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March 16, 2010

Hoyer: Dems "playing it straight" on health care bill

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer strongly defended a Democratic plan to have the House approve Senate health care legislation without actually voting on it.

Hoyer, at a news conference in his Capitol office on Tuesday, stopped short of saying that a final decision had been made to use a controversial procedure when the House takes up health care later this week.

He corrected himself at one point after he indicated that Democratic leaders have decided to use the arcane maneuver, which would spare the House a direct vote on the Senate measure. Instead, the Senate legislation--which many Democrats would rather not have to vote on--will be "deemed" to have been approved, and the House would vote instead on a more politically attractive measure that combined health care with popular education legislation.

"We are playing it straight," Hoyer insisted. He said American voters would not care what process Congress uses to enact a sweeping health care overhaul and would focus instead on the merits of the new law.

At the same time, he defended the use of the procedural sidestep, which House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday that she was considering employing. He cited statistics that, he said, showed that Republicans had used "deeming" process about twice as often as Democrats over the years.

Hoyer did not specify what period of time or what types of legislation were approved using the procedure.

Republicans have attacked the plan in both political and substantive terms, with some House Republicans raising questions about the legality of approving a major law in that way.

Hoyer, in turn, said Republicans were to blame for Democratic consideration of the procedural maneuver. He indicated that, if it was used, it would be because of the Republican strategy of trying to obstruct consideration of the health care legislation that President Barack Obama and Democrats in Congress have attempted to advance over the past year.

The southern Maryland congressman did not say when the legislation would reach a final vote in the House, now expected sometime later this week or over the weekend. He did say that the health care and education measures--which includes an expansion of the student loan program--were likely to be combined into a single package.

Hoyer acknowledged the strong support for the education measure but he stopped short of saying that combining the two pieces of legislation was mainly a political decision designed to make it easier to get the health care overhaul approved, as California Democratic Rep. George Miller, the Education committee chairman, has said. Hoyer traced the plans to merge the two measures back to last March.

The second-ranking Democrat in the House said he expects that "when we bring this bill to the House floor, we will have the votes for it."

Posted by Paul West at 12:29 PM | | Comments (24)
        

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playing it straight!! hilarious. this administration and the majority in congress haven't played it straight since the Chicago mob hit Washington, DC. i grew up in Chicago; it's just like old times! i hope we are able to put them all on their own extended unemployment compensation package come November 2010! ... and that's more than they deserve.

So the basic logic is because the Republicans screwed you over in the past we can screw you over now. What if I'm not a Republican or a Democrat? Basically he is saying I can screw you over today because Mary screwed you over 5 years ago. Nice.

Also, he says the Republicans are forcing the Dems to do this because they are blocking the legislation? That's their job to block legislation they disagree with until it's fixed. How does that make ANY sense. This is something my niece would say. I had to hit her because she wouldn't give me her doll.

Thank you for the information.

Rules are rules and the process is a legal maneuver. Either way, I hope they get it done.

Shady side-stepping of the democratic way of doing things. Very nice logic: "Since not enough of you agree with our bill, and keep insisting that we make some vital changes, we're going to pass it anyway without the standard vote." I know both sides have been guilty of this - and both sides are equally wrong and corrupt when they try to pull such tactics.

Someone please explain to me a few things.

President Obama keeps saying we need a up or down vote on healthcare. Yet it seems that the Democrates keep doing everything they can to keep that from happening, why is that?

I thought that our representatives in Washington were sent there to represent their districts. I can not find a single poll anywhere that shows the "American People" support this healthcare bill, yet the Dems keep saying (but not voting) that they are doing this for the "American People". How can they claim to represent the "American People" and then vote for something it is clear the majority of "American People" do not want?

Can a single Dem out there defend this whole aewful process based on the merits of the process? Basically can you do it without whining about how awful the "evil" Republicans are?

From the day President Obama took office until the day Scott Brown won the election (almost a year) the Dems had all the control they needed to get the healthcare bill based, without a single conservative member of the sentate or house. Yet they spent the whole time fighting ampong themselves and did not get the bills passed. How can this possbile be the fault of the Republicans (especially when you realize that they were not in a SINGLE meeting that was meant to shape this bill), which the dems keep saying?

How in the world can I trust the Dem lead gov't in the future when they have tried every trick, game and sometimes outright lies to get the healthcare bill passed? (Again please respond with out crying about that mean George Bush).

All these hustlers are going to get what is coming to them. If Democrats couldn't even win an election in Kennedy country, just think about the bloodbath that will ensue. Pat Kennedy said the "voters want blood." He was right on.

In November, the fiscal conservatives running against incumbents will look like one of MMA's greatest, BJ Penn, tasting victory when they lick the blood of their opponents off their face.

If this bill passes I hope all the incumbents get voted out. dont care if the Democrat or repulican. the majority of americans are against this bill and need to send a clear message. that this is not right. They need to rethink thir=er motives and stop interfeering in lives of the average american. Look at what happened to the late Ted Kennedy's seat. hope they are listening

The Slaughter Solution is plainly UN CONSTITUTIONAL! Hoyer knows it.
Art 1 Sec7 is very plain language.

If this is used it will set up the most basic of constitutional crisis. We will no longer be a republic, we will be a fascist dictatorship!

Just like Hugo Chavez and the rest of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America, Obama and his comrades are "playing America straight" into the hell of socialism/Marxism.

IMPEACH Obama and his comrades! They are trampling on our Constitution, destroying our health care, our economy, our future, and our country, and forcing socialism/Marxism on us through scams like Obamacare and cap and trade.

It has come that time they all need to be voted out in November. And hope the American people do not forget the real loser needs to go in 2012.

