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March 4, 2011

Deal reached on in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

A senate panel reached a compromise on a controversial measure to extend in-state tuition at Maryland's universities to the children of undocumented workers, advocates announced.

The measure, known as The Dream Act, was debated briefly on the senate floor this morning -- but the full discussion is set for next Tuesday or Wednesday.

Advocates have long wanted to grant the children of illegal immigrants in-state tuition at Maryland's university system. Opponents say widening the pool of applicants will only make admission more difficult for those who've played by the rules.

Sen. President Thomas V. Mike Miller, however, floated a different approach just before session started: Grant in-state tuition at community colleges.

The bill that came out of committee blends the two proposals. It says undocumented students can receive the in-state discount at community colleges and, after earning an associates degree or 60 credits, they can transfer to a four year state university and pay the lower rate.

To qualify, the potential students would have to show that either they or their parents paid Maryland taxes for the past two years and submit an affidavit that they were attempting to become legal citizens. Graduation from high school is also required.

Senators will have the chance to weigh-in on the issue during next week's debate and the GOP caucus signaled that they will offer multiple amendments to the bill. Democrats too expressed some skepticism this morning, with Sen. James Brochin, a Baltimore County Democrat, inquiring about the fiscal costs associated with the bill.

Sen. E.J. Pipkin, an Eastern Shore Republican, called the idea an "unfunded mandate" to the state's community colleges, which he said would have to absorb costs associated with a slew of new students.

The House has not yet acted on the bill.
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If these are children of illegal aliens, and the child's parent or parents have been working and paying taxes for two years, they have been working ILLEGALLY on top of being in this country ILLEGALLY! Therefore, they can refuse to show that documentation under the 5th Amendment that prevents them from incriminating themselves. IF they do give up that information, they can and will open their EMPLOYERS up to legal charges of hiring illegal aliens which is ILLEGAL!

and these people writing this garbage are lawyers? Do they not think of these things or DID THEY know this?

Will a student be denied in-state tuition if their parents refuse to incriminate themselves with proof they have been working illegally for the past 2 years?

Something is wrong here and this must never pass!

Is this for real? Illegals are just that ILLEGALS - they do NOT deserve this consideration no matter what.

I'm glad we are so worried about taking care of other countries' citizens before our OWN. Thanks, liberals.

The so-called "compromise" by the dominate party in Annapolis is still a negative outcome for the taxpayers of Maryland. For every illegal alien allowed into Maryland colleges and universities with in-state tuition it means a citizen student will be bumped from the same colleges and universities. Illegal alien students should continue to pay the full out of state rate if they wish to attend college.

Once educated the fact is illegal aliens still can't legally work, vote or obtain a drivers' license. Enforce the law and in-state for illegals is not an issue! If this passes, in-state tuition will be put to referendum! Let citizens decide this issue.

Dream Act?
More like a nightmare.
TOTAL COMPLETE BS!
Why these idiots are floating breaks to illegal immigrants is beyond me?
What part of illegal does Mike
Mller not understand?
This state canot afford anymore giveaways to illegal aliens!
More giveaways means more illegals come here thus straining our system even more.
These are not new Americans
these are illegal immigrants.
Why does the tax paying citizens of this state have to foot the bill for illegal immigrants?
Mike Miller needs to retire ASAP!
Fracking idiot.

You know, I understand not wanting to give in state tuition to someone who came here as an adult knowingly and then tried to use the system to better themselves, but a lot of who this is targeted at is the kids who were moved here by their parents many years ago, and possibly have little or no memory of a life other than that in this Country. They may still be 'illegal' in documentation, but have otherwise assimilated into our society, and it would be a terrible idea to 'ship them back' to their home country that they have no memory of. I'm in favor of this compromise - maybe there should be some way of documenting that it's only eligible to those who were moved here illegally under the force of an adult.

As a tax payer and Registered Independent this will be one of the issue that will help guide my vote in the next election. If my elected offiicals agree with this "compromise " i will do my best to prevent them from spending anymore of my taxpayer dollars for situations created by Non- law abiding immigrants. The only way to break a one-party system is to replace them when you can. Vote Smart not along Party-lines

Compromise... should read "compromise between Mike Miller and Mike Miller." Who else said they support the compromise? Shoddy headline.

