The revelation of sanctimony is always sweet.

"We are an independent, non-denominational, Bible-believing church, embracing a charismatic style of worship." (From Living Word Christian Fellowship Church's website)

Does that sound like anyone familiar to us?

Threesomes, do as i say not as I do, hypocrites.

Independent, non denominational, bible believing churches are a lot less likely to have problems with homosexuality than other churches. Why? Because they are more likely to be obedient.

http://www.rockdalecitizen.com/newtonnews/headlines/Pastor_comes_out_to_church_105227769.html

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25568419/detail.html

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4817067

My guess Clay is that not many gay people join your cult for the same reason that African Americans don't join the KKK.

So threesome's are O.K. but loving couples are not. Did I get that right?

Clay besides the obvious that what you said lacks any basis in fact it's also rather sad that you are too blind to see how full of pride such pronouncements are as well.

This guy is a hot number. He probably wants all his troubled married congregants to cancel their Facebook accounts and get into bed with him so can have a Bacchanalian orgy in his own backyard. I tell you the religious are completely obsessed with all that is supposedly forbidden to them. His only sin is that he didn't film his four way encounters and turn them into potent power point presentations for his starved pastoral flock. Religion is so pitifully boring that it practically forces the constant straying of the religious into peppery unholy waters to purify themselves of their pretensions.
R Anon

"Religion is so pitifully boring" Why such an obsession with mocking something you claim to be boring? Like your buddy, or alter-ego Littel you seem incapable of posting anything other than ridiculing attacks. All it does is reveal how meaningless and empty a life you lead.

(Clay) Anonymous - You say to R Anon, "Why such an obsession with mocking something you claim to be boring? " and the answer is as plain as the zit on the end of your nose. This is a forum where the absurdities of religion can be addressed. It is public and seemingly unrestrained (gotta love that First Amendment) and you seemingly cannot shut down the dialogue. We are here because you are here and this is where we can fight you, because you can't stop it.

If you are suggesting by putting (Clay) in front of your response to anonymous that it may be me, it isnt me. Thanks.

Not at all Clay. The use of your name in parenthesis in front of Anonymous is an acknowledgement that despite his being far more intelligent than you, he is just as blindly delusional as you have proven to be. There is no way that I would confuse your childlike absolutist absurdities with his more polished but still feeble defense of the indefensible

Littel that doesn't explain why someone would waste so much time on something they find boring. I certainly don't want to interfere in anyone's right speak their mind or voice their opinions. I just wonder why someone would want to spend time on a subject they consider boring. Maybe you could answer the actual question instead of trying the strategy of diverting from the question in order to avoid answering. Since you responded to R Anon's question can I assume you are one in the same or simply two people living in the same delusional world where your logical views do not require logical arguements or evidence and definitions can be amended to suit your views?

The bible says that if you dont come to Christ as a child, you cant get there. The reason someone makes constant comments about something they find boring is because they are constantly angry. I had a friend once who complained about a middle aged lady at a store. Her said that he didnt want to be given a hard time because she "wasnt getting anything." He didnt see it as his problem to solve. You would be surprised how many people there are like that. It is called loneliness. God gives us work to do with people that helps us overcome it. Thanks.

If we (the rational segment of society) did not bother to challenge the absurd segment of society, then the absurd side will control society. Having exercised absurd control over society for so long, it is time (past time actually) for the rational side of society to supplant the absurd, especially now that the absurd side has the means to fulfill their world ending final prophesies, in a orgy of nuclear conflagration. The rational side of society has better plans for Humanity that will take us to the stars, but only if we leave our fetid gods to rot back on Earth.

So Clay, did you intervene with the woman who your friend said "wasn't getting anything?"

Good man.

Littel the only thing absurd is you holding out your own opinions as anything more than just that. Better plans like intolerance for those who don’t view things the same as you. Maybe you mean your idea of stamping out beliefs and philosophies which don’t conform. I think that’s been tried already in nations like the Soviet Union, China, Cuba and North Korea. I won’t even bother with your ignorance of most religions actual positions on the end of the world other than to say it would take people with the same tolerance level as yours to commit such acts.

(Clay) Anonymous - Continuing to repeat your mantra in an effort to silence me through shear boredom of having to address it over and over, will not work. Religion is rubbish, the lowest invention of man, with absolutely NO PROOF that a god, or gods, exist, or have ever existed.

Because of it negative influence, both in the hatred it inspires between the delusional sects/sub-cults, and the inflexibility it enforces on society when innovation and flexibility are most needed in these most complicated times, religion must be gotten rid of. It serves no useful purpose outside of being a crutch for the individual and a form of control of the masses for the people who wish to wield power. It is an archaic relic that has outlived its time and you are just a blind ignorant simpleton for wanting to continue it.

Nobody is trying to silence you Robert. Nobody is trying to prove the existence of God to you Robert. Your insistence on both says much about your own sense of self importance.

Dana - The fact that you cannot prove the existence of your god/gods to yourself, is the measure of the concept's vacuous nature. What you ignorant supplicants to absurdity do with it is what is of concern to the rest of us, and it seems that by your wants and desires, in service to these absurdities, is dooming Humanity to extinction. Religion is a wart on the butt of Humanity that we would be better off excising before it turns fatally cancerous.

