Hey John McFinished, the Dems will apologize the same time the Repugs apologize for Ari Fleischer's lying ads....never:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adiENFw07k0

What goes around comes around, Wingnuts.

Wow, the GOP sounds as pathetic as the Dems used to sound.

How the mighty fall.

I'm disappointed that McCain thought they would take a pro-military stand when they think it's disadvantageous politically to do so.
The majority of Democrats and swing voters will suffer in silence till election time comes.

I have not heard anyone deny the substance of Moveon's brief against Petraeus. The play on his name was an obvious attention getter and perhaps in bad taste. The information about this political general who campaigned for Bush in 2004 was accurate. I would like to see the information published in ever paper in America so people would see that Petraeus is the successor to Colin Powell as Bush's "dog robber".

There is a very obvious reason both sides use these over-the-top attacks: they put small amounts of money down (what, 75K for this add?) and it gets replayed over and over on all the major news channels. It is cheap and sensational and effective.

Seems to me that MoveOn
should be moved out!
Our soldiers from the top
to the bottom need ALL OF
OUR SUPPORT NOW during this
difficult time.
As for the Democratic canidates renouncing this
dream on-they will not be
happy until we quit and give up this fight against
the forces of darkness.
If anyone at Move On.org thinks they can do a better
job in Iraq then speak up
and if not shut up and crawl back under the rocks
you came from!

McCain needs to understand that his generation is the past. The country has Moved On.

The Demoncraps continue to show that party and ideology come before country and the men and women who fight for this country. Most of the Demoncraps hate the military anyway, from Harry "Land Deals" Reid to Nany Peloooozi to Dickie Durbin to Maxine Waters to the Queen B herself and her scoundrel husband to well almost all of them. It's not in their interests or on their agenda to denounce Moveon.org or to support the military.

And, Frank, please, if this was some Republican issue, you would be writing till your knuckles fell off that they should renounce that Republican group. Heck, it might even rival all the posts from last year about George Allen and macacca!

So why are the republicans still whining about some ad calling the general a bad name? Hmmm, could it be to divert our attention from the abysmal state Iraq is in because of generals like this?

Move on!

Yes the majority of people oppose the war, but very few of the war's opponents question Petraus' integrity. All this ad accomplished was alienating many of the Iraq wars opponnents MoveOn really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Sure, republicans love to support the army unless they dodge the draft or weasle their way in & thru the national guard.

The swiftboating of a veteran is no less shameful then the MoveOn ad, so why don't you conservatives quit crying, look in the mirror, & notice who really doesn't support the troops & dislikes America. It's all about me 1st, everything else 2nd.

It looks to me that any high ranking general that showed any independence or 'integrity' got the ax.

'Must....tow.....line...'

Petraeus my be honestly stating his opinion, but the sad fact is this;
Careerism and political favoritism are rife in upper grades of our military.

It's true of any three star or higher rank.

Anyone who believes that the surge is a success (because it reduced sectarian violence to the levels of 2006) must have john D.isease.

Petraeus is much more of a politician than a soldier.

...actually, McCain should apologize for pandering the far right wing, aptly named 'movement' Christians.

He lost the election there, hey?

You "have not heard any one deny the substance of moveon's "brief" against Patraeus"?? Absolute rubish. You haven't been listening or reading. Almost every statement made by moveon has been proved a lie.

Bill H, Petraeus is a decorated soldier and war hero. But I will say this, he has more humanity than you'll ever have, more intelligence than you'll ever have, more character than you'll ever have, more decency than you'll ever have, and more good than you'll ever know.

Posted by: John D | September 12, 2007 4:31 PM

You are absolutely bonkers!! And of course a hypocrite.

Why would the dems condemn move on.org, they are just speaking what the dems don't have the 'nads to say.

Almost every statement made by moveon has been proved a lie.

Posted by: Margaret J

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I haven't seen it. Show me.
I notice you don't offer any meaningful rebuttal

Bill H, Petraeus is a decorated soldier and war hero.
Posted by: John D | September 12, 2007 9:10 PM

More insanity from the worst mankind has to offer (is that correct john Doofus?).

I will borrow the phrase "you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts." In fact, Petraeus' first combat assignment was in 2003 as a major general.

From someone who has been there I can tell you that generals in combat areas are mostly in the rear, with the gear. They do tend to decorate themselves though.

Why would the dems condemn move on.org, they are just speaking what the dems don't have the 'nads to say.

Posted by: Terry | September 12, 2007 10:41 PM

Similar to the repugs letting BOR, mAnn Coulter, Glenn Beck and others reveal the wingnuts' true feelings. So it's all good.

Bill H., Petraeus also is a deocrated Vietnam Vet. Clearly, if you were in the military, never made it past shoe polisher for the troops.

I don't agree with some of the labels laid out by moveon.org and think they are somewhat over the line in general with their statement although I do think the General's report was mostly spin and much of the numbers were skewed in how they were developed. However, I find the Republican response to the content a little humerous in that, not one Republican (including John McCain) found it necessary to stand up and refute the shameful personal attacks on Max Cleland (a true American hero) for political gain, over the line statements by Hannity, Colter, Limbaugh, and other dear to the heart conservatives. What about the attacks from the Swiftboat nuts from Texas. Another American vet attacked and yet because this was a Democrat candidate against bush, not a word about how wrong it was. Double standard issue for the Republicans, much like everything else we've seen from the marjority of this group ofq winers. At least there are Democrats voicing disagreement with the language of moveon's article. More than bush or his Republican guard.

Bill H., Petraeus also is a deocrated Vietnam Vet.
Posted by: John D | September 13, 2007 9:30 AM

Not sure why I bother trying to respond to john Deceitful but I hate misinformation (propaganda?) Petraeus graduated from West Point in 1974 and went to an infantry unit in Italy. He was never in Viet Nam.

John E,

When was the last time one of those aforemnetioned people critized active military personnel?

Challenge the facts he presented - fine. Challenge his patriotism and service to the country??? I even think ol' Doug Zook would object to this.

Where is Doug????

Have you ever noticed how brave some people are when they don't have to see you face to face? Having said that...here is my opinion:
All of the national Guard units be returned to the states immediately. They should never have been sent there in the first place. Rotate all other units home. Then sent back to Iraq all the volunteers that want to serve the cause over there. Also all of these veterans who think we should stay over there. Put there actions with their words. I'm sure everyone on both side of the issue would be grateful.

The Democratic party has become the party of cut and run. It started in Vietnam and continues today. They are big with idealistic talk, but they aren't there when the going gets rough. Moveon.org is their biggest donor and accurately reflects their mental state.
If they think Iraq and the rest of the middle east are a mess and we should pull out- well just wait and see what things look like after we're gone. The problem is that they are so intent on finding fault with an unpopular President and proposing easy, simple solutions that they refuse to consider the consequences of what they propose-which is none other than cut and run.
Can anyone imagine Roosevelt or Lincoln promising to have the troops back home by a date certain while in the middle of a war? There are no easy answers to the nasty problems we face. Only fools propose them.