This is nuts, but then it is the nanny state. Good luck tax payers!

It is not any state's business to police immigration. And they're here. I would much rather have an undocumented kid in school than joining MS-13.

A student legally in this country on a non permanent visa resident status doesnt qualify for in state tuition but someone who doesnt have status and is in violation of immigration laws is allowed a lower tuition rate. Welcome to Maryland.

Can the undocumented get marriage licenses too?

It looks like we're about to educate all the "undocumented" children in any case...

DIVERSITY IS PERVERSITY...

I - L - L - E - G - A - L: look it up! If it's ok for these I - L - L - E - G - A - Ls to get this support where is the line between legal and illegal? This has to open up a barrel of monkeys for other laws! STOP IT, please! This is ridiculous!

Greetings from Los Angeles, the illegal alien capital of America. The post by BB illustrates the short sighted thinking of many people in favor of the Dream Act. You people seem to conveniently forget that once these students are legalized they will do what thousands of anchor babies in Los Angeles do every year: sponsor their illegal alien parents for citizenship. Where is the justice in that? So, the parents who broke the law, took an American citizens job, used the emergency room or "free clinic" without paying a penny, put their kids in public school at a cost of 8-12,000 dollars per year, may have used a false or stolen identity ( a felony ), probably worked off the books and never paid one cent of state or federal tax are going to be rewarded with citizenship and access to medicare, social security and other social programs. We should all be so lucky! You can be sure the spanish language media will let every illegal alien in America know that a college education and eventual amnesty can be had in Maryland. If you think you have an illegal alien problem now, just wait. These Dream Act kids are always causing trouble - chaining themselves together in the street - in Los Angeles. An unusually large percentage of them are also pursuing Chicano studies degrees. That is so they can become the latino activists of tomorrow and help others like themselves get their "rights". Be prepared for some of these kids to turn around and sue you in the future. Too bad everyone in Maryland can't spend one week in Los Angeles. Once they see how most of this city resembles a third world country, in-state tuition for illegals won't stand a chance. Anything that ever makes it easier for an illegal alien to stay in America is self destructive to our society; Los Angeles is proof of that. If you do come to L.A. - why? - be sure to bring your Spanish/English dictionary, you'll need it.

We hope your dream act for gay couples also flies.

But dream act for illegal immigrants would never fly in Virginia. They don't belong here anyway. Why are we NOT enforcing the law and deporting them?

Why don't we have a draft, too, in our military manpower crisis, and let the kids off with a smile if they don't show up?

"That's OK, Johnny. Come back when and if you feel like serving your country."

If a country can't secure its borders and enforce its laws, it has one foot in the grave already. With out national debt, maybe we have two feet in the grave.

1. We have only enough jobs for 2 out of every 3 people and that was before the recession. Inviting more people in, legal or otherwise, is the dumbest thing I EVER heard.

2. If anything happens to America's access to oil, we will feel it at the grocery store, not just in food prices, but in bare shelves. Modern agriculture depends heavily on oil, not just fuel for tractors, harvesters, crop dusters, trucks, trains to haul crops to the store. Also fertilizer and pesticides, energy to cook and prepare/process food, and to create plastic wrap and Styrofoam. We might as well drink the stuff: 9 calories of petro calories end up as one food calorie.

We might not be able to feed the illegals one day, either.

I can't believe any consideration would be given to granting instate tuition rates to the children of illegal aliens. This socalled "birthright citizenship" was supposed to be addressed by Congress in their effort to reform the nation's immigration laws. That's why states like Arizona have taken it upon themselves to deal with illegal immigration because Washington refuses to act! Why in the world would you reward criminal behavior? This new wave of "immigrants" is much different than previous ones in that they make little if any effort to assimilate into our culture. They don't speak English and have little interest in doing so. What is this world coming to?

Thank you so much for subsidizing the education of ILLEGALS when our citizens receive a "GO BACK TO THE BACK OF THE LINE..."

This state disgusts me. You haven't seen anything yet..wait til we get all those "new Americans" from VA and PA ..

