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September 10, 2010

Jason Poling: I'm with stupid

The Rev. Jason Poling is Pastor of New Hope Community Church in Pikesville.

It’s been a tough year to be an evangelical pastor with a small congregation. The two best-known examples are Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, and Terry Jones of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida. The former is best known for protesting military funerals and running www.godhatesfags.com. The latter is known for a plan to burn copies of the Qur’an on Saturday to commemorate the 9/11 attacks.

Well down the list would be me. Like Westboro and Dove, New Hope is small and independent of a denomination. One difference would be that the only thing we burn is cigars when our guys get together to play poker.

There are plenty of other differences as well. But every time I turn on the news and hear about a small evangelical church that’s planning to burn copies of the Qur’an I realize that there just isn’t room for the reporters to describe it as “fringe,” or “cult-like” (see their “Discipleship Manual” at The Smoking Gun), or “nutty.” No, they have to call them something, so “small evangelical church” it is.

I’m getting a taste of what it’s like for many of my Muslim colleagues.

A couple of years back I asked a local Imam what he thought about the blasphemy laws in many majority-Muslim countries that prescribe the death penalty for those converting from Islam to another religion. He told me he thought it was outrageous. I referenced the passages in the Qur’an used to justify the practice, and asked why other imams would endorse it on that basis. “Because they’re idiots,” he said.

As I write this I see that Terry Jones has decided not to burn Qur’ans on Saturday. (If nothing else demonstrates the power of prayer …) I’m grateful that he has been persuaded to change course, even if that persuasion involved some deception. But I’m still horrified that he was planning to pull such an uncivilized and offensive stunt.

My Muslim colleagues get to explain the uncivilized and offensive responses to this foolishness that we've seen around the world this week. I get to explain that one of the downsides of Protestantism is that we don't have a Pope who can step in and make sure some rogue pastor doesn't do something really stupid. One of the downsides to American Protestantism is that in many cases the law can't step in either. This is one of those cases.

Posted by Matthew Hay Brown at 6:30 AM | | Comments (18)
        

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THE KORAN = MEIN KAMPF & THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO!!!!
BURN, BABY, BURN!!!!!!

i'm guessing krashkowalski has never read any of the writings he demands to be burned. our 1st amendment protects our bible--and if we want it to stay protected we'd better start protecting/respecting others rights.

k.....I HAVE LOOKED AT BOTH OF THEM!!!! HAVE YOU???!!! THEY WERE BOTH WRITTEN BY PSYCHOPATHIC LOSERS WHO CAUSED THE WORLD COLLOSAL DAMAGE & TROUBLE, AND THE KORAN IS NO DIFFERENT!!!!!

I wish Rev. Poling could explain why other Christians seem to think it's okay to do/say really hurtful things ... but just as I can't ask him to speak for another, we can't blame the Muslims building a community center in NYC or anywhere else in the world for the actions of a few.

Just hope he and his congregation don't face repercussions because another small Evangelical does something really dangerous and stupid.

Rev. Poling, what a dry, thoughtful commentary! and so well-written!
Keep chipping away at bigotry---we need more like you in this world.

Krashkowalski you didn't indicate you'd actually read the Quran. If you have then enlighten us what makes the Quran no different.

Maybe you weren't aware but the same Psychopathic loser who wrote Mein Kampf also advocated burning books he didn't like. Something to consider since you appear to be advocating the same.

Oh one last thing. Turn off the caps lock.

evangelical cigar smoking card playing preacher. yep.

I truly hope this hate mongerer keeps his work & does not burn these holy books. Displays of tolerance & respect will go so much further than acts which are meant to foment anger & animosity. Ever wonder why peaceful countries like Sweden & Finland don't get attacked by religious extremists? Don't religious fanatics "hate their freedoms" as well?

ANONYMOUS,9/10/2010, 12:19 PM..

I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT I HAVE LOOKED AT THE KORAN. IT IS FULL OF VIOLENCE & HATE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR YOURSELF.
GOOGLE "KORAN" AND MANY SITES WITH THE FULL TEXT OF THAT BOOK WILL BE PULLED UP. TO GIVE YOU A SAMPLE THEREFROM, IT CALLS FOR BOTH CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH TO BE CONVERTED TO ISLAM, OR ELSE!!!!!

Krashkowalski one could say the same thing about other holy books of other faiths as well. However, since you are making the claim why don't you simply provide the quotes and explain the context in which they are written. Simply saying it's there and Google it isn't proving your point.

Turn off the caps lock.

