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January 28, 2011

Hawaii lawmakers go ahead with prayer

Associated Press writer Mark Niesse reports:

A group of nine Hawaii senators held hands, bowed their heads and sought God's blessing this week, signaling that they'll still pray despite a vote last week to abandon official invocations.

Fears of court challenges compelled the state Senate to end prayers, making it the first legislative body in the nation to do so.

The informal prayer Wednesday took place in the Senate chamber before the daily lawmaking session, convened in such a way so as not to contradict the decision to remove invocations from Senate business.

"The message is that not all senators have eliminated prayer," said Democratic Sen. Will Espero, who organized the group. "We're well within the confines of the law."

The 25-member Senate changed its rules in a unanimous voice vote last Thursday to end prayers after the American Civil Liberties Union sent lawmakers a letter complaining that the invocations often referenced Jesus Christ, contravening the separation of church and state.

Senate leaders said they wanted to avoid the potential for breaking the law, but lawmakers who participated in the quiet prayer Wednesday said their faith has a place in their work.

"It's nice to start off the day with a prayer because we need all the help we can get," said Democratic Sen. Mike Gabbard.

The ACLU of Hawaii declined to comment Wednesday. The ACLU previously has said the Senate's action to remove prayers helps create an environment where everyone feels welcome regardless of spiritual beliefs.

Democratic Senate President Shan Tsutsui, who did not participate in the prayer session, said he condoned their independent movement to keep prayer alive.

"It's a matter of free speech," Tsutsui said. "We do encourage members, at their own will and desire, to go ahead and engage in prayer."

He said prayers could be held in the Senate in the future because the chamber's rules are silent on the issue following last week's vote.

The brief prayer asked God to bless senators' choices and sought guidance to do right for the people they represent, said participant Sen. Pohai Ryan, a Democrat.

"Government and faith should be separate. But just because I voted against it doesn't mean I'm not a spiritual person," Ryan said.

Posted by Matthew Hay Brown at 5:00 AM | | Comments (10)
        

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What everyone needs to do is to stand up to those who dont want prayers in government institutions. When I was in school, there used to be Christmas carols over the intercom. If a Muslim student doesnt like it, too bad. The parents of a Muslim student recently filed a suit over a teacher telling a Christmas story. What would the government of Iran do if someone protested a teacher there telling a Muslim story? Jail the protester? We have to bend for Muslims, but they dont bend for us, not here or there. In my high school days, there were essentially three races of people here. Native Americans, black Americans and white Americans. We were a lot better off. No one protested Christmas carols. Now, not only do we have to pay for everyone else who comes here, even illegally, we have to bow down to them in the name of our first Amendment. As Christians, we need to stand up for what God wants first and foremost, regardless of the constitution. It wasnt a problem before. It shouldnt be a problem now. What many Muslims want to see is the end of all Jews and Christians. When we bend in the name of rights we further this cause.

We know it's you Clay. If you want to post anonymously you'll have learn to use a different syntax and grammar. It's like how you can tell your family members from a distance just by their gait or the way they move their hands.

It's what the urban folk call "swagger."

So now see if you can guess who I am. It should be easy.

Anon why exactly do we need forced prayer in public institutions? As can be seen by the article those who wanted to pray were still able to pray without forcing it on everyone.

We don't live in Iran so why make such comparisons. What God wants is for us to choose him willingly not through mandated prayers.

In 1952, President Truman established one day a year as a National Day of Prayer. In 1988, President Reagan designated the first Thursday in May of each year as the National Day of Prayer. In June of 2007, candidate Barack Obama declared that the USA was "no longer a Christian nation." This year, President Obama cancelled the 21st annual National Day of Prayer ceremony at the White House under the ruse of "not wanting to offend anyone." But on September 25th 2009 a National Day of Prayer for the Muslim religion was held on Capitol Hill, beside the White House. There were over 50,000 Muslims in D.C. that day. I guess it doesnt matter if Christians are offended by this event. We obviously dont count as "anyone" anymore. The direction this country is headed should strike fear in the heart of every Christian, especially knowing that the Muslim religion believes that if Christians cannot be converted, they should be annihilated. This is not a rumor. Go to islamoncapitolhill.com. I received this today as an email to pass on. Are you sure you know who this is? If I were you I would spend more time being concerned about the direction of your country.

Anon (Clay) - If I was as stupid as you, I would select another name to hide behind too. The problem is religion in general being involved in government, not a struggle to see WHICH religion we should allow to dominate us in violation the the Separation Principle of the document you think is less important than your made-up god abomination.

Clay, what the President said was “We are no longer a Christian nation. We are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists."

He was making a simple statement of fact much as you would say that earlier you had the pts and pans in the dishwasher but now you have also the dishes and the flatware. Stop making mountains where molehills ought to be.

Anon you never answered my question. Why exactly do we need a National Day of Prayer. For Christians every day should be a day of prayer. That doesn’t mean forcing others to pray or have to be present for that. Besides your misstatement of what the President said the purpose of attendance at the Muslim day of prayer was about trying to show Muslims across the world that we are not at war with their religion. Only with those who engage in terror and murder. Maybe you should spend more time in prayer before you worry about things that are the paranoia of the conservative radical right. Leaving out the ridicule and ad hominem attacks, Littel is correct. Religion has no business being involved in government history has shown that mixing the two is never a good combination.

This just in... from the America Clay would prefer...

"The United States' blasphemy laws have come under intense scrutiny since the murder last month of a prominent politician who had campaigned to change them. They allow for the death penalty for anyone found guilty of insulting Christianity. Critics say they are often used to settle scores and unfairly target the country's non-Christian minorities.

No one has been put to death for blasphemy, and most times guilty verdicts are overturned on appeal. But there have been several documented cases of mobs killing people accused of blasphemy.

Critics have said the laws either need to be repealed or amended to stop them from being abused or applied frivolously. But the US's powerful clerical class have campaigned against any changes, and portrayed critics as being anti-Christian — a potent charge in this Christian-majority nation."

In my day we encouraged people to recant and confess thereby preventing the necessity of the unpleasantness of removing them from our midst.

Ahh.......the good old days.

Clay, here's something for you. Time to update your rant.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-04/politics/obama.prayer_1_national-prayer-breakfast-ethics-group-crew?_s=PM%3APOLITICS

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About Matthew Hay Brown
Matthew Hay Brown writes and blogs about faith and values in public and private life for The Baltimore Sun. A former Washington correspondent for the newspaper, he has long written about the intersection of religion and politics. He has reported from Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin America and the Middle East, traveling most recently to Syria and Jordan to write about the Iraqi refugee crisis.
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