We will shortly be voting with our feet.

This state is unbelievable. Time to go. Let the new Americans pay for it all.

We in Maryland know that an educated populace is in the best interest of ALL of us, now and in the future...AND we're willing to pay for it, since we also know that the education of our residents pays dividends many times over (note our high median income relative to the short-sighted states that provide poor educations to their residents).

As evidence of our commitment to educational opportunity for all, one only need to notice how only about 20 of those "Save our State" ninnies showed up to protest at the hearings for this bill, out of a state population of about 6 million.

This is Maryland, folks. Take your anti-immigrant nonsense to some disfunctional, illiterate place like Arizona.

You nuts ask "what part of illegal don't you understand?", while the real question for you is "what part of IRRELEVENT don't YOU understand?"

How would anyone know whether the people gaining admission are legal or illegal immigrants? It's not up to the state to spend our tax dollars to investigate this. Let the Feds tackle the problem. They are the only ones legally allowed to do so anyway.

If you have a problem with the federal action ask the newly elected House why they haven't done a single thing about this problem. Yet we get threats of hearings about made up problems like "czars" and other nonsense.

And if you don't know whether a person is here legally or illegally, how do you know that person "beat" you out of a slot for admission. I think the real problem is that there are some people whose parents neglected their education and they are afraid they won't be able to compete?

What happens to the citizens, who struggled for years to get higher education but could not afford it. When tuition is granted to all American Citizens, then I can support it for illegals. If politicians want to give tuition to undocumented people, who entered the country illegally, let them take it out 0f their pockets not mine.

This is a TERRIBLE deal. Taxes are not bad enough now we have to subsidize illegal students. STOP THIS!!!!!

So... Maryland is now giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens - yet we're talking about denying loving, same sex couples the right to marry? How is this fair? Affording rights to illegal people while denying rights to others? Wow...

Stupid voters approve use of their tax dollars to educate illegal aliens.

You get what you vote for.

What a great idea for a sting operation. Let the kids to register, then we'll know who the illegal parents are and we can then notify ICE and deport them. If they're working then we get the employer too. We get the illegals out of Maryland, and get revenue in the way of fines to the employers. We save the taxpayers money, and create job openings for legal citizens. Great idea Mike Miller!

The biggest hurter in all this is us the citizens of this state and USA. The illegal’s who are getting a free public school education have an advantage right out the box. Majority of them are bilingual and with an equal or better education than our legal citizens will be of more value in the job market. You see it everywhere; advertisement posted in Spanish. Businesses that deal with the public such as banks have at least one person on staff that speaks English and Spanish. Unfortunately our children are only taught English until junior high or high school. Once they have been programmed to only speak and comprehend the English language through most of their childhood it becomes harder to change the rules and introduce another language that is not used. We now have a bilingual society so let’s start teaching OUIR children to speak and read two or three languages from the first day they start school like they do in most other countries. Teaching them when they first start school will allow their brains to be programmed from the beginning of their education to speak several languages. I do not travel much but I have seen in Aruba how their citizens speak four or five languages so they can communicate with everyone who visits the resort island.

People will be much happier when the playing field is level for all.

This is a slap in the face to everyone who PAID their dues to legally immigrate, as well as to all the tax payers in MD. Want to know why MOM has to steal $2 billion from the transportation fund? We're paying for people who aren't paying their fair share. Every time you hit a pothole, curse the illegals!

How can we give reduced rates to illegal aliens from other countries, when legal citizens from neighboring states must pay the full tuition?

To the supporters who are going to hate on my response- you can call me narrow minded, but I couldn't care less! When did it become politically incorrect to follow the law? I am a tax paying American citizen. Criminals belong in jail. Illegal aliens should be deported.

By the way, i've never met a person who is "anti-immigration". We're "anti-ILLEGAL-immigration." Big difference.

Chris Rogers you are soooo wrong. The biggest reason we have a high median income in this state is because of the disproprtionate numbers of high paying government workers in Montgomery, Prine Georges, and Calvert counties. Maryland and the United States can NOT afford to keep giving freebies to freeloaders. Look what has happened to Los Angeles and the entire state of California. You knuckleheaded do gooders are destroying this great country. I have a solution to the illegal immigration problem. Round them all up and SEND THEM BACK!!!

this is why there is a second amendment. get your gun and take back your state.

