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July 1, 2011

In-state tuition petition by the numbers

A giddy group of mostly freshman Republican delegates and their staff and spouses turned in 74,980 signatures to the secretary of state's office last night -- filling thirteen boxes with petitions from Marylanders who oppose The Dream Act.

Last night's haul brings the total number of signatures gathered to 132,485. The group needs 55,736 valid signatures to bring The Dream Act to referendum. As a fun contrast, 101 senators and delegates voted for the law, which would give illegal immigrants the same college tuition discounts available to properly documented Marylanders. For more background read The Sun's story today.

Last month the group trying to repeal the law turned in 57,505 signatures, and of those 47,288 were valid. That means to succeed the group only needs 8,448 of the 74,980 signatures handed in last night to be valid -- or an 11 percent acceptance rate.

More remarkable: The group gathering petitions, MDPetitions.com, reported that they spent $7,500 on their effort. They reported having $12,000 left over. So, in essence, they spent about six cents per signature. (This does not account for volunteer time, which was considerable in this effort.)

And they were getting attaboys until the end. One couple strolling in downtown Annapolis last night stopped because they saw the boxes. The man asked if the boxes contained the first legal shipment of wine (wine by mail became legal today), when he learned the boxes were full of signatures he excitedly explained that he'd signed a petition too.

Del. Neil Parrott, who was the leader of the signature gathering effort, provided a county by county breakdown showing where signatures were gathered. Baltimore County was the hotbed of opposition with Anne Arundel County a close second (full data after the jump.)

* Photos: Top, Del. Kathy Afzali sits atop boxes of signatures; Bottom, final scramble to organize petitions before turning them in Thursday night 

 

The counties by the numbers (most recent signatures)

Allegany: 737
AA: 12,690
Balt City: 1,744
Balt County: 14,119
Calvert: 1,425
Caroline: 871
Carroll: 7,254
Cecil: 2,381
Charles: 517
Dorchester: 527
Frederick: 5,597
Garrett: 250
Harford: 8,547
Howard: 3,315
Kent: 347
Montgomery: 3,335
Prince George's: 1,660
Queen Anne's: 1,321
St. Mary's: 1,434
Somerset: 327
Talbot: 834
Washington: 4,021
Wicomico: 4,021
Worcester: 665
Posted by Annie Linskey at 10:35 AM | | Comments (36)
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These politicians figure the Illegal Aliens will be given Amnesty & Full Voting Rights of Citizens in the near future...they are probably right.

However, for us Maryland Residents, Citizens & Taxpayers...our children have to apply to the UMCP in two parts with subjective essays, racial & ethnic qualifications. The process is disgusting and I am Proud Alumni of Maryland. My children and many classmates are excluded to make way for higher tuition out of state resident and now the "Dreamers" group.

What about the Dreams of my children?

I cnat believe our government is going to allow something like this to go on. Immigrants already come to our country and get free education, free food, free housing, and dont have to pay federal taxes for 5 years. Whats up politicians? As a single mother, and because I was education myself I had to repay the welfare system thousands of dollars back while the only help they would give me was food stamps. The state never gave me anything. Maybe if we as a nation focused more on what we could do for our own; our state and country for that matter might not be hurting as it is. Sure lets pays for the immigrants to get an education so they can take more jobs away from the people that have worked them for 25 years or have already had a heritage in this country for generations. What are we doing? Really; Have we really thought this out?

I cant believe our government is going to allow something like this to go on. Immigrants already come to our country and get free education, free food, free housing, and dont have to pay federal taxes for 5 years. Whats up politicians? As a single mother, and because I was educating myself I had to repay the welfare system thousands of dollars back while the only help they would give me was food stamps. The state never gave me anything. Maybe if we as a nation focused more on what we could do for our own; our state and country for that matter might not be hurting as it is. Sure lets pay for the immigrants to get an education so they can take more jobs away from the people that have worked them for 25 years or have already had a heritage in this country for generations. What are we doing? Really; Have we really thought this out?

This is great news. I'll be glad when the citizens of MD vote this bill down. This is a perfect example of how out of touch the politicians in this state are with the people.

Hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray!

