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December 28, 2010

Senator wants in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

An incoming state senator said Tuesday that he plans to introduce legislation to give in-state college tuition to illegal immigrants who have attended state high schools.

“After we have invested in their education, it makes sense to treat them equally when it comes to college tuition,” said Victor Ramirez, a Prince George’s County Democrat. He said colleges should focus on residency requirements rather than immigration status.

Annual tuition and mandatory fees at the University of Maryland are $8,416 for state residents and $24,831 for non-residents, according to the school’s website.

Ramirez, who was a delegate for eight years before winning a Senate seat this fall, said his legislation would be similar to a 2007 plan that passed the House of Delegates but faltered in the Senate. Both chambers approved an in-state tuition bill in 2003, but it was vetoed by then-Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., a Republican.

Gov. Martin O’Malley, a Democrat who has referred to illegal immigrants as “new Americans,” has said he would sign an in-state tuition bill.

Ramirez said he believes the changed makeup of the state Senate — which gained two Democrats this fall — gives the effort “a good chance of passing this year.” He said the legislation would require that a college applicant attend at least two years of high school in Maryland, have parents who pay income taxes and sign an affidavit swearing that he or she would complete the paperwork necessary to become a U.S. citizen.

Del. Pat McDonough, a Baltimore County Republican, said Tuesday that he plans to introduce 15 bills that crack down on illegal immigrants, including a proposal that would specifically ban colleges from giving them in-state tuition.

“It’s not fair to law-abiding students, and it’s not fair to taxpayers,” said McDonough, who has condemned a Montgomery County community college for giving in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants.

Ramirez's renewed interest in the topic comes just after the President Barack Obama-backed federal Dream Act failed in the lame-duck Congress. That bill would have provided a path to citizenship for the children of parents who illegally brought them to the United States.

Political observers predict that the infusion of new Republicans in Congress next year means the immigration debate will shift to enforcement.

Posted by Julie Bykowicz at 11:24 AM | | Comments (91)
Categories: 2011 legislative session, Immigration
        

Comments

Bad idea-why encourage even more none taxpaying illegal immigrants-I mean New Americans-to settle in Maryland?

The pandering to non citizens couldn't be more blatant.

Illegal aliens ARE NOT YOUR CONSTITUENTS Senator!

You are to represent your constituents, not those who should be deported!

What part of illegal do these politicians not understand?
Gain citizenship through proper channels, set your state residencd, then you can get in-state tuition. How difficult is that to understand?

The American citizens really need to put an end to this nonsense. It's time our politicans realize they work for the taxpayer not against us. I understand that a liberal depends on what he can give away for votes instead of earning the vote from the people that take care of themselves.

Are you serious? I hardly can afford to go to a public, Maryland college (as a Maryland resident), and now illegal immigrants get the same tuition rate? How is this fair? Let me guess, all of the illegal immigrants will be awarded financial aid next? There is my tax dollars at work. I can barely afford tuition but let's give all the hand-outs to the immigrants.

Vic- they are not "our students"-- they are some other country's students if they are here illegally.

However, I am willing to compromise. Give them in-state tuition. Then, as soon as they set foot on campus, arrest them and deport them.

Is there anything in this paper worth reading? All this progressive liberal garbage everywhere in this paper. No wonder its circulation has decreased, it sucks!! I knew I came here for a decent article by mistake.

The United States is being destroyed from within by traitors like Ranirez, Luis Gutierrez and Harry Reid among others. These fanatics circumvent any law they personally do not like or agree with though they swore to uphold the Constitution and our nations laws. They will do ANYTHING to flood this country with Latinos in their quest for power. All of these despicable traitors put their own personal ambitions over the good of our nation. Millions of dollars in government grants are given to racists organization like ACORN and La Raza (The Race) to destroy our country. While unemployed or under employed American citizens sleep in their cars the government worries about in-state tuition and preferential treatment for ILLEGALS! Despicable!

The United States is being destroyed from within by traitors like Ranirez, Luis Gutierrez and Harry Reid among others. These fanatics circumvent any law they personally do not like or agree with though they swore to uphold the Constitution and our nations laws. They will do ANYTHING to flood this country with Latinos in their quest for power. All of these despicable traitors put their own personal ambitions over the good of our nation. Millions of dollars in government grants are given to racists organization like ACORN and La Raza (The Race) to destroy our country. While unemployed or under employed American citizens sleep in their cars the government worries about in-state tuition and preferential treatment for ILLEGALS! Despicable!

TREASON! plain and simple, even my liberal gay tuchas knows this is some anti-american b.s..

Not that I agree with this legislation but let's consider a few issues raised in these blogs. First, Sen. Ramirez has not proposed this legislation to earn votes, illegal immigrants don't and can't vote. Secondly, some illegals get paid under the table but a lot pay taxes under false SS#'s and never file returns, so no refunds. They are tax payers. Thirdly, this is aimed at children who are brought here by their parents, not coming here of their own choice.