It is a good thing I learned Spanish in high school and college, with excellent grades. The prof said I should go where Spanish is spoken to get good at it. I need not go far. The Alexandria area near Arlington.... signs like "no reparar automobiles", "la tienda latina"

I am a civil libertarian. It is not a crime to post signs in Spanish (stupid to say steak and pollo, if gringos don't know the place sells chicken), play Ricky Martin, sell burritos from a truck, speak Spanish etc.

But illegal immigration laws must be enforced, immigrants deported. We also need to close birthright citizenship, which was intended for newly-freed American slaves in the 1860s!

Everyone took advantage of my mother when she was old and dying. We need to stop everyone taking advantage of our Mother Land too.

how fair is giving tuition breaks to people illegally in the country yet charging 3-4 times instate tuition for anyone from another state?

it makes no sense.

No, JMPG, we're successful here in Maryland because we have an educated, industrious populace, a diversified economy and a majority of folks who are smart enough to value the importance of investing in our future. That you would point to one of our assets--proximity to the Federal Government--and suggest that our taking advantage of that strength somehow makes our workers "freeloaders" who are getting "freebees" says alot about how detached you are from simple economic concepts like supply and demand, not to mention that federal employment is only one small economic engine in the state relative to all other economic activity that takes place here.

And your reference to Los Angeles somehow being related to what's going on in our state...seriously? Let me guess..you're one of those that thinks the whopping 7% of our residents who are hispanic are all "invading illegals" who jumped the border from Tijuana during the past year and are "destroying" our state, even though we enjoy one of the highest median incomes in the entire country.

Look, you can call me a "do gooder" all you want (who knows wwhere that comes from), but like the vast majority of the folks who live here, I know that MY quality of life--and the quality of our state--is improved when our neighbors are successful, and their success is directly related to the percentage of who are college educated, regardless of whatever paperwork they may or may not possess.

But hey, if you want to champion an uneducated populace, and somehow try to convince others that a bunch of dumb 20-somethings running around is preferable to college grads, go for it. The rest of us--the educated among us--know how misguided, and foolish, that kind of thinking is. And that's why we gladly put our tax dollars to work in providing educational opportunities to our young in this state. We know they're our greatest asset, and that's why short-sighted folks who think like you do are so much in the minority here in our great and quite prosperous state.

If there's any "problem" here in Maryland, it's folks like you. Perhaps we should round your kind up and send you someplace else. Intellectually, you're not really contributing much to our future.

Of course it makes sense, james.

They live in this state, and they'll earn more--much more--in the future if they're college educated than if they're not, which will bring much more prosperity to our state than kids from other states who will likely move away once they graduate.

Did Russia offer tuition assistance to the millions of Germans who entered the country illegally in June, 1941?

Afraid not-they fought back.

These politicians are aiding and abetting the invasion.

Treason pure and simple.

The cost is no problem, just raise the gas tax another $.20 and earmark it for illegal aliens' subsidized tuition . . . there, case solved.

This why I hate politicians. I hate Annapolis. I hate lawyers. I hate illegals.The inmates are running institutions.

What's wrong with these so called politicians? The ILLEGAL bean errs have more rights than I do here in the Third World State of Maryland. Thanks to Martin OWE Malley and his new friends.

F these f'ing illegals and let their kids go home to be educated!

Politicians are flushing this great nation down the toilet. Why when our children are struggling for tuition and the state and country has a defict are we spending money like a drunken sailor especially on illegals. Incredible that our politicians crap on the taxpayers of this nation and state and have no remorse for it. I am a veteran but there is no way I'd sign up again and protect this way of life, this country, this fraud of a democracy.

