The Swamp
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Posted January 24, 2007 12:01 PM
The Swamp

Posted by Frank James at 11:47 am CST

It remains a mystery why President Bush gave a State of the Union speech of more than 5,600 words and didn’t say anything about the nation’s continuing efforts to contend with the aftermath of the worst natural disaster in its history, that is Hurricane Katrina.

The White House telegraphed before the speech that the president wouldn’t discuss Katrina because he and his advisors wanted to avoid the usual “laundry list” of domestic issues that presidents often rattle off in a SOTU speech.

But Katrina isn’t the typical domestic agenda item. According to a September 2006 Governmental Accountability Office report, Katrina and Rita, the storm that followed it during the 2005 hurricane season:

…Left more than 1,500 dead, affected over 90,000 square miles, caused more than $80 billion in damage, and forced mass evacuations from five states along the Gulf Coast, according to DHS. An estimated 600,000 households were displaced from affected areas and 50,000 to 100,000 households remained in temporary housing 6 months later. As a result, 44 states and the District of Columbia received hundreds of thousands of evacuees, providing them with care and shelter over an extended period. These events tested the nation’s ability to respond to catastrophic events.

Much devastation remains along the Gulf Coast and hundreds of thousands of Americans remain displaced and are still affected.

That alone seems like it would merit a few words in the president’s speech as well some words on what the Bush administration was doing to rebuild the Gulf Coast and further improve preparations for other major calamities.

But the president avoided those topics entirely. Sen. Mary Landrieu issued a statement criticizing the omission.

“With nearly 6,000 words about the nation's priorities, not one single word was devoted to the rebuilding and protection of affected areas of Louisiana and the Gulf Coast that were hit by the two most brutal hurricanes in American history. It was a glaring omission. Much of the vast devastation left by Katrina and Rita remains, and the job of recovery is far from finished. We need the President’s leadership and partnership to meet these challenges, and we needed to hear his commitment tonight.”

Before the speech, Tony Snow, the White House press secretary, was asked if Katrina would be mentioned in the speech and said no. He didn't elaborate and reporters evidently didn't press him.

Here’s the exchange Snow and Dan Bartlett, counsel to the president, had with reporters yesterday before the speech.

MR. SNOW: Yes, it begins with a section on -- first he will great the new Speaker -- it is an historic opportunity, so there will be some comments on the new Congress and the new Speaker. Then he will talk about the domestic policy sections. And then the back half of the speech -- roughly 50/50 -- the back half of the speech will be on Iraq, but also on the larger war on terror.

In addition, the President will be talking about diplomatic efforts; as Dan was pointing out earlier, that's an enormously important part of what we do. And the President also will talk about humanitarian elements, whether it be with regard to addressing malaria or AIDS, also is an important national security concern. So it's going to be a broad and thoughtful discussion of foreign policy. It is not simply half the speech on Iraq. Iraq certainly will come up, but to give people a sense of how all the pieces of foreign policy fit together, and that will also involve about half of it.

Q One follow. Is Hurricane Katrina recovery mentioned in this?

MR. BARTLETT: Not specifically.

MR. SNOW: No, not specifically.

So the president’s staff could even work in an opening reference to House Speaker Pelosi’s father, Thomas D’Alesandro Jr., a former congressman, but not Katrina.

This is passing strange.

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Comments

It's very simple- He just doesn't care.

He didn't care when it happened, and he doesn't care now.


I still don't think W. could find New Orleans on a map.

W. is trying to force us to "nation build" in Iraq but we still can't even "city rebuild" in America.

"Bulldog" Waxman,start the investigations!


If Bush made any comments about Katrina, he might actually have to admit that his administration has FAILED to do anything useful, including handle the FEMA give-a-debit-card-to-the-wrong-people debacle. Why bring up something that you cannot possibly have an excuse for blowing off?


He didn't address it because he feels like John D and Paulo feel. Let those bums pick themselves up by their bootstraps and help themselves.


According to Dubya, Katrina was oh-so-yesterday.


