GOP: 'It's time for Bill Clinton to move on'

'BILL CLINTON DID MOVE ON, AMERICA HAS JUST BEEN IN DENIAL SINCE HE DID'

What did Bill Clinton do to america except take one for all mankind. Other than that he was pretty good at fighting the powers that be. LIKE THE GOP TIT FOR TAT WAYS AND MEANS OF RUNNING YOUR GOVERNMENT.

I hope he stays, because it will continue to remind us of just how well we did have it. It will stay in your mind how FEMA FAILED YOU after BUSH DISMANTLED IT and brought in CHERTOF and his SBILL 1639 Master Plan that failed.

So send your wish to the MAKE A WISH FOUNDATION like everyone else in America.

ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, what was wrong with that?

The moveon thing and the Limbaugh thing are both phony controversies. It is just so much hot air.

Clinton was right about one thing though; the GOP talking heads that were sooo upset about the moveon ad were full of it. They weren't really upset, any more than the Dems blasting Limbaugh are upset now.

This is nothing but games. It's like watching a bunch of kids on a playground yelling, "I am rubber and you are glue..." over and over at each other until they turn blue in the face and pass out.

Grow up, all of you!

"GOP: 'It's Time For Bill Clinton To Move On"

Of course the Republics want to "move on":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0cVPuV04f4
because they've already finished using all of their catch phrases, slogans, catchwords and repeated talking points and they can't think of any more lies to sell Americans on right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu3tpV6dTQY

They can beat their chests and rant and rave with their fake outrage all they want. These are the same "good" Americans who denoun everyday how unAmerican ,hateAmerica, and all the other cute little names they make up, the left or democrats are. Listen to your buddy Rush as he spills his hate everyday on the radio. These "good" Americans use their McCarthy like tactics all the time and their FAKE outrage makes me laugh.

There they (Rpublics) go again; Attacking Bill C. for being right.

No one is more bitterly attacked in America than someone who dares to shout out the truth.

Yes, Clinton needs to move back to the White House and straighten things out. Like: Green energy, economy, debt reducing, new technology, promote peace, and health care.

Somehow, we ended up with an oil econony at $3.00 a gallon of gas, deficit at ceiling levels, nobody wants to buy our notes except China, & war all over the places with an Empire too big to handle, ruled with a little stick.

Once again, the GOP is just trying to cover their failures that are clear to the American people. Don't get me wrong, there are still some good honorable Republicans worthy of re-election. But the pickings are getting meager. . .

The GOP may want Bill Clinton to Move On but it's not gonna happen anytime soon. Grouse about him all you want republicans, but ya better get ready for several years of the Clinton show.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com

What is Monica's perv boyfriend upset about now?

Where is the condemnation of Rush's slur on the troops by GOP candidates? They were all up in arms about MoveOn's ad but this exact same type of comment by one of their buddies get's ignored?

Hypocrites!

Yesterday's Fox Noise national poll shows that Hillary and Bill are both Democratic Party powerhouses. Senator Clinton beats all Republicans hands down. The President has deemed a HUGE asset to Hillary's electability. The Republicans are running scared. Go Clintons!!!

BIG DOG LEFT OFFICE WITH A 65 % APPROVAL RATING.

HIGHER THAN REAGAN!

Bill Clinton's war room owns MoveOn.org, Media Matters that takes Rush out of context each and every day and the kool aid types like Jan Schakowsky rant about him on the House floor quoting the Media Matters version. Don't forget she's married to a convicted felon.Center for Progressives, Soros Open Society Institute all are Bill Clinton orchestrated. Clinton is the most dangerous man in America. All these $74 million dollar funded web sites are there to elect Hil Prez. 8 years was enough if you Dem schmucks are so confused as to back Hil God Save America!
Clinton is disbarred and impeached and still Roger Morris thinks he's Mister Wonderful. America won't willingly go back to the Clinton sleaze and how about Jocelyn Elders who wants all kids to masterbate or crash and burn the kids at WACO and send Elian to a communist country Janet Reno. Or did you prefer Madelyn Albright what a dumb Secretary of State worried all the time about America being to much a superpower America haters all. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

Typical of Slick Willie. Keep accusing truthful people of telling lies. Gullible people believe him because they're too lazy to think for themselves.