Chris, as the outspoken leader of allowing illegal immigrant's children the opportunity to have an education in Maryland. I suggest you put your money where your liberal brain is. Why don't you pay the tuition of an illegal student who want to go to a State School? Why does the majority need to pay with our tax dollars to support illegal receiving a in state tuition. The state is having enough fiscal problems because we are funding programs that we can no longer afford. Why don't you tell someone's child that he didn't get accepted to the college of his choice, because an illegal child took their spot. We are not saying that they can't be educated in a Maryland school. We are saying let them pay the full tuition and not one subsidized from the taxpayers

Chris, I'll cut you a break. I'll say you're naive, and not an advocate for thieves who want to steal what doesn't belong to them. These "students" have no rights in America. They are not Americans. If we must "give" them something, give them a one way ticket back to San Salvador. Given rising fuel prices, that's a good deal. Also, they don't "reside" in this state; they trespass in this state. They and their illegal criminal families need to go so Americans can use the land, resources and tax revenues these parasites now drain from us.

We'll never have a real economic recovery until the only immigrants who are allowed after much more scrutiny than present are those who have rare and valuable skills. Selling tacos on the street, raking leaves or draining toilets doesn't count.

Plenty of underemployed "brothers" can do that, and if they can't, their medicaid, school lunches and food stamps, and community college tuition need to go. We need fewer subsidies,not more.

And we need a re-acquaintance with our Euro-based culture of success and private propety, not mestizo communal what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine, values.

Christian Ariel Pujols-Martinez, 24, Maurico Antonio Majano, 32, Dremmier Reinsoso-Silvestre, 26, were arrested in February after a Pikesville resident called 911 to report a theft in progress on Stonehenge Circle.
Pujols-Martinez was released on $35,000 bail. Majano and Reinsoso-Silvestre were each released on $50,000 bail and have been taken into custody by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, police said.


All would be entitled to TAXPAYER FUNDED EDUCATION!

But these 3 will have to wait until their 2 week jail terms are over and then will have to wait until they break into our country again and find their way back to Martyland.

wow so many negative comments. i could understand all the ANTI people. has anyone of you taken a good look around your surroundings???? the free, legal people of the state of maryland REFUSE to get an education!!!! it looks like sooner or later well need police enforcement to get kids back into the classrooms, legal kids i mean. Many of our "legal" kids are doing drugs, are in JUVI for God knows what, hooking school, and just being deviant!!!! is it any wonder why a break is being given to people who seem to know the importance of EDUCATION , or value it??? think again people.

I have a dream - that U of MD will admit more MD citizens whose parents are also citizens - College Park admits more and more out of state students - so as a result those of us who play by the rules either get admitted for 2nd semester or dont get in at all. As a result I pay out of state tuition at a school that WOULD accept my son. Children of illeagals are no doubt attractive to the diversity of college park administrators and will leap to the front of the line.

One more angle to consider beyond the obvious outrage of granting discounts to illeagals and their offspring

Gee, didactic1, how nice of you to "cut me a break" and "say I'm naive." In the spirit of polite conversation, I'll return the favor and cut you a break, since your post shows that you're not only naive, but obviously uneducated as well.

For example, your comment that those students "have no rights in America" indicates that you must have been asleep in 10th grade Social Studies class, where they taught that here in America, "all men are created equal, with rights that are endowed by our Creator." Our rights, in other words, are not subject to whether or not our parents were born in this country. Look it up. It's in something we call "the Constitution." Similarly, the notion of someone living in this country being an "American" really isn't subject to whatever definition you personally consider the term to mean. If they live here and want to call themselves "American" then they can do that too, regardless of whether you choose to accept that. In fact, frankly, nobody really cares whether you think they, or "the brothers" you speak of, or anyone else who doesn't share your quaint little notion of "Euro-based culture" is American or not. Your declaration that someone else who lives here must pass your "scrutiny" to be "allowed" to live here is laughable.

But what's really kinda pathetic, and pretty naive, is that you actually seem to think that anyone is going to "go" anywhere just because you want to stamp your feet and declare someone else "parasites" or think that you have more of a claim to live in this state than anyone else.

Face it, Hon, though it obviously pains you, these kids who live in our state are Marylanders just like the rest of us, regardless of where their parents were born, whether or not they're "brothers", or if they share your "Euro-based culture" or not. As such, the majority of us know that we're all better off if they, like all kids in our state, enjoy every opportunity to get an affordable education and to succeed. We recognize that advanced education leads to higher incomes, more tax dollars, less crime and less dependency on our social programs. That you can't see the benefits of greater education for all our children (or are so blinded by your laughably declared "Euro" superiority) shows not only short-sightedness but a real naivete about how communities and their individual members succeed.

