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March 14, 2011

Undocumented students cheer vote for tuition bill

A bill providing in-state tuition discounts for illegal immigrants at Maryland's public colleges and universities just cleared the state Senate on a 27 to 20 vote -- and the issue moves to the House.

A group of students, many of whom identified themselves as in the country illegally, watched the debate and cheered afterward. Many wore graduation gowns to signal their enthusiasm for education. (Some are pictured to the left with Sen. Victor Ramirez who sponsored the bill. Photo credit: Julie Bykowicz.)

The bill requires that illegal immigrants live and work in Maryland for three years before they qualify for lower tuition at state colleges and universities. It is a higher bar than legal citizens who move here from out of state.

The House is set to hold a hearing on the bill next week, though it is unclear if the body will vote on the measure before session is out. Some believe it will share the same fate as same sex marriage, which passed in the upper chamber only to be shelved in the House.

Supporters contended that the bill is intended to provide opportunities to children, many of whom did not choose to immigrate illegally. “This is about education and what the future of Maryland looks like,” said Sen. Victor Ramirez, who sponsored the bill. “It is not about immigration. These kids didn’t make the decision to move to Maryland. Their parents did.”

The bill would save qualifying students from $4,000 to $6,000 a year at community college, according to a legislative analysis. For those who go on to a four-year institution, the savings would increase. In-state tuition at the University of Maryland, College Park this year is $8,655; nonresidents pay $25,795.

Legislative analysts estimate that the bill would cost the state about $800,000 next year, but could grow to $3.5 million by 2016.

Legal residents have to live in the state for three months before becoming eligible for low rates at community colleges. It takes one year of residency to qualify for in-state rates at the four-year universities.

The General Assembly passed similar legislation in 2003 but it was vetoed by then-Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., a Republican. Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley has said he will sign the bill if it reaches his desk.

Illegal immigration has grown more controversial on the state level over the last decade, and some who supported extending benefits to illegal immigrants no longer do.

Sen. Robert A. Zirkin voted for the 2003 version when he was in the House of Delegates but did not support it yesterday. The Baltimore County Democrat said he’s had an “evolution” in his thinking. “I’ve learned a lot more about how immigration works,” he said.

Ten other states offer in-state tuition to illegal immigrants, but none are closer than New York. Republicans said the legislation would attract throngs of undocumented workers to Maryland.

Posted by Annie Linskey at 10:39 PM | | Comments (255)
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How sad for Maryland and America that so many MD politicians have turned stupid at the same time. Will common sense ever prevail??

Enough already, lets put this to a vote in the Elections! ILLEGAL means no in-state tuition, this is another reason why our state will be joining the others in getting rid of the liberals that think we can give away everyone's money!

Can someone explain this to me? If this became law, they say to be eligible for in-state tuition if you're in the country illegally you have to show you've lived in the state for 3 years prior and worked during that time, but how can you work if you're not here legally? Am I missing something?
And are there requirement for living in the state after you graduate? One of the alleged benefits is providing education to people who couldn't otherwise afford it but if they're not providing an economic benefit to the state after graduation, then why give this to them? Wouldn't that just encourage a mass migration to MD 3 years prior to your kids going to school and a mass exodus after they graduate? Again, am I missing something here?And are there requirement for living in the state after you graduate? One of the alleged benefits is providing education to people who couldn't otherwise afford it but if they're not providing an economic benefit to the state after graduation, then why give this to them? Wouldn't that just encourage a mass migration to MD 3 years prior to your kids going to school and a mass exodus after they graduate? Again, am I missing something here? And are there requirement for living in the state after you graduate? One of the alleged benefits is providing education to people who couldn't otherwise afford it but if they're not providing an economic benefit to the state after graduation, then why give this to them? Wouldn't that just encourage a mass migration to MD 3 years prior to your kids going to school and a mass exodus after they graduate? Again, am I missing something here? And are there requirement for living in the state after you graduate? One of the alleged benefits is providing education to people who couldn't otherwise afford it but if they're not providing an economic benefit to the state after graduation, then why give this to them? Wouldn't that just encourage a mass migration to MD 3 years prior to your kids going to school and a mass exodus after they graduate? Again, am I missing something here?And are there requirement for living in the state after you graduate? One of the alleged benefits is providing education to people who couldn't otherwise afford it but if they're not providing an economic benefit to the state after graduation, then why give this to them? Wouldn't that just encourage a mass migration to MD 3 years prior to your kids going to school and a mass exodus after they graduate? Again, am I missing something here?

where can we get a list showing how each senator voted?

It's good to see our MD senators voting for what's JUST and FAIR, and not bending to the vitriolic rhetoric that so often skews this debate. These are children - highly motivated, talented, and dedicated young people that we should be proud to claim as Marylanders and encourage to continue to contribute to our state.

Maryland Sen. Victor Ramirez is following the illegal alien game plan that was perfected in Los Angeles years ago. He does not consider himself an American. He is, first and foremost, a latino who uses our political system that, unlike his home country, is not totally class oriented. Back home, he would be in the fields or washing cars, but in America is is able to be a man of power among "his people". You can expect lots more like him because I guarantee you the Spanish language media all over America is covering this story of latino victory. Yes, that is how they will cover it.
I grew up in P.G. county, then moved to Columbia before going to L.A. It's sad to see you make the same mistakes, because you cannot begin to realize how this is going to negatively impact Maryland.

Let me get this right. Gay and lesbians pay taxes in this state and can't get legal marriage but we are going to pay to let illegals get in-state tuition? Real equal rights. I want my taxes back. Gee, did the illegals suffer long enough to get cheaper tuition?

Aside from the crucial argument of fairness, that is, there should be no reward for illegal behavior, we really don't need these kids in our system. That argument, that the aliens will contribute, is absurd. If deported, as they should be, their contribution is if anything negative: we have to pay the cost of law enforcement and deportation. Plus the vast majority, which in Maryland, happen to be Central Americans, come from ethnic groups with less success in production of high income, business startups or captial formation. I dont see many Koreans, Russian Jews, Chinese or Lebanese parading around the State House in "gowns". Pehaps Rep. Ramirez would like to share his constituents' recent average SAT scores with us. In fact,most don't take the SAT,and not because they can't afford college. Private colleges, staffed by PC obsessed admissions officers, would die to admit these interlopers. But even the George Washington an Georgetown U's, let alone Hopkins, Goucher and Loyalas, can't dilute standards enough for this poorly educated collection of PG,Montgomery, Baltimore County and Baltimore City "grads" who rarely pass an AP test or win national scholarships. We don't need illegals; we can't find jobs for bright, legal citizens. When Obama's fiascos in Central Asia are over, we'll have huge problem in gainfully educationg and employing our veterans.

MDvoter, ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL! They may be children BUT THEY ARE UNDOCUMENTED and DO NOT BELONG HERE!!!! Get the heck out of the US and DO NOT RETURN! That's not just and fair! That's taking more money out of the taxpayers (I being one) hands that goes towards Undocumented Pablo's education!

GO HOME YOU ILLEGALS!

This is an issue that needs to be put to a state-wide referendum and watch it just get tore up!

See this is what you get with our socialist party of Maryland. Illegals welcome, higher taxes, speed and red-light cameras...

And now coming soon, YOU ARE GONNA PAY FOR PABLO'S EDUCATION and all these illegals are going to be flocking to Maryland noting that we are a slowly becoming a "sancutary state"

RECALL O'MALLEY AND MARYLAND'S CONGRESS!

Is this progress for Maryland? NO!

Is this moving Maryland forward? NO!

Congress has bigger fish to fry! Like a $3 billion deficit that hinders our state.

This is a crying shame... Just an absolute crying shame. Maryland's IQ has got to be 50 right now

Ramirez and anyone else who voted for this should be tried for aiding and abetting criminal behavior.

This is going to be challenge in court for letting the State aid in breaking federal law. If It passes. Groups are already to file the paper work so it is a big waste of the goverments time n effort. We have more important issues,

These elected officials clearly care more about PC BS than they do the average voter and tax payer, The rule of law stands for nothing anymore.
Why bother passing the law? Why not just grant the little criminal aliens free tuition and ignore the laws? The criminal invaders ignore our immigration, tax, and worker verification laws!

Bravo to Bobby Zirkin, He saw the righting on the wall and the strong feelings of the people he represents. Who said politicians are stupid when it comes to their own jobs?

So. ILLEGAL aliens now have more rights in my own state then I do? Classic! Thanks.

Illegals are just that - illegal. Can someone explain this to me? Why are they allowing illegal aliens any breaks at all? State employees haven't gotten any breaks - only days off without pay, no increments, reduced staff, etc. The $750 so called bonus will be lumped in with your regular paycheck - which will push you up into a higher tax bracket so we might see a little difference when all is said and done. That doesn't make up for the fact that our prescription coverages is going up and what about the pension? Enough is enough. Maybe I should become an "illegal" state worker - maybe then someone will do something for me.

If I park illegally downtown for three years, do I qualify for reduced parking rates?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is under bill SB167 and the Sponsors are: Senator Victor R. Ramirez, District 47 Senator Joanne C. Benson, District 24 Senator Joan Carter Conway, District 43 Senator Ulysses Currie, District 25 Senator Bill Ferguson, District 46 Senator Jennie M. Forehand, District 17 Senator Rob Garagiola, District 15 Senator Lisa A. Gladden, District 41 Senator Verna L. Jones-Rodwell, District 44 Senator Delores G. Kelley, District 10 Senator Nancy J. King, District 39 Senator Richard S. Madaleno, Jr., District 18 Senator Roger P. Manno, District 19 Senator Karen S. Montgomery, District 14 Senator Paul G. Pinsky, District 22 Senator Catherine E. Pugh, District 40 Senator Jamie Raskin, District 20 Senator James N. Robey, District 13
As of March 9 tallies were:
http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/votes_comm/sb0167_ehe.pdf

Seriously?!?! They passed this?!?! Geez--if someone breaks into your home, and then stays, it doesn't matter how nice they may be while staying--they BROKE INTO YOUR HOME ILLEGALLY!! These kids and their parents need to be sent packing--not rewarded for being here illegally!!!

Shouldnt this be illegal? Illegal Immigrants have no business being in the US. So I dont know why Fartin O'Malley shows high support for them. And of course this is why O'Malley is proposing to raise the gas tax. Just so he can have more money to give to illegal immigrants. But yet on top of that State workers are having to take furlough. And even face lay off with no advance warning.

I lived in MD for 18 years but now live in Virginia in a suburb of DC; 10 miles from the state line. What do my kids have to do to get in-state tuition rates at MD schools?

This is simply unbelievable. We do need to remember this at election time next year. Really a slap in the face for legal Marylanders.

The timing couldn't be worse. What on Earth are these Maryland Senators thinking?

For every one of these illegal immigrants that enter a MD college with decreased tuition, there will be a real citizen who gets denied admittance to a MD college. That's FAIR right?

And this is why America is going to H#$% in a handbasket with the Libs steering the ship. You have to have a mental problem to not understand that illegal means illegal go back to the country you came from, file the proper paperwork and come the right way!!! Then pay in state rates after 6 mo. like everyone else that lives or moves here.

How do we get this on a state referendum so the CITIZENS of Maryland can actually have a say? This legislature give a whole new meaning to “Free State.”