Both sides (D and R) make WAY too much of Clinton. He was a Conservative Centrist wedded to the the status quo, achieved little of note and didn't blunder so badly as to threaten the Republic.

History will note him for the impeachment. If not for that, his legacy would be to be just one more name on the list of presidents.

What is Monica's perv boyfriend upset about now?

Posted by: GG | September 28, 2007 1:02 PM

"Perv"? You must be a lot a fun in the sack.

OH NO!! ROGER MORRIS HAS HIGHJACKED LOON'S COMPUTER!!!!

Wow! Jerry White is KRAZY with a capital K!

The Republicans are irrelevant in this election. They know they can't win, so they won't even try. And Jerry White, Springfield, IL if you're going to spend your life masturbating at least look it up in the dictionary and learn how to not only do it, but spell it. The worst God has to offer, you're idiot buddy's phrase, applies more to you guys.

"Gullible people believe him because they're too lazy to think for themselves."

Hey, this sounds like Rush's audience!

Jerry White,

You need to check into Hotel Padded Room.

Typical of Slick Willie. Keep accusing truthful people of telling lies. Gullible people believe him because they're too lazy to think for themselves.

Posted by: Erin Valentine | September 28, 2007 1:36 PM

What "lies" do you refer to, Erin? You've made a pretty bold statement with no backup (thereby proving you're a Republicant).

Hahahahaha, considering the repubs main "defense" of Bush is that it's all Clinton's fault (pick any issue), this is really ironic.

incognita
www.politicalstew.com

Anonymous at 12:55, in Bill Clinton's last year as president, gasoline spiked to over $2 a gallon. In 2000, Bill Richardson, then Energy Sec, said we got caught with "our pants down."
Since then the Democrats have been blocking any attempt to improve energy needs. For instance, they were against drilling in ANWR, though in 1990s, many Dems voted for it. One argument the Dems used in 2001 was that it would take at least five years before we saw any of that oil. Hmmmm, that means by 2007 we would be getting oil out of ANWR.

Anyway, please tell me where CLinton was "green"? He didn't push the Kyoto Treaty. In fact all Dems in the Senate voted against it in 1998.
Clinton had wars in Bosnia, Iraq, Haiti. He never responded effectively to terrorism. he also had huge defificits and originally fought Republicans on bringing deficits down, saying we should attain balanced budgets in 10-12 years rather than the 5-7 years the GOP wanted in 1990s.
Also, in recent years the budget deficits have been falling at tremendous levels from year to year.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/09/28/notes092807.DTL&feed=rss.mmorford

My bad in criticizing Erin V upthread.

My criticism was imprecise. I should have asked what it was that Clinton called a lie that really was truth?

What the former President confuses, when he objects to the portrayals of Cleland and Kerry:

What political office is Petraeus running for? There is a significant difference between someone who is using their military bona fides to get elected, and a serving general who is following the orders of Congress to report on the state of progress.

And Clinton gets upset? Did he get upset when the NAACP ran the ad showing a black man being dragged behind a truck to his death? Or the false accusations that black churches were being targeted by white supremacists?

Pot meet kettle.

His statement complaining that Republicans, regarding the Swift Boat ads, were "...blatantly dishonest claims by people who didn’t know what they were talking about" is a lie. They most certainly did know what they were talking about; they were not lies.

Jerry White:

Take a deep breath, go back to the TV, turn on FOX news, un-bunch your undies and relax.

And Erin, talk about gullible. Take your own advice and open your eyes and ears regarding your party of choice.

JOHN D,BILL CLINTON LEFT OFFICE WITH A 65 % APPROVAL RATING.

HIGHEST IN MODERN HISTORY.

HIGHER THAN MR.DEFICITS RONNY RAYGUN.

ARE YOU CALLING THE AMERICAN CITIZENS IDIOTS FOR SUPPORTING ALL HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS?