Thankfully, folks who think like you do are a relatively small minority in our state, and we'll continue to "cut you a break" while we move forward, because we know that for the most part your naivete and narrow thinking toward your fellow Marylanders is pretty much irrelevent. We'll just keep on educating our kids and enjoying the benefits that those investments reap. You're welcome to come along for the ride, but no, we won't call you a "parasite" for doing so.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, though.

ps: I know the "rights endowed by our Creator" quote comes from the Declaration of Independence...simply a mistype.

God, I pray you save us from well-meaning liberals who think that inviting the "barbarian" in for dinner will result in general good will and a table were we all sing kumbaya...Liberals apparently need to go back to school and study world history. Appeasement has never worked and does not work now. Spending more than you make is not sustainable, nor is it "green." An idiot has his mind made up with preconcieved opinions ("don't bother me with the facts...they don't fit my world view")... When the liberals wake up some night at 3am to find their homes on fire, don't call a conservative for help! (He'll already be on the ramparts doing his share to save the Republic).

what is really amazing is how the general point is missed that a tax paying illegal should be allowed in state status. illegal's dont pay taxes without a falsified ssn or itin. so really this is pandering by a party to a group of constituents who dont vote, but they have friends who do vote. allowing instate status is a disgrace to those lawful dependents who are here as a result of their parents immigration. H1, J1 status parents who are sponsoring their children on h4 or j2 dependent visas have to pay out of state tuition for their children. they are the legals that should have instate status. they are only residency for tax purposes in this state.

Chris Rogers you certainly are full of yourself. Too bad you've used your good writing skills and sarcastic wit to expose your total lack of understanding of the problems caused by illegal aliens.

Your posts fail to include the costs to the state of providing services to not only the students, but their families and the relatives they are sure to sponsor for citizenship. I'm sure that was an unintentional oversight on your part.

I'm sure that the parents of these students are well educated people who have always paid state and federal taxes - do you think they used a Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) or did they steal someones social security number - and their income levels and child deductions didn't guarantee them a full refund or more. The pro illegal alien crowd loves to tell anyone who will listen that some illegals pay taxes, but they always neglect to mention the illegals usually get full refunds.

How many trips to their doctor's office - legal citizens call it the emergency room - do you think these students and their families have taken. How much did that cost the tax payers?

How much has the state already spent on the public education for these students? Not to worry, I'm sure momma and poppa pay thousands in property taxes every year.

Do you think these students have any siblings that don't do well in school, will spend their lives using state services but not producing enough wealth to pay for it. No, that can't happen, who ever heard of latinos having lots of kids.

Have you ever heard of chain migration or family reunification? You won't find a latino who hasn't heard of it. Once you are 21 years old and a citizen, it is time to start sponsoring your relatives for citizenship. In Los Angeles, the large swearing in ceremonies are sometimes referred to as latin AARP conventions. That is an exaggeration, but you get the point.

This is not a problem, because according to you all these costs and more will be forever paid for when these whiz kids finish their neurosurgery residency and start filling the states coffers with cash. Cities like Los Angeles, Sacramento, Phoenix, Houston, San Antonio, Miami and many others must be filled with the bad latino immigrants. Thank God you can assure everyone that Maryland will be getting the good latino immigrants.

Once the Spanish language media starts reporting all the goodies to be had in Maryland, you can expect thousands of visitors from as far away as Mexico City. If I were you I would make sure all the Welcome to Maryland signs on the interstates are written in spanish. You don't want all the new tax payers to get lost.

I'm selfish. When I leave Los Angeles after 24 years and move back to Columbia, Md. in six months, I want to be sure it doesn't turn into a third world state like Ca. Have you been watching the news lately?

Why don't you put your posts in a time capsule, and ten years from now we can all see if the latino population has stayed at that measly 7% and the median incomes in Md. are still high. I don't think so.