As Jules stated previously, the mere mention of Katrina, a year and a half after the incident, would be a tacit admission that the Bush Administration has categorically failed to address the many issues surrounding this disaster. While we, as a nation, continue to pour funds towards a foreign conflict that appears questionable, we continue to neglect those on American soil who remain homeless, jobless, penniless, and increasingly hopeless as a direct result of Bush's non-action.


We are told we have "war fatigue" and before that, we were told we had "disaster fatigue". Perhaps what we really suffer from is simply "Dubya fatique".


Heck, he would have preferred not to mention Iraq either, if he could get away with it.

Those "successes that haven't happened yet" are starting to pile up.


Ah,yes Katrina!
Two idiots...Mayor Ray Nagin and Gov. Kathleen Blanco.....what can be said??? The people of New Orleans had "three days warning" to get out of their city that was built 6 fett below sea level and might flood because a hurricane was headed right at them.
Buy nooooooo.....Let's keep partying!!!
Great leadership by Nagin and Blanco...Oooops,I fogot,it's all Bush's fault.
Paulo


"The people of New Orleans had "three days warning" to get out of their city that was built 6 fett below sea level and might flood because a hurricane was headed right at them.
Buy nooooooo.....Let's keep partying!!!"

Always count on the Republicans to blame the victim.


Paulo,

You heartless, ignorant buffoon. Only in your world can people with little money, no cars and no government subsidized evacuation available to them somehow get themselves hundreds of miles away from home and support themselves without the necessary financial means.

This from Paulo the illegal immigrant to the impoverished residents of New Orleans: "why didn't you just grow wings and fly away?"


Perhaps he should have mentioned Katrina - asking Nagin and Blanco exactly what the hell they're doing with all the money that has been made available and hasn't been spent. The money that is sitting in bank accounts, accruing interest that they had to reimburse the feds for (disaster funds are not supposed to be money making accounts). Did he and FEMA screw up - absolutely. But to continue to get beaten up for the state's inability to get their act together and start re-building is wrong.


I hope Zorn puts your comment in an article, Paulo. They are the words of a pathetic loser. I find it illuminating that no Republican commentors have condemned or rejected Paulo. That my friends is tacit approval.


Linda-

Fine, let's say it's all Blanco and Nagin's fault. Shouldn't the President of the United States have addressed that situation, and explained what actions he felt were necessary to clear away the problems and get and move the recovery of a major American city, and it's surrounding area forward?

To not address it at all was a shameful admission that the suffering of the citizens of New Orleans and the surrounding areas does not concern President George W. Bush in the slightest.


It appears "some" of the American peolpe were Bamboozled" by this "Snake Oil Salesman" not once but twice.He played on "popular"not "national issues. Riding the "High Horse" of Morality& Family Values" with the skill& cunning of a used car salesman.
In conclusion America got a "Lemon" for a president.


Paulo has no soul so just let it go over your heads.


Clearly none of you are smart enough, or maybe just to lazy to make a difference. Your wasting your time writing in this forum probably because you've found it's easier to criticize than actually do something about it. You don't like things the way they are then go out and fix them. It's very easy to volunteer with FEMA if you wanted to, this way you can let them know exactly how to handle disater policy on level no one had ever seen before. Maybe you could go research how the Thai goverment brilliantly handled the tsunami, then come back to the US and apply what you know (that's biting sarcasm for all you too ignorant to pick up on it). Well, I'm going to stop wasting my time now, not that I'm bitching in the first place because I don't personally have a better solution and haven't done anything to make it better, so I don't feel as though I have any right to.


Kanye West was right. George Bush doesn't like black people.


To be truely sensitive to the needs of others, you have to be able to be able to put yourself in another's place. The president does not seem to be able to do this regarding Katrina nor those American's who have sacrificed in Iraq.


Patrick,
We did do something - we voted out the Republicans, we sent money to help and we continued to work at our own jobs to support our own family.

Paolo - if an idiot shouts out loud in a forest and no one hears him, is he no longer an idiot, or just no longer???


Believe me, I'm not in Bush's corner but Tony you have to be insane to make a suggestion like that. Ol' George is going to say "hey, about Katrina - unless Nagin and Blanco quit their potshotting each other there isn't anything more we can do to help. We've given them oodles of loot and what do we have? Nagin wants a chocolate New Orleans and Blanco doesn't have a clue what she wants." Yeah, I could hear your bitching now about him blaming someone else (yet again).


