Nagin: A Clinton, Obama ticket?: The Swamp
 
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Posted July 25, 2006 9:08 AM
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Posted by Jeff Zeleny at 9:08 a.m. CDT

DENVER – When Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) finished unveiling her "American Dream Initiative" yesterday, she shook a few hands and signed some autographs. Then, she stepped into a private meeting with New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, who also was attending the Democratic Leadership Council meeting here. Ray_nagin

We, of course, were not allowed into the meeting. But we did bump into Nagin, so we asked how he believed Clinton would fare as a presidential hopeful.

"I think she'll be a strong candidate if she decides to run," Nagin said. "Maybe her and Obama."

Nagin had a wide grin – or was it a smirk? – on his face when he said those words.

He and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) are not particularly close. They have only met a couple times, but his quick reply about a Clinton-Obama seemed interesting.

Nagin and Obama spent a little time together last Friday in New Orleans City Hall as Obama took his first trip to Louisiana to check on the rebuilding efforts as the one-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina approaches.

But back to Nagin, here is a little more of our conversation.

Q. How did the Obama meeting go?
A. "The senator was meeting with me and some FEMA representatives and Corps of Engineers representatives to understand what was going on. He says he wants to help more, whatever we need him to do, he said he's willing."

Q. Your relationship with President Bush has evolved in a year, what's your take now?
A. "Initially, he under estimated what was happening. Then he got engaged. He has a real strong personality. He doesn't really care what people think at the end of the day, once he makes up his mind he's going forward. That's my take on him."

Q. Should Democrats use Katrina against Republicans in the midterm elections?
A. "I think our big problem is that we don't have an alternative. We criticize the Republican Party, but we don't have a clear message of what we're all about. I don't think that's enough just to criticize, to convince the majority of the voters that major change is needed. I think that is the big problem, whether it's Katrina or anything else."

Q. What are the lasting effects on politics in New Orleans and Louisiana?
A. "It's a different environment. Voters are spread out over 44 different states. That's going to continue to be the case. It might not be that bad, but I still think some of them will be spread out in 08."

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Maybe Ray can run himself. Watching that loon try to campaign his way out of a wet paper bag would be hilarious. Remember he's only still mayor of New Orleans because about %60 of the population sought greener pastures after Katrina.


A Clinton/Obama ticket?? The ABSOLUTE WORST THING I'VE EVER HEARD OF IN MY LIFE. Let me guess - Jesse Jackson as Secretary of State is his next idea. Oh - how about Michael Moore as press secretary? Wouldn't that be great? Seems to me Ray Nagin has bigger things to worry about than who's going to subsidize his politics of exclusion. Get to work, Mayor, and leave the nightmares to Stephen King.


And we're supposed to take someone seriously who cried "Save us! Oh, help, somebody save us!" while doing absolutely nothing to save his own city? The man who said that there were over 10,000 bodies floating in the floodwaters? The man that is worried about New Orleans being a "chocolate" city? Pul-leaze.


Ray, How about Obama/Clinton?


Q. Should Democrats use Katrina against Republicans in the midterm elections?
A. "I think our big problem is that we don't have an alternative. We criticize the Republican Party, but we don't have a clear message of what we're all about. I don't think that's enough just to criticize, to convince the majority of the voters that major change is needed. I think that is the big problem, whether it's Katrina or anything else."

Shall I make the list out for them?

1. Iraq

2. Deficit

3. Immigration

4. Katrina

5. Gay Marriage (Is this even really an issue to waste our tax dollars on?)

6. Scandals, Scandals, and more Scandals

7. Energy Prices

8. Health Care

I mean seriously, there isn’t an alternative?


Come on, Dienne! That's a bunch of baloney. With a disaster on that scale with cops vacating their posts, with no communications, with destruction on an overwhelming scale, Nagin did about as well as anyone could in that situation. There are some situations that are so overwhelming that it takes the power and resources of the federal government to affect any change. Katrina is one of those situations.

What exactly was Nagin supposed to do to "save his city"?


Dienne I’m a little disappointed with your response, I’m not a fan of Ray Nagin but given the circumstances no big city mayors have the resources to help their constituents any more than he did. Katrina was the largest natural disaster this country has seen, and between FEMA and the Bush Administrations “Johnny come lately” response, Nagin did what he could. There was a well orchestrated attempt by media to portray the people caught in the city as all a bunch of looters, and yes there were those but there were also people institutionalized in hospitals, nursing homes, jails, etc. that were not able to help themselves.


Who cares, the dems will lose again because they hate the candidate with the best chance of winning, Lieberman. Guliani or Lieberman would be the best options for both sides of the aisle right now, other than my main man Gingrich of course!