This is a sting operation.
Law enforcement will use the information given by the registered students to arrest them for deportation.
I mean state legislators take an oath to defend the constitution, right?

Is this why OWE-Mailley wants ten cents more on the gas tax?

The people who keep voting the same people into office are the real ones to blame. I love Maryland, but I am leaving because I just can't justify supporting a government that threw me overboard 20 years ago.

Congratulations! MD ( with Marty leading the charge into the Abyss), has become the laughingstock of the Mid-Atlantic. This will inevitably become law, as the House will provide little resistance, because these Democrat lawmakers don't see these people as illegal - they see them as undocumented Democrats. Regardless of what you people think about it, whether you are Republican or Democrat, they will ram this through - your complaints are falling on selectively deaf ears. Make no mistake, with Hispanics eclipsing Blacks as the largest minority nationally, this is about vote buying, not education.

How dare they lump in our Veterans with illegals in this bill!!

"Senate Bill 167 Synopsis:

Extending the period within which an honorably discharged veteran must present evidence to qualify for a resident tuition rate; establishing that specified individuals, including undocumented immigrants, shall be exempt from paying the out-of-state tuition rate at public institutions of higher education under specified circumstances; requiring specified individuals to provide documentation regarding Maryland income tax withholding; etc. "

HMMMMMMMM.....

MAKES SENSE TO ME..NEXT,GIVE EM A FREE CAR TO GET TO CLASS.

So a young man of modest means living in York, PA who has dreamed of going to the University of Maryland his entire life will pay out of state tuition but someone who is here illegally will go to UMD on a much lower in state rate? Disgusting!

Why wasn't Immigration and Customs Enforcement at the State House to round up this group of illegal aliens proudly flaunting their illegal status? And while their at it, arrest Victor Martinez for aiding and abetting. It is deporable that the State of Maryland, and especially our piece of garbage Governor are making this state a haven for illegals. Take a ride down Broadway St. near the 7-11 any given morning and you can see the illegals waiting to be picked up to go work under the table. And because of the stance of our fine politicians in the state house as well as the mayor, nothing is being done to get rid of this drain on our society. I'll bet there are plenty of law-abiding people in this state who are out of work and would give anything to do the jobs that the illegals are stealing away. The last thing the citizens of MD should be doing is rewarding the children of these people by providing educational support for them. Last night on TV, there was a poll done asking people if they support providing tuition support to illegal aliens. 97% of the people said no, we should not be providing support. Call your politician and let your voice be heard!

Treason

This state legislature just keeps on spending and expects the citizens of Maryland to keep footing the bill. Time for a Maryland TEA Party putting these legislators out of office.

The illegal's first college course should be on how important it is to follow US law. At a time where we are told we need to cut funding from our schools for GYM, ART and Music, we have plenty of money to subsidize illegal aliens who's parents have most likely been paid tax free for years. When this state becomes all takers when all the givers move out, what happens next? How long are we going to let the Democrat boys club run the state into the ground financially and morally?

The plan is to make Maryland a majority- minority state. When blacks and hispanics outnumber whites, and throw in the liberals in Montgomery County and Columbia, the democrats know they will have an solid majority. They can pass every leftwing nutjob legislation they dream of and not worry about the next election

Unbelievable. I can't believe that we are going to give lower tuition rates to those who are in this country illegally...yet, those who were born and raised here (just in a different state) have to pay higher rates. Where is the logic in that? Keep in mind that we will be granting these kids lower rates AFTER our taxes paid for them to attend our public high schools as well...brilliant. I'm all for education, it's imperative that we focus on it, however, our focus needs to be on citizens of our country...how is this unclear to anyone!?

I just do not understand the concept of our Elected Officials willingly and purposely violating Federal and State Law by supporting Illegal or Undocumented Aliens. Especially when it takes away our own rights that we should enjoy as Legal Citizens of this State and Country. How can an Elected Official look at it constituency in the eye and tell us, your rights are secondary compared to the Illegal Undocumented Aliens. It’s not the people of this State or Country that promote Discrimination; it is our Elected Officials who practice the very concept of Discrimination by supporting Undocumented or Illegal Aliens over and above its Citizens.

This is just proof that this country is going to the shi*ter. My daughter is looking at colleges now, but due the the cost, must attend one here in Maryland- she really wanted to go to Penn State. We are US citizens, my husband is an Army vet, and we dont get a discount? How is it that the illegals get the discount when they are here illegally? Its just not right- and then we end up paying for it.

I just do not understand gays and lesbians cannot get married but illegal immigrants come to Maryland for whatever. I live here in Maryland all my dam life and no one ever given me anything and I also live by the laws as well. When this is all going to end.

Welcome to the THIRD WORLD STATE OF MARYLAND...............

I don't believe it. Who are the people in the state senate anyway? Here these people are, can't even provide the basic qualifications for being a citizen in this country let alone the state, and your going to let them get in-state tuition. They had better not. We have too little money in this state for everything as is, why are you going to start handing tings over to illegals?

Then to make matters worst, your only making the state a safe haven for illegal immigration. I do not want to be a safe haven for that! These idiots in Annapolis need to adopt a more Arizona like stance on this matter, even if only a little bit.

I think it is riducous illegals are getting all these breaks. Havent they sucked enough off of us. If you are illegal how come they are in this country anyway. The goverment is up to alot of stuff we dont know about anyway. I love this country with all my heart but stop making us look stupid enogh is enough. That is why this country is like it is having the problems it does. Stop all the illegals sucking up our income and so forth. Get real!

I live in the district and pay $2300 per class at UMUC. While I don't believe I should be eligible for in-state tuition I cant help but think that the the high tuition imposed on me will help underwrite the subsidized education of illegal immigrants.

This is a ridiculous piece of legislation for a state that is raising property taxes and cutting back on public services. If this becomes law I'll look to take classes in Virginia. If things get really desperate I may even consider UDC!

What part of "illegal" don't they understand? This same legislature does not want to give LEGAL citizens the right to marry but are willing to spend our hard earned money for people breaking the law. Don't the tax payers have a say in where their money goes?

Do our senators even know how ridiculous this is? Pretty soon, illegals will run the state of Maryland and perhaps our country! We're giving them far too much and yet, they don't even pay taxes!

give me a break

WHIEL IN THE USAF STATIONED IN SC. I WAS TOLD MY DAU. DID NOT QUALIFY FOR INSTATE TUITION YET I PAID MD. TAXES AND HAD A MD DRIVERS LIC. WHAT A KICK IN THE A##.

MARYLAND Remember is the FREE state... too all !! EXCEPT those who were Born here, raised here, and pay TAXES here. We would love to move but can't afford it !!!

JUST SIGNED VOTER'S PARTY AFFILIATION FORM. CHANGED FROM DEMOCRAT TO REPUBLICAN. DON'T LIKE THE RESULTS. SEEMS SOMETIMES I AM NOT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I T SEEMS THAT DECISIONS FOR AMERICANS ARE BEING MADE BY EVERYBODY BUT AMERICANS.

Just another case of total BULLSHIT. No better way to say it!!

Let's see if I have this right, even though I lived and paid taxes in Maryland for over 30 years, because I moved to a neighboring state several years ago, my kids no longer qualify for Maryland in State tuition, but if I was an illegal alien living in Maryland for the past 3 years my kids would qualify. That's fair.

Another reason to move to AZ.

Yes, I'm fuming. DBM refused to pay for my Tamiflu last flu season because I'd had the flu a month earlier-they won't pay twice in a 6 month period. I'm one of those unfortunate people who has lupus, diabetes, had been through chemo, neutropenic fever & radiation. Flu could prove fatal is such situations.Through appeals, they still refused to pay. So if you're a beneficiary of the state employee's pharmacy plan-don't get the flu twice in 6 months. Thank goodness, I was able to pay for the medication-what happens to those who cannot pay? And yet you will pay all of this taxpayer money for the undocumented.

Mi casa es su casa. So shut up and pay your taxes, I need an education.

This is not fair I quess they will pay for tutution also. my daughter has worked hard her school years honor society ap classes etc... We are trying to fiqure out how we are going to pay for college I have 2nd job so does husband. Yet someone illegally here gets free ride, what is wrong with this picture?

interesting that many of them identified themselves as illegal-- why were they not arrested and deported?

We as citizens should be able to arrest the police for not doing their job!!!!

F Maryland. I'm moving when my house is paid off next year. I'm not paying for the worlds education when i cannot even afford to pay for my own kids way through college. And all because i am a white male.

We should all Legally immigrate to Mexico, then Illegally immigrate back for all the great tax-free options that Maryland offers to out of state criminals.

By the way, this is the best comment i've ever read on The Sun.... Pattie wrote "If I park illegally downtown for three years, do I qualify for reduced parking rates?"

You hit the nail on the head, it's truly a shame we have politicians running the state. Logic does not apply anymore.

Is there a militia in this state? If not there should be.

Someone called this just and fair? BS! I did tons of paperwork, interviews and crap to come here legaly! And I paid out of state tuition! Making it easier to these losers to live here than people how do it the right way is fair?? And they're spending my tax dollars to do it; that's pretty f-ing far from fair. I don't even know why I went to shitty maryland anyway, maybe time leave so you can enjoy your illegal drug dealers instead

Legal tax-paying Maryland U.S. citizens need to stage a Day of Rage.

First they started taking the JOBS.

NOW they are overtaking the schools. Maryland hasn't even started helping the city schools yet and now this. Something needs to be done.. Once the bills goes into effect its over. DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW MANY ILLEGALS THERE ARE IN MARYLAND ALONE. I read reports estimating about 100,000 illegal aliens in MARYLAND There parents are ILLEGAL.


UNION WORKERS, U THINK TIMES ARE TOUGH RIGHT NOW, WELL WAIT THREE YEARS WHEN ALL THESE ILLEGALS ARE MORE EDUCATED AND HAVE A DEGREE. THEY WILL NOT HESITATE TO TAKE YOUR JOB. ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. IM SORRY.


We just saw Arizona got taken over by illegal immigrants. The politicians are just helping them because they work for practically nothing. THAT IS NOT A MYTH. they really do work under the table. Every one of them!
DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW MANY ILLEGALS THERE ARE IN MARYLAND ALONE.
ILLEGAL ALIENS.

How can Maryland cut them breaks and not TEACHERS or UNION people or the children of BALTIMORE. What happened to this State or country for that matter.?

Teachers should be protesting this.

Hundreds of thousands illegal aliens come here every year.

TEACHEERS AND UNION PEOPLE. your future IS GOING to be LARGELY affected by this.! I assure!


coming here soon. Even the rich will affected by this tuition break. Watch. And see.

People. WE ALL need to WAKE UP.

I am a VOTING DEMOCRAT ! My first thought .... Are you kidding?
This is NOT how my tax monies should be spent. Illegal folks happen to be from out of state and should pay the same as the guy from New Jersey. This is not something that should pass EVER!
Did I mention that I VOTE!! (oh and legally I might Idd)

JUST E-MAILED MY REP'S, SEN BILL FERGUSON,LUKE CLIPPINGER,PETE HAMMEN, AND BRIAN MCHALE THANKING THEM FOR OPENING MY EYES AFTER ALL THESE YEARS AS A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT SINCE JULY 1969.DISAPPOINTED IN THEIR YOUNG AND IMMATURE NATURE. WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THEM AGAIN AS I HAVE CHANGED TO REPUBLICAN PARTY AS OF TODAY. TA TA

Problem is, this is treating the symptom of a bigger problem: There isn't a legitimate way for people to immigrate to the US. So they come illegally.