I too think it's time for Bill Clinton to move on, but for another reason. He is diminishing my warm fuzzy thoughts I've held about him as my former president. I think he's too much in the news these days. It's like he's wearing out his welcome all of a sudden. I think he just should stay a former president writing his memoirs or whatever former presidents do, but not showing up on every news station and campaign trail, and trying to undo Hillary's gaffes, correcting her wrongs. This makes this great man only seem small. Enough Clintons. That was then, ths is now, not a Clinton time.

In the only polls that count, two national elections, Clinton never got 50 percent of the vote. And one of those times against Bob Dole for Heaven's sake. Be wary of biased polls. Remember the exit poll that had Kerry winning the presidency by 65 percent?

There is a really high correlation between the specific Republicans who are shouting the loudest about the MoveOn ad, and their lack of actual military service.

Note that Rush Limbaugh, Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia (the one who trashed Max Cleland), Senator John Cornyn of Texas (who sponsored the resolution condeming MoveOn in the Senate), and Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama never served in the military.

Maybe they're trying to hide some lack of courage they have and compensate by attacking MoveOn and other REAL patriots, who are standing up for their principles.

And, they are hypocrites for not condemning their own scurrilous attacks against war heroes such as John Kerry and Max Cleland.

BIG DOG LEFT OFFICE WITH A 65 % APPROVAL RATING.

HIGHER THAN REAGAN!

Posted by: Raving Loon | September 28, 2007 1:32 PM

R. L., you've brought this up several times, but it doesn't really mean an awful lot. Here's why:

Bill Clinton was (probably still is) an approval seeker. Whatever would make people like him, he'd do. For example, I well remember listening to him on the radio after the 1994 by-election; he'd become, all of a sudden, a born-again tax cutter, where he'd never been one before. You didn't need a weathervane to know which way the wind was blowing with Bill Clinton around. Though I often disagree with Hillary's positions, I have more respect for her than for Bill because she seems to work more from principle than Bill does.

Since the implied comparison is with George Bush's subterranean approval ratings, let's look at him. He doesn't seem to care what his ratings are; he believes in certain things, and pursues them even though people don't like him much for it. He has principles, and sticks by them.

Now, absent the current controversies over the war and such, which would you rather have in a leader: someone whose best sailing point is downwind (there's a metaphor for you, Doug Zook!) or someone who does what is right according to his lights and sticks to it?

Before you answer, a couple of examples:

During our Civil War, there were discouraging times for the Union; many of the battles during the first half of the war were Union losses or draws, and the casualty count toward the end of the war mounted rapidly. Many people in the North wanted to put an end to it and let the Confederacy remain split off, but Abraham Lincoln realized that such a course would be a disaster in the long term and stayed the course, even at risk to his own re-election in 1864. Lincoln was a man of principle.

Contrary to our rose-colored retrospective view, a similar situation existed during World War II. Many people stateside wanted an end to the war immediately; such a wish crescendoed after the battle for Iwo Jima, in which 7,000 Marines were killed in little over a month. But FDR and the Allied leaders remembered the lesson of World War I, and recognized that ending the war without defeat of Germany and Japan would simply set the stage to do it all over again in twenty years or so. They were men of principle.

So what kind of leaders do you want?

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Also, in recent years the budget deficits have been falling at tremendous levels from year to year.

Posted by: John D | September 28, 2007 3:00 PM

That's an interesting way to spin things.

My only reply would be to say that they aren't falling fast enough - in light of the fact the overall debt is still on the rise.

Deficits shouldn't exist at all. They are dishonest "hidden" taxes because they will ultimately result in higher taxes to pay down the debt service. They strangle the ability of the federal government to meet all of its obligations, because debts service already takes nearly 10% of the budget. Furthermore deficits and the debt suck the value out of the dollar because they cause inflation.

If we, as individuals, all ran our personal finances the way the federal government runs the public finances, we would all go to jail for theft and fraud. That can't be good.

Um, Dave, so you are comparing W to Lincoln, huh?

Good luck with that!

Dave,

Thank you for burying that red Herring.

One more thing: Loon, by the logic of Poularity Equals Greatness John Grisham is a better writer than William Faulkner; Britney Spears a better musician than Mozart...