I fail to see why anyone thinks Hillary Clinton is going to be the nominee. She's way too polarizing. Senator Obama keeps telling us he's not running, but no one listens to that either.


Cheryl -- Just because you fail to see why doesn't mean Clinton won't be the nominee. But here's a hint: look at the polling. She's going to be the nominee. Sure, die-hard red staters hate her, but we're not counting on their support anyway. In a full blown campaign, her intellect and political savvy will come through alot better than it is now. All we hear about her is coming from the shrill voices of FoxNews guys or radio-talk hacks. She's the smartest of the bunch. And while I don't know that an Obama VP decision would make much sense electorally (NY/IL), it is nice to dream about how much better the country (and the world for that matter) would be if we had 8 years of sanity and competence.


I don't know Cheryl. Remember how HOWARD DEAN was leading going into to Iowa and every other democrat piled on him to defeat him? Iowans picked John Kerry simply b/c he had been in Viet Nam. Based on that momentum he won the nomination. If Hillary wins Iowa, she may be too powerful to stop before she nabs the nomination.



Just thinking about the '08 election makes we want to throw up.

Can't we just drop it for a while?


Seems as though the media are playing their favorite political game-creating and pushing a scenario they would like to see come about. This time it is Hillary Clinton for president. I hope she does not run, and if she does I hope she does not get the nomination. Last time the Democrats nominated two senators for the ticket. Why repeat this losing proposition and give the Republicans another 4 years of running the White House. JFK was the last sitting senator to become president and he won by a slim margin. The only other Democratic nominees to become president were Carter and Clinton. They were both governors. All of the other democratic candidates were losers from the start. Surely there are non-lawyer potential candidates who have strong leadership and executive experience to run the country. One candidate I have in mind who was overlooked last time as a strong Vice Presidential candidate who would have killed the weak on defense image put on the democrats is retired General Wesley Clark. Someone like him with strong leadership ability and intellect is what the Democrats have better look for.


I'd vote for Chelsea before Hillary. Nagin is nuts.


Get real Moe. Nobody believes Hillary's sudden sidestep to the center. Most extreme lefties don't like her either & for the same reason they don't like Lieberman. If she does win the nomination, the loons on the far left will likely vote for some Nader type and hand the election to Newt. If it wasn't for Nader, you would have had your guy in 2000. So think moderate, not polarized if you want a Democrat to actually get elected again in this country.


MoeIllinois, please keep thinking that way. That "we don't need the redstaters" attitude has worked so well over the last few elections for the democrats. We'll be saluting President McCain in no time.


Since Jeff Zeleny has been working so hard on Obama's behalf, I nominate him for the job of White House Press Secretary in the Clinton-Obama White House. Keep up the good work, Jeff!


Let's see, the right wing wackos like Newt and McCain. Refresh my memory,why did Newt step down from Congress? And McCain, Rove claimed in 2000 that McCain was nuts.What's really frightning is this red neck country might elect Jeb! Come on America,show me you still have a little intelligence!


Rory M.,

I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree. Sure, the federal response to Katrina sucked, and I'm not excusing that, but there was a lot more that Nagin himself could have done, possibly starting with actually using all those school buses we saw underwater and continuing through having his breakdown in private, not in public. Big city mayors do in fact have access to vast resources that they can bring to the aid of their constituents. I'm not a true-blue Guiliani fan, but his response to September 11 comes to mind. Sure, there's many differences between September 11 and Hurricane Katrina, but most of them work in Nagin's favor. New York is a much bigger city with much higher population density, the death was higher, and there was no warning. Yet Guiliani managed to remain calm and rally and reassure the people. His televised addresses were filled with specific advise, both to those immediately affected as well as to those wanting to help. He actually got out on the streets with community leaders and first responders to see what resources could be mobilized and helping to coordinate the response. Despite the fact that the initial response was 100% a local affair, you never saw Guiliani swearing and demanding that the @#$%&! feds come in and "do something." You never heard him raving that there were tens of thousands of dead people out there. The saddest thing I heard from Nagin was him dismissing any and all of his own culpability as a matter of racism - I can't remember the specific quote, but something about because he's a black mayor, he doesn't have access to the same kinds of resources that a white mayor would. That's why I say, puh-leaze.


Why all the disagreement---EVERY single politician is a crook. They only care for who gives them the most money.
Regardless of which "party" is in power , it is the same garbage. Try electing someone who really cares about the country and the constitution. Not just someone who is going to line their pockets and "vote" themselves a pay increase.(Don't you wish you could do that!)We wouldn't have as much crap going on as we do.

WE shouldn't have to pay them to SERVE their country, they should do it because they feel strongly to serve it.

Question?---Why does it take MILLIONS of dollars to get elected into a job that doesn't pay that much?