We deeming you do not represent us from Maryland. What a joke.

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER…VOTE THEM OUT!!!

If the average middle class American does not do what his boss wants, he gets fired. Since the Congress and Administration plan to ram a healthcare bill into law the American people do not want, they should be FIRED. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!! The Congress and Administration want to use a process that was never intended to be used for this purpose to ram this bill into law against the will of the American people. This sets a dangerous precedent that subverts our system of government. Anyone that votes in favor of this bill is the enemy of our system of government. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!! ABRAHAM LINCOLN said “and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth”. The American people are the boss not the Congress or Administration. It is time to take our government back from the arrogant members of Congress and Administration who think they know better how we should live our lives than we do. It is time to VOTE THEM OUT!!!

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER…VOTE THEM OUT!!!

If people in this country don't like how this is being done, guess what, CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE you dopes!!! Demand that Congress ban ALL uses of this process to pass through legislation, not just the one's you don't agree with. You only hear the Wacko Tea Party Republicans crying about the Process, you don't hear A WORD about stopping the Practice!!! And as far as all this Socialism Marxism nonsense, if this were truly happening Wall Street would be dead right now, no one would be buying into a political system that was moving away from Capitalism, God you people are such thoughtless sheep!?!?!

Tiny Cadon, the thoughtless sheep (sheeple, as they are called in Pravda), are those who don't understand the American decent into Marxism, which is happening "with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple..."

The Russians are gloating: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

The Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America are also gloating:
"Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama!" Chavez cheered on Venezuelan TV. He added that he and Cuba's Fidel Castro would now have to work harder just to keep up.
http://www.hacer.org/report/2009/06/us-obamas-red-chorus-investors-business.html

Fortunately, as we can see now, most Americans have NOT been dumbed down! Most Americans are NOT sheeple! Most Americans are ready to defend their FREEDOM and the freedom of their children and grandchildren from the abomination of Obama's criminal scams and socialism/Marxism.

Hoyer: Dems "playing it straight" on health care bill.

It's time to remove these individuals from office.

Our rights as citizens are being sold to the highest bidder. I advocate the PEACEFUL and CONSTITUTIONAL over through of this government. - NEXT ELECTION Mr. Hoyer and members of Congress, NEXT ELECTION –

I don’t like it when the leader of the “most powerful union in the US” stated that if the Democratic members of Congress do NOT vote FOR the health care bill the union will support the other candidate. I believe I am quoting him correctly. If in fact the statement is correct – if that doesn’t sound a little like blackmail I don’t know what is?

And where are the Baltimore Sun’s editorials condemning these practices. O! I forgot the liberal press? Are they really an arm of the Democratic Party? That’s right – I’m calling you out Baltimore Sun.

Think about it Citizens.

Hoyer is one of the biggest liars of all. No doubt, in his not too bright mind, he is doing what is right for the Obuma political machine and screw the Amercan people and our country. With over 70% percent of the American people opposed to this healthcare garbage, Hoyer, Cardin and Little Lu Lu Mikulski think tax paying Maryland workers should pay for illegal immigrants healthcare all over the USA. His biggest lie is not telling us how much our taxes are going to raise to pay for this. We are going to have to pay for Nebraska, Alabama and union workers as they will be getting this for free. Democracy at work, Hoyer style!!

Let's get it done!

Why is it a MAJORITY leader cannot convince his own party to vote on this bill? Because there is a majority of the American public who are NOT willing to fund it and their elected party officials are not willing to vote the bill in only to be personally voted out of office. Let the real MAJORITY be heard: the American people want a carefully considered health plan, not just a heavily padded bill that no one can understand, and that casts all our children's futures into doubt and debt. It is one thing to cast a single vote against these "players" ... but this voter will actively campaign for their defeat when they run next.

WAKE UP MARYLAND....VOTE THEM OUT ! HOYER IS A CLOWN !!!

Is Hoyer starting to lie like Obama. What Hoyer and the dems are doing is both unscrupulous as well as unconstitutional. This bill is about control over the American people and the American way of life. Hoyer and the other dems need a lesson in democracy.

Fascism folks, plain & simple. Like republicans get away with any of this for, like 30 seconds. This aeticle wouldn't be about covering steny's butt. It would be about the outrage, the poll numbers (boy whatever happened to polls. For 8 years, nothing but. And now, hmmm...), the "shredding of the constitution", the power grab through probably-illegal manuevers, etc. Isn't State-Run Media great!?!

I deem that the IRS owes me 1 million dollars. I also deem that i may commit any crime and not be responsible for it. I like this deeming stuff but now i must wake up and face the real world. VOTE on the bill and be done with it.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/03/18/qt#222766

I know us non-politicians cannot possibly understand how to get things done in our federal legislative program, but I believe this article showcases some worst-practices.

I love UMD, but no one needs a resolution recognizing their getting into the NCAA tournament. Any effort wasted on the effort is just that...wasted effort...effort that is better served attempting to tackle any number of other problems. And not only that, but some petty spat breaks out as a result. Shameful...and in the center is Rep. Hoyer.

Hey I have news for the EVIL that is the New LIBERAL SOCIAL COMMI NA*I Democratic Party. We will remember and we do care and if you pass both education and Health Care or HealthCare and Anything it will not matter because you will have committed HIGH TREASON against the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. WE will not forget and You will get what is comming to you and I will be on the forfront to demand every last one of your arrests and trail in a court of law on it. Others will vote you out of office. BUT MAKE SURE you BRAINWASHED IDIOTS get this. YOU ARE NO LONGER AMERICAN CITIZENS IF YOU VOTE OR ALLOW THIS TO BECOME LAW and WE WILL NEVER EVER FORGET>>>>>

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