.did or did not certain people condemn OJ guilty before an investigation or a guilty verdict?
3.hasn't OJ been found innocent in criminal court? yet did he or didn't he have to pay in civil court would it be because he might have committed these crimes but did not meet the high standard of proof where one can get off on a technicality?
4.why do some people still feel the need to call him a murdered when he was found innocent of murder?
5.wasn't OJ's and the media's attempts to call those who went on record against OJ racists -- and condemn them as such -- no different then what happened to the Duke Lacrosse boys?
6.why would soldiers be exonerated in a military court (not criminal law not civil law) during an unpopular and controversial war here and in the world?
7.would it be bc they committed these crimes but other factors (particular to the courts jurisdiction) have diminished and relinquished them of the responsibility?
8.why would the difficult circumstances surrounding the issue (see six) make this an issue where someone would feel the need to speak out against such individuals who probably committed a crime but just weren't found guilty?
9.is it possible that the same reasons that diminish their responsibility in a military court (war combat nature of job description) at the same time can lead any one person to feel that the probability of these crimes taking place is more than likely?
10.are you saying that everyone who is exonerated pardoned or found innocent did in fact commit no crime? or do the nuances escape you particular to any given situation?
10.are you being disingenuous?


It is a disgraced insult to almost all english fluent Americans thinking when rush lumgard says phoney soldier"s" and crawfishs and states he was talking about 1, not plural phoney soldiers! I maybe wrong about this cause rush the rusher may have been under the influence of doctor shopping over prescribed medications. Habitually exceeding the doseage of pain and anti-depression drugs has a tendency to cause a speach inpediment and cause slurring of speach. Give the guy credit for a dry night of sleep trying to correct his englissssssssssssah.


Some of the "people" making trash mouth comments here would be great followers of the clown Ahmadinejad...empty headed parrots. It's to bad that the TRUTH doesn't MATTER to MediaMatters.


It makes you wonder if our Democrats like Edwards get this simple verifiable news story WRONG, how many other even more complicated issues do they get WRONG....HUUUUUUH?


Liam, if "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat, Cysty Arsed, Draft Dodging Pillbilly!" then what is the liberal hero bill clinton?

Dalton, if "All you supporters of this occupation of Iraq have the blood of thousands on your hands-and it doesn't wash off easily," then what about liberals who say the place was better off with Hussein?

RB-Chicago, why is military service suddenly so important and honorable to libs?

John E, the dems were discounting Petraus (sp) even before he gave his report (that they required). So of course they weren't going to support any of it.

Bottom line - libs can't argue facts because facts don't support their views.


Twenty million people listen to Rush on the radio weekly. Most all of his listeners have heard him praise our men and women in the military very many times. The military members voted to keep his broadcast because they know his sentiments. Rush is no Don Imus. His supporters aren't about to pretend "We never knew!"


Reality Check.

President Bush got to run his Iraq War all his way. He got every penny of funding that he asked for, and through 2006 he was fully supported by the Republican majority in both US House and US Senate.

OK folks, ask yourself this: Since President Bush and the Republican Party have had full control of every aspect of how the Iraq invasion and occupation has been run, and they have received all the funding that they have requested, what has stopped them from getting the job done?

The US defeated two super powers in a real world war in far less time than the Republicans have been trying to accomplish something in Iraq.

The Limbaughs of the world are constantly bloviating about how important it is that the USA achieve victory in Iraq. Well, since the Republicans have had complete control of every aspect of the operations from day one, and have received all the funds that they have every asked for, what has stopped them from getting the job done.

As we speak, the world's greatest super power, with the world's best military, is being made to look pathetic and desperate by a bunch of rag tag third world lunatics. Who is to blame for that?

When is Limbaugh and his ditto head crowd going to face up to the fact that President Bush and the Republican Leaders got to do Iraq their way, all their way, and have made a complete mess of their so called "cakewalk".

Can you say Gross Incompetence, boys and girls?