WE MUST remember that every seat taken by an ILLEGAL ALIEN is a seat not taken by a LEGAL CITIZEN of the state of Maryland.

EVERY seat taken by an ILLEGAL ALIEN under this bill will be a seat SUBSIDIZED BY THE LEGAL TAXPAYERS OF THIS STATE.


I will not pay to educate illegal aliens in Maryland. I can barely afford to educate my own son.

For this Senator to introduce this bill is a violation of his oath and he should be impeached.

Many liberal Democrats lost their seats because taxpayers have had enough of their nonsense. Hopefully the elections in 2012 will get rid of the rest of the traitors. Taxpayers are tired of supporting foreigners here illegally while they steal their jobs.

This just keeps getting worse as the days go by. I am trying my hardest to put my kids through college and it seems that the illegals get more breaks then "the Americans". When is it going to stop? I kinda feel bad for those out of state families that are paying more than double to send their kids to college in MD and they are TAX PAYING CITIZENS.

I agree with John's post at 12:12 today that this nonsense lures illegals to MD. In time our kids will be competing for the same jobs that the illegals WILL get because of some other quota that will need to be filled.

We all need to contact our elected officials to stop this nonsense TODAY!

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What does Senator-elect Ramirez not understand about the word illegal? Why should I subsidize the education of someone in this country illegally? Illegal is illegal. If he wants to give illegal immigrants a lower cost college education let him pay for it. I am not against immigration or education. But I am against rewarding someone for not following the rules.

"We Are The Ones We've Been Waiting For"

This is what you get, when you vote for democRATS.

Stop the lies.

The Dream ACT does not steal any spots from an American citizen.

this is an in-state out-of-state situation. Not legal vs illegal.

A student from Texas who wishes to go to college in Maryland has to pay out-of-state tuition regardless of what the illegal alien in Maryland has to pay. These are not criminals. They are Americans, without papers. They are American in every sense, except on paper. They lived in Maryland their whole lives, went to high school in Maryland....why shouldn't they receive in-state tuition?

Now, if an illegal alien went to high school in Maryland but wants to go to college in Chicago, he will pay out-of-state tuition. If he lived in Maryland his whole life but decided to go to college in Chicago and gets in-state then that is an outrage. He shouldn't. But he's not getting it.

God bless you Senior, and god bless the Dream act

Fellow Marylanders,

We deserve this. We made it happen. I am a true middle of the roader (I looked liberal many years ago) but I never have seen such a disregard for the wishes of middle america by politicians who only vote for a small vocal very liberal minority of americans. We in MD should be ashamed that we didn't do what the many states in the US did and throw many of them out. This Senator feels he can do whatever he wants as he will keep his job here no matter his desires. What these politicians don't get is that the country is not as liberal as their desires and middle america has had it with these type of politicians.

a bunch of bigots in here...look in the mirror and say the words..."i am a racist..." why even try to hid under legal/illegal arguments? sad

Who voted for this guy? Was this part of his running platform? If so then you got what you desreved and you gotta be kidding me!

Little Senator Victor Ramirez has a history of only looking out for his illegal alien Hispanic brothers and sisters. He pushes drivers' licenses, funding for CASA of Maryland Day Laborer Job Centers, and is opposed to all immigration enforcement even for criminals and cooperation with federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials. Add in-state tuition for lawbreaking Hispanic illegal aliens to his list of anti-Maryland citizen activities. Ramirez is seemingly a "domestic terrorist" who opposes the rule of law, American values, citizenship and the English language.

Every state that is fed up with illegal immigrants should provide road maps to Prince George, Maryland with the information that they are welcome there.

This is a terrible idea. Let's help people become legal citizens before we offer them a break on tuition!

I fought with the University of Maryland for a couple of YEARS before they would grant me in-state tuition for graduate school, even after my name was on the title to a house. I was told that I needed to "prove" that I intended to stay. Buying a house isn't sufficient proof? Infuriating to think that I could have had encountered fewer obstacles had I been an illegal immigrant, rather than a US citizen who uprooted my entire life to move here.

why doesn't the Sun write an article about why the governor has proclaimed that he has not raised tution rates for the past 4 years. All other fees(lab) and room and board have gone up significantly. I think this is becuase he can use it as a way to say he has kept college cost level however that is BS...the real reason I think is that the Maryland 529 Pre Paid Tuiton Trust only pays for tuition...by leaving tution level they save that plan from further losses whereas taxpayers are actually paying signficantly more.

This groteque example of taxpayer abuse is why I left The Peoples Republic of Maryland. The State is now run by a hard core group of marxist/leninists absolutely determined to redistribute wealth to the collective. It is fast becoming a state of very rich liberals and very poor liberals, squeezing out the middle class.

The far left public sector unions dominate the politics of the State. It's only going to get worse. Get out while you can, unless of course you are a state or federal worker... in which case you think Maryland is heaven.