So many are coming illegally its impossible to control. We simply don't have the resources.

We need immigration reform that lets people come in a controlled manner, then we can be very strict on those who come illegally.

Treating the symptoms instead of addressing the root cause is really slacker work of the politicians.

How can any of Maryland's elected officials vote in favor of this bill at a time when the MD budget deficit is billions of dollars. It is lucidrous the bill is even being considered for a vote. God help the hard working tax payers of MD and not the illegals.

JUST REGISTERED AS REPUBLICAN, THANK YOU DEMOCRATS FOR SHOWING YOUR TRUE ALLEGIANCE.

Where are the incentives to become a legal citizen if you are able to get all of the percs without any of the work. No financial forms no tax forms. Huh..must be nice!

I consider this legislation a slap in the face to all those legal immigrants trying to make it in the US (MD). This bill encourages and rewards illegal immigration over legal immigration. Not sure I follow how this is in the best interest of Maryland and it's tax payers.

Specifically this bill calls out non immigrant visas as out of state-

People who come here for work, intend to continue working on an H visa, they pay out of state tuition with this bill. Working visas are not immigrant visas.

If this were to assist fairly with all tax paying residents of maryland then great, but not all tax paying residents qualify for in state tuition based on their visa status and these people are here legally and have proper sponsorship.

First they started taking the JOBS.

NOW they are overtaking the schools. Maryland hasn't even started helping the city schools yet and now this. Something needs to be done.. Once the bills goes into effect its over. DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW MANY ILLEGALS THERE ARE IN MARYLAND ALONE. I read reports estimating about 100,000 illegal aliens in MARYLAND There parents are ILLEGAL.


UNION WORKERS, U THINK TIMES ARE TOUGH RIGHT NOW, WELL WAIT THREE YEARS WHEN ALL THESE ILLEGALS ARE MORE EDUCATED AND HAVE A DEGREE. THEY WILL NOT HESITATE TO TAKE YOUR JOB. ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. IM SORRY.


We just saw Arizona got taken over by illegal immigrants. The politicians are just helping them because they work for practically nothing. THAT IS NOT A MYTH. they really do work under the table. Every one of them!
DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW MANY ILLEGALS THERE ARE IN MARYLAND ALONE.
ILLEGAL ALIENS.

How can Maryland cut them breaks and not TEACHERS or UNION people or the children of BALTIMORE. What happened to this State or country for that matter.?

Teachers should be protesting this.

Hundreds of thousands illegal aliens come here every year.

TEACHEERS AND UNION PEOPLE. your future IS GOING to be LARGELY affected by this.! I assure!


coming here soon. Even the rich will affected by this tuition break. Watch. And see.

People. WE ALL need to WAKE UP.

NICE...we have a budget crisis and are considering cutting into the pensions of those hardworking LEGAL taxpaying Marylanders...no we ARE going to cut into their pensions, it's just a matter of time. but instead of cutting fat out of the budget, or spending wisely on new programs...our state gives us this LUNACY! the faster this state crumbles the better as far as I am concerned! this just makes no sense at all considering the current economic environment.

Racism?.....nah, that's dead and gone!

they already took over the west coast. Why stop there?

GOOD NEWS "VIVA MD"IF THEY BUY FOOD,BEER,ETC THEY PAYING TAXES TOO.

You have got to be kidding me. We are going to give Illegal's discounted tuition. This country is really going to the crapper. So Lets keep on educating the terrostists and let the AMERICAN PEOPLE who want an education and can't afford it lose everything. This is NOT an AMERICAN NATION anymore.

I can't imagine the influx of illegal immigrants this will bring into the state. And the massive amount of money the state will lose as a result of this. I've lived here my whole life and I'm moving if this passes.

Our politicians have not turned stupid, they are just greedy like most politicians. Greedy for the money they receive from special interests and greedy for the votes to stay in power. Elections have consequences as they say and the people of Maryland had the opportunity to change the course of what just happened. Instead, they chose to continue the same ole, same ole. Maybe the voters will think before they vote next time.

Way to go Maryland. Another huge mistake, but that's what you get when you keep the same democratic idiots in office. The good, honest, hardworking people of Maryland are losing the battle. Get out of the state while you still can.

What is it going to take to get the citizens in this country, to face the facts about Maryland and the United States. YOU HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT FROM YOUR OWN GOVERMENT for cheap labor. You can cry and protest like little spoiled girls or you can stock up on ammuition, guns, food water and truly fight for your rights and force these illegals out of the country. If the U.S. Goverment interfers, we can stop them too! Yes, TV/computer brained washed Americans, you would actually have to fight and die for your rights if necessary to take this country back. The goverment could not care less about your wimpering and protests, because they know what a bunch of spineless citizens we have become. Organize and START FIGHTING FOR YOUR RIGHTS or SHUT THE FK UP! The citizens can take back control of this country. It belongs to us, not the thiefing, back stabbing, murderous, self serving corrupt U.S. Goverment. So turn off your TV's and computer games, facebook, twitter and get your s__t together, because America has become an immoral, Godless society that can not seem to get their head out of the false fantasy of "DISNEYLAND! Michael Black
Posted March 14, 2011

Maryland is facing a serious budget deficit. Government employees are required to take pay cuts and possible furloughs. Local governments are required to do more with less money. How can we afford to subsidize education costs for illegal aliens? Have the senators lost their minds? The state of Maryland is broke. There is no money available. Therefore, the senators should personally shoulder the cost of this bill. Maryland has become an embarrassment to the world.

The governor lacks any moral or ethical conscious. The Generally Assembly has become the “House of Sodom”. The citizens must unite and vote these bastards out of office. The Senators have ignored the real problems that confront Marylanders, such as jobs, unemployment, gas/heating prices, foreclosures and health care. The Senates suppose to represent the interest of citizens of the state of Maryland. However, too many Maryland Senators have their own personal agenda. This agenda is in direct opposition to the welfare of the people of Maryland. We the people must band together and take our state from these renegades.

Maryland is becoming a socialist state. It is a shame that Victor Ramirez can bewitch Maryland Senators to support a bill that is illegal in its inception. You would think that some of the lawyers in the senate would voice their concern. Good job, Bobby Zirkin. We have had a few that will stand with us. We need the names of the senators that voted for this bill and format a strategy to vote them out of office. Until the citizens wake up and take action against these elected officials, you can expect more of the same nonsense.


Thanks,
Norman

Ok, we are in a state were we have NO money for all the needed personnel, but we can afford to give illegal imigrants tuition breaks. What about the projected deficit Maryland is going through and all the first responders, teachers, fire and police that have paid for their education and are getting pay cuts, furlough days and not to mention all the new taxes the state is imposing, but yet we have money to give to illegal immigrants for education?? How about investing that money into the state deficit and those who live, work, protect, educate and pay taxes here???? mmmm.... sounds like a great idea to me

No alarm with passage of this bill. Should it become law it will be overturned by referendum. We the people does not include migrant intruders from other countries or their children. Two illegals don't make a legal. Brazen politicians who think they can go against the will of the majority of Marylanders are a sad American tale. A testament to why they are not trusted by many folks. Keep the faith the trend and dream is deportation and securing our border against these rude intruders.

why are the politicians in Maryland so eager to give money to illegal foreigners? aren't there more important issues? How about fining illegal foreigners and deporting them? Is that wrong?

My two kids go to the University of Maryland. There's no discount for having two in college at once. My husband and I work full-time to pay for it. We don't want to saddle them with loans when we don't know if they will get jobs after graduation; we believe it's our obligation as parents to help them to succeed. I can live with paying full-fare as long as illegal immegrants don't get a discount. It's an insult. If I was in a country illegally, I don't think they would be throwing money at my children for an education. They'd be doing their best to help us find our way back home.

So...if it passes, how do I become an illegal so I finally get some good benefits. Really ?!? Are they going to pass this ? Don't be suprised at the actions some people will do or go through after it passes. Just saying...

What part of he word ILLEGAL don't the Senators understand. This is a total disgrace to the people that became citizens legally. Being a Republican, it's becoming very hard stomaching the things that are done by the Maryland legislature and Gov. O'Malley. I have no voice whatsover and am tired of it. I hope the people of this state wake up and vote these Senators and Delegates out. We already missed out of an opportunity the last election.

It's really very simple folks. Hispanics vote Democrat because Democrats make laws favoring illegals. So, Democrats stay in power. It's a vicious cycle and the law abiding tax paying citizens are the losers.

It's really very simple folks. Hispanics vote Democrat because Democrats make laws favoring illegals. So, Democrats stay in power. It's a vicious cycle and the law abiding tax paying citizens are the losers.

"Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder" - Michael Savage

WOW...I am in disbelief...Really? So I grew up in the midwest and wanted to go the U of MD engineering school. But was told that even though one my parents lived here for the past 30 years (legally) I had to pay out of state tuition because I did not graduate from high school here in MD? I am $50,000 in debt and now realize maybe I should of been more creative and said I was an illegal? hmm this is really not a happy article for those who do pay the out of state tuition.

What part of he word ILLEGAL don't they understand? If they are not here legally, they don't deserve a break. This is a disgrace to the people who are here legally. Bein a Republican, I have no voice in this state whatsoever. I wish the people of this state would wake up and vote out the Senators and Delegates involved with this travesty. We already missed out on a big opportunity from the last election. Don't let it happen again!!

The politicians pass this so they can get more votes. Keep voting democrat and they will take all your money.

Sen. Victor Ramirez, who sponsored the bill said, “It is not about immigration. These kids didn’t make the decision to move to Maryland. Their parents did.” Okay Senator, that may be true but you are giving their parents the tuition break not the kids! What 18yr-old kid pays for his/her own tuition? How is this NOT about immigration?

So....a LEGAL citizen from Delaware has to pay more to attend college in Maryland than an ILLEGAL from Mexico. Makes sense....RIGHT????

This is total BS. The justification doesn't make sense. So what if it wasn't the illegal kids' fault they are here. Their illegal parents who brought them here are the ones who benefit. They get their kids an education without paying for it. My parents, born and raised in MD and taxpayers for most of their entire lives, couldn't afford to send me to college, either. Where was my free tuition?

Reverse discrimination at its finest.

I will approve of this on one condition. I have carte blanc to break laws too.

So, can my kids that born in the US legally, sneak into Maryland to get in-state tuition? Seems that would be legal. There is no way to track them. If you're doing it for illegals, you might as well do it for out of staters.

I've never seen it, but I read once that illegal used to mean 'Get out!'

Treason in its best form! Get these idiots out of office!

This is unbelievable. Who are these people who are running our state and GIVING MY MONEY to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS????? These people should be deported ASAP. What happened to our immigration laws? Also clearly these students should be getting no breaks at all since they are not legal residents of our state or our country. On top of that my daughter who attends a local community college will most likely see a tuition increase as the result of this "break" I am fed up. It is time to take this to the steps of the statehouse and rally to let our elected officials know that we are against this plan. And maybe they could start enforcing our immigration laws in the process. Aren't they elected to UPHOLD our laws. Seems to me they are not doing this.