A leader who will stick to the principless the peolpe elected him on. If not. When unforeseeable circumstance cause him to stray from the things he was elected on, low governmental spending - uniter - no nation building, he shows a willingness to come as close as possible in balancing his newly acquired principles to what the people want. Now that involves tough calls. Either going downwind, or purely on principle is the easy way out.

Raving Loon, or is that actually Roger Morris with all the caps?
Please comment on the points I brought up rather than your hysterical diatribe about Clintoon's approval rating? Or is intelligent thought alien to you?

Speaking of Bill:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=afl7MQBAfB5o&refer=home

From the articl: At that time, the most pressing international issue ``was how to build a post-Cold War world,'' he said. ``We didn't have the terror threat.

Well Bill, when you left office, you should did have it. Thanks!

John W., I do not disagree with you. There should be no deficits, or only during rare times.

From 2001-04 the Republicans acted like Democrats in spending. However, in recent years spending increases have been in the 1 to 3 percent range, while tax revenue has ballooned.

I would love for a president and a Congress to actually cut and get rid of many government programs and agencies. And to actually work on getting rid of waste and to stop the process that if a department is coming up short in its spending budget, it doesn't just spend money willy nilly because if they don't spend it all, they lose it and may lose it in succeeding budget years.

From the articl: At that time, the most pressing international issue ``was how to build a post-Cold War world,'' he said. ``We didn't have the terror threat.

Well Bill, when you left office, you should did have it. Thanks!
Posted by: Terry | September 28, 2007 11:13 PM

Terry, the article refers to the top issues in 1992. Bin Laden was still our "ally" in fighting the Soviets at that point. Clinton was of course correct in agreeing with Bush 41 that the post-Cold War breakup was the most important geo-political issue on the landscape.

Fast forward 8 years.

America has been attacked several times by Bin Laden, and each time Clinton retaliates he's accused of wagging the dog by the GOP machine. His anti-terrorism measures, many of which would later show up in the Patriot Act, are regularly blocked by a partisan GOP Congress. The USS Cole is bombed right before the election in 2000, and in January of 2001, the FBI and CIA determine it was Bin Laden's handiwork.

Clinton hands the Bush Administration, according to terrorism czar Richard Clarke, a comprehensive plan in response to the Cole to roll back Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, from where the Clinton's believe the next attack will be directed.

George Walker Bush completely ignores this and other briefings about terrorism and focuses exclusively on his top foreign policy goal: removing Saddam Hussein. In fact, terrorism is not even discussed in any of Bush's first half-dozen NSA meetings.

With George W Bush as Commander in Chief, 9/11 goes off without a hitch, as the government on all levels is caught embarrasingly flat-footed. Bush initiates the Clinton plan in Afghanistan with a very light force, loses Bin Laden. It doesn't seem to matter though, because by the end of 2001 the Administration is already shifting resources and personnel away from Afghanistan to focus on Iraq.

Your revisionist history is a joke, Terry, and your Clinton Derangement Syndrome gets in the way of making educated analyses of the last two decades.

For some reason Republicans trumpet that Bush has kept us safe for 6 years. WELL, HE'S BEEN PRESIDENT FOR 7. 9/11 was not inevitable, but Bush did literally nothing to stop it. He failed to keep us safe and presided over the worst terrorist attack in American history, and then instead of bringing to justice the people who did it, diverted the mission to settle old scores and expand American hegemony. Now, with Bin Laden still living comfortably in "allied" Pakistan, it looks like we're going to take on a second country that didn't attack us on September 11 instead of sending Predator drones after Bin Laden which might irritate our erstwhile friend General Musharaf.

I really don't understand how you can hold water for these utter fools, but I guess if party is more important than country that goes a long way in explaining everything you said.

No, Athena, I'm not comparing George Bush the Younger with Lincoln. I simply chose the example of Lincoln, who was not popular in his time and would likely have lost the 1864 election to George McClellan absent a few opportune victories by Union armies, as a principled man who saw what was right and pursued it, regardless of the polls, rather than being blown hither and yon by the vicissitudes of public opinion.