Linda-

It would be better than ignoring the suffering of the people of New Orleans, now wouldn't it?

Shouldn't a real leader, especially one who doesn't have to worry about re-election, be willing to make a politically difficult statement in order to help those who cannot help themselves?

As the old saying goes, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Bush's silence clearly makes him part of the problem.


Hi y'all. I am from New Orleans and thought I'd see what you guys were saying about us. Yes, Nagin and Blanco screwed up, and I am a die-hard Democrat, but Bush and the Republican gang screwed up too. So what? Let's get over it and work on rebuilding. Unless you have been down here, you have no idea what it is really like. My family is still trying to rebuild our house and business and we "only" had 3 1/3 feet of water in our neighborhood. Every single aspect of our lives here has been changed forever. And God forbid (literally) that anything ever happens to another American city like a fire or earthquake or whatever, because, take it from us, if something bad happens,you are on your own.

People like Paulo don't bother me because obviously he is an ignorant fool. Most people around the country have been supportive. I wasn't even that upset about the Saints losing to you guys, because the Saints were such an upper for everyone here, they are heroes no matter if they lost or won.

So thanks for the support, Chicagoans and keep the faith.


NOLA, God Bless you and your family.

Speaking of support, maybe you could help us all by giving us some feedback on what organizations we can donate to that are doing the most good down there. There are so many saying they're helping, and it's so hard to tell from here where we can get you guys the most bang for our buck. I've been giving through Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of New Orleans, but if there is someone you think would be better, I'd love to hear it.


Hey NOLA - loved your feedback - and your terrific attitude (let's get over it and work on re-building). My brother lives in Tennessee and is a building contractor - headed down your way to lend his skills after Katrina and was told his help wasn't needed (yep, by FEMA). You are correct - we are on our own if something else happens. I'll wait to see your response to TF - we gave/give to Red Cross and I'm pretty sure a bunch of Administrators were grateful and people who needed it didn't get it.


Patrick,

"Your wasting your time writing in this forum probably because you've found it's easier to criticize than actually do something about it. You don't like things the way they are then go out and fix them."

I am designing hurricane-proof, floodproof housing for New Orleans that will be available in May. Does that make me qualified to speak in your eyes? What have you done that makes YOU qualified to denigrate other's opinions? How have you contributed to the conversation by trying to silence people's voices?

"Maybe you could go research how the Thai goverment brilliantly handled the tsunami, then come back to the US and apply what you know (that's biting sarcasm for all you too ignorant to pick up on it)."

This is the same tired argument that Republicans have trotted out a hundred million times. "Well at least we're not as bad as..." fill in the blanks.

America, yells from the rooftops every single day that it is the best, bravest, toughest and smartest nation on Earth. That sanctimony brings with it a certain responsibility: to live up to the rhetoric! Aspiring to be better than Thailand is a pathetic excuse for a mission. We must set our sites higher.

Finally, I didn't hear people complaining about the effective responses to disasters that occurred when the qualified professional James Witt led FEMA under Clinton. FEMA can be an effective disaster agency, it simply needs competent management, which Bush's Brownie was inately incapable of handling.


Hey TF, thanks for the support. There have been so many people who have come from all over the country, it is amazing. People here literally kiss these people to thank them for all they are doing. I think Catholic Charities is probably doing great work, I just haven't literally seen it. I think one of the best is Habitat for Humanity because you can actually see what they are doing and the houses that they are putting up. To me, the most important thing is to get more people back into rebuilt houses. We can argue to the ends of the earth about why people can't or won't come back, but to have a decent, liveable house to come back to is unbelievable. Most people are slogging along themselves rebuilding one thing at a time, after fighting with the insurance company, etc., but some people can't do that because they are too old or have no money to get back or no where to stay while they are trying to rebuild. For these people, organizations like Habitat can change their lives and bring them home. Thanks again. I will try to cheer the Bears on eventhough Peyton Manning is a New Orleans boy!


Paulo:

1) An official evacuation order was not issued by Mayor Nagin for the city of New Orleans until the day before Katrina hit land.