Many friends have gone through the long legal road of citizenship and we have proudly celebrated the day they became citizens. They work long and hard, pay taxes, and for a period of time can not even return to their countries unless they start the process over. It takes several years to complete the quest. They are proud and I am so very proud of them! Giving ILLEGALS an easy way out is an insult to them.

Why does the Senator think the majority of citizens of this State would support this crap? This is absurd! We should help and protect our in-state students not those (how ever they got here)looking for a handout or help when they haven't worked for it. This is BS that this State has too much of - it is time it is put to a STOP!! Other Senators take note.

So now according to some lawless people here, they are saying anyone who wants our immigration laws followed and enforced is a racist?

How sick is that?


There are only so many seats in a college classroom. If ONE of them is taken by an illegal alien that is one less for SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT BROKEN OUR LAWS as their VERY FIRST action stepping foot in our country.

A country without borders is a country that is in chaos.

Seth:

Living within the geographic boundaries of a country does not make you a citizen. They are not "American in every way except their paperwork". The "paperwork" is the whole crux of it.

I'm liberal on just about every issue, was raised by very liberal parents, and disagree with right-wingers on just about everything, but I just don't understand how there can be any logical dispute on the immigration issue.

We have borders, as all countries do. We have a system for allowing people to enter the country legally, there are legal mechanisms designed for work visas, gaining citizenship, and so on.

If you are here without following those systems, you are here illegally, and if you're caught you should be sent out. Come in legally through the front door like so many of our ancestors did.

It's so freaking simple and logical, and consistent, and nobody that supports illegal entry has logical support for their position. The approach seems to be solely that it's a done deal, and we just have to learn to live with it, which is ridiculous. There is no other lawbreaking activity that we would treat that way, why would we treat this one that way?

States should not morph into a Liberal so-called progressive state like California. Readers should do their research and they will find a study conducted by Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich in 2008. The total cost of illegal immigration to Los Angeles County taxpayers in one year alone exceeded $1 billion. Approximately $200 million is spent on public safety, $400 million for medical care and $450 million to welfare and food stamps. THAT'S JUST IN ONE CITY?

California--The ultra Sanctuary City and a State overrun by the illegal immigration major issues. Sacramento crammed with Ultra Liberal extremists that are destroying the once great state, by catering and subsidizing the unceasing invasion. Mind, this not the only recognized city that is stealing money from legal residents, to pander to millions of illegal aliens. This would be exposed if Senator Harry Reid had not tabled a mandatory E-Verify program, to reveal the illegal nationals working all around the nation? It is my suggestion that their was some ominous goings on during the voting for Sen. Reid, seeing that Nevada is also crowded with illegal immigrants. I Know? Can't vote? Your out of step, if you think that laws stop illegal aliens from voting; specifically absentee ballots? Public assistance is inundated with instant citizenship babies, that the parents exploit by accessing the welfare and public services. The schools are the domains of non-speaking alien children, which have literary taken percentage-wise over the education through K-12 in California. Most Americans don't logically realize that without the infiltration of these economic people, much of our slipping economy would be saved.

THE 1986 SIMPSON-MAZZOLI BILL WAS A TRAVESTY OF IMMIGRATION REFORM. IT WAS ONE HUGE FRAUDULENT ESCAPADE PLAYED ON THE US TAXPAYER. OVER THE YEARS THIS ORIGINAL AMNESTY BECAME A SEVERE ATTRACTION FOR ECONOMIC ILLEGAL MIGRANTS TO SETTLE HERE, WITH COSTS THAT CANNOT EVEN BE CONCEIVED TO THE TAXPAYER. The Heritage Foundation recently released a account that analyzes what low-skilled households cost the U.S. taxpayer. For every dollar they pay in taxes they get three dollars in benefits. The drain on the U.S. economy will be unsustainable in future years if this complete indifference to taxpayers continues?

The health care system is falling apart because of the constant stream of people without insurance are using the system. Without fear of contradiction-the Lib and Democratic militants, will find a way to usher the millions of illegal aliens into Obamacare? There are some essential provisions in the law, that doesn't give the abhorrent insurance companies the legal right to reject patients with pre-existing conditions, but much of the other legislation must be repealed. Like most far left wing agendas, their is a dribble of Republicans have endeavored to push through Congress an incessant flow of foreign minimum wage workers and their families. The Dream act if it passed would afterwards allowed the legitimized applicants to eventually bring in family through chain migration laws, causing even more disruption in the welfare system. Chain Migration is full of fraudulent financial bonds by the sponsor, which finally doesn't pay for the support of his older family members.