To the Bush and Cheney families and their "supporters" aka the chickenhawk Republican keyboard warriors on here and all those scream-radio hosts and Fox Noise talking heads:


Our brave leaders and their outspoken supporters have to face risks every day that the phony soldiers having a ball over in the Middle East would just not understand:
--It's raining and where's the limo?
--It's hard work signing vetoes.
--It's hard work squinting at the teleprompter and trying to remember what you are supposed to be saying.
--Jenna's party dress got ruined when some dork opened a bottle of champagne next to it.
--Cheney forgot the combination to the lock on his huge safe in his office.


Dear Jim A.,

Bill Clinton is not a liberal hero. He opened the floodgates of outsourcing to China, cut corporate taxes and didn't follow through on any of his promises to improve life for the middle class. He, like Johnson, Nixon, Regan, Bush, etc. paid Billy Graham as a "spiritual" advisor. He balanced the budget, but that's easy to do when america is drunk on all the surplus value coming in from the first wave of outsourcing and consumer credit spending. The slump we're seeing now, with manufacturing jobs disappearing, consumer base shrinking and houses foreclosing, is in a large part clinton's fault.

This isn't about libs or cons.

Murtha is clearly a man who's done things the average man would sh*t himself over, all in the service of someone else. It's very brave and altruistic. That commands respect, whether you're liberal, conservative or just plain crazy.


I see the the Republican drones are now all over the place claiming that Democrats have no sense of humor.
Everything is a joke, it's that famous Rethuglican "sense of humor" where you mock dead people, poison supreme court justices and invite terrorists to blow up cites.
Rush is the funniest guy in the world, don't ya know? Forget that Seinfeld hack, it's Rush!


Mr. Silva seems to be a practicing Legacy Media LM)"journalist".

The LMs, ABC, NBC, CBS & their subroutines, misstate information and the unedited third wave (Mr. Silva, I presume) run with the wrong information because it makes them feel good, and they have no idea why.

Even when you read, or hear, Limbaugh's 'phony soldier' remarks, you cannot miss the fact that he was originally referring to one phony soldier, Jesse MacBeth. In the conversation with the caller, the caller adds another to the roster and Limbaugh then impugns the king of the soldier bashers, Rep. Murtha.

Murtha acted in the exact same way the evil 88 at Duke University. They signed a 'hang'em high' document before the accused students were indicted. 87 of them will not apologize, withdraw or revise their position, even after the students were found "innocent" (a first I believe) and the DA put in jail.

Now that all but one soldier has been cleared (and it looks like will be cleared as well, Murtha will not apologize, withdraw or revise his position.

Murtha was a hero 40 years ago and he is still entitled to honor he receives, but his service in no way excuses his premature judgmentalism and it does not make anything he says true or worthwhile.

The adults will understand this.


"Rush's comments are over 95% proved correct, can we say that for Herr Murtha?

Posted by: John Provensen | September 28, 2007 6:23 PM "


Mr. Provensen, please provide links to PROOF that backs up your allegation above or admit that you just made up this "statistic".


ATTENTION SWAMP RATS!

Please disregard comments by people who call themselves "anonymous", if they don't have the courage to at least use a post name they should not be involved in any discussions on here, thankyou.

Rush is putz!


REALITY CHECK to you idiots that think that Rush Limbaugh isn't the biggest liar and "disinfortainer" of all time. This is just one of hundreds of his blatant lies:

LIMBAUGH: "Don't let the liberals deceive you into believing that a decade of sustained growth without inflation in America [in the '80s] resulted in a bigger gap between the haves and the have-nots. Figures compiled by the Congressional Budget Office dispel that myth." (Ought to Be, p. 70)

REALITY: CBO figures do nothing of the sort. Its numbers for after-tax incomes show that in 1980, the richest fifth of our country had eight times the income of the poorest fifth. By 1989, the ratio was more than 20 to one.

More from "The Way Things Aren't" by FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting):

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895

These examples are dated, but never fear, Rush is the gift that keeps on giving. Nary a day goes by when he doesn't "step in it", like the story above.


Kimi, you're right of course. Rush and anon are well known putzs'. Anon likes dog torture and thinks only African Americans are practioners.

There is nothing stupider than a Republic.


ATTENTION SWAMP RATS!