"Come on, these Republicans that are all upset about Petraeus, this is one newspaper ad,'' Clinton said. "These are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia, with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what the Republicans did, and the person that rode to the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad.

"I mean, these are the people that funded the Swift Boat veterans for truth, and the president appointed one of the principal funders of the Swift Boat ads to be an ambassador,'' Clinton said with a heavy helping of sarcasm. "They’re really upset about Petraeus, but it was OK to question John Kerry’s patriotism on blatantly dishonest claims by people who didn’t know what they were talking about… It was just bait and switch."
-- President Bill Clinton

Republicans are entitled to their own opinions, just not their own facts. Glad to see Bill calling them out for their hypocrisy.

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Media Matters that takes Rush out of context each and every day
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Posted by: Jerry White | September 28, 2007 1:36 PM

No they don't. They print full transcripts of the show segments where they focus on Rush's own words. Rush whines like a spoiled 2 year old when people really hear what he says and thinks.

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in Bill Clinton's last year as president, gasoline spiked to over $2 a gallon.
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No it didn't. According to this web site

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html

the highest price that a gallon of gas during Clinton's last year, at the retail national average, reached was $1.69 1/2 on 6/19/2000. By 1/1/2001 it had fallen back to $1.41 6/10.

Go back to lying about the cost of John Edwards' suits; you had more credibility then (which was ZERO).

Since John "the Joseph Stalin of Streamwood" D wants to discuss National Debt, let's all go here:

http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media/TheNationalDebt.html

Go down to the chart labeled "Annual New Debt, 1980 - Present" and see that the only place that additional debt was DROPPING is during Bill Clinton's administration.

Or go a little over half way down to this chart "New Debt, Annually 1950 - 2003, Adjusted for Inflation", which DRAMATICALLY shows the same fact.

I totally agree with Bill Clinton's feelings about the Republicans!! They have the NERVE to make such a big to do about the MoveOn Ad but THEY did the same and WORSE on two Democrats - Kerry and Cleland, who DEFENDED THEIR COUNTRY!!! The REPUBLCANS ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITES AROUND!!!!

And the Republicans are SCARED TO DEATH because they KNOW Hillary is going to be the next president of the United States!!!

GO BILL AND HILLARY!!!!! YOU'RE THE BEST!!!!

DV,

My point exactly - during the eight years of the Clinton administrations, terrorism went from "something that happened overseas" to a pot that ready to boil over. Thanks again Bill.

My point exactly - during the eight years of the Clinton administrations, terrorism went from "something that happened overseas" to a pot that ready to boil over. Thanks again Bill.

Posted by: Terry | September 29, 2007 11:10 PM

And you blame Clinton for this how, exactly? For catching the '93 bombers? For intervening on behalf of Muslims in Bosnia and making sure that the former Yugoslavian provinces didn't wind up as failed states ripe for terrorist bases? For being hamstrung by a GOP Congress who cared far more about scoring points than fighting terrorism?

If you're going to give most of the credit for the great economy in the 1990's, then they ABSOLUTELY must share a big piece of the blame for the terrorism situation as they thwarted and blocked nearly all measures that Clinton put forth.

I'm dying to hear how you are going to pin the entire scourge of Islamic terrorism on Bill Clinton. Oh, and at least you admit that Bush did jack s*&t to protect this country before he woke up from his self-induced slumber on September 11.

DV (Tony)

First, the credit for the 90's economy goes to the private sector and companies that let the technology revolution - gov't 2ndary.

Second,

"at least you admit that Bush did jack s*&t to protect this country before he woke up from his self-induced slumber on September 11." Please show me where I admit that?

He tried and convicted the 93 WTC bombers. That sure put a stop to it. Would have been like FDR going after the specific Japanese pilots that bombed Pearl Harbor.

That trial sure put a stop to terrorism didn't. Forget about the African embassies, Kohbar Towers, USS Cole?

"If you're going to give most of the credit for the great economy in the 1990's, then they ABSOLUTELY must share a big piece of the blame for the terrorism situation as they thwarted and blocked nearly all measures that Clinton put forth." Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. Clinton loves to take credit for bringing down the deficit and it was done on the backs of defense and intellgence.