The tide has finally turning and the TEA PARTY ADVOCATES, will be watching intently the Republican move to altering the laws involved. In border state of Arizona is exemplary fighting for the defense and protection of it legal citizens and permanent residents, only to find itself demonized by the Liberal progressives. Some border regions of US sovereignty land, Americans are prohibited to go, as drug smugglers are using it as a refuge with hardly any policing enforcement. Our country has been tormented and subject to billions of dollars annually in entitlement payments, for anybody who can slip past the border or overstay their visa with no real penalty. All patriots should demand that entry into our country is a felony, not a civil offense? Police forces throughout this country are everyday confronted by criminals from other countries committing a wide spectrum of heinous crimes.

Several decades of administrations that seem nonobligatory to the American people, but pander to the invasion plans of illegal aliens. Years of government failure to build a real barrier, similar to the strong Israeli wall that keeps out unwelcome people. Eventually the Middle Eastern Jihadists will commit a massacre somewhere across this country, assisted with criminal drug gangs from across our porous border. We need the military along the length of the national border fully armed. The Tea Party will exact their own harsh penalty on any politician who authors any form of Amnesty, including those they voted into office. Americans of all walks of life, religion or race should entertain joining a local Tea PARTY.

Why be against those who are trying to get an education to better their lives. So what if they dont have a piece of paper. Be thankfull that they are trying to do better and dont want to be stuck at McDonalds like other americans who already have the opportunity to have better.

What part of illegal does this Senator not understand? The most important thing you should be doing is protecting the legal citizens not pushing illegal people down our throats. It is a real shame to see what is going on in this country knowing that the American Indians who where the first here have lost the most.

Who elected this cha cha head?
He dosen't understand english and what the word illegal means

This is a typical pandering liberal. Deport him

Yeah. You dumb MaryLanders keep on voting for liberal, er, uh, I mean, progressive, politicians. You'll deserve what you get.

Can you say one and done!!!
Thank God I dont live in MD anymore

American Patrol..........if you were anywhere near me right now I'd flog you unmercifully!!!! YOU & EVERYONE LIKE YOU WHO WANTS THIS PROGRESSIVE/SOCIALIST/LIBERAL/LEFTIST AGENDA SHOULD MOVE IMMEDIATELY TO VENEZUELA!!!! OMG, I"M SUCH A RACIST......I think my head is gonna pop off, no, I think I blew a vain after reading posts like this !@#$%

illegal immigrants don't deserve the same privilege that being a citizen entails. There's a reason that the word illegal comes before it, they are spitting in the faces of people who gain citizenship the right way. The politicians who support this amnesty should be voted out, because the people who are here legally don't want this BS to pass

How are we supposed to pay for this? The state cannot afford to give in-state tuition rates to aliens. Where's the money going to come from? Didn't this senator hear about the budget crisis? The money funding these tuition discounts to those who broke our immigration law is money that needs to be spent on teachers, police, firefighters, medical services, and more. There are pressing issues that need the money this in-state tuition idea would siphon out of the budget.

Do not give in-state tuition to illegal immigrants. My family followed the law when we came to this country. The law has changed over time. That's life. We shouldn't keep punishing ourselves to somehow let illegals catch up.

ONE WORD SUMS IT ALL UP, "MULTICULTURALISM". LOOK IT UP. ALL THE LARGE CULTURES IN HISTORY HAS FALLEN BECAUSE OF THIS. THE ROMAN EMPIRE, THE GREEK EMPIRE etc.
WE ARE DESTROYING OURSELVES

This "man" and anyone who supports this idiotic legislation, needs to be held accountable by his constituents and the citizens of this state. He, and his agenda, are abominations and can not be allowed to proceed! This lunacy needs to end!

Dear Maryland University System,

When calculating the cost of tuition, dorm, meal plans, etc., it is more expensive to come to the U. of Maryland as an out-of-state student than to attend many private colleges. You might want to fix that.

mexicans and muslims will be the downfall of this country.

I swear Maryland is worse than California. Has anyone requested a sanity test for O'Malley? He calls illegal aliens "New Americans"? He has to be crazy and not fit for office. As for this Victor Ramirez, did he ever think these illegal aliens could do a world of good in their own country after raping the American taxpayer for their education. Get in the ballgame, Maryland. Stop pandering to these illegal aliens. When we get our immigration law passed here in Delaware, we'll send another 68,000 illegal aliens over for you to call "New Americans", O'Malley. How's that?

Let me say this, Mr. Ramierez of course you have an interest in the undocumented youth. The CITIZENS of Maryland have an interest in the CITIZENS of Maryland. All you politcians care about is money and votes! That's why theMontgomery County School System is jacked up now, the illegal population is already overcrowding this state now! I am sick of the pandering! ESL classes costing millions of dollars because the parents refuse to speak to their children in English, this is ridiculous. You will not get my vote! These schools don't even fly American Flags anymore, why are our AMERICAN children being treated like second class citizens,most illegal immigrants are unpatriotic and ungrateful and don't want to be Americans!

Ask the little boy who had to take the American flag off his bike, ask the teens who had to turn their American flag shirts inside out on cinco de mayo,ask the little girl who American Flag Art was deemed offensive, then you will understand why people are unsympathetic to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

What part of "ILLEGAL" doesn't the senator understand?