Your kind used to be a dime a dozen out here, but now even the liberals are starting to get upset. It seems the latino population has gotten so big they are encroaching on the few remaining good neighborhoods. It's funny how quickly liberal snobs change their attitude once they start to see "those" people in their neighborhoods without a leaf blower.

Say hello to your fellow progressives down at the immigration law office, Chicano studies program or whatever. Be sure you are witty and condescending with your reply. We have Sunday nights dinner check bet on how well you do. Hope to see you in six months. I'll be down in Annapolis delivering some home movies to some state representatives. They seem interested in showing their constituents what really happens to a city that caters to illegal immigrants. Leave your address and I'll send you some copies. Good night pumpkin.

Chris Rogers how is taxing the citizens of this state to the hilt moving forward?
You mimic the empty rhetoric of MOM-you remember him the governor more interested in making a name for himself in DC than actually governing in Maryland.
As a resident of NE Baltimore I do not see the enlightened educated masses that you speak of.
All I see is a high crime, dirty, dangerous city with crummy schools I dare not send my son to and roads that look like they were paved on the moon.
How is this moving forward?
Education needs both a stable school and a stable home front to succeed.
Yet here in Baltimore all I here about a stable home front is silence.
No mention of it.
Swept under the rug.
How is that moving Maryland forward?
There are enough ills in Baltimore alone that need to solved before this state kowtows to illegal immigrants sir.
And for the record I am a Democrat with mixed children.
Thank you.

Chris, education, of which I have ample quantity, doesn't not necessarily equate wisdom.

Nor, as a first year law student who'se taken constitutional law might gently chide you, does the "Declaration" mean anything legally other than key leaders in the colonies decided to sever legal relations with the British Empire in 1776.

Finally, you do us a great favor: you admit you believe in open borders. oppose all immigration laws and naively cling to a notion that once anyone arrives in a nation even illegally, that they qualify for full legal equality.

But I may be mistaken about your ignorance and Naivete. You may simply be a typical progressive American trial lawyer who pays his/her dues to the ACLU and American Bar Assn.

Either way, in most nations, including so-called democracies, immigration is a choice, not a natural law mandate.

Think before you assume.

Why don't you put your posts in a time capsule, and ten years from now we can all see if the latino population has stayed at that measly 7% and the median incomes in Md. are still high. I don't think so.
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The percentage of Latinos is not the issue. The illegals are the issue. Hypothetically, if 50% of people were Latino AND legally admitted, no foul.

What is the problem is we don't have the jobs to spare. We should put Not Hiring signs on the border (No Trabajos).

It is stupid to let more people in when we can't employ the ones we have. It is like a bus letting on more people when there are no seats and everyone has to stand.

And by the way, read dieoff.org. IF we have to go back to pre-mechanized farming (peak oil) we are already *****ed. We could only feed 200,000,000 people that way. 120,000,000 would starve to death.

We can't employ them, one day we can't feed them. We can't let them in.

We have to take care of ourselves. We can't take on more.