Wow, totally neutral coverage from The Baltimore Sun. I'm surprised, and pleased.

My concern is all of the idiiots who did not even read this bill who were against it when they found out the it was geared to help another race of people , especially with all of those county racist involved you never know what reason they are doing it. No I don't think that people should get a pass for being illegal here in this country but if because of their skin tone that is something else . these county racist have shown how much of bigots they are all the time ,especially when it comes to baltimore city. they come to the city too their drugs then run back too the county and thumb their noses at everyone who live in baltimore city.

This bill needs to be defeated. The proponents say it's the caring thing to do. Let's remember, because Maryland is a sanctuary state, the parents of these kids, and the kids themselves, have been allowed to live here illegally for years without fear of deportation. The kids have also gotten a free K-12 education. I think they already gotten quite enough from the citizens of Maryland. If they want to go to our colleges, they should pay the max amount. Maybe even MORE.

kwolf443, YOU are the racist.

To the few race-baiters here, I don't recall the petition I signed mentioning ANYTHING about race or skin color of applicant being a factor. It is the fact that someone who doesn't even belong here is getting preferred treatment over a legal and law-abiding US citizen. Even in MD, this type of baiting won't work!

Hmm. Take the number of signers for each county and divide by the population of that county (available from Census data). That gives the percentage of each county's population that signed the petition. Now correlate those percentages with ethnic percentages for each county (also available from Census data).

The correlation between "percent signers" and "percent White-non-Hispanic" is 0.561. That is the only positive correlation! The correlations between "percent signers" and "percent other ethnic group" are -0.341, -0.515, -0.427, and -0.300 for Hispanic, African-American, American Indian, and Asian-American, respectively -- all negative.

What this means is that the four jurisdictions with the lowest percentages of White-non-Hispanic people, namely, Prince George's, Baltimore City, Charles, and Montgomery, happen to have the lowest percentages of signers, namely 0.2%, 0.27%, 0.36%, and 0.34% -- all less than half a percent.

Barbara, you claim the state never gave you anything yet you also claim you had to "repay the welfare system" and that you were getting food stamps. Clearly, the state gave you a lot.

Its so sickening to read absolutely absurd statements. Illegal immigrants don't owe federal income tax for 5 years!? Where the heck did that come from? Free food? Free housing? Holy cow... Come on, do you people seriously believe the crap you spew? Next you're going to tell me that the O'Malley will personally give a BJ to any illegal immigrant who wants one.

The whole sanctuary state thing is silly too, its an invention of race baiting extremists. What they mean is that the police will not report someone to INS if they believe them to be illegal. Why? Because if an illegal is scared to come in contact with the police, they are less likely to report crimes, or act as a witness to crimes. That makes them a victim class. Even if you don't object to them being victims of crime (people mugging them because they know they can get away with it), having people who are so easily victimized invites crime into an area and propagates it. In other words the police don't report less serious crimes so they can more easily prosecute more serious crimes. Illegals can still be deported.

I love seeing the democratic process at work.

Does anyone know how to confirm our signature counted?

Hey Just Me;

What you wrote and based on your logic clearly explains why we need to get the illegals out of the state, not welcome them in. To quote, you wrote "having people who are so easily victimized invites crime into an area and propagates it" meaning just having illegals in this state, even if they aren't committing any other crimes, are instigating crime by being a "victim race" as you put it. I don't buy your ridiculous logic, but by your own words you make it clear that we need to get them the heck out of MD before they totally ruin this state. Certainly we shouldn't help them.

Please ! To those that may see this as a racial issue. Bull!!! I was on of the folks that Collected those petitions on by one in Baltimore County and City ..There was no race issues involved. There was a at least for me a sincere interest in the issue the signers were from all walks of life and quite diverse.To make that clear in fact 10 of the 109 signers I gathered were LEGAL immigrants and their families...P.S. about a third said they wished to see a peition on the issue of MD drivers licenses to the undocumented drivers on the ballot as well....

So just who were these "101 senators and delegates voted for the law" so that they can be clearly identified for the 2012 election?

It's a no-brainer - illegal is illegal. You want to live and work in this country and have your children live, get an education and a job in this country, along with reaping the government benefits of this country - then enter here legally - period!