Why would anyone pay millions to get a job that pays less than $200,000 a year ?

They are all CROOKS ! Prove me wrong


Hillary will be a great nominee for Democrats. She is smart enough and strong enough to run and win. And to those who doubt how stroing she is amongst Democrats, can you please expalin how she's raised 43 Million over the last 5 years? That is a pure reflection of her support amongst Democrats.


Hilary already has 8 years of experience as pres of U.S.!! Clinton/Obama... Let's do this!


Hey little Jay,
Your hero Newt Gingrich couldn't get Bill Clinton impeached because he was caught with his pants down when the vote came up.You're partys failures in congress,and the W. administration are going to be it's downfall.Drunk people(George W.)drunk with power.The roman empire all over again.The democrats are going to take congress this fall,and you will love them for it.


Here we go again
stupid people will take newt over clinton
go back to school
Move this country forward
I think they are both fresh and smart
I say YES!


It's bad enough that one portion of the population allowed Bush to be president. It's even scarier that another portion thinks Clinton and Obama should lead.


Hillary Clinton is not a leader and would not be the best choice the Democrats have to offer.

My guess is that by 2008, so much corruption will be exposed that voters will demand someone not as entrenched in the system as Ms. Clinton.

Voters will remember she failed to take any meaningful stand against the most criminal administration in the history of our executive branch.

Also, it's just a good idea to keep dynasties out of the Whitehouse. I vote Democrat. I was moderate, slightly right of center when Bush came in, but now I'll never vote Republican again as long as I live, not even for captain of my softball team, because I've learned Republicans don't ever hold each other accountable for anything, period. The whole GOP "brotherhood" is apparently so damn corrupt to the core, no one CAN hold anyone else accountable. With Republicans, it's always party loyalty above country and even God.

In spite of all this, however, I really don't want the Clintons back in the Whitehouse much more than I want another Bush in.

Gore would be compelling -he already won once, and the world is witnessing in plain daylight how disastrous it's been since we let Bush seize power, so I think Al could easily win. Especially if you put Clark on the ticket, although Clark's got supposedly got a few skeletons in his closet that probably merit closer scrutiny.

Feingold could win, as well. The man is hyper-intelligent, principled, and he's not afraid of anyone.


Ray Nagin has accepted responsibility for the things that he could have done better during the Hurricane Katrina Disaster. He did the best anyone could in evactuating residents considering the circumstances. In an interview I heard, a New Orleans' policewoman pointed out that the hurricane was supposed to bypass New Orleans. The city learned early that Saturday that the hurricane would in fact hit New Orleans. Because it was the weekend, a lot of people weren't up watching the news and didn't find out about the hurricane until late in the afternoon. That hindered the evacuation effort. The fed's response was terrible. Sometimes it takes some cussin' like Nagin had to do to get the point across. Prayfully, cities, states and the federal government have learned from this experience and have begun to formulate better evacuation plans.


Hell yeah, Dienne! Nagin is and was an embarassment and I predict his reelection will hinder the reconstruction of New Orleans.


Sen.Clinton and Barak Obama will both be leading contenders in the future of our country.....how, when, exactly what roles.....is all a matter of time! And I say.....it's none too soon.
What is wrong with brilliance, self-confidence,
public serice, experience, leaders who are respected more than than just by a few people, but by leaders all over the country and, in Hillary's case....all over the world.
CLINTON....OBAMA.....CLINTON.....OBAMA....CLINTON:
"GET USED TO IT!"


Yes, please nominate people who have NO chance of winning the election. Smart move, Dems. You really need to take a look at how the majority of Americans feel and vote instead of NY/CA.


Hey Sam - do you always name-call, or are you just having a bad day? It seems to me that the person who needs school is the one who doesn't capitalize proper names, such as Newt or Clinton.


Clinton-Obama will be best ever in rewards to the marginalized blacks both in the US and Africa. Clinton has frequently visited Africa and displayed a high sense of compassion and Obama originates from Kenya so there is no way he can forget his continent. And in case of another Katrina or similar catastrophe, the White House response will be very different with Clinton-Obama at the helm. Besides, Obama,a fellow Lwo, will be strategically positioned to assume the presidency of the world's most powerful nation. Full weight for the duo from Afrca.


Hey, John Owona, Obama was born in the US, and his mother is American. His father is Kenyan. How does that make Africa 'his' continent?


I think people need to remeber that Hillary in the White House, means Bill in the White House, which a lot of people are going to love, after 8 Years of Bush People are going to be yearning for the peace and prosperity of the Clinton era, Bill is hugely popular even now, even though Hillary will be prez, Bill will defintely have a lot of influence, plus with Bill on the road campaigning for his wife, they have a good chance, even in the south, Arkansas for example will likely go with Clinton in 08


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