Please disregard comments by people who feel that a post name on the internet involves some type of courage. Last time I checked "anonymous @ such and such a time" is no braver then "Arnold Schwarzenegger" or "Bobby Butch, Springfield Illinois." They are unverifiable. Thank you.

This whole topic has been churned inside out, people. We've got all the basis covered. Time to move on.


Military Spouse,

No one even believes you are a real person. You may be Bruce or Jeff or Bill.


This whole topic has been churned inside out, people. We've got all the basis covered. Time to move on.


Posted by: Anony Mous the II | September 29, 2007 8:12 PM


Did someone here appoint you the leader?

You're a sad and lonely little dweeb and no one likes you.

You know I'm right.


"No one even believes you are a real person."

No one, or just you?

That's too bad. It's sad that you would say that becaue you disagree with my opinion.

Sad and pathetic.

Send me an email address or something and I'll send you a copy of my military ID (with the SSAN and other private data blacked out).


How many of you Rush supporters were in the military? Or are eligible to go to Iraq right now?
Or do you all have anal cyst?



LIMBAUGH: “There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER: “”Yeah, and, you know what…’’
......................................................

"What's in it for the United States to pull out? "

.......................................................

rush doesn't think saving American lives means anything at all...

heh...



This is from one of the "phoney soldiers."

http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-deal.html

Robert S. Finnegan
Southeast Asia News
seanews1@yahoo.com


Did someone here appoint YOU the leader? Touchy. Huh. Your reading too much into what really was an opinion summing up the whole thread for me. You don't need me to tell you when to stop. I know you know I'm right. If you read that much into it, you read too much into it.


'military spouse'

Yeah, like I would give you my email address.

Having actually been in the military I know the value of presenting a low profile.


Rush Limbaugh, unlike those who he attacks, is too much a coward to serve the country that was so unfortunate as to be his home. In attacking anyone who has, unlike him, risked their lives in defense of this country, he gives aid and comfort to our enemies. There is a word for that.


I'm tired of this Chicken Hawk Bulls--t. For Carl, You need to stop identifying yourself as a " Vietnam Era Veteran" I served with the Navy. You had your chance to go on the ground with us, and obvously you didn't! How come there are SO MANY veterans that never set foot on Vietnamese soil talkin trash? WE should do this and WE should do that!Either your a Vietnam Veteran or you're not! Sgt. John Stenmo drafted 1-18-1966 "The Cav is forever, Son


John Murthat accused soldiers of killing innocent Iraqis in COLD BLOOD.

Some of those he accused have not been exonerated.

Is there anybody here who thinks calling someone a "phony soldier" is a greater smear than calling a REAL SOLDIER a "cold-blooded killer"?

Is there anybody here who thinks a person who SAYS they support our troops, but falsely accuses them of war crimes, is a PHONY?

John Murtha was a real soldier, who fought in a real war.

Now he's just a phony congressman, falsely accusing soldiers of murder and war crimes.

I'm certain there are many soldiers who oppose the war, and who would be willing to speak out truthfully against the war?

So why does the left latch onto people who make up stories, like John Murtha's "cold-blooded killers" story, Jesse MacBeth's war crimes charges, and Scott Thomas who while a real soldier, had to admit that he made up his stories of atrocities, and wasn't even IN Iraq for much of what he said happened there?

I guess it's because the real soldiers aren't compelling enough, because they won't lie about war crimes like the phony soldiers will.

I still laugh at the picture of "Iraq Vets Against the War" marching in a parade -- only it turns out they were all civilians who had bought uniforms to pretend they were soldiers.


I was listening to Rush's show on that day. I served in the Marine Corps for five years during Clinton (traitor). I knew exactly what Rush was talking about. He was not talking soldiers who are honorable. He was specified the phonies, Mertha being one of them, and a traitor also.


"How many of you Rush supporters were in the military? Or are eligible to go to Iraq right now?
Or do you all have anal cyst?"

US Army 21 years.
No.
Two surgeries while on active duty.

FYI: It's called a pilonidal cyst.


"Having actually been in the military I know the value of presenting a low profile."

Posted by: C.Morris | September 30, 2007 6:23 PM


Too bad you don't know the value of real debate.