If you and your children are here illegally then deportation is in order (guess who foots the bill for this too). We should send a bill to the countries where these people are coming from for the expense of the deportation.

I would never dream of entering another country illegally and then "demanding" my "rights" to be a "burden" on the country I've illegally entered.

We should follow France's lead and deport, deport, deport!

And if the bleeding heart liberal politicians want to hand them yet another "benefit" let them scrap what it costs per year out of their own personal bank accounts!

They are cutting what was once basic K-12 education classes from the budgets of our schools as the money allocated can no longer be found, and at the same time U.S. birth rates for U.S. citizens has been in a steady decline!

You don't have to be a genius to see that we need to not only tighten our belts as we are in a recession, but need to get rid of those people and programs that are illegally draining from our government and tax payer dollars! Soon we won't be able to educate, or "compassionately" support our legal citizens.

Our government is facing bankruptcy (Fourth of July vacations were canceled so our politicians in DC can figure out how to avoid it.)

No, the sanctuary thing is not silly, and everyone knows it. Except perhaps the apologists like Casa de Maryland. As an example, Maryland is one of the few states that does not require a birth certificate or other certified document to get a drivers license. Only a current bill showing a name and address is required. This is certainly NO proof of legal status. That is exactly the sort of thing that draws illegal immigrants (of all nationalities) to Maryland. This sort of thing has got to stop, not continue to expand...

Wow!!! What a relief to see American citizens finally take a stand against another free pass for illegal aliens. Maybe you could take a greater stand and vote out the 101 politicians who voted for this nonsense.

The people of this Great Nation are getting sick and tired of having to pay for "ILLEGAL ALIENS and DEPENDENTS" benefits!! The Government is not doing its job by not DEPORTING these ILLEGALS. Remember your elected representatives that introduced and voted for this bill when ELECTION TIME rolls around. USE YOUR VOTE WISELY!!

PSURavens, I said "victim class," and what makes them a "victim class" isn't that they are illegals, its that if this were not a "sanctuary state" they would not have access to law enforcement. Illegals are in danger of deportation in MD. They simply aren't in danger of deportation if they report a crime or come out as a witness to a crime. Let's put it differently:

Let's say you were robbed on a street. An illegal alien was present on the other side of the street, 300 feet away -- minding his own business. Wouldn't you want that alien to testify against the person who robbed you... or to provide details to the police about the person who robbed you without fear of being deported for trying to help? What if him testifying made the difference between putting the robber away in jail for the next 10 years or him walking the streets free? Do you really want the alien getting deported for trying to put a violent robber in jail?

Charlie, the "Dreamers" group consists of roughly 100 students per year (based on tuition cost and the amount of money in question) for the entire University of MD system. I don't know how many students there are in the entire system, but its probably close to 50k, College Park alone is probably around 22-25k. So we are talking at most 1% and probably SIGNIFICANTLY less. In addition, the bill does not give "Dreamers" any sort of preference in admission whatsoever. It merely gives them access to in-state tuition. So what you are saying is you don't feel like your kids can compete against someone else from an underprivledged background on an equal footing. Cry me a river...

You stupid people. Let's see, a bill that in a worst case according to republicans will cost MD taxpayers $3.5 million a year so that 17-18 year old children can go to colllege has a petition drive to repeal it, but a 9% sales tax on alcohol that will cost us over $85 Million a year has no petition drive? Apparently it is about more than the money, it is also about those who don't speak English. What do you think? These kid's parents have paid taxes and gone to high school for at least 3 years now want to go to a community college. I'd rather have them in school then in a gang, what do you think? PS blog author, it is not an in-state tuition discount, it is an out-of-state premium.

Just Me - Learn to read some. They didn't say illegals got all of those things free. They said immigrants. And yes, many legal immigrants do get alot of free things in order to prop them up when they LEGALLY migrate.

Just Me - Learn to read some. They didn't say illegals got all of those things free. They said immigrants. And yes, many legal immigrants do get alot of free things in order to prop them up when they LEGALLY migrate.

kwolf all the so called politicians in Annapolis had to do was leave the Illegals out of the bill.Ramirez wanted this as did O'malley,Miller and Busch for the hispanic vote.