You people are all paranoid and nuts. None of these doomsday scenarios is ever going to happen because of this bill. Try as you might, you can't blame the economy or our other problems on these kids. Fact: when you educate people, they get better jobs, earn more money, pay more in taxes, purchase more goods and products, grow business, and use substantially less public services and entitlements. This bill makes sense and we will be the better for it when it passes. Bravo Maryland Senators!

"Supporters contended that the bill is intended to provide opportunities to children, many of whom did not choose to immigrate illegally."

So, the illegal parents chose to immigrate illegally. If you were a child, and did have a choice, wouldn't you immigrate illegally? Also, as an illegal parent, now there's more incentive. What an asinine perspective and an even more idiotic piece of legislation. Why don't they take the money and offer it to more Maryland resident low-income students that work hard and try to go to college.

This enrages me. In the face of cutbacks on the wages and health benefits of teachers, firefighters, and other gov't employees, our "leaders" give our tax dollars away, and for what benefit?
Even liberals seeking to redistribute wealth should be angry about this bill.

Next election this liberal Democrat votes Republican.

It is hard enough for LEGAL Maryland residents to get accepted and get into the University of Md. College Park is accepting a higher %of out of state residents to offset money issues and we are now making it easier for ILLEGALS to fill up more spots? Virginia is for LOVERS and Maryland is for IDIOTS! We'll be the next California if we keep encouraging and tolerating ILLEGALS!

Congrats all youf Democrats. This is exactly what you get when you forget about who this country is really for. THE ONES WHO LIVE HERE LEGALLY.

Someone need to file a lawsuit against them....where is the referendum?????

ONCE AGAIN OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DO THE OPPOSITE OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS WISHES!!!!!

I just don't get it. Well actually I do, the dems are AGAIN looking to buy future vote with tax payer subsidized money.

But what I don't get is that they are NOT new Americans (dumbest phrase ever), they are ILLEGAL (I.E. law breakers). You have the feds raiding businesses that unknowingly employ these folks because they pass along fake ID's, yet you want to give them discounted education?????

well, you IDIOTS continue to vote these crooks in, I guess you can't complain about where YOUR money goes.

WHY WAS THIS NOT UP FOR REFERENDUM? we know the answer and the outcome.

What part of ILLEGAL does the state of Md. not understand? With the state trying to raise money for short falls, why in the world would they ever let anyone even attend college at a state rate if they are not permanent residents?
Guess our leaders think only of the greed that is going on in this state by the Fat Cats hiring all the illegals. So much for our leaders looking out for the taxpayers .....Just wait and see our State of Maryland bursting at the seams like the MVA when it gave out drivers licenses to all the illegals. They will all come here, get an education and go elsewhere for jobs. Wake up Maryland !

WHY IS THERE SUCH AS THING AS "INSTATE TUITION"?
Don't all State colleges in the USA get zillions of dollars from the Federal Government?

The State is in debt and we're being taxed to death and the wacko liberal Democrats allow in state tuition to people who have broken the law and should not even be allowed in this country.
Meanwhile, the unions protest the Governor's proposed cuts.

What a joke. Give the illegals that don't belong here an education equal to that of our legal state citizens. How can the legislature be so STUPID. I feel my tax dollars are wasted. If you are not here legally than "GET OUT"!

How much should college cost?
How much should college cost?
Making the math simple here: let's say one professor teaches five courses, each course has 20 students. Each student takes five courses per semester.
Each student pays 1/20 of the professor. If the prof makes 80K/yr then tuition should be $2000 per semester. Or $16K for a four year degree.
I understand this would be only for subjects where it is all classroom, such as Math, History, Literature, and the all important Liberal Arts.
I also understand that this does not include "overhead" such as classrooms, library, dorms, cafeteria, etc. I believe that donation should pay for buildings, not the students. And doing the math for classrooms and such, it comes to a relatively small amount, like $200/semester.
Technical subject like the Sciences would cost more, due to lab costs.
Athletics pays for itself, thru ticket sales.
Library should be paid for thru donations from alumni.
That is how much college should cost. But even in-state tuitions are triple this. Go figure.

This is absolutely ridiculous!!!! That is even being considered is the ultimate in stupidty and a spit in the face of legitimate Americans! I intend to remember the names of the morons that vote "yes" for this lunacy and vote them out of office! Is there anyone in office interested in doing what is in the best interest of Americans?

I like it when the liberal supporters of this bill, and other progressive bad ideas, start the defense of thier rational with "You people are all paranoid and nuts." Please enforce the laws.

Calling an illegal immigrant an undocumented alien is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist. ILLEGAL! What part of that don't you understand? You're not supposed to be here, but you can work here? And go to school here at a discounted price?

How about we take care of all the legal tax paying Maryland residents first. If we have all this money to throw around why not lower the current tution rate for the folks who live here. In case you forgot it is the working person who pays all the taxes. I support any legal resident who pays taxes to pay in state tution. I do not support anyone getting a free ride. It is time to get these clowns out of office. They need to remember that they work for the good tax paying people of Maryland.

As someone who normally tries to stay positive, this article brought me to tears...this is no longer the America I was born in, that my grandparents fought for in WWII, that I served a few years ago. Our government is failing to see the key word about these thiefs in our country. ILLEGAL!!!!!! THEY ARE ILLEGAL, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WAKE UP GOVERNMENT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SERVE AMERICANS!!!!!!! ILLEGAL EQUALS CRIMINAL...theft is ILLEGAL, murder is ILLEGAL, treason is ILLEGAL!!!!

And YES, I said GOD, if someone doesn't like it, TOUGH, if GOD offends you, YOUR god OFFENDS ME here in the USA, GET OVER IT AND GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY, and take YOUR god WITH YOU!!!!

QUIT BEING SHEEP MY FELLOW AMERICANS, it's time to take a stand for what this country was founded on, for what we believe in and for what we want for the future of this country. NEVER GIVE UP!!!!!

UNBELIEVABLE! My whole family was born and lives in MD. We were educated here & raised our families here. We worked hard for everything we had and got it on our own with no entitlements. I sent my kids to school here, lived within my means...not in debt or with entitlements. I went to community college to be a nurse while raising my kids, I moved out of county mid year and had to pay out of county rates. This is the rule, I did, and now I am a nurse. It was extremely hard to manage college, raising kids, all the while never qualifiying for any finanacial aid.. a white, middle class class curse. Now, MD wants to grant ILLEGAL immigrants instate tuition rates if you live in the state for 3 years? i am also mother of 2 kids who excelled in high school but since we have "just enough money" we can't get any help financially for college either! When will it end? I used to love living in MD, but now, I am looking to move out one day to a place where the State government makes sense and represents their LEGAL RESIDENTS & TAXPAYERS.

I feel as if someone just stabbed me in the heart. My son went to undergrad school and did extremely well. My husband and I had to make sacrifices to make sure his tuition was paid each semester, with no discount. He worked 3 years to save enough money to attend graduate school so he wouldn't have to take out loans (with no discount). He's a "legal" US citizen and didn't get a discount in no way shape or form. So, why should an illegal alien get a discount.

I tutor students, at a local community college, who are studying for their GED. There are several illegal aliens in these classes. They receive free medical insurance, food stamps, and a free cell phone. When I asked them why, their only remark was "because we only work part-time and make very little money". This initially upset me, but I had to let it go, which I might have to do with some of our representatives the next time I vote.

Excellent.

It is nice to see the bigots are out in force.

So, the geniuses in our legislature voted to give people who are in our country illegally a substantial savings right after they decided to not allow tax paying homosexuals to get married. Not to mention, we are currently having a budget crisis, and allowing gay people to marry wouldn't hurt our bottom line while reducing tuition for undeserving students will have a negative impact.

I'm sure the kids who will benefit from this will be appreciative, right before many of them take their newfound knowledge back to their homelands. If they can become legal, then they should be able to get whatever assistance they qualify for, and I would hope it would benefit our country and/or our state. But, there is no other way to put it - this was a moronic decision. Further proof that the idiots in our legislature can't get out of their own ways. This is actually embarrassing.

in the three years they are required to be here no one has become a citizen. The laws our legislature pass have ceased to amaze me.
How is it that they can be encouraged to go to school on the taxpayers dime but not become one themselves.

this is the height of insanity SOP for the democrats.

"these childrn didn't make the decision to move to Maryland their parents did". Well how about children that live a mile or so out of state? These children and their parents are citizens. Why can't they get same tuition as illegal immigrants? After all these citizen childern did'nt make the decision to live out-of-state their parents did.

All the democrats are dancing, including Marty O' Malley in the streets. Horray!

Truly sickening to hear this. Another reason to leave MD. Our forefathers who fought for our freedom would be so proud.

My new wife and her two young children were put through a living HELL going through the LEGAL immigration process to come to the U.S. - which took over a year to process and cost us thousands of dollars. It also involved intimidation tactics by our own USCIS. Despite them being fully integrated into their new lives here, they are "conditional" resident aliens for a full two years, living under the threat of getting tossed out of their new country should they misstep and do anything "illegal." I'm having a hard time explaining to my wife how the process she and her kids went through really WAS the right and necessary thing to do, despite the temptation to simply walk into this country and start taking what you think is rightfully yours. She doesn't understand it, and quite frankly, neither to I. This legislation - and the sympathy for illegals - IS A SLAP IN THE FACE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE THIS COUNTRY, OBEY THE LAWS, AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS! I'm ashamed to say I live here....

To the morons who say this is good because they will get better jobs with this education have you forgotten they are illegal immigrants? That means they do not have a social security number, meaning they cannot not get the jobs that most college graduates apply for. Not to mention most of these criminals send the money back to the slums they came from and not keep it in the U.S. So essentially we are allowing them to get in-state tuition for a degree they cannot use becuase the companies that hire college graduates cannot legally hire them. Real smart.

I was just talking about this with a friend yesterday who told me that VETERANS AND CHILDREN OF VETERANS WHO HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY aren't going to get this help but ILLEGAL ALIENS are????WTF?
Are we to believe that our lawmakers are in favor of supporting someone who isn't even supoosed to be here is going to get preferential treatment over and above American citizens who have risked their lives to protect our freedoms and their children too? This is a true travesty!!!

Wow! I consider myself to be pretty liberal but this is insane! Let me get this straight. Someone who DOES NOT PAY TAXES and does NOT have a LEGAL right to even be in this country can receive a break on college tuition (which as a taxpayer, I get to foot the bill for), but I (who was born and raised in Maryland and has been living and working in this state my entire 37 years of life) can't even marry my partner? Really Maryland? Really? I don't care if the kids didn't have a choice to move here illegally. They're of age now and they can decide to move back to wherever they came from! Sorry illegals...if I can't get be legally married in my own state, you can't go to school here! That's my $0.02!

If O'Malley signs this bill - as far as I'm concerned he can take it a step further and sign a letter of resignation too!!!!

I have been a Maryland tax paying resident for over 30 years, my stepson of 3 years is a dependent on my wife who has a non-resident status visa. He pays out of state tuition despite that he is a dependent of a Maryland resident. In getting a greencard and having an in state status for my wife, my stepson has to go to his own visa for college purposes and again will be a dependent on us, but pay out of state tuition and since he's over 18 have to manage his own visa. He graduated from a Maryland high school satisfying the 4 years of English and so forth. I cannot describe the taste in my mouth when i read how illegals will get special treatment when intending immigrants pay out of state and follow our laws and will not be satisfied by this legislation. Two of my sons attend the same state university as an instate student. My wife has been in this country for over 5 years.