@ Pancho Via…
While I appreciate the concerns you’ve voiced, if we take a look at the actual issues you’ve raised it’s evident that you’re focusing on either unsubstantiated claims about the folks who live here in Maryland or worries about what you imagine MIGHT happen sometime in the future. In short, you’re not addressing the issue at hand, which is whether it’s preferable to subsidize the continuing education of all of our students, based on their residency in the state, or if we’d be better off having a portion of those students (and future taxpayers) remain uneducated, earning less future income, and subsequently paying less future taxes to our state’s coffers.
So let’s look at the actual elements of just some your argument:
--“ the costs to the state of providing services to not only the students, but their families and the relatives they are sure to sponsor for citizenship.” Those kids live here already, so those “costs” will continue until they earn enough not to need them, which is more likely if they attain higher educations than if they do not. As for “sponsoring citizenship” of others, that’s an entirely different issue, not predicated on whether or not they’re educated.
--“their families pay little or no taxes now.” (paraphrased). Again, while you may be correct on this point in some circumstances, the chances are much greater that these students, once educated, will indeed be paying taxes, substantial ones, since the jobs they’ll qualify for will require it. What their parents may or may not pay in taxes (which is based purely on an assumption on your part) won’t change whether or not their kids are educated, but the kids themselves are much more likely to be contributing members of our society if they’re educated.
--“chain migration.” Again, a different issue not related to the educational attainment of kids already living here, and if this does become an issue in the future, it’s one which can be dealt with a different set of restrictions.
--“LA, Phoenix, Houston, etc.” Other places, different issues, not relevant to this issue at hand.
--“Spanish Language media telling their audiences to come to Maryland, and those audiences presumably coming here based on that.” Once again, no basis in fact at all, just an assumption dreamed up by you (with your “scary” prediction that “thousands from as far away as Mexico City” showing up simply because their kids will get an in-state rate on college tuition a few years down the road). Yeah, sure they will.
--“The Latino population will grow, and median incomes will fall if we allow these kids access to in-state rates for college.” I don’t doubt that the proportion of Latino residents will grow here in the future, given demographic trends. So what? Demographics constantly change, and we welcome that. It sounds like you think that having Hispanic neighbors is somehow less desirable than neighbors with different heritage/ethnicities. If that’s your argument, the “preferential race” thing, then you’ve got other, more serious personal issues than this discussion addresses. As for the median income falling because we educate more of our residents, there’s more than enough data out there to show that that particular argument is just plain screwy.
Then you go into something about “liberals”, “progressives”, leaf blowers and your personal home movies. I’m not really sure where that all comes from, or what it has to do with a discussion about college tuition rates. I can offer this, however. My interest in this issue is based on my belief that the more educated our kids are, the more they’ll earn in the future, which will result in more taxes for our state, less dependency on social services and a greater opportunity to grow our economy than if they are not educated, regardless of their heritage or whatever paperwork their parents may or may not possess. As for the nonsense about trying to make this issue something about calling people you disagree with “liberal” or “conservative”, while I know hurling those irrelevant labels is a popular “slam” by the talk radio crowd, you might consider rising above such stupidity. It really adds nothing to the relative merit of the positions on either side of the discussion (just like your silly “pumpkin” reference). If you want to advance your position on the issue, great…but such “tactics” only serve to undermine the validity of your argument and make you appear, quite frankly, small-minded.
Have a great day. Oh, and welcome back to our great state! I wish you all the best for a successful future here.

Well done Chris Rogers!
Your post is very well written and you completely dodge the issue of the costs associated with the friends and relatives of your savior students. I knew you would. Why? Because we both know that's where the problem is, but your pro-illegal agenda can't deal with it. You sound like a defense attorney: "ladies and gentleman, the blood evidence, the fingerprints and the gun are not important. My client is a nice guy so that's all that matters." You have nothing and you know it. But you sound really really smart when you say it. Gotta go, so here is one last test for you and remember it's the internet so you can lie. I've already won dinner - you are as predictable as a sunrise - but now we are wagering on the tip.
My name is Chris Rogers and I am:
A) An immigration attorney
B) A college professor ( you write well, and I need to brush up on my grammar)
C) A Chicano studies major
D) A civil rights attorney
E) An employee of a pro latino politician or organization ( Casa, LULAC, La Raza...)
F) A smart person who spends his/her time around not so smart people so they don't know how not very smart I am. I told you I need help with my grammar.
G) Someone who will be making money from increased immigration.
H) A child of God. Cardinal Mahoney is that you? Look it up.

PS, You should get someone to send you copies of La Opinion, the spanish language newspaper in Los Angeles, and tapes of our spanish language TV news. Maryland has already been mentioned so that's another one you got wrong. Like I said, change those interstate signs.
We are done so you get the last word, but that's always the case isn't it. Tootles.

Grrant, you never met anyone anti-immigration, but I think we need a moratorium on immigration. I think we have enough people from sea to shining sea already- IF we put them to work.

What's wrong with getting unemployment down to record levels?

So if ANY state employee loses their job this year or next they should sue the state for allowing funds to go to illegal activities while not allowing funds to keep (legal) state jobs!

Great. They come here illegally, take my jobs, and now my taxes go towards paying their children's tuition. Good thinking, legislators.

i know a illegal person in maryland but i don t know where to call i know the adress and even the number of the hause please help me

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