Someone says something you agree with, you're a nice old guy who used to be in the military.

Say something you don't like, and the name calling starts. You attack the messenger and you charge he/she isn't a real person.

Can't debate the facts? Too bad.

Sorry you were offended by someone sticking up for the military. The military you 'claim' you were in.


Though I don't lean as much to the right as I used to, I'm still amazed at how much liberals like to spout off on things they've read or heard with no regard for truth or context. Rush wins this round.


Why did Media Maters leave this part of the transcript out, continued from the same call:

"Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque." Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth."


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So you see, moonbats, we conservatives have to admit not one thing, except that you are the propagandists.


I can not stand these ignorant leftist Democrats. I respect Representative Murtha for his military service to this country, but that doesn't mean I have to respect him otherwise. He is one of the worst members of congress and should have been in jail over 25 years ago for his part in Abscam. I don't care if he turned in two others, that doesn't mean you're just off the hook. He does not support the troops. If he did, he would support the troop's goal in winning the war. You can't support the troops and want them to withdraw because to support the troops you have to support their goals and to support their goals you have to support the war. The only reason these liberals brought up what Limbaugh said was to 1. Make Limbaugh look bad by twisting his words. 2. To distract everyone from the fact the war is going well and that they were wrong. Hypocrites. They won't condemn the "Betray us" ad because if they do they get no more money from Moveon.org, but Limbaugh saying "phony soldiers". 'He was only talking about actual phony soldiers, but lets make everyone think he was talking about all the soldiers.' 11% approval rating, no wonder they're trying to distract everyone.


Mark Silva, you unethical fool. Limbaugh doesn't even come close to calling Murtha a "fake soldier".
He clearly established his definition of fake soldiers with Jesse MacBeth and Scott Thomas. These are frauds who were shown to have lied and exaggerated about their own service.
In the case of Murtha, he's clearly talking about Murtha blindly accepting fake stories about non-existent atrocities. In no way does he even imply that Murtha has faked his military service.
If you possessed a shred of decency, you would pass up this latest opportunity to jump on the liberal bandwagon, and actually show an ability to think for yourself. Hoping for a little too much, aren't I?


Silva's reply: Even Limbaugh couldn''t worm his way out of this one: Read the comments about genuine phony soldiers on Friday. He said Jesse MacBeth was not the only one. Take so and so, and take Murtha, he said. What don't you get? And why can't you sign your own posting?


CALLER: “They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.’’

LIMBAUGH: “They joined to be in Iraq.’’
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Rush thinks they joined to be in Iraq?! He is out of touch with everything but his bank account and his Oxy-Contin. Rush is the biggest phony of all, he's a draft dodger and he should just take his anal cyst home and shut up.


"Silva's reply: Even Limbaugh couldn''t worm his way out of this one: Read the comments about genuine phony soldiers on Friday. He said Jesse MacBeth was not the only one. Take so and so, and take Murtha, he said. What don't you get? And why can't you sign your own posting?"

What a weak response Mark.
You can't weseal your way out of this.

You clearly participated in a smear campaign by taking someone out of context. The evidence is OVERWHELMING. Why can't you fess up?

You even aknowledge "Jesse McBeth" in Rush's transcript!!!!! So you obviously knew that is who he was talking about, yet failed to include that in your supposed "update"


Silva's further note: We reported at length on this last week, inclduing a posting on Friday which detailed the Jesse MacBeth story -- noting that Limbaugh was saying that is who he was speaking of, despite what he had said earlier in the week. We noted again today that he said he was speaking of a certain phony soldier. Read a little more closely, and you'll find his story is represented here.


Why didn't you include the entire transcript (that media matters now admits was there) in your "updated" version?

Sure you've printed what Rush's defense was, but don't back it up with the facts that are clearly there. Yet you continue with this brand of yellow journalism.

You know what. Forget it.

Having fun and complaining about bias in the media is one thing....having the realty of it stare at me in the face is another.

Over and out.