I love how I am a bigot because I dont think illegal behavior should be promoted by our government.

I am not a racist or a bigot because I am against this, that is a disingenous argument. I am agaisnt this because it is illegal, and there are familes that have lived thier whole lives in maryland, and will be denied a spot at a maryland school with in state tuition because somone broke the law to move into my state. Thi sis not a xenophobic argument. It is a legality argument!

More illegals will now move into the state of Maryland for education and in time, Maryland may become the poorest state in the country. It's sad as we try to teach our children to obey the law yet laws are being broken as illegal immigrants stay in this country and are now given rights. What's next?!

I always wonder if illegal immigrants are "undocumented", how do we know who they really are? Where they are from? Really married or not? Are the student really their kid? So many loop holes! Am I on to something?

How stupid can we get by keeping the dumb ones in congress,I say we should recall all of them and put some one in with common sense.

One related topic not mentioned here is Pell Grants. Now, not only will illegals be allowed to pay in-state tuition, but more than likely, your tax dollars will pay for their tuition in the form of a Pell Grant. Not to lump all illegals together, but most will probably qualify for a Federal Pell Grant based on their "reported" income (or lack thereof).

Go to www.mdelect.net. type in your address - it will give you your reps and senators. My idiot senator Kasemeyer voted FOR this. Let's vote against these people next election!!!!!

First off, I am white and have lived in MD for over 20 years.

A question to all the conservatives out there.

If "illegal is illegal" and it doesn't matter if the child had no choice, should we be able to analyze immigration records and if anybody in your direct family tree did not immigrate to America legally, should YOU be sent back to that country?

Basically, if great great grandad slipped over here illegally from Italy, you are okay to be a citizen but if your mom came over from Mexico, you should be sent back?

Consistent logic? I mean if illegal is illegal . . .

This is the most UNJUST and UNFAIR piece of legislation this state has ever passed. These people are CRIMINALS! And they KNOW they are. How can you think to allow these people even to be allowed to attend college in our country if they have not taken the steps over the course of their lives to be here legally? With skyrocketing tuition rates and legal citizens of this country not able to afford to go to college, now I have to subsidize these criminals education? They already showed they don't deserve it because they didn't take the time to become legal. No wonder we have such a "structural" deficit.

Why have in-state tuiton anyhow? If the reasoning these kids are offered in-state tuition is that they will benefit the state, then why shouldn't all American kids get the same tuition rate for college? After all these citizens would benefit the whole country if educated. Maryland is offering a benefit to illegal immigrants that it won't give to all American citizens. This is UN-AMERICAN!

Ok, i must totally stupid. Since when is it legal to make something that is ILLEGAL, Legal without first changing the law that makes an act ILLEGAL?

As I understand this crap
Undocumented immigrants = illegal
Undocumented workers = illegal
Coming into USA without following the process = illegal
Hiring undocumented works(illegal immigrants) = illegal (owner and worker)
Not declaring monies made to IRS = illegal
Not paying taxes on monies earned = illegal

Illegally living in the USA, not paying state or federal taxes, hiring undocumented workers for 3 years and receiving in state tuition = legal

If this passes we the legal paying way too much taxes folks have got to stand up and make it known we will no longer stand for this. Maryland State Police receives 2.5 percent reduction in pay to enforce all the above mentioned illegal actions, but we will give someone who purposes does something ILLEGAL a discount. Since when does the term ILLEGAL not mean ILLEGAL.

Amend this policy with the verbiage that anyone who submits a request for this assistance will immediately be arrested, handed over the ICE and deported back to your home country.

I am sick an tired of paying for everyone else ability to take advantage of Govt subsidized programs and me nor my family can due to the money we make.

I would hope that the Maryland House that decided that same sex CITIZENS do not have the right to marry; would not determine that NON-CITIZEN children have the right to state subsidized education. Seems hypocritical that if the House agrees; that NON-CITIZENS seems to have more rights than actual CITIZENS.

I am actually kind of glad this legislation may get passed. It takes an outrage like this to wake people up to whats going on around them. Call, email your representatives and hold their feet to the fire!

OUR STATE GOVERNMENT CARES MORE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE THAN THE PEOPLE THAT DO.

Only in The United States of America do ILLEGALS have more rights and get more benefits than the people who have lived and worked here their whole lives!!!!!!!

The worst part is the people keep electing these idiots!!!!

The last time I checked the dictionary illegal meant against the law!!! So if you are here illegally you are NOT SUPPOSED to be here.

I cannot afford to send my children to college because I am taxed to death to send illegal immigrants to college and pay for their medical expenses.

This is ABSOLUTE BULL CRAP!

Just read Towson University's requirments for apply for in-state tuition. One of the requirements is to show valid valid birth certificate or passport proving you're a citizen. Are there any other colleges in Maryland like that? Will Maryland now force all Universities in Maryland who have like requirement to change their policies? If college refuses will Maryland use scarce money to sue the colleges in order to help illegal immigrants? Would be a shame to use American taxpayer money to sue American colleges to aid illegal immigrants!

Grimes,
Really? They are criminals??

This bill is meant to help children of illegal immigrants. 13 year old Raul is a criminal since his mother broke the law?? Was he supposed to stay behind? Sorry Mom, I'm gonna fend for myself, you go to America.

Your logic would mean the infant child of a mother caught speeding should also be given a speeding ticket since they were in the law breaking vehicle.

And by the way, it's clear to anybody with a rational brain that all the people out there shouting about how this is wrong are doing it out of hate and fear.

MD Phil:

Are you that dense? Not sure what your point is but here's a simple question. Are the parents or the student here legally? Should be easy, it is a :yes or no answer that doesn't take researching a family tree.

My wife is first generation. Her parents fled their native country during a little incident called World War II. But they came to the United States LEGALLY and obtained CITIZENSHIP. Not really that difficult a concept.

Meanwhile Veterans who were stationed in Maryland, through no fault of their own, can't get in-state tuition in Maryland even though they may have been here for many years.

One thing I don't understand about any in-state tuition. Going to college in Maryland is a privelege not a right. Then explain this statement in the Constitution : 'The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States'. So how is in-state tuition allowed, especially for illegal immigrants? Just wondering out loud.

Nothing gets white people more angry than dark people getting a break. SMH. When all the white bar/tavern owners across the state were operating illegal poker machines you didn't hear a word out of them. But NOW!!! OMG! Brown people who live and work in Maryland are getting Maryland rates! OMG, The outrage!!! If there is one thing you can count on it's common folks turning on each other.......what a shame.......and no I will not LEAVE THIS COUNTRY......so don't bother asking. Hahaha!

MD Phil:

Huh? They may be here illegally, but we already pay for a free education through high school for "Raul" or Vladimir. They can apparently attend state colleges and universities, just at the foreign student rate. Just don't make us foot the additional costs to subsidize their college education. They can join the military or do something to give to this country before taking any more.

Skippy,
I agree that there is a path to citizenship and it should be followed.

Look around though. How many "Americans" do you think have a person in their family tree that came here illegally? Does it make them 'criminals'? Did it ruin the country?

As per Veterans, there is an existing program called the GI bill which assists in the cost of college.

The bill does seem to be contorted. Acknowledging illegals seems odd. But what is the great harm? We should ship back people that want to pay for college, have a career, and pay taxes?

There are bigger issues of concern than this.

If a student is here for the required 3 years prior to attending college and they don't go through the process to become a LEGAL citizen, then they ARE CHOOSING to BREAK the LAW just like their parents.

Complete and utter bullsh*t. It is time to take Maryland back from the Democrats who simply want the votes from these "New Americans" err ILLEGALS.

Hello ?!? This is completely insane. I cannot believe they would pass this.

Good! Maryland needs to keep its progressive credentials in a nation being overrun by ignorant, white, tea party anarchists. If the person lives in our state, they deserve in-state tuition. Illegals are no threat to us. Only ignorant Tea Party racists are a threat to the USA.

I wonder if I move into Mexico illegally and get a job bartending in Cancun if my wife can collect food stamps, get our rent paid, have our kids taught English only at their school & we will all qualify for a free Mexican college education. Please tell this works both ways Senator.
This is exactly like the Muslums that move here & want to put mosques everywhere they please yet if Americans or any Westeners wanted to build a church in the middle East it would be burned down & all Christians blown up on the spot.
Just great hearing this crap every day!

5 bucks says MD Phil is an illegal

“This is about education and what the future of Maryland looks like,” said Sen. Victor Ramirez, who sponsored the bill. “It is not about immigration. These kids didn’t make the decision to move to Maryland. Their parents did.”

Uhhh, that's who you'd be giving the financial break to, the (illegal) parents, who pay the tuition bill!!

Please tell me this is a bad dream and that our politicians are really not this stupid.

MD Phil, I'm going to assume that you wrote the following from a padded cell somewhere:

"Your logic would mean the infant child of a mother caught speeding should also be given a speeding ticket since they were in the law breaking vehicle."

No, Einstein, you're way off. If you had said let's give the infant child a free toy & bottle of formula as a REWARD (as in the discounted tuition plan), then you're analogy would be accurate.

If you're so big on letting illegal activity be rewarded, let someone break into your house & take your all of your stuff, then give them a great big ole smile. If you're liberal messed up mind doesn't understand this basic concept, just go back to sleep in your padded cell.

My son attends the University of del. My wife works in delaware.We live in Maryland, less than an hour from Delaware. We pay (by we I mean my wife and I, not my son)full tuition, almost $35K per year when all is said and done.So not even paying taxes in a state gives you a better deal than being illegel.I guess this makes me a racist, but I don't see how this is a fair deal for tax payers.

I do not support giving in state tuitiion to non documented aliens. To provide in state tuition to non-documented aliens after K-12 is concidered a public benefit.The federal law states that they are ineligible for state or local benefits including post secondary education benefits such as reduced tuition. Did you know that Montgomery Community College is currently in violation of law because the college is providing in state tuitoion to non documented aliens and for the past three years it has cost the tax payers $5.8 million in additional costs. It is a shame that the bill does not talk about hardship of finding a job fors a non documented alien after college. Very few employers will hire non documented aliens. This is a bad idea and should not be made law at the cost of the slots for legal Maryland college students. The Maryland Dream Act will increase taxes to Marylanders and will be a magnet for more illegals coming to our state. This bill will change Marylands current law requiring the colleges to charge out of state tuition.

You idiots with "it's going to cost me millions" to educate these illegals.
Really?....try less than one penny per pay check, then you wil be nearer the truth, if you know what that word means.

How many times are we going to see the phrase..."What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand?"

take a chill pill.....Geeeeez.

This is truly disgusting...As marylanders...we should not work, we should not teach our children to speak English nor should we teach our children to be law abiding citizens...because knuckleheads who are running this state are more worried about what's good for the Party and not what's good for law abiding...tax paying citizens!....Let's all move to Arizona...Jen Brewer is spot on!!!!

What sense does it make to cut benefits for long-time state employees due to budget constraints while at the same time, giving away benefits to illegal immigrants. Pathetically ignorant. Remember this voters.