Thanks

Complaining here does nothing. People need to pay close attention to legislation introduced and show up an hour and a half before the hearing, put their names on the list to speak and speak your mind where it will make a difference, in Annapolis.

Look at all the idiots, yelling in anger against the DREAM act, such hypocrisy and stupidity...

This can't happen. No, we can't affford to pay for illegals college when we can barely afford for our own kids. Everyone, search CASA de Maryland. Central American Solidarity Association. In PG county they use our tax dollars to print information for illegals to get around ICE. They are here illegally, they are breaking the law.

I think Vic makes a lot of sense immgrants here in maryland and all around the nationa are hard working people and the immigration issues is not a new problem. Since these children are here why not educate them and make them productive citizens give them a chance to work and take care of there families and not become a burden on the country. Once they go to college and become American they will invest their talents in our country. It is not robery if they are paying it forward.

I think this is a great idea and would give immigrants a chance to pay it forward they are here people give them a chance to be able to take care of themselves and their families and not be a burden on the country. If they are being productive residents then they like you have the right to become American as they are already American's at heart

Help Stop The Political Traitors In Congress & End Illegal Politics In The U.S

We must organize as a nation now… The U.S is on the path of being taken over by illegal immigrant terrorist by 2011. Our Senate will vote to yes on an Amnesty bill this month and allow the continued invasion of over 30 million illegal immigrants of who are habitual lawbreakers, uneducated, criminals, terrorists, gang members, pedophiles, prostitutes, and drug users/dealers. Illegal Immigrant and supporters steal money, use violence, and make terrorist threats to people who oppose amnesty. Defense budgets and military bases all over the country are closing down. Open your eyes people they don’t need soldiers they want slaves. Your current lawmakers have sold us out to foreign nations, private investors and the poor south of our border. The plan is to replace us with illegal immigrants then leave legal U.S citizens broke, hungry and defenseless to be taken over by rich and poor foreigners with bad intension. Citizens born in the United States are the target of elimination and are slowly being pushed out of the workforce. Illegal immigrants in the U.S earn an average income of $30,000 per yr with no papers, elementary diploma, high school diploma, or college degree. This is our land and civilization we were born here. A fact is illegal immigrants hate U.S citizens; many raise their kids to be lawbreakers, criminals and to support terrorism in the USA. This Dream Act is a breach of national security and must be stopped now. The people do not have to accept this treason or any new laws or legislation that supports foreigners before it’s own legal citizens. Organize & mobilize join us at http://usmoa.org/


Our Government, has allowed the invasion of 30 million criminals in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution. they force American tax payers to pay Billions to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders children, free medical care,massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE!
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immigrationcounters.com/
.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
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.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ
.gopetition.com/petition/40860.html
Every Non-representative including obama and holder need to be IMPEACHED! for not upholding the oath of office they swore to defend the Constitution! If these clowns were to do their job, this would all be a Moot point!
Anchor babies and their criminal parents go, period, and cut the phony tears, you knew you were breaking the law when you crossed the border.

Next shut down any business hiring illegal labor and confiscate all property belonging to the owner. Property will be sold at auction and the proceeds to pay for the massive deportation. Oh and owners go to jail.
Got a better idea? Lets hear it!

Governor Jan Brewer was RE-ELECTED in Arizona. Russell Pearce, the sponsor of the much maligned and lied about SB1070 was re-elected and elected to President of the Senate!

More Republicans were elected to the Arizona Senate and House.

All despite the lies and protests and lame stream media work against the SB1070.

That shows that people are fed up with ILLEGAL ALIENS and those elected officials that support them.

We must contain our borders and secure our nation against invasion which is the governments FIRST duty to its LEGAL citizens and residents.

Again ... What part of illegal
do they not understand????

You idiots who keep voting for these types of people get what you deserve. How many of you who posted comments actually voted?

I have been encouraged by the response to the Sun article regarding Senator Ramirez intention to introduce a “Dream Act Amnesty Bill” as noted in the article I will be introducing a package of 15 pieces of legislation designed to fight the Illegal Alien problem in Maryland including an Arizona style bill. Citizens and activists have been meeting for months preparing for this campaign in the 2011 General Assembly session. Clearly the Citizens of Maryland have had enough of the Sanctuary Policies promoted by Annapolis Politicians like Senator Ramirez and Governor O’Malley. This is the year we need to fight back.
The Ramirez Amnesty Bill will cost the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. Students from Maryland will be denied access to College Slots displaced by Illegal’s. Finally, they are here illegally and do not deserve taxpayer financed benefits. Let me caution everyone The General Assembly is controlled by a Governor and leaders who are Illegal Alien advocates. Annapolis is infested with “Lawmakers who support Lawbreakers”.
This dangerous proposal has a good chance of passing. The only way to kill this costly and reckless legislation is with a massive response by the “Super Citizens” of this State. It is gratifying to read the passion which average citizens display in there opinions on the Blog. We need to unite and organize these citizens into an effective fighting force to help defeat the “Ramirez Amnesty Bill” and promote the “Citizens Protection and Rights” agenda (CPR)
Contact my office patmcdee@comcast.net

So the "Tea Baggers" new name is "Super Citizens"?