3) The city was put where it was because it was, to the French and Spanish settlers, an obviously good spot to build a busy shipping port. It being at the mouth of a giant waterway and all.

5) The Louisiana levee system is built to withstand a Category 3, or Hundred Year, Storm. However, if you have ever seen one of New Orleans levees, you would know that most of them are just glorified piles of dirt. Big piles, but dirt nonetheless. By contrast, the levee system in the Netherlands is a complex concrete-steel dam and seawall which has been praised as an engineering miracle.

4) In the aftermath of Katrina, though it was obvious so much was going wrong, Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin did the best they could, with the resources they had--and if you'll recall those resources were not coming from a national level for days.

On a personal note, I resent the reference to New Orleans as a city willing to risk its life for a party. New Orleans is about so much more than boozing and partying. It is a city with a great, long history, incredible culture, poverty and wealth, unique customs, a diverse population, original music, and some of the best food in the world. And I think it's a shame that our nation is not willing to step up to the challenge of rebuilding such a place.


Hey Linda- sorry, didn't see your response earlier. I don't want to hog this forum, but I forgot to mention how fantastic the Red Cross was, especially in the first few months after the storm. As an example, we didn't get electricity or gas or phones for over 2 months. The red Cross took over a school near our house and we would stop by to get buckets and cleaning supplies and MREs (they taste great and our kids love them!). They also had trucks and vans roaming the neighborhoods going door to door while people were cleaning up handing out food and supplies. And the people were so nice. I had never seen the Red Cross in action before, but they were amazing. I am a true believer in them now because they made such a difference to my family and so many others.


Loony Lefters: There is nearly $1 BILLION in federal government money waiting for Blanco and Nagin to use to help rebuild New Orleans. But they are doing nothing with it.
Nagin FAILED to evacuate his city, with unused buses being flooded that could have been used to get the people out.
In 2004, Florida suffered through 4 major hurricanes, running the gamut of the entire state. Florida ain't whining. Plenty of black folk too had their lives upended in those Florida hurricanes. Yet, Florida bounced back -- though much works still needs to be done. Mississippi too is bouncing back after Katrina. Only New Orleans and Louisiana haven't. Why? Failed leadership and incompetence by Blanco and Nagin.
It took decades and centuries for New Orleans to be built. It won't happen in a year or two for it to be rebuilt.
But you Loony Lefters with your ignorant and biased media friends wouldn't know reality or facts if it fell on top of your teeny little heads.


Patrick,

Like you I happen to like Thai food. I also like taking long walks through the swamp on the back of an elephant. And if our ever so out of step with the public president happened to read your minor editorial, perhaps he to could have commented during his speech that he is doing his best to turn the delta into Thailand. As you are dead on - we have done just about as well as a third world country in term of managing the aftermath of what should have been the foremost issue of GWB's presidency.

Unfortunately for the folks living in LA, FL and TX are the same folks that elected him to office. Our president was to busy getting us up to our ears in two wars. It is very difficult to call out the National Guard when they are 10,000 miles from home providing security and rebuilding someone else’s county. It is also irresponsible to do so when we are the ones that leveled those countries in the first place.

And yes, I did vote for GWB, but just one time...

Joe


I'm such an idiot.

Sometimes I even surprise myself with my stupidity.

God, am I dumb!


HEY JOHN D - SEE THESE FACTS!!!

Archive for the 'Katrina' Category
U.S. hurricane aid fraud likely tops $1 bln: report
Snoop December 6th, 2006

By Jeremy Pelofsky - Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Fraud involving payments supposed to help victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita likely exceeds earlier estimates of $1 billion and only a tiny fraction of the money has been recovered, according to a U.S. government report released on Wednesday.

A February estimate that improper payments could be $1 billion “is likely understated,” the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said in the report to the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has only been able to recover about $7 million in improper payments, which included money for temporary housing and aid to foreign students studying in the region, according to the report.

The GAO cited incidents in which FEMA gave $17 million in housing assistance to individuals who had already obtained free housing in the form of trailers or apartments and $20 million that went to people who improperly claimed for help for both storms that ravaged the U.S. Gulf Coast area.

