How can Anderson say that the Kentucky case won't jeopardize other cases taking aim at Rome?

With McMurry tossing in the towel it leaves the Sixth Circuit's opinion as settled case law. This is a huge stumbling block for anyone to attempt to move. Anderson knows he can't budge it. But posturing before the press helps him secure more clients. As long as he's suing local churches and bringing in cash his David and Goliath act will pay off.

It's all about perception.

I think the psychological reason they keep going with these things is because people get so fed-up with the Church in one way or the other that they want to strike a blow for justice as they see it, the closer to the top the better. Bad idea, in my opinion. Let justice be done for victims in a more direct way, and it is unlikely to happen by getting lost in the labyrinth of international law pertaining to a tiny country in Europe. In general it is much better to just massively inform the public about the problems of the Church in a way that is not just about tilting at windmills. Church apologists are fond of saying that people don't understand the Church. I kind of agree, but I feel that when they really understand it, it will appear worse.

Still, when the Church continues with its nastiness in the form of detachment from history itself, it causes a psychological reaction. It makes people, perhaps like this lawyer, want to do something on a a grand historical scale to redress the grievance. If is happens I will be glued to my TV set and computer, no doubt. But I will know that it is ultimately caused more by the Church's attempts to rewrite history than any particular crime. To wit, apparently the extremely nasty and foolish Bishop Olmsted in Phoenix has been trying to do a special violence to history. These people hate the humaneness of the Enlightenment so much that they are performing the most unpredictable mental somersaults. The idea of rights for homosexuals is somehow bizarrely read back into Greek or Roman times! Do they really hate the very idea of "right" so much, coming from the 17th and 18th century that they are now willing to turn Western history itself on its head?? How anyone would trust them with the salvation of their souls when they cannot even get the basics of that which undergirds our very democracy intellectually correctly, is a mystery. Here is Olmsted's comment. It should make any decent, to say nothing of smart, person nauseous:

"We have great need to rediscover the good news of God’s plan for marriage; and we need to resist in the public square all efforts to label this plan as a “hang up” of the past. Labeling homosexual “marriage” as “a right” is not an enlightened idea of the 21st century. It is a novel form of a resurrected falsehood from more than 2000 years ago. It will not stand the test of time, just as it cannot withstand popular opinion now."

Go Anderson, go--perception is reality even for the pious LaRoccca. Ah Peter--thou art an angry man--LaRocca, who on these blogs, has called me angry and bitter hesitates to call you one--I wonder why, but when you seem to imply that grand gestures and pontifications from lawyers purporting to take on the Vatican would not be as effective as the church shooting itself in the foot and revealing itself to be far worse than anything that can be proved in a court of law-- Peter, that is a full throated condemnation of the church as a thug in hiding only the self same thug can unveil--if the church accepted gay relationships and gay marriage would that vindicate the church in your eyes? Is that the only hypocrisy this church is guilty of--none other? This church has hammered and yammered away at heterosexuals quite a bit--the bachelor boys of the Vatican have drunk from their opulent wine caskets and gluttonously gobbled up victuals from their groaning boards, and while snoring in their four post beds, the greatest art in the world looking down on their corpulent forms, they have dreamed up more and more devious regulations to throttle normal heterosexual relationships. Ask any Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist, the converters of the Catholic Church have been out and about, hypocrisies in their hearts, money jingling in their pockets, to bring people to the nonsense called "the one and only god"! And yet the only thing you fulminate about is what this church has done to homosexuals--come on man--this church is guilty of many sins--what it is doing to the gay and lesbian community is only a small part of its rank behavior--despicable yes the church's official stance about homosexuality but for a smart and articulate person you seem singularly focused. Why shouldn't Anderson soldier on--if he salivates over bringing the Vatican to justice, be it even a pipe dream, or an attempt to get clients, he will be setting a precedent by trying, and by not abandoning his project at its inception, like the roll over and play dead Kentucky Chicken Little--others may follow suit. Rome was not built in a day --ditto for legal confrontations with the Holy Can't See--from many defeats will follow courage and from that more clients, more cases and the disappearnce of the alligator infested moat around the Holy-Can't-See.
R Anon

Dear R Anon,

I know in our male-hating culture, having any vehemence, any drive at all that has not been pussy-whipped into tame blather, is an open target. But I really think you misunderstand my impetus here. I have about as much personal interest in Catholicism at this point as as Little Bo Peep had in the Big Bad Wolf. Seriously, I have a profound interest in Catholic history and culture but as to the religion itself. Zilch. Nada. But I do think understanding it helps. My agenda is not just to see them accept gay marriage, which probably has a snow ball's chance in hell with those people. My agenda which, as I have said before, is to do what all people with info on what the Church is really like should do --- to tell it. The Church got away with so much because people are afraid to tell the truth. I am not afraid. Their strategy is almost 99% denial, even at this point. That's all. But the world is complicated and hard for everyone, and the day it becomes a big drag, then a giant Fellini-esque crowd of characters (one thinks of the end of 8-1/2) will suddenly disappear from this blog. 'Cause this is not high up in my priorities.