They aren't "Average Citizens" on the "Blog". They are the Racists from Help Save Maryland that you emailed to send messages to this blog

Lived here for 48 yrs, and i know the true
face, of what used to be Merry - Land.
Now, we ARE just right coast California.
O 'malley is a effin traitor. The situation we have here, is confirmed as what I have know from some time. An undeclared,cultural WAR. ...We have
so.. many foreigners, and illegal aliens squatting here that actually have the gall... to claim this is their home and country, its beyond insane
Now, my tax dollars are supposed to elevate their kids, to our level of affluence? Thanks for nothing socialists traitors.

please conservatives, i am a liberal and do not supoport this idea. illegal is illlegal. you have a concensus here....it is wrong

Good! Take money away from hard working Americans and give it to the illegals! What a perfect plan!

OF COURSE We should support the education of ALL young people in America This is a country of immigrants. And it is the immigrants - no matter how they got to these shore - and many many Irish, Italians, and others got in the 'backdoor'- who have built this country, protected it in time of war, strived to make their new homeland a better place. Shame on all those so-called Americans who have no idea of the inscription on the Statue of Liberty, no idea of the ideology behind the founding of this great Country. Welcome the new immigrants, ask them only that they participate equally in paying taxes (yes, taxes) and voting to build a stronger union. We proudly support the efforts of new aliens to gain legal recognition and to be welcomed into our workforce. Shame on those who say otherwise.

Why does this little victor think a dream act for MD is what the citizens, yes legal citizens want? No pandering to illegals, no instate tuition.

Why are you all against in-state tuition for undocumented students? Afraid of having even more competition? As you all know Maryland does have bright students, and part of those students are Hispanic!

You all know that those who actually want to pursue college are the hard working students!The bright ones!The ones who actually deserve to be granted the merit of paying in-state tuition!

Solar, YOU are more than welcome to pay for these illegal aliens! Help yourself, leave my wallet out of it.

Again ... What part of illegal
do they not understand????

No Moron,

What part of repetitive nonsense don't YOU understand?

Hey Ray Barcia explain your comment please.
Why do illegals deserve any tuition breaks here in Maryland?
Unless illegals are paying their full load in taxes why should we the taxpayers of Maryland subsidize them?

@Screaming Queen- what's your point????

The person, Victor Ramirez needs to be, must be impeached with impunity and speed for the sake of the rest of us. These people do not even know the responsibilities of their elected positions!!!

ghostoftomjoad , How ironic you would refer to others as racist with a name like that. Also, I bet the people arguing that you should have to be an AMERICAN CITIZEN to attend a public institution at in-state rates would be just as angry if a white immigrant got in as if a Hispanic immigrant got in.
Welcome to the People's Republic of Maryland. It has been a long time coming, and it is getting closer every day/legislative session. Can't we work out a compromise where we give Washington D.C. Montgomery County, P.G. County, and Baltimore City?

I work with college students and I know many good deserving young people who were brought here by parents seeking a way out of a poverty and desperation for the their children. They didn't have a choice. They identify as American. (yes, they speak two languages in the spirit of many of the past waves of immigrants-and that's great!) Listen, they are part of the fabric of this country and do not do harm but want to participate in positive ways. I have seen the anguish they feel after working hard at school and then finding out they have to pay out of state tuition to get an education. Guess what! Their parents have been paying taxes -right into our Maryland State Treasury. guess what? Their parents have been cleaning our tables at restuarants, taking care of our kids in day care and landscaping our lawns. And guess what- they are human like you and deserve to survive and live on this planet despite the bad luck of being born in a place of poverty. And, we in this country reap the benefits from that poverty- (ie cheaper imported goods, cheap and accesible illegal drugs that apparently we crave without end, etc....)

@Dawn "Their parents have been cleaning our tables at restuarants, taking care of our kids in day care and landscaping our lawns."


Well THATS a great reason to SUBSIDIZE those here illegally?

If you awoke to find your house clean and your lawn mowed and your laundry done and folded and then found 4 ILLEGAL ALIENS living in your basement, would you allow them to stay since they did such a great job?

Victor Ramierez was born in El Salvador and it appears that is where his allegiance lies.
Go back there please Senator. You are a disgrace right along with a host of other Maryland Politicians. Find out more about CASA de Mayland folks:

www.helpsavemaryland.com

And this is the problem with electing hispanics, as far as I'm concerned. I have yet to see ONE who is concerned about what's good for AMERICA. All they're interested in is what's good for HISPANICS...whether it destroys America or not! I never felt this way before. It's what I SEE that formed my new opinion.