Talk about the lowest percentage with non-Hipsanic whites having the lowest signatures is pure horse pucky. I collected signatures in PG county. I approached black and white and signatures were about equal. It's actually largely where the petition drives were held, mostly at events near the organizers.

Privileged bastards are the people who signed this petition. Everyone deserves the right to an attainable education #FWYH

Barbara, you're exactly what's wrong with the system. You're complaining about others coming in and sharing the welfare benefits that you received?

Instead of being a single mother you should've stayed with your husband/baby-daddy or gotten yourself another one. The state (local, state, federal) should not pay because of your inability to form relationships and your choice to have bastardchildren.

Parasitism is parasitism and regardless of race it needs to end. Stop the mooching.

While Baltimore County was very impressive, and I've gathered many signatures here, even more impressive is Carroll County given its low population. It has something like a 10th of Montgomery County's population yet turned in 7000 signatures. There was a well organized effort in Carroll and Harford Counties. I'm also impressed by the increased numbers from the Eastern Shore, a very conservative area that finally had more volunteers working apparently. Its also important to know that most petitioners volunteered their own time and money (like driving and printing out forms) while CASA, the illegal advocay group relied on paid thugs and goons to intimidate our volunteers and signers.

Good to see that at least one state is getting it right! Stop giving an unfair advantage to people who break our countries laws with total disregard. Now, cut off all other services to illegals, like schooling, food stamps, section 8, welfare, drivers licenses, health care...

Count this generally pretty liberal...
and generally democratic voted among those in those boxes.

POLS: This and three or four other hot button social issues are what separate most citizens... not the rest of the sturm and drang surrounding the issues.

Show some guts and make the tough calls.

For those that think that taxpayers should subsidize $3.5mn per year to give in-state tuition for an illegal immigrant who won't be able to get a job, why not spend the $3.5mn to help illegals become citizens instead, so that they will qualify for in-state tuition and be employable, productive citizens for life?

Seems like a lot of people who are for the dream act like to label people who are against it as "racist", when race really doesn't have much to do with it.

They assume that the only illegals in this country are hispanic, when that just isn't true.

There are non-hispanic illegals that come european countries as well.

But some people just like to throw out emotionally charged statements to try and increase the frenzy.

If they were that worried about helping immigrants FOR REAL, then they would change the immigration laws to make it easier to get in to the country legally.

To kwolf443 and other race baiters: As Larry Wilmore said, "the race card is maxed out." It doesn't work any more. If you use it on us, we will respond politely, but instantly and fight back twice as hard at whatever you throw at us.

Porgie Tirebiter is right. It seems to me that Casa Maryland has a lot more racists than the folks who organized the petition drive and those who signed it.

Firesign fan who was born liberal and is tired of blue-state B.S.

Thankfully we have enough signatures to bring this to the people of Maryland for a final decision. I for one have nieces and nephews that are LEGAL citizens of the state of Pa that would love to go to College in Maryland. They aren't afforded the luxury of in-state tuition and an illegal alien is?? Makes no sense to me at all. I say they need to go home come here as legal immigrants and then reap the benefits of the states that they choose to live in.

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Annie Linskey covers state politics and government for The Baltimore Sun. Previously, as a City Hall reporter, she wrote about the corruption trial of Mayor Sheila Dixon and kept a close eye on city spending. Originally from Connecticut, Annie has also lived in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, where she reported on war crimes tribunals and landmines. She lives in Canton.

John Fritze has covered politics and government at the local, state and federal levels for more than a decade and is now The Baltimore Sun’s Washington correspondent. He previously wrote about Congress for USA TODAY, where he led coverage of the health care overhaul debate and the 2010 election. A native of Albany, N.Y., he currently lives in Montgomery County.

Julie Scharper covers City Hall and Baltimore politics. A native of Baltimore County, she graduated from The Johns Hopkins University in 2001 and spent two years teaching in Honduras before joining The Baltimore Sun. She has followed the Amish community of Nickel Mines, Pa., in the year after a schoolhouse massacre, reported on courts and crime in Anne Arundel County, and chronicled the unique personalities and places of Baltimore City and its surrounding counties.
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