Let us all not forget the famous words of a wise sage, who said, "Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers", which will ensure this problem does not go away any time soon.

Bobbie Littel - It's comments like this that make you a hateful bigot. A centrist as you claimed to be would have probably found a way to make a logical, rational criticism of the topic rather than the useless comment you just made.

This a serious isse which need serious discussion and debate not extremist petty insults.

Folks:

This is about children being raped, molested, sexually abused, a worldwide cover-up, lies, protecting predators and promoting and praising those who protect.

I pray Anderson will be successful. Jeff has done more to protect children than the Vatican.

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"Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers",

hahahahaha I swear I never hear that one, very funny!

Frank Dingle - I agree the issue is protecting children that's why your praising Anderson for doing more than the Vatican is a joke. Anderson is about lining his pockets with money.

How about you worry about kids and not attorneys.

Simple put: Anderson and fine attorneys like him have protected more children than the Vatican.

Grand Jury and Irish Government Reports show the Vatican first priority of money and power over truth, justice, children, etc. Nearly 2000 years of failure has shown the Vatican is great on words but short on action. This may be a world record for continuous failure.

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More simply put, the Holy See is a sovereign state and is immune to prosecution.

What Grand Jury are you referring to Frank? Please give me a link. I like to read court opinions like adolescents (and college nerds) like to read comic books.

Whatever opinion the Irish government may have expressed is really beside the point if we are talking about Mr. Anderson suing the Vatican. While some of our judges like to quote foreign law it is mostly an affectation, like teenage girls having chic gay boy sidekicks; it is mostly a fashion statement.

Dana,

Wow! --

"While some of our judges like to quote foreign law it is mostly an affectation, like teenage girls having chic gay boy sidekicks; it is mostly a fashion statement."

Peter

The latest advice from Teen Vogue:

"The must-have items for her fashionista classmates included a Proenza Schouler tie-dyed top, a shrunken military jacket, neon-bright chunky bracelets, and . . . a gay best friend."

Of course if it's fashionable for kids this season, trendy adults will be doing it by winter. So brush up on your most stereotypical gestures and phrases.

And prepare to be an accessory!

http://www.teenvogue.com/connect/blogs/soundoff/2010/07/gbf-gay-best-friend.html

Frank Dingle - Changing the subject to the Vatican doesn't make your arguement that "Anderson and fine attorneys like him have protected more children than the Vatican" Anderson has done nothing except profit from the situation. You also provided no link or support for your comment "Grand Jury and Irish Government Reports show the Vatican first priority of money and power over truth"

I want to believe you care about kids, but statements like this sound more like blind rage and vengence. Lawyers getting rich on litigation does nothing to protect kids. To say anything difference is completely irresonsible on your part. Nothinh I've seen from SNAP or you gives me any reason to take seriously the idea you are looking to protect anyone.

Dana: The Wall Street Journal posted an article today mentioning what St. Basil wrote about clerical abusers in the 4th century with reference 1950ish recommendation by Father Gerald Fitzgerald. The article is entitled: More Emphasis on Confessing Might Have Helped -- Some pedophile priests hid behind a shield of psychology. http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704366504575278792116707282.html
The ending comments made me reflect with interest on previous dialogue about pastoral care and Aquinas and Augustine regarding the Sacrament of Penance.

6 Grand Jury reports, plus other related stuff are at: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AtAGlance/reports.htm

Reports of Grand Juries and Attorneys General

1) New York NY - Westchester County Grand Jury Report, June 19, 2002
2) Rockville Centre NY - Suffolk County Grand Jury Report, February 10, 2003
3) Manchester NH - Attorney General’s Report with investigative archive, March 3, 2003
4) Boston MA - Reilly Report and Executive Summary, July 23, 2003
5) Portland ME - Attorney General’s Report, February 24, 2004. See also the attorney general's investigative materials released on May 27, 2005 and July 8, 2005.
6) Philadelphia PA - Grand Jury Report, September 15, 2005

Irish Ryan Report: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_to_Inquire_into_Child_Abuse

Irish Murphy Report: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy_Report or http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2009_11_26_Murphy_Report/

Also, as you know there are the 1966 Apostolic Delegate Letters to Bishop Walter W. Curtis, DD, regarding Father Laurence Brett recommendations from the Vatican?

Anonymous: The article we are discussing is titled: "Lawyers: Other suits against Vatican will continue".

I didn't change the subject by commenting that Anderson has done more to protect children than the Vatican. I think it is obvious to anyone who is paying attention.

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Frank Dingle you did from my orginal point that the lawyer you hold up as some sort of champion for the prevention of abuse is a fraud. Why is it when I see posts from you or SNAP they involve not prosecuting offenders, not discussing what needs to be done to prevent abuse, but dollar lawsuits. That is my point and so far I'w waiting on a explanation as to how lining lawyers pockets with fees from suits does anything to prevent abuse. Jeff Anderson has no interst in stopping abuse that would cut into his revenue stream. From what I can tell SNAP has no interest either since they probably receive large contributions from him. From what I can tell SNAP is more interested in punishing and getting moeny from lawyers then actually working to prevent abuse and in some cases actually perpetuating the false idea that nothing has been done. I'm not saying much more needs to be done, but I see nothing in your post or SNAP in general that does one thing to work towards effecting change.