This is absurd. I am all for education, because those educated can put money back into our state funds and local jurisdications; however this is ridiculous. Those of us who are in the city and state government have had to take pay cuts and furloughs (days without pay) in order to help decrease the budget deficit. I think that in-state may work for community college, but it is ridiculous that I had friends who lived in the state paid state taxes for years and never were granted in-state tuition. I cannot believe that the Legislature has done this. They must want Obama to lose.

hey RAY BARCIA,

WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

For you liberal morons on this board - Why doesn't the state take the "money" and give it to legal residents through scholarships and other aid - the people who are legal residents, live here AND PAY TAXES. It's bad enough that illegals can get a driver's license in this state. How is that info not turned over to the Feds and then have them shipped out of the country? Federal immigration law is being violated and Maryland is supporting it.

"RAY BARCIA" sounds illegal to me

There is something fundamentally wrong with this state government. The first question that comes to mind with this initiative is: Are illegal aliens not illegal aliens if they are in the State of Maryland? Do the laws of this country matter? Apparently the answer to these questions in Annapolis is NO. And now they wish to have the citizens of Maryland pay over $3B per year to benefit those who should not be here.

MD Phil:

You might want to take a look at the history and changes in immigration laws in this country. The initial laws were written to exclude Chinese, and actually still apply to Chinese as an ethnic group regardless of what country they are immigrating from.

And again, the germane question is, are there here legally NOW? .

Barcia:

Why don't you pony up the extra cost then, if it seems so insignificant, and save the rest of us the expense.

Such BS.

I constantly hear the negative effects of illegal immigrants in the country, yet MD still seems to want to attract them by coddling them with taxpayer services.

Wake Up Maryland.

Looking for a job in MD now basically requires one to be bi-lingual, which really means you speak English and Spanish. If your second language isn't Spanish, then they don't need you.

It is common for people to claim Republicans racist because of their stance on illegal immigrants. I say grant any illegal currently in the country amnesty and give them citizenship status, with one stipulation, they can never vote. If that were the case then Democrats wouldn't want them here either.

The following is a complete list of the MD Senators who voted for giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens/"undocumented" people:
Ronald Young (D), Delores Kelley (D), Edward Kasemeyer (D), James Robey (D), Karen Montgomery (D), Robert Garagiola (D), Brian Frosh (D), Jennie Forehand (D), Richard Madelano, Jr. (D), Roger Manno (D), Jamie Raskin (D), James Rosapepe (D), Paul Pinskey (D), Douglas Peters (D), Joanne Benson (D), Ulysses Currie (D), Mike Miller, Jr. (D),Thomas Middleton (D), John Astle (D), Nancy King (D), Catherine Pugh (D), Lisa Gladden (D), Joan Carter Conway (D), Verna Jones-Rodwell (D), Nathaniel McFadden (D), Bill Ferguson (D), Victor Ramirez (D). Make a note to yourself to vote these treasonous swine out of office at your first opportunity. No Republican voted for the bill and only Democrats Bobby Zirkin, Anthony Muse, Roy Dyson, James DeGrange, James Mathias, and James Brochin had the guts to stand up for what's right.

"How many times are we going to see the phrase..."What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand? take a chill pill.....Geeeeez."

I'd say, in your case, most likely many many times since you don't appear to be smart enough to understand legal vs illegal. Try Dictionary.com and have someone read it to you.

I knew there are 30 millions young Chinese high school students be going to enter U.S. for continuing their college eduction. They are not poor. But they very would like to pay this in-state tuition. If 5 percent or 1.5 million of these students come to the colleges in Maryland, are taxpayers of this state are affordable for these new students (see cost estimation below)?
1500000 x $10,000 = $15,000,000,000 = 15 billion dollar
Assume: 2 million family in Maryland,
so tax burden on tuition subsidy for each Maryland family: $7,500
Tell your state House representatives what you want they vote.

Senator Ed (I want to give illegal aliens your hard earned money) Kasemeyer voted YES to break Federal law and SUPPORT in AIDING AND ABETTING ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Senator Edward Kasemeyer is now officially in VIOLATION of his OATH OF OFFICE and should never again be elected.

He is now a friend of Hugo Chavez and Casa de Maryland, NOT a friend of HIS OWN CONSTITUENTS!

The only thing I don't understand about liberals is why they stop so short. Why not give these illegals a nice house, a new car, some dinner coupons & O's tickets too? Don't be so stingy.

What the hell is the matter with the Maryland State Senate? What a stupid argument from MR. Ramiriz..that the kids did not make the decision to come to Maryland , their parents did. What about the out of state students who are LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE USA? Maybe they wanted to be Maryland residents but their parents did not. What part of ILLEGAL DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND??? This guy is a real tool and should be impeached. OR..let him personally pay the tuition for these ILLEGALS.

I'm NOT in the Tea Party (I'm a registered Independent) and I AM AGAINST this - giving illegal immigrants a benefit of over $800,000 in the FIRST year alone is absolutely criminal in this economy. Our representatives should have their LEGAL constituents best interests in mind. This clear violates that mandate! I vote in Montgomery County and will remember and lobby against the sponsors and supporters of this bill.

All we can hope is that the House comes to it's senses and keeps all the grease-balls as what they legally are ILLEGALS !!! Everywhere you look these greasballs are getting what legal citizens can't get. GET LEGAL !!!

Traitor ILLEGAL ALIEN SUPPORTER Sen Ramirez' office when asked where these grads would work after graduation since it is now illegal to HIRE THEM answered that by the time these ILLEGAL ALIEN students graduate we will have "comprehensive immigration reform which will make them all legal to work"


CASA de Maryland or Central American Solidarity Association COMPLETELY CONTROLS THE MARYLAND STATE LEGISLATURE. Illegal aliens are bused in to testify for rights they don't have. Had enough? www.helpsavemaryland.com

It's interesting how things are positioned according to the effect they are intended to cause; this article could have been titled, "a vote for merit education" instead "tuition discount for illegal immigrants" is provoking exactly the response it's getting. Want to see what the editor's intentions are? search for "Shawna Forde" in the Sun's archives and you won't find ANYTHING being said about this prostitute turned "minuteman" and her vicious assassination of a 9-year old hispanic girl in Texas...why I ask WHY?. Enough said.

Americans complain about illegal immigrants taking their jobs. Well, how about you actually try to clean someone else's house or paint a building before you start judging? These kids are simply trying to get a better education so you do not keep putting them at fault for taking your jobs away. They are not asking for anything, they just need the tools to achieve their goals in life. Without comprehensive immigration reform, this is the least a state government can do. Please start looking at the glass half full rather than half empty, atleast these students are going to school and not commiting crimes. Anyways, have you ever thought about how many American citizens waste the opportunities that have been handed to them in a silver platter? Unless one has experienced the difficulties and struggles these dreamers have, pointing fingers is simply the easy way out. If the federal government keeps putting this off, state governments will continue acting. Maryland is not the first to debate on this so it should not come as a shock. I wish that ALL of the speculated 12 million illegal immigrants did not work one day of the year. Let's see how this country can function without them. The bottom line is that these immigrants are not going anywhere, and unless comprehensive laws are passed, the issue is only bound to become worse. And remember, not all undocumented aliens are of Hispanic or Latino descent; because it seems to me as if they are the target everyone aims for.

It's interesting how things are positioned according to the effect they are intended to cause; this article could have been titled, "a vote for merit education" instead "tuition discount for illegal immigrants" is provoking exactly the response it's getting. Want to see what the editor's intentions are?"

Completely disagree. This situation has nothing to do with the Editor's intention. It has to do with the situation itself. Illegal is illegal, regardless of how some dope titles his column.

How is this helping to decrease our state's deficit? For once, I agree with the Republicans. Maryland will be "saturated" with illegals.

It is nice to see the bigots are out in force.

Posted by: John | March 15, 2011 12:06 PM


Your post is THE ONLY bigoted one I see.

good! now I bring all my friends and relatives to live in the great state of Maryland.
We have many babies that you pay for . We get our subsidized education and when we graduate and can't legally be employed , you can also subsidize our housing and food to go along with our medical! Maryland is truly the land of opportunities for us. Thank you to all the Maryland taxpayers. We will fly the Mexican flag in your honor every day!!!

Is there any way we can get this on a referendum for the next election?

ILLEAGAL MEANS AGAINST THE LAW WTG POLITICIANS

If Maryland can nullify federal immigration laws and federal marijuana laws, then why are so many Democrats opposed to states nullifying Obamacare?

ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL!!!!

RECALL Maryland SENATE!!!!!

ILLEGALS GET OUT!!!!!

Guess Republicans who actually vote to NOT ALLOW THIS STUFF would be nice to have in power in Maryland right about now. Enjoy your mess Maryland! You voted for these Democratic clowns.

Its amazing how these people become polititians in the State of Maryland.I'm not sure whats in the water at the Capital building.The biggest problem we have is they get re-elected. I'm casting my vote as saying we have stupid people in Maryland.

It's interesting how things are positioned according to the effect they are intended to cause; this article could have been titled, "a vote for merit education" instead "tuition discount for illegal immigrants" is provoking exactly the response it's getting. Want to see what the editor's intentions are?"

Completely disagree. This situation has nothing to do with the Editor's intention. It has to do with the situation itself. Illegal is illegal, regardless of how some dope titles his column.

Posted by: Mike R | March 15, 2011 4:17 PM

It's quite telling how you completely omit the murder of the 9-year old in your comment. You and the editor are cut from the same hide, I rest my case, you confirm what I state here, thanks for it.

I can't believe the anger and bigotry I see on this page. I am in favor of the law because even the illegal immigrants pay taxes... They pay using a Tax ID number. Talk about taxation without representation. The bill only allows the benefit to the undocumented students if their parents have paid taxes at least three years in Maryland. Let me say that these students will mostly be paying for their own education anyway. Even the new testament says we should not penalize children for the acts of their parents... Instead of criminalizing the illegals who come to this country to make a better life for their children, criminalize the businesses that hire them and pay ridiculously low wages so the owners can become super wealthy. Wake up ... The problem is not the illegals... It is the disparity between the rich and the poor... It is the power of business in government... It is the lack of funds in education... This bill will provide more money to our public education system because the cost was prohibitive for students before. We need more students in our public colleges... Just look at the lack of enrollment... Only the wealthy students could afford to get an education before... Let's give these kids a path to citizenship instead of a path to being unproductive members of society... It will make Maryland better.

JG

I must have missed the part about our elected officials voting regarding some women in Arizona or Texas. Sounds like a tragedy, sort of like these headlines in the Maryland-DC area: "DUI illegal kills pedestrian week after given probation."

Since you are seem unable to actually find the bill that was passed, this is the Maryland Senate's language that "provokes" a response, not the editors: "INCLUDES AN UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT INDIVIDUAL"

Patti:

There is no lack of enrollment in our Maryland public colleges. Just the opposite. This will cost the state because there is finite space in our public schools. In fact this might displace students of legal residents. More likely it would cost more because of the additional reporting requirements placed on the schools. Let them earn their citizenship by serving this country, then they can benefit from what American society provides. We already pay for 12 years of their education, that is enough. They can stand on their own and pay their own way, but don't ask me to subsidize them any longer.

Patti, it will indeed make Maryland better. It is disappointing to know that our neighbors want to punish innocent children for the simple fact that their parents wanted to give them a brighter future that they could never attain in their home countries.