"I have been encouraged by the response to the Sun article regarding Senator Ramirez intention to introduce a “Dream Act Amnesty Bill” as noted in the article I will be introducing a package of 15 pieces of legislation designed to fight the Illegal Alien problem in Maryland including an Arizona style bill. Citizens and activists have been meeting for months preparing for this campaign in the 2011 General Assembly session. Clearly the Citizens of Maryland have had enough of the Sanctuary Policies promoted by Annapolis Politicians like Senator Ramirez and Governor O’Malley. This is the year we need to fight back.
The Ramirez Amnesty Bill will cost the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. Students from Maryland will be denied access to College Slots displaced by Illegal’s. Finally, they are here illegally and do not deserve taxpayer financed benefits. Let me caution everyone The General Assembly is controlled by a Governor and leaders who are Illegal Alien advocates. Annapolis is infested with “Lawmakers who support Lawbreakers”.
This dangerous proposal has a good chance of passing. The only way to kill this costly and reckless legislation is with a massive response by the “Super Citizens” of this State. It is gratifying to read the passion which average citizens display in there opinions on the Blog. We need to unite and organize these citizens into an effective fighting force to help defeat the “Ramirez Amnesty Bill” and promote the “Citizens Protection and Rights” agenda (CPR)
Contact my office" patmcdee@comcast.net

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Delegate McDonough! You are a true Patriot and I thank you!
I am with you all the way! Ramierez and his pro CASA de Maryland cohorts are traitors to our MD State Constitution and our US Constititution. THEY are the racists.
Kruschev said "America would be defeated from within" and it is HAPPENING NOW!Thank you for having the courage to fight for what is right!

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Immigration reform and amnesty should never be spoken of together. They are seperate issues. Most everyone is behind immigration reform. Speed up the lines for those who took the LEGAL route while STOPPING the line for all others. This includes stopping welfare and other benefits that even many US CITIZENS can't get. Almost nobody supports amnesty. Even with the press and people like O'Malley trying to shove this down our throats. All those so eager to give amnesty to lawbreakers should offer to take in several families and support them. Playing the RACE card in this argument shows the desperation.

Growing up in Montgomery County has taught me to welcome people from all over the world. Diversity is wonderful. However, if you want to live in America, please do it the right way. I know of many people who have gone through the process. Does it take a long time? Yes, it does. If you come to America for a better life then do it legally. Learn English. This will be the best gift you can give yourself and your loved one's. I work in healthcare and it is getting worse everyday. The illegal alien's are using stolen info. and milking the healthcare system dry. I am completely perplexed by Maryland resident's. We live in one of the most liberal states in America. This has been coming for years. Montgomery County is not only overrun with Hispanic illegal alien's but with Asian and Indian. It will not get better it is only going to get worse. Maryland has great jobs and topnotch school's. So do many other state's. I moved back to Maryland from 5 years in Arizona. People out west love the U.S.A. much more than people in Maryland. American flags are everywhere and the feeling of patriotism is apparent everywhere you go. I feel like the only patriot in Maryland sometimes. It's pathetic. Maryland needs to wake up and realize that illegal is illegal. Stop overlooking laws. Stop allowing certain people from getting in trouble. Fair is fair. This state is going down in flames. One of the wealthiest states in America that is now in a substantial amount of debt. It is the liberal's fault.Handout's don't work. If you constantly give to people, they won't work for anything. Show a man how to fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. We need to teach right from wrong. We need to punish those who commit illegal entry. How many times have you met an illegal alien who has been in America for many year's who can't speak English? This is sheer laziness as well as complete disregard. Wise up Maryland. This state will be overcome by crime and filth in the next ten years.

Hey if lazy americans would do jobs, like landscaping and washing dishes and other "non-value" jobs then companies wouldn't hire illegal immigrants. Fact of the matter is though, they do a great job for little money, so once Americans stop acting like they are better than everyone else and get off unemployment and start working dead ends jobs, illegal immigratns wont leave.

Hey Andrew - the only people who will work for those jobs ARE ILLEGALS becuase no one could live on the wages that are paid for the services that they provide. If those companies were not subsidized by State and Federal governments (us the tax payers) then those companies would be forced to pay a competitive wage for the work being performed. Thus making the wage for the LEGAL Resident better and improving their quality of life. That is the beauty of the FREE MARKET SYSTEM. Subsidizes only hurt us the taxpayer by making the TRUE COST of the good or service provided. You moron!!

I can't stand the people who call others "racist" and "bigots" for not wanting the Dream Act to go through. Get over it, American citizens as a majority don't want these illegals to gain the same benefits as citizens...calling someone a racist or bigot means your argument lacks reason and has no weight to it

I literally laughed out load when i saw his name was Victor Ramirez

Ella sez

Why be against those who are trying to get an education to better their lives. So what if they dont have a piece of paper. Be thankfull that they are trying to do better and dont want to be stuck at McDonalds like other americans who already have the opportunity to have better.
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But they do not belong here if they are not naturalized.