Thank you, Reverend Poling. There are those of us who have been reading our newspapers the last few days with increasing nausea and disbelief that there are segments of the population in which intellectual evolution has progressed no further than the views of Pastors Phelps and Jones since the Middle Ages (which seems to correspond with an inability to find and turn off the caps lock button.). We appreciate your reminder that there are people of faith who are thoughtful, good-hearted, and intelligent, and not merely lunatics.

Rev. Poling,
To G-D be the glory for people like you and my Imam.
Today, I attended Eid and Jummah service, he commented on this current matter.
He's take was, we as muslims should not be upset with Rev. Jones. As muslims, we should let christians deal with him and we should be holding accountable the so called muslims who are bringing all of this negative attention to a peaceful religion.
My Imam stated, we as muslims should have the courage to stand up to people who say they believe but actions say something else.
And we should as christians in the name of universal brotherhood to do the same.
So once again Rev. Poling,
G-D bless you for having the courage to hold your brothers in christ accountable.

@Rick Rodgerson:

Finland is not immune ...

http://www.topix.com/forum/fi/uusimaa/TRNIFNU1AK8A4IVNJ

... what happened in London and Madrid could certainly happen there.

Did y'all speak up when crucifixes and Bibles were burned and churches sacked in Gaza?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html?cat=9

Emporer Manuel II Palaiologos of Constantinople understood in 1391 what many refuse to grasp today:
“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

The violent behavior of those Muslims freaking out about some fringe group burning the copies of the Koran--not damaging mosques or killing nuns--just underscores what the emperor wrote.

At this point I don't know what to believe anymore. I'm getting tired of all this back and forth from Jones. One day he wants to burn the Quran, the next he doesn't, then he isn't sure. Make up your mind! We all know Terry Jones used to be the best Quran-burning Pastor in America... back in like 1996. But it's 2010 right now and Jones, while still burning Qurans at a high level well past his prime, is just a shell of his former greatness. The guy holds all the records and I think it's safe to say that unless a young prodigy comes out of nowhere those records are safe. At this point I feel like Jones is just burning Qurans for the publicity, the money, and to keep racking up stats and records.

No one is denying he had a good 2007, and his 2009 was unreal for someone his age, but to come back to Quran burning on such short notice after nearly 6 months rehabbing the tennis elbow he developed from throwing so many Qurans on a pyre in January is going to come back and haunt him. Folks, Terry Jones just isn't at 100% and I feel like he's going to hold his entire congregation back by making another unnecessary comeback. The Dove World Outreach Church has a lot on their plate, and I just feel like while Terry Jones is the most important pastor in their history, there are young up and coming pastors riding the bench right now that need to get some time behind the pulpit if they are going to develop and help this church in the future.

It's time for Terry Jones to step away from Quran burning, as hard as that may be for him. He has dedicated his entire life to burning Islamic holy texts and has accomplished more than any other Islamophobe will ever achieve. To put it simply: he needs to step away with dignity before it's too late. It would honestly be a shame if he sat around these next few days wasting his church's time as they try to move on, only to decide at the last second that he wants one last shot at glory a couple of hours before the first book gets set ablaze. Even if he does come back he's going to be rusty and I don't think the fans who have spent the last 18-20 years following his career want to watch him attempt to throw a book on the fire only to have it get intercepted by a New Orleans Saints defensive back while three of their D-linemen crush him and break his legs.

Ordinarily I don't contribute to the comments section of my posts, but I have to say that Wash O'Hanley is a genius.

As someone who believes that religious conceptualization is as natural to the human species as, well, Henry Higgins' "breathing out, and breathing in", I still can't help feeling that this whole episode should astound. Truly, only the most hidebound religionist would blame the majority of common- sense human beings for feeling that religion, and the coverage of religion, is the biggest foolishness. (And, my Lord, if Florida had never become a state this nation might be a paradise!)

Rev. Poling,

I love the title of your post. But you think you've got problems, think of of the reasonable people in the Catholic Church. For instance, according to blogger Michael Sean Winters the meeting of the new Bishops of the Catholic Church is being held at the House of Formation of the Legionaries of Christ. Talk about something that speaks volumes. That is a perverse choice worthy of Fred Phelps.

I think that there are bad examples of Christianity in all types of churches. The Crusade mentality still exists today.

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About Matthew Hay Brown
Matthew Hay Brown writes and blogs about faith and values in public and private life for The Baltimore Sun. A former Washington correspondent for the newspaper, he has long written about the intersection of religion and politics. He has reported from Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin America and the Middle East, traveling most recently to Syria and Jordan to write about the Iraqi refugee crisis.
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