I HOPE ALL YOU BLEEDING LIBS , FINALLY SEE WHAT THE LEFT IS DOING TO OUR STATE AND COUNTRY. JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THEY CAN GO THIS LOW..ITS ALL ABOUT GETTING VOTES TO KEEP THEIR SORRY SELVES IN OFFICE..DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY CARE ABOUT THE FENCE JUMPERS EDUCATION..THESE LOW LIFE PEOPLE ELECTED HAVE NO CONCERN FOR YOU OR I , AS IT IS SEEN ,BUY THIS HORENDOUS VOTE..I WANT TO KNOW WHO EVEN BROUGHT THIS BILL OF STUPIDITY TO THE FLOOR..I ALSO WILL FIND JUST WHO THE TRAITORS ARE VOTING YEA... WAKE UP AMERICA ,MARYLAND, AS LIBERAL AS THE SUNPAPER IS I COMMEND THEM FOR RUNNING THIS .....JUST DONT THINK I WILL EVER STOP SHAKING MY HEAD EVER ON THIS ONE.

STOP THIS! What is wrong with all of you?
READ THE BILL FIRST! In-state tuition is only for those who meet the requirements.
THEY ARE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FREE! Neither FINANCIAL AID nor LOANS!
They have been paying taxes!
"Oh but how can they pay taxes, they are illegal"-exactly what an ignorant fool would say.
They have been paying taxes! The IRS provides an ITIN or Tax ID. “Thousands of immigrants in Maryland have ITINs and file their returns and pay their taxes using it. These workers are paying in to Social Security, Medicare, and Unemployment - even though they will never be able to benefit from those funds.”
Why can't they qualify for in-state tuition even though their parents/guardians (even them) are paying taxes?

"The bill requires that illegal immigrants live and work in Maryland for three years before they qualify for lower tuition at state colleges and universities."

If they are illegal, they shouldn't be working..

F this! voe out the supporters of this act of TREASON. They are children , doesn't make them legal and does not qualify them for an educational discount funded by our tax dollars. These poor children can go to school in their own country.

Patti, who posted at 5:59 PM is totally unaware of the facts about illegal aliens paying taxes.
Yes, they sometimes use a TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number) or commit a felony and use someones Social Security Number, but you leave out the most important fact of all: illegal aliens usually get tax refunds equal to or in excess of the taxes they pay. The net result is illegal aliens don't pay their share of taxes.
Because of their low income level - at least what they report - and write-offs - latinos have more kids on average than most Americans - when everything is processed, the IRS sends them a refund check. By abusing the child credit - latinos who pay taxes seem to have lots of kids - the illegals can actually get a refund check in excess of taxes paid. That's the same as a welfare check.
Isn't it strange how cities with "tax paying" illegals are all swimming in red ink.
"They pay taxes", is the biggest lie of them all.


Hey Eureka- how many illegals actually pay taxes? Not many - As everyone else said - If they are ILLEGAL - they should not BE HERE.

patti

no illegals do not have a valid tax id number, a tax id can only be obtained with valid status. an immigrant who came here and had a valid tax id is here past the duration of their status and is either fighting deportation (and then they are not illegal or legal) just without status- they would not be covered since the illegality of their stay here cannot be established.

did you read the bill?

and those that have forged documents to obtain tax ids are probably not paying into the system either- to what point other than an employer paying them in cash off the books- probably on a 1099.

tax paying illegals? how can they be? you are required to provide and petition for a tax id with a valid status.

I have been a Maryland tax paying resident for over 30 years, my stepson of 3 years is a dependent on my wife who has a non-resident status visa. He pays out of state tuition despite that he is a dependent of a Maryland resident. In getting a greencard and having an in state status for my wife, my stepson has to go to his own visa for college purposes and again will be a dependent on us, but pay out of state tuition and since he's over 18 have to manage his own visa. He graduated from a Maryland high school satisfying the 4 years of English and so forth. I cannot describe the taste in my mouth when i read how illegals will get special treatment when intending immigrants pay out of state and follow our laws and will not be satisfied by this legislation. Two of my sons attend the same state university as an instate student. My wife has been in this country for over 5 years.

This is a slap in the face to every hard working family in Maryland who goes about the legal way to get an education. Why is Maryland rewarding illegals with an education? How can they calim to live here if they cannot legally get a job here in Maeryland?


I hope all registered voters take heed to this and vote no to funding illegals education. I know I will remember this in November.

Time to put these jokers back into the clown car and send 'em down the road.They live in a different world than most regular folks and are beholden to their own shameless,self promotion (translate votes).These clowns are betting on short term public memory come voting time.Are these politicians really representing you,your interests while they help themselves to your money from your pocket?

eureka, those people paying taxes here by legal status are not covered by this legislation, please read the legislation they are not classified as illegals and are not considered to be immigrants seeking a permanent status.

ALL Marylanders read the state constitution paying close attention to THE FIRST AMENDMENT to the Maryland Constitution.

Its about time we used it !!!!!!

MD Phil. I applaud your attempt to convince the ignorant, but i've tried myself and find it near impossible. You see, all of these folks became immigration lawyers the second that they heard the story relating in-state tuition for illegals. As you can see, somehow, magically every one of them is an expert in immigration law. Apparently, these people are here illegally by choice. The 4 year old kid who was brought here by his parents should've stayed back and found a job and raised a family there on his own. That's what they believe. You bring up a good point with the speeding ticket for the infant. However, the ignorant will remain ignorant.

Guess you guys believe that we should raid a class of 6th graders, sift out the illegal children put them on a wall and shoot them for being criminals huh? Maybe put them on a table and torture them for breaking the law by choice? Imagine if that was your child. Open your eyes.

When the DREAM ACT finally passes, imagine how much money the US will receive from these current Illegals taht chose the path of higher education. Compare that to your Americans on welfair, medical assistance, WIC programs, etc. The ones that are able with no fear and still decide to drop out in 9th grade.

These people are ridiculous. But again, I applaud you MD Phil.

Look, you whites DO NOT deserve to be let into state colleges. So what if each illegal alien (Maryland voter) let into state schools keeps one whitey out. Tough luck for you. You are privileged. Besides, Maryland has made it so illegals can vote. We vote and you don't.

Any possibility this can be voted on in a referendum? I can't possibly see dwindling state resources be allocated to those that are here ILLEGALLY.

LOL. some of you libs are quite entertaining. Your panties are all bunched and your emotions are running wild. No, we shouldn't line up the 6th graders and shoot them. We should line them up with their parents and kick their illegal butts out of our country. Simple.

Bigot?? Damn right, I'm a bigot against illegal activity. If you want to give them rewards, take it out of your pocket. Libs are great at spreading everyone else's money around, aren't they? LOL.

If you really want to reward illegal activity, get off your butts and go down to the state prisons and read to some of the inmates there. But that would require some effort, right? And a little money out of your pocket for gas.. Keep us laughing my dear libs!

This bill would not pass the house, But get over it people don't you feel smart enough to make all the way among all these kids. come I thought you were smarter than this.

This action is so totally ridiculous that I thought that it was a joke; it makes me so very happy that I left Maryland some 11 years ago. I currently live in beautiful SW Florida where conservative thought and action is the norm. I would humbly suggest that Marylanders start electing more conservatives before your State is completely lost. I sincerely wish you lots of luck; however, I have little faith in your likely success.

I voted for Mr O'Malley and Mr Obama. They care about New Americans. Give us a chance to shine and you will be proud of us.

Calling them "Undocumented aliens" is a JOKE.... it doesn't make them any less illegal to be in our country. It is not their country until they take the proper steps to become a legal citizen.... and until they do, STOP treating them like they ARE a US citizen!

Why aren't these ILLEGAL immigrants forced to go through a proper process? Instead, things are just being handed to them which only encourages more to avoid becoming citizens the LEGAL and proper way.

I would like to see more programs for our own citizens that are bright and motivated, wanting the college education but can't afford it. Why is MD trying so hard to help criminals that are STEALING from our country instead of trying to help our own children?

SHAME on you Maryland Senators that voted for this.

"Oh but how can they pay taxes, they are illegal"-exactly what an ignorant fool would say. They have been paying taxes! The IRS provides an ITIN or Tax ID. “

Wow, you must get called dip#$%# a lot! The IRS doesn't hand out SS #''s, The SS Admin does and if you don't have legal immigration papers, guess what? You don't get one.

ALL Marylanders read the state constitution paying close attention to THE FIRST AMENDMENT to the Maryland Constitution.

Its about time we used it !!!!!!

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Sean! I totally agree. But many of the Maryland legislators and Gov Owe Malley (friend to NEW AMERICANS) don't like that messy Constitution getting in the way. They probably don't even know what is in THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION or the STATE CONSTITUTION. Senator Joan Carter Conway actually stated in a hearing on this bill that "She didn't want to hear nuthin bout da Consitusion!"

Do you taxpaying citizens approve of illegal aliens taking our State House over to protest and testify for rights they do not have? You can thank CASA de MD for that. So get up, and actually DO SOMETHING! Get busy folks!

www.helpsavemaryland.com

I am way too angry to even comment!!
Again, they are called ILLEGAL for a reason!!

Voice your opposition to Tom Hucker..He is one of many legislators who supports this bill.

delegate.t.hucker@house.state.md.us

read article.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/education/2010/12/maryland-lawmakers-fight-over-state-college-tuition-illegal-immigrants

Why didn't the Brain trust politicians stipulate that once an illegal graduates from a Md High School they must pass a citizenship test so that they can right the wrong of their parents. Then they can have all the instate tuition they want legally.
Duhh

I can't agree more with the prior comments. What part about illegal does the US Government not get. They have everything else...let's just give them more. When was the last time you saw an illegal show a US citizen respect?

I fully support my senators and delegates that voted for this bill. I have watched too many of our brightest, strongest, and most engaged young people be pushed out of high education opportunities.

Why should we ever deny young people who want to educate themselves and improve their communities? They want to go to school because of a commitment to learning and progress. Respect that.

If we want to talk about "law" there is a law greater than the one that governs the US, and that's the universal declaration on human rights which declares that each and every child have the access to educational opportunities and systems equally.

You say hateful things online but I'm sure most of you aren't ugly and despicable enough in person to throw your hate speech at a young person--who speaks English equally well or better than you, knows their American history well or better than you, and who might even have grown up next door to you or is your child's best friend--to their face.

Grow up you guys. Xenophobic adults and closet racists are the true barriers to our education and unity in our communities. It really isn't the cost of our education that bothers you, it's the possibility that we--"the immigrants"--might actually be smarter than you, care more about this country than you, and appreciate all our rights and responsibilities much more than you.

And remember that Latinos are descendents of Native Americans and lived on this land long before any white pilgrim, and that those same white pilgrims and English settlers built this country on the backs of Black Africans. We have equal "claim" to this new world as you do and we'd like to live in it peacefully, together.

The post by Lynn dated 9:24 PM is an example of the outrageous sense of entitlement common to many in the immigrant community.

Perhaps you can use your fine writing skills to convince the corrupt ruling classes of Mexico and Central America to practice your utopian universal declaration on human rights. That will never happen because too many of their citizens choose to run away to America instead of fighting the crooks. Besides, why get an inferior education south of the border when you can scam one here.