Littel all I’m doing is pointing out the fact that what you say is your opinion and nothing else and like everyone else you are free to voice it. That entire post is nothing more than your opinion based on absolutely no facts. That is why you have to use ridicule and other fallacies. You are incapable of making a dispassionate logical argument. Your need to have stamped out beliefs different from your own say quite a bit about you. In truth they reflect the very hatred and inflexibility you accuse religion of having. What it demonstrates is the reality that those things are caused not by religion, but narrow minded people including atheists.

Who is “the rest of us” Bobbles?

So far it is only you and R-Anon.

You're welcome to attempt to prove that God doesn't exist if it's all that important to you. But so far all you have proven is the inability to craft a logical argument. Your childish rants and adolescent name calling have yet to make any points for your case.

But go ahead, knock yourself out.

Dana all Littel is doing is trying to divert the arguement away from my orginal question and subsequent comments since he has no logical rebuttal. What's rather funny is in the case of this thread it was he who chose to respond to me first. That is unless he and R Anon are the same person.

Littel I see your use of ridicule and personal attacks isn't just limited to me, but anyone who points outs flaws with your rants. How exactly is serving God dooming Humanity to extinction. As usual you were long on claims and empty on actual evidence to support them. Nothing new really since in your world the rules of logic are bent to suit your own beliefs.

I tell you one thing. Anyone who comes off like Mr Littel does here wont be getting anything from a woman, and that includes a lot more than sex.

You're right there Clay. Robert admitted last May that all the girls in college dumped him because he was an atheist and didn't want children. Or as I on that old thread, “Robert, you must be a really “great catch” if you have to tell women the truth about yourself in order to get them to break up with you."

He's an old man now and all he can catch is fish. Maybe. He claims he's a catch and release kind of a guy. Yeah, just like his college days!

Clay - Don't worry your little (emphasis on little) head about my sex life. I came of age in the middle 60s, at the same time the Pill hit the scene. As a soldier in the sexual revolution and not inhibited by quaint puritanical limitations (or vengeful gods holding the hammer of eternal retribution over my head), I gained experience that my current lady is most thankful for. I suspect you wouldn't get "lucky" in a cat house, with a stack of hundred dollar bills in your hand. I, on the other hand, have outlived two wives already and hope my current love and I die together at the pinnacle of passion, some glorious night in my late and her early eighties.

Well let me ask you then. Does your wife know what you post here and does she approve of it? Would she post something similiar? I would like to hear her say here that dont worry, you arent angry or unhappy about anything. Could she say that, after reading your posts? Also, the message of the free love etc of the 60's was essentially a lie from the devil. There is nothing wrong with being peaceful, but we cant go back to the garden. Adam and Eve were kicked out for being disobedient, and we have to take the bad along with the good. And remember, the tiny bit of time we spend here on earth is nothing compared to eternity in heaven or hell afterwards. God can help us with being grouchy and prepare us for what is to come. Thanks.

TMI, Mr Littel.

Clay - My lady is not my wife. We have reached an age where that distinction is no longer necessary for us. We are committed to each other and have taken legal steps to insure that when end of life decisions have to be made, that we will be doing that for each other, and as there is no longer a chance of having children, no pressure for us to go through the process again. She does not post on "faith" blogs and I do not post on scientific blogs (her field being physics). She does read my postings for entertainment and feels that the two of us ganging up on you would be most unfair considering your obvious handicaps, Her opinion of you is somewhat lower than my opinion of you.

As to the rest of your last rant, we both feel it is just more of your delusional rubbish.

It sounds unfortunate that she feels as angry as you about what people say here. You do say she agrees with what you say. It is also unfortunate that both of you try to intellectualize that many things. That is a way of attempting to stay far away from people. God isnt impressed with intelligence. He is more impressed by what is in the heart. When you stand before Him to be judged, He will be looking for your attempts to help people who may not be able to figure things out, not attempts to ridicule them.

Clay - Bite me, you dork.

I tend to agree Clay. “He will be looking for your attempts to help people.”

Of course that kind of tosses the whole “by faith alone” theory out the window.

No. He will be looking at our attempt to help people and also our faith in Him. When we have true faith, the works come. We never get to heaven on works alone. The bible does say that what we have done will be read back to us, so in that sense He will be concerned about what we have done for others. However, the faith must be there also. Without faith works are dead. Without works, we didnt really have the faith, unless someone accepts Christ on their death bed and for whatever reason didnt have time to do the works. Thanks.

The Bible says that “a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.” It doesn't say anything about people who “whatever reason didn't have time to do the works.” I think we all like the idea of a “deathbed conversion.” It satisfies something in us that longs for good outcomes to bad situations. But the likelihood that a person who has not been obedient to the ten commandments and who has not loved his neighbor will somehow change at the last moment is pretty unlikely. If he was a crummy excuse for a person in this life he'll likely be a crummy excuse for a soul in the next.

What is more likely is that God will see a man or woman whose heart is pure and whose actions have been righteous and offer him or a her a place at His table, should he be penitent.

Let's not put the cart in front of the horse Clay.

The Pope said in 2008 that “The two horizons are present in every liturgy that is celebrated and experienced in the Church which, by her nature, is opposed to any separation between worship and life, between faith and works, between prayer and charity for the brethren.”

In October in your criticism of Catholics you wrote “Why are people taught to approach God through their righteousness and good works when the bible says that we are truly saved by faith?”

Yet the Pope teaches that faith and works are both a part of our spiritual life and the bible says, not that we “are truly saved by faith,” but that faith without works is useless.

We are saved by faith with works that will of course come if we have the faith. Only God knows who to accept or not on a deathbed confession. Thanks.