“FEMA has yet to strike a proper balance between expedited assistance and good stewardship of taxpayer funds,” said Sen. Susan Collins, chairwoman of the committee and a Maine Republican.

Katrina alone caused $80 billion in damage, killed 1,500 people and displaced hundreds of thousands more. More than $100 billion was set aside by Congress to help the region recover from the 2005 storms.

Collins said FEMA does have plans to recover another $8 million but criticized it as “pennies on the dollar” and said the effort was moving too slowly.

“The fact is that once the money is out the door, it is very difficult for FEMA to recover it,” she said.


Jethro, we Republican types suffer from Paulo fatigue. You lefties do a good job of pointing out his many errors. However, I suggest that it's the wrong approach. It would be best just to ignore him; perhaps he'll dry up and blow away.

"I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." (George Bernard Shaw).


Hey, Johnny D, was Brownie "doing a heckuva job"?


"In 2004, Florida suffered through 4 major hurricanes, running the gamut of the entire state. Florida ain't whining. Plenty of black folk too had their lives upended in those Florida hurricanes. Yet, Florida bounced back -- though much works still needs to be done. Mississippi too is bouncing back after Katrina. Only New Orleans and Louisiana haven't. Why?"

Posted by: John D | Jan 24, 2007 3:01:22 PM

Those areas suffered mostly wind damage. New Orleans was underwater in case you didn't see the footage of people stranded on rooftops. Sorry to bring facts to the equation.


What are you people complaining about? Is New Orleans in Israel or anywhere near Israel? No.
Then there is no reason to worry about it is there? The U.S. is first and FOREMOST concerned with supporting and protecting the Homeland...Israel. It's about time you people accept this fact and get over it.


When there is a wild-fire in California,the people smell smoke,turn on the T.V. to see what's happening and then...duh,they evacuate and go in the opposite direction of THE FIRE!!!
But in the "Big Easy" whith 3 days notice of a cat-4 hurricane at your door step it's different...not the fault of the Mayor or the Governor....it's blamed on Bush.
Paulo


When there is a wild-fire in California,the people smell smoke,turn on the T.V. to see what's happening and then...duh,they evacuate and go in the opposite direction of THE FIRE!!!
But in the "Big Easy" whith 3 days notice of a cat-4 hurricane at your door step it's different...not the fault of the Mayor or the Governor....it's blamed on Bush.
Paulo


Posted by: Paulo | Jan 24, 2007 4:28:20 PM

I was going to respond and then thought better of it. Please keep it up and proudly tell everyone that you are a republican. you are the best poster child we could find for the republicans. And I stress Child.


Paulo, When was the last time all of LA had to be evacuated because of a wild fire?


If state and local governments aren't doing enough to handle the problems of Katrina, then why doesn't GWB assume authority over relief efforts to make sure the money is effectively spent and things are done right?

After all, he had no problem taking authority over the National Guard from the states' governors. What's stopping him in New Orleans?

"Dubya, you're doin' a heck of a job!"


Tony don't ask Paulo to think smoke will come out his ears.


What difference does it make whether Katrina was Nagin/Blanco's or Bush's fault? It was still a disaster, and it still should have been mentioned in the State of the Union address. Hundreds of thousands of Americans were displaced by the greatest natural disaster in the country's history and one of America's most culturally significant cities was severly crippled. (Yes, I've been down there and seen it first hand.)

Is it too much to ask for the President of the United States to acknowledge this?!? Throw them a freaking bone for crying out loud.


hey john d
florida? we all know who the gov of that state is!
the bush brother that "fixed" the florida election
he gets anything he wants from his brother.
george dosn't get $$ from louisiana like he does
from his saudi buddys.if texas got hit they would have rebuilt it twice over by now.texans dont like cajuns so screw um! i say screw the whole saudi oil loving bush family! not soon enough he will be out forever & then we will have a leader that worrys about his own people first.
i wish i could be arould in a hundred years so i could see what people think of the failed bush presidency's BOTH of them!