Xenophobes and racists, don't you people ever come up with anything original anymore. The real truth is that latin societies are much more racist, xenophobic, classist and sexist than American society.

Your last paragraph exposes your true colors. After reading the first sentences of your post, I knew it was coming: This is our land and you stole it. You people are as predictable as a sunrise. I guess the blood of the invading Spanish Conquistadors thats flows through the veins of many "native" latinos doesn't count. How do you spell hypocrites?

I have said much more than this to the faces of arrogant latinos in Los Angeles and Columbia, Md., and so has my legal latin wife.

"If we want to talk about "law" there is a law greater than the one that governs the US, and that's the universal declaration on human rights which declares that each and every child have the access to educational opportunities and systems equally."

Yes, this is true, but you misapply it to serve your own interests. "Equally" means that they need to obtain legal status, like my and many other ancestors did. For someone who tries to write intelligently, you're very dumb on the concept of legal vs. illegal. And that is the entire issue. If you're really sincere, put up your own money to sponsor someone's immigration process. If not, it's just a bunch on bleeding-heart blabber and we are wise to it.

Lyn....Well said.

Racism, classism and sexism may seem over-used in this debate.
But there is a reason for this...It's precisely whats happening.

Don't worry Lynn, I believe we are in the majority.

The situations in Mexico and Central America are largely due to American intervention and occupation. In the Mexican experience intervention has existed since North American colonization and countinues through economic policies that impoverish Mexican workers. In the Central American experience the US military intervened on a number of occasions training death squads and imposing puppet leaders. Please don't speak of a history you are unaware of.

And no, I am not an immigrant myself. I am the child of immigrants from Okinawa. My parents lives were destroyed by US policy during WWII yet both have healed and are public servants to the USA. How about that for a clash against your bigotry?

Get your racist assumptions straight. If you want to talk about "deserving citizenry" and "entitlement", you and your supposed "birth right" serve as stellar examples of unwarranted privilege.

I love this statement "It's not about immigration. These kids didn’t make the decision to move to Maryland. Their parents did.” Uh excuse me, but the bottom line is they're still ILLEGAL immigrants! What part of this do the demo craps not understand? Bad enough my hard earned tax dollars pays for illegal immigrants free heatlh care amongst other things plus they dont pay any taxes period. I'm sure they'll be an increase in some other baloney demo crap tax law that pays the way for their education too, which come out of legal citizens pockets. Now o'mallethead said he'd sign it if it reached his desk. Way to go politicians, way to go, it's all about you and your careers and votes to stay in office. Just put Md. further in an already rising budget defecit we can't get out of now. Remember, 2012 is NOT that far off and you pieces of fecal matter need to go period! Seriously, you people can kma and like it too.

La Guy! What a fabulous commment! You nailed Lynn and the Hypocrites who are just like her! We are a NATION based on the Rule of Law! The Statue of Liberty has a LAW BOOK IN HER HAND! If Lynn and her cohorts don't like it, they can move to South America
I (and plenty of other taxpaying citizens) have had QUITE ENOUGH OF THIS SITUATION!

www.helpsavemaryland.com

Lynn and Ray Barcia if you two are so pro illegal immigrants why dont you two foot the bill for them?
Put your money where your mouths are.

What would be great (but it's only a dream) is if the Feds came & hauled away some of these fat-cat bleeding hearts in our State Legislator. How in the world are we supposed to respect these lawmakers when they themselves are breaking federal law by aiding and abetting illegal activity. It's almost comical. Private businesses are fined harshly for hiring/helping illegals. The same rules should apply to our state govt. And by the way, why is the hell doesn't it??

...It is just sooo easy to pick on Mexicans isn't it? Why can't you racists just admit that what you are really mad at is the fact that they are brown, and that you consider them beneath you and that you blame them for ALL this country's problems. Just admit it. Your argument that you're mad because ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL is weak. If you care so much about the rule of law, then why is it you only care when it has to do with brown people? I didn't see your outrage when all the white bar/tavern owners were operating illegal poker machines for years in MD. I didn't see it when that lady in Severna Park killed those two kids a couple of years ago while she was drinking and driving and just got probation. "but ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL!!!" Your motivation is clear.

What if they were a group of immigrants running from a terrible situation in Ireland? I'm sure none of you Dundalkians would have any problems then. I'm sure none of you would be advocating taking up arms, the way you do with brown people.

And another fact for you Bigots; every single one of you white people here is an immigrant. Do you think your ancestors came from the dirt? No! Your great grand pappy brought his dirty nasty diseased butt from Europe and proceeded to help kill indians and suck the resources from this land. Mexicans are by "Natural Law" more entitled to this land than you. (think of migrating birds, or any other roaming species...come on you can do it...lol!)

I'm sure none of you will get my points. If you're wondering why, it's because your HATE is blinding you. You are unable to think about what is fair and right for our society and your community. Well if it involves brown people anyways. Oh and stop claiming to be Christians if this is how you think. Cuz that's just sad.

Good afternoon lynn, I knew I could count on you. Your post is dripping with self righteous indignation. We have one of your kind on every street corner here in bankrupt Los Angeles.

So, the Americans are responsible for the mess in Mexico and Central America? We also ruined your parents lives in Okinawa? Don't go down that road lynn, it can get very messy. Ask your parents what the Japanese did to civilians in China, Korea and the Philippines during WWll. Have you and your parents done penance yet? Your posts are proof that someone can be well educated - you write well - but still be delusional. Thank God you are here; we need people like you to redeem us.

It has been a while since my psychology classes at the U. of Maryland and UCLA, but I think someone has unresolved anger issues lynn.

Haven't we met before? You were the calm intellectual pontificating your opinions to anyone who would listen, and I was the guy who somehow managed to get your eyeballs to bulge out and spittle to drool out of your lips. You were soon screaming," that's not true... No! you Americans did that.... we were the victims....we only did that because of what you did to us.... you owe us.... " and on and on and on. Trust me, it's amazingly easy to get someone like you into a tizzy. Unfortunately, it can only be accomplished face to face.

Have a nice day. Goodbye.

Yes some illegals have paid long enough, I went to Iraq for this country twice, I went to Afghanistan for this country once, I lost my best friend and commander in a suicide bombing, I was an illegal and I did my part for this country. So how about you ignorant, ungrateful asshole let people do their part instead of bitching. Do something for your country instead, if you so much hate what's happening go patrol the borders day and night or leave America. Is you who don't appreciate this country, or what have you forgotten when Europeans came to America? they were illegals and look now. If someone should be saying something it should be the Native Americans as I recall, they were here first. You uneducated hateful people.

For the tired argument of "We stole the land from the Native Americans" Yes ....they were treated badly. However, they also came from another land AND when the first settlers came here THIS WAS NOT A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY! It is NOW!

You cannot have a SOVEREIGN NATION WITHOUT BORDERS and LAWS! Stop butting in line in front of other people who are waiting to become citizens the "lawful" way! Your entitlement attitude sickens me. We can only thank taxpayer funded groups like CASA de Maryland for promoting this garbage

WWW.HELPSAVEMARYLAND.COM

So our politicians are saying that giving illegal immigrants and education at the taxpayers expense will benefit Maryland because they will be able to then get jobs. However, aren't these the same people who said that we should not go after illegal immigrants, but we should fine those businesses that hire them? In that case, how can they get a good paying job when it is against the law to hire them?

“It is not about immigration. These kids didn’t make the decision to move to Maryland. Their parents did.”
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Reminds me of the guy driving the getaway car after a botched robbery during which a cop gets killed. The driver didn't make the decision to blow away the cop - the other scumbag did. But I guess the driver should get off scot free!

Only in America

The best educated day laborers in the Lowes parking lot!!
While military and other legal tax paying resident's children are not eligible for instate tuition because we are overseas serving.

None dare call it treason.

To all my many democrat friends in this great blue state:
CONGRATS!!! once again, we reap what we sow... pure, unadulterated stupidity (but gee, it just feels so good to help the needy with other peoples' extorted tax money)

Sad. I have relatives who were born in Maryland, served in Maryland military units, and now live just across the border in PA. Their kids can't get in-state tuition in MD, but these illegal foreigners can! And the illegals party in the picture with a public official! So sad!

Come to America! Come to Maryland where illegal immigrants are treated better than the tax-paying citizens who would also like to better themselves but can't afford it. Step right up to the front of the line.

@ Audrey: "Anyways, have you ever thought about how many American citizens waste the opportunities that have been handed to them in a silver platter?"
Don't know what Silver platter you are referring to, but I sure would love to see me that shiney plate so I can get me some tuition, too!

You fools put No new Taxes Owe malley back in there so now you got to live with it. Maybe he will run for president and you can vote him in

Well thanks US Supreme court for saying we had to educate illegals. Thanks amnesty 1986 for this moment for forcing GOP to compromise then. But I would to see the list for this one.

Who do our elected think they are talking to. Our taxes keep going up so we the poor fixed income legal residents to pay for illegals. Not only pay for illegals schooling and medical treatment. We are to be happy for the pleasure as we go without the coverage we have paid for. I think it is about time these same elected people need to take a 75% pay cut. Let the people who they are supporting pay the rest of their pay. (illegals should be glad to pay for it) They get more rights as illegal than then we legals do/////

Why is Congress allowed to pass laws that do not effect them? Are they not American citizens as well?

The Elite Congress

Children of congress members do not have to pay back their college student loans. How nice! Monday on Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This essentially means that Congressmens pay is several thousand per year more than their salaries. This pay of course is tax-free. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?

35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government

Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.

This is an idea that we should address.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform... in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent, or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

If each person that receives this will forward it on to 20 people, in three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."

We have to pay for the RICh to go to college as well and they want to complain about welfare for people who actually need it.


Congress works for itself. Not the people. Where are the laws that are passed to help the everyday American? Dem or Rep it does not matter they do nt represent real people!!!!!

I guess illegal only applies when you are not cleaning or babysitting yt folks kids!! cheap labor


when does illegal mean illegal-


my money goes to help RICH YT FOLKS (gas comapnies, banks, foreign countries etc)and Illegal people.

Where are you Doug Gansller...this legislation is illegal! You aren't doing your kob either. Too busy using your State Trooper to cart you around to all those functions and sports events. Us Marylanders have eyes and ears all you elected officials...we are not stupid and our votes will show it.

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Annie Linskey covers state politics and government for The Baltimore Sun. Previously, as a City Hall reporter, she wrote about the corruption trial of Mayor Sheila Dixon and kept a close eye on city spending. Originally from Connecticut, Annie has also lived in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, where she reported on war crimes tribunals and landmines. She lives in Canton.

John Fritze has covered politics and government at the local, state and federal levels for more than a decade and is now The Baltimore Sun’s Washington correspondent. He previously wrote about Congress for USA TODAY, where he led coverage of the health care overhaul debate and the 2010 election. A native of Albany, N.Y., he currently lives in Montgomery County.

Julie Scharper covers City Hall and Baltimore politics. A native of Baltimore County, she graduated from The Johns Hopkins University in 2001 and spent two years teaching in Honduras before joining The Baltimore Sun. She has followed the Amish community of Nickel Mines, Pa., in the year after a schoolhouse massacre, reported on courts and crime in Anne Arundel County, and chronicled the unique personalities and places of Baltimore City and its surrounding counties.
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