Rush is in it for the money just like all the big name pundits.
Crucifying a politician for their political stance is fine but to denigrate their service is plain wrong. That is what the far right doesn't get at all -- some feel that blogging and name calling is their patriotic contribution.
But let's be honest, Rush, Ann, Malkin, Dkos, et all are in this for the money.the only way to stay relevant is to be controversial. The fact that few ever get that they are being led by the nose is just another example of how poor our education system has become.


This Limbaugh person should be removed from broadasting for the hate he pushes. People hearing this propoganda so many hours a day get really bent out of shape-remove the cause and let the people prove they have the answer to this problem


“The phony soldiers." hmm!
is this comment wrong regardless of who it's referring to?? appearently it is to those who dislike limbaugh. the statement did not refer to anyone specific, but to those who fit the definition of "phony."

like who? like Jesse MacBeth, who stoked opposition to the war last year speaking out about atrocities he committed as an Army Ranger. like MacBeth’s. MacBeth had finished only six weeks of Army basic training, was never a Ranger and never deployed in Iraq. After conservative bloggers exposed him last year, he faced further trouble: Pleading guilty in June in federal court in Seattle to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.

now would it be incorect to refer to Jesse MacBeth as a phony soldiers (before you answer, take note of the paragraph above. especially the part about jesse pleading. guilty to making a false statement).

now as for murtha, his service to the country was and should continue to be honored. but is murtha entitled to lifetime immunity regardless of his actions. no reasonable person would think he is.

but limbaugh said, “The phony soldiers(plaural)" so, he was talking about more than one person. again, if you note his comment was in reply to a callers comment, it replyed to no one specific.

but are there other "phony soldiers?" or is jesse the only one??

well lets see. How about Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in the New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines in Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?

what's worse? jesse, thomas and murtha denigrating our soldiers, or limbaugh refering to their lie.

are jesse, thomas, and murthy phonies? what does "phony" mean?

Giving a false impression of truth or authenticity; specious.
Not honest or truthful; deceptive: a phony excuse.

do they meet the definetion?? YES. yes big time.



"This Limbaugh person should be removed from broadasting for the hate he pushes. People hearing this propoganda so many hours a day get really bent out of shape-remove the cause and let the people prove they have the answer to this problem

Posted by: Dessie Howey | October 1, 2007 10:34 PM "

It's kind of funny, seeing someone complain about hate speech that they've never heard.

I know you've never heard Limbaugh's hate speech because he doesn't do hate speech.

I take it the "progressive" definition of hate speech is anything that doesn't support the "progressive" agenda.

I have Rush on in the background almost every day. I have never heard any hate speech.

Than again, I may not know what hate speech is.

Would one of you "progressive" types post an actual Rush Limbaugh hate speech quote. I don't want to be in the dark on this.

TIA

Mover

PS: Wanting to censor the opposition is very Stalinist. It fits "progresses to a "T".


Rush just called an injured vet a "suicide bomber", knowing full well the man was injured by a suicide bomber. LOL. Rush does his homework - he wanted to hit this phony lib soldier where it would hurt most. Good job, Rush. I applaud you and agree with you. Democrats are phony soldiers! I also agree with you that only republican troops should get body armor! The rest are good for human shields and target practice.


"PS: Wanting to censor the opposition is very Stalinist."

So is that your view of the resolution condemning MoveOn.org?


Just amazing that our political machine gets this clogged up over such a nothing comment when they should be trying to improve and protect the country instead of wailing like mean stupid children over something that has no impact on their duties to the american people. I'm among the tax payers who employ these people and I'm more than a little disgusted that they are pursuing personal vendettas on my clock! I'd fire an employee who spent so little time at their actual job. Mr. Limbaugh, whom I don't always agree with, referred to an individual, McWhatever-his-name is, who is a scumbag and has most certainly contributed to American soldier's deaths in Iraq when his YouTube video, full of inflamatory lies about attrocities against Muslims, was translated and played on television in the middle east. Anyone who gives this misguided attack (Left against Limbaugh) any credibility or support is a moron. Good thing I'm not a talk show host or now some of you would try to ruin my career and reputation. GO USA!


Phony Soldiers??? The biggest phony soldier is the one who joined Texas National Guard so that he wouldn't have to fight the real battles in Vietnam.


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