Frank, I only looked at the last one which was the only one purporting to be a 'Grand Jury Report." It is digitally signed by a person who goes by the name of "Terry," no last name. And it reads like an Amicus Brief addressed TO the court, not an actual report BY the court.

Maybe you can provide a better copy with a web address that is not affiliated with SNAP, "bishopaccountability.org, or other anti-Catholic websites. At best I would like a report with a dot gov address or other indicator of impartiality.

What you have given me so far is rubbish.

Sorry Frank, I did not sign my last post.

Frank Dingle - Lawsuits don't protect kids they enrich lawyers and apparently SNAP as well. Like Dana I looked at one of your post and qucikly discovered it was on an anti-catholic site. As much as I want to believe you care about kids your actions don't come off that way. They come off sounding the SNAP propaganda.

Dana:

Philadelphia Grand Jury Report: http://www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/images/Grand_Jury_Report.pdf

Boston Grand Jury Report: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/reports/ReillyReport.pdf this is the official report. It is archived at the website since I believe it is no longer posted on Massachusetts Website.

Anonymous:

Yes, it is important to put these predators in jail. Our attempts have met with limited success even when convicted. I previously mentioned that Maskell and Brett were helped out of the Maryland with the alledged help of Church folks. Brett was even being employed as a ghost writer by the Paulist when the FBI searched his residence in the Caribbean. Merzbacker mess is going on as we speak. Toohey served less that a year of 5 years because it was too hard or some other excuse. Cote got 10 years of probation after years of pressing Montgomery County to bring charges. The police didn’t even interview him when the charges were originally made because it was inconvenient for Cote to come to the police station. So, he was transferred out of state and abuse again before the Civil Suit was brought forward.

Jeff Anderson daughter was abused by a former Catholic priest. I understand he was the first attorney who recommended to a client to turndown an over million dollar settlement because the church wanted a confidentiality agreement. When the client accepted his advice it started a trend which ended the church secretive settlements with survivors. Jeff work has even been positively remarked about on by the California Vatican attorney. This comment was made to allegations that Anderson wasn’t in it for the money. That attorney said he was in it to stop sex abuse and change the cultural or something like that. This is one of the times I do believe a church attorney.

The websites are pro children. They believe children are first like Jesus.

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Frank, the “philadelphiadistrictatorney.com” website is not the same as “phila.gov/districtattorney,” which is the official website of the Philadelphia government. The website that you provided is hosted in Herndon Virginia while the official site is hosted in, guess where, Philadelphia Pennsylvania. Similarly the host for the link you provide hosts 281,955 other sites, whereas the official website is hosted on a dedicated server.

Maybe you can explain that!

The first page of the site you has a link to the official site. But all other pages contain no content that covers any subject other than SNAP and bishopaccountability propaganda.

Neither the Philadelphia government site nor the Department of Justice seem to link to the site you provide.

Are you beginning to see a pattern Frank?

Frank Dingle limited success is the result of limited efforts. There is far more money to be made in civil suits that's why it is the focus. Unless you can prove Anderson either isn't collecting fees of the suits or show he is donating it to recovery of those abused (SNAP doesn't count) his motive is still profit or similar to SNAP's revenge. Nothing in anything I've seen you post or on any SNAP website deals with protecting kids from future abuse. Nothing discusses how to use the criminal justice system to bring the guilty or those aiding them to justice. Filing multi-million dollar lawsuits is not protecting children. It's using the misfortune of others to make a profit. I seem to recall Jesus saying love those who wrong you. Turn the other cheek. I don't recall reading anything about lawsuits for multimillions of dollars to line the pockets of lawyers or vengence seeking organizations.

Dana:

Please try: http://www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/pages/1/

The previous link looks just like the report that Charles Gallagher gave me. So I type in Charles Gallagher philadelphia grand jury report and Google gave:

Grand Jury Reports - Philadelphia District Attorney's Office... please contact Charles Gallagher at 215-686-8718 or Email charles.gallagher@phila.gov ... Philadelphia Grand Jury Report Released 9/21/2005 ...www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/pages/1/ - Cached

Charles has retired from Philadelphia but the last time we talked he was working in another Pennsylvania prosecutor’s office.

Hopefully, this helps clear up your concerns.

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Anonymous:

You call it vengeance and I call it following our Catholic Faiths Sacramental Tradition of Penance previously discussed on Divine Justice as defined by Aquinas, and Council of Trent 1551 and Augustine in City of God.

Regardless, we are dialoguing about children being raped and a world wide cover-up. I don’t understand how you say very appropriate things but have such distain for folks trying to force the church to appropriate action and responsible consequences for their actions.

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As i said Frank. That website is not a government site.

Dana:

All I can say is it appears to be the report Charlie and I reviewed together in February 2007. I may or may not have the copy.

Are you suggesting that it is not a true copy of the Grand Jury Report?

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If you type - charles.gallagher@phila.gov – you get a SNAP website, if you type in - "Charles