It means due process of law. Why should you or somebody else cut in line in front of naturalization applicants who have waited years?

And so what if I was born here? This is the only county I know. I bothered to study Spanish language, history, geography, and culture anyhow.

Every country on Earth defends its borders and enforces its laws, and many are not nice about it. Iran, North Korea, those are just two high-profile examples. Why shouldn't you expect the United States to do the same thing or at least many of us to expect us to do the same thing?

And don't get me started on whether or not we should even be admitting immigrants when we can't employ all of our own people. Many countries around the world give hiring preference to their own people*, sometimes openly. Why not in the United States in a time of recession? We could employ 2/3 of our people before the recession, I heard on WTOP. We need to hang "Not Hiring" signs on the border. (No Trabajos)

* Bear in mind that there isn't too much ethnic difference between legals and illegals. We have let lots of Latinos in, and the fertility rate for Latinos is more impressive than it is for whites and African-Americans. So this isn't a matter of keeping Latinos out, just illegals. We've got plenty of Latinos (legally) already and there is nothing we can do about it. Nauralization, to say nothing of birthright citizenship, is a promise. If anchor babies retroactively lost their citizenship, who's next? You or me?
But make no mistake, we need to add a parental citizenship clause in the 14th amendment. The 14th amendment served its purpose to give citizenship to freed American slaves.

Good point solar. Competition means we have a loser every time we have a winner.

When I got my job last September after 3 months of unemployment (losing an 11 year job), I said a short prayer for the unsuccessful candidate(s).

We don't need a system that piles on more people than we can hire. It is the dumbest thing I can imagine to exacerbate unemployment by allowing immigration to continue.

When these people say "immigrants are stealing jobs from citizens", this much is clear: the citizens may have spent their entire lives in this country, and without breaking the law to come here if they weren't born here.

Your students may have spent almost all their lives in America but they were dragged into committing a crime by their parents.

People who were never born, or properly naturalized, here, are not entitled to citizenship, and if Federal laws were enforced, they would be bussed to the border and dropped off. Forget about college.

It didn't seem fair to me either when those Americans went to Prague in 1992 to get better jobs. Didn't the Czechs and Slovaks deserve those jobs more than the Americans because it was their country, not ours?

I pray I never have to leave my own country. America, to find work. It would disgust me to take away from, say, Canadians, what they deserve more than me. Unless I become Canadian on principle. America is so entrenched in making money that government of the people, by the people, for the people is being eroded. Government now is in danger of serving just the wealthy.

If we can't enforce immigration law what makes us think we can enforce really tough laws like the draft if necessary? They sang songs about both immigration freedom (Crosby/Nash, Immigration Man) and draft freedom (Steppenwolf, Draft Resister) back in the 60s- the two seem to have a common social attitude against authority and repression.

Right now though if anyone says they can't see the line anyway it makes me want to scream.

DUMBEST THING YET FOR ARE ELECTED OFFICIAL TO DO.

This is complete INSANITY. I go to University of Maryland and my family has paid taxes for GENERATIONS. Just because a US CITIZEN is not ILLEGAL does not mean they are rich and can easily afford college any more than an Illegal Immigrant. These representatives are representing the voice of people who did not even elect them into office because obviously if they are illegal they cannot vote. UGHHHH!!&%*)(*&@!!!

We all illegal students came here not wanting to be here. But knowing we can have a better education and a better life we had to come. I am in high school and I have a rank of 17 out of 160 students in my grade. I deserve tuition for college after all my HARD work in school. Think about what would happen if MOST hispanics became legal. The country would have a BETTER economy because we work very hard and pay taxes too. What part of the constitution do you people don't understand? This is a FREE country, not a country that deports people for no reason. We get deported while we are WORKING. We are treated like rats and not like HUMANS. We are HUMANS and we deserve to be treated like it. Give us an opportunity to stay here and help this amazing country be better place to live and not let other countries have better economies. PLEASE let me, and many other illegal students go to college and make this country prosper. We are not invading "your' land. We are here to help you keep it clean, rich, and growing.

These children ARE here illegally, and they ARE here of their own choice since they are now old enough to leave of their own accord.

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Annie Linskey covers state politics and government for The Baltimore Sun. Previously, as a City Hall reporter, she wrote about the corruption trial of Mayor Sheila Dixon and kept a close eye on city spending. Originally from Connecticut, Annie has also lived in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, where she reported on war crimes tribunals and landmines. She lives in Canton.

John Fritze has covered politics and government at the local, state and federal levels for more than a decade and is now The Baltimore Sun’s Washington correspondent. He previously wrote about Congress for USA TODAY, where he led coverage of the health care overhaul debate and the 2010 election. A native of Albany, N.Y., he currently lives in Montgomery County.

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