If anyone still thinks the Liar in Chief Screw Up
George W Bush was so "contrite" during his phony
lie filled State of the Union then I suggest they
go read the nearest Dictioanry definition of
"Contrite" and "Arrogance" since what could be
anymore Arrogant then to no even mention one word
about the rebuilding of New Orleans anyhow?
Besides, that would be an admission of total
Hurricane Katrina Recovery Failure and even more
proof then ever of the total incompetence of
DHS Do Nothing Miheal Chertoff and FEMA head David
Paulison and how badly both Dept of Homeland
Security and FEMA were and still are!
WakeUp People Demand Congress Impeach Both
George W Bush & Draft Dodger Dick Cheney!


He did mention the horrible 2006 hurricane season that was caused by global-warming. Didn't he?


What no hand wringing about the many people outside of the slums of N.O.? Oh thats right, they had the sense, and not necessarily the money to evacuate to higher ground. And they have quietly gone about the business of pulling their lives back together. Dirt poor is not just an expression. There are some people that take responsibility for themselves, that rely on friends and neighbors and don't assume the government is their nanny.


If Katrina had hit a Texas town our Chump in Chief would have been standing on top of a broken levee with a bullhorn,and he probably would have called back some of the troops from his phony war in Iraq to help rebuild Texastown,USA.

But since it happened to New Orleans the Republicans don't care,they think they're all just a bunch of black people who don't vote anyway and they're probably Democrats if they do vote, so screw'em.

Katrina was the beginning of the end for the GOP/George W./KKKarl Rove/Darth Cheney dominated America but the best part is the Repubs still don't see it that way.

Reality bites for the GOP aka the "Angry Old White Guy Party".


Hey John E.,

You may want to take a look at your history. Hurricane Rita, a cat 4 hurricane did hit the Texas coast about 3 months after Katrina. Originally positioned to hit Houston, this nation's fourth largest city, the hurricane moved farther north and devastated much of East Texas. Houston cleared out. Granted, Houston isn't below water, yet 25 feet above sea level isn't a lot of protection.

East Texas isn't as glamorous as the vomit strewn streets of the French Quarter, yet it does show that you, John E., have also forgotten yesterday's news because it wasn't spoon fed to you. Maybe the next time you pay your natural gas bill, you'll remember vast majority of that clean burning gas comes from places you seem to have forgotten.

Hurricanes are not new here on the Gulf Coast. I've personally lived through four, and don't want to see another, yet it is a fact of life for us who live here. A gamble we acknowledge. What I don't understand is how no one wants to talk about the fact that is was well known (at least to us simpltons living down here) that the levy's in New Orleans were only designed hold against the surge of a cat 3 hurricane. Its just something you grew up knowing, if New Orleans was hit directly by a "big one", things were going to be bad.


#1 - My house is not in a flood plain
#2 - I carry insurance for fire, wind, etc.
#3 - If a tornado wipes out my town, I don't expect the Government to bail me out.
#4 - I really don't expect any famous folks to come here and get face time.

I am glad we have charitable people helping with the rebuilding. But, who did not see this coming?


#3 - If a tornado wipes out my town, I don't expect the Government to bail me out.

Really, CPA? You don't expect the government to clear the trees fallen on the road, rebuild the destroyed police and fire stations, repair damage to roads and bridges and other infratructure?

When your insurance refuses to pay your claim because the rains that came with the tornado caused a bit of standing water on your property, which they say invalidates yours and your neighbors claims because there was "flood" damage, your going to happily watch your investment and your community disappear without seeing if the government can do anything to help?

If your house was actually destroy during the tornado because the government built watertower standing next to your house was improperly built so that it structurally failed at a lower wind speed than it was supposed to, causing it to topple over and crush your house, would you expect some help for the government then?


"I am glad we have charitable people helping with the rebuilding. But, who did not see this coming?"

Posted by: Illinois CPA | Jan 25, 2007 12:16:22 AM

George W. Bush didn't expect the levees to be "topped".


Oh Janet and Rock, my dumb little lefties. "Florida just suffered wind damage," dumb little Janet says. Ok, wind damage to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars of lost homes and businesses. Of course, those four hurricanes were the ONLY hurricanes in history to have no storm surge, huh, dumb little Janet? No, those Category 3, 4 and 5 hurricanes had no storm surge, dumb little Janet.
Was it just "wind damage" in Mississippi too, dumb little Janet? No storm surge from Katrina ruined Biloxi and Gulfport, dumb little Janet? Yet, those towns have made great strides as well. Casinos, hotels and resturants all have been coming back online, rebuilt, in the process of being rebuilt -- all after Katrina 18 months ago.
Yes, New Orleans had flooding. But what about Fargo, N.D., which was wiped out by the Red River several years? That city got to work and rebuilt itself immediately after the floods and fires went away. Explain that, dumb little Janet.
Lefties: truly the dregs of Society.


What I don't understand is how no one wants to talk about the fact that is was well known (at least to us simpltons living down here) that the levy's in New Orleans were only designed hold against the surge of a cat 3 hurricane. Its just something you grew up knowing, if New Orleans was hit directly by a "big one", things were going to be bad.

Posted by: Simmering | Jan 24, 2007 11:34:16 PM

I have mentioned this many times. In early 2001 a report from FEMA to Mr. Bush said that there were 3 things that were very possible to happen.
1) A hurricane to hit New Orleans
2) A terrorist attack on US soil
3) A massive Quake in the Bay area
It seems none of these were addressed!


Hurricane Katrina was NOT the big one. it was Category 3 when it hit New Orleans. What caused the disaster was the failed Army Corps of Engineer levees. Had those levees never been built, much of the land that was flooded in the hurricane would have never been inhabitable. The same situation exists around the Everglades and in Sacramento.

Without the (apparently false) security provided by the levees, much of lowland New Orleans would still be swamp and would be home to no one. Instead, the Feds built the levees so that people could live on that land. Therefore the poor design (glad someone brought up the Dutch levees- can't we send someone over there to copy their design for heaven's sake??) and maintenance of the levees led to the failure and the flooding of the low-lying areas. The federal government is at least partially culpable in the disaster, and does owe an obligation to its victims, most of whom would have never been there in the first place if it weren't for the Corps' faulty work.


"Yes, New Orleans had flooding. But what about Fargo, N.D., which was wiped out by the Red River several years? That city got to work and rebuilt itself immediately after the floods and fires went away."

Fargo (actually Grand Forks was harder hit) had $2 billion dollars worth of flood damage. New Orleans, alone, $22 Billion. East Grand Forks lost 17% of it's population.

Johnny, maybe part of why Fargo was able to recover better tha new orleans is due to the fact that in 1997, when Fargo flooded, a qualified disaster professional, James Lee Witt was in charge of FEMA, as opposed to the former head of the International Arabian Horse association, Micahel Brown?


Oh Tony, Fargo, Grand Forks, North Dakota and all areas affected by the Red River flooding came back not because of FEMA (FEMA doesn't rebuild) but because of the state and local governments and most importantly THE PEOPLE who live in those areas.

While jobs are going unfulfilled or filled by illegal aliens, most residents of New Orleans so far have shown little or no inclination to help rebuild their city. And the local and state leaders of Louisiana have shown a complete inability to rebuild their city and state. Let's put the blame where it belongs: On the back of NEw Orleans and Louisiana leaders and residents.


Yes, of course Johnny, blame the victims. Always the Republican answer.

I bet if you lived in New Orleans you's have rebuilt your house with your own two hands out of trees you cut down in the forest with your pen knife, with no financial help from the government, or from the insurance companies which are denying the majority of claims.

You still haven't ansered my question : Was Brownie doing a heckuva job?


"Those areas suffered mostly wind damage."

Posted by: Janet | Jan 24, 2007 3:35:20 PM


"Florida just suffered wind damage," dumb little Janet says

Posted by: John D | Jan 25, 2007 8:59:23 AM

If you are going to put something someone says in quotes, get the quote right. Second, did noone hold you when you were a baby. Your post full of more lies is also nothing but anger. You need help in telling the truth and handling your emotions, you sad, lonely man.


Hey Simmering!

You're right,I didn't hear that a Texas town of 5000,000 was completely under water.

When did this happen?

Don't you think it's time for you to call up KKKarl Rove for some new GOP talking points?


Dear, dumb little Janet. Here is your quote: "Those areas suffered mostly wind damage", meaning I pretty much quoted you accurately by saying, "Florida just suffered wind damage."

And speakin of anger, I just dish back what you and the rest of your ilk do on a regular basis. I mean you lunatics even sign in as someon else like the "post from me" earlier in the run here. Just shows how pathetic and sad you lacking little leftists are!!


John D,

You misquoted Janet, and are too childish, immature and insecure to admit fault (sound like anyone we all might know?). You purposely distorted her words to fit your preconceived notion, and you put it in quotations which is, in essence, lying. You should be ashamed of yourself. Grow up, quit spewing lies and slander, and join the conversation with the rest of the adults here.

"You need help in telling the truth and handling your emotions, you sad, lonely man.
Posted by: Janet | Jan 25, 2007 11:36:52 AM

Calling him a "man" gives way too much credit. He talks like a 17 year old drop out with too much time on his hands. Are you sitting next to Paulo trading notes Johnny? I used to give you credit for being ever-so-slightly more intelligent than Paulo (I assure you, that's no complement), but you two are part and parcel. Shrill, lying, one-note whiners who, if either of you have any bit of integrity, would have long ago volunteered to go fight the war that you so enthusiastically back. Or maybe John D and Paulo are just waiting for their 18th birthdays to roll around first.


I thought when you use quotes you are telling the reader that what is being quoted was actually said? I can only shake my head at how desperate and sad you've become. Seek help like Bill.

I pretty much quoted you accurately by saying, "Florida just suffered wind damage."

Posted by: John D | Jan 25, 2007 3:03:14 PM


Dear, dumb little Janet. Here is your quote: "Those areas suffered mostly wind damage", meaning I pretty much quoted you accurately by saying, "Florida just suffered wind damage."

And speakin of anger, I just dish back what you and the rest of your ilk do on a regular basis. I mean you lunatics even sign in as someon else like the "post from me" earlier in the run here. Just shows how pathetic and sad you lacking little leftists are!!

Posted by: John D | Jan 25, 2007 3:03:14 PM

Yes John D..we know, accuracy is not found in the republican vocabulary. Your claim just gets old about you recieving anger....NONE deserve it more than you. You sir have jello for brains. Sorry to all the adults out there...i just couldn't help it.


Can you loser leftwists please say what the difference is between "those areas suffered mostly wind damage," with "Florida just suffered wind damge"??


Can you loser leftwists please say what the difference is between "those areas suffered mostly wind damage," with "Florida just suffered wind damge"??

Posted by: John D | Jan 25, 2007 5:16:03 PM

The difference is....I say John D is just an idiot.
If I say John D is mostly an idiot that would leave room that you may not be totally an idiot.
With you...just...works just fine.


Just-

"adv 1: and nothing more; "I was merely asking"; "it is simply a
matter of time"; "just a scratch"; "he was only a
child"; "hopes that last but a moment" [syn: merely,
simply, only, but]"

"Mostly" does not mean "and nothing more".

Simple english Johnny.


I believe the storm surge also hit Biloxi and the Mississippi coast. However, New Orleans was harder hit since most of it was below sea level and protected only by suspect levees. Similar disasters are likely to occur when San Francisco is hit with the big one, and when St. Louis get its earthquake of the millenium. Chicago could sustain damage from the New Madrid fault, as well, but what's more likely is a serious tornado (a la Plainfield) ripping through downtown, or a terrorist attack.

The point is that disaster can hit anywhere. Supposedly our communications systems here are seriously deficient. Hopefully we have the rest of our game on if something does happen. If FEMA, Illinois, and Chicago are as incompetent as FEMA, Louisiana, and New Orleans governments were in 2005 and 2006, then we'll have major problems. That Bush didn't mention Katrina in a speech that went on and on about domestic issues was notable. Heck, the whole region was back in the public eye because of the Saints. He could have made a reference to their season and the dream of rebuilding the rest of the city stronger and safer than ever. As much of a capitalist as I am, I'll grant that I'd favor spending billions rebuilding New Orleans over billions on the "surge" of a different kind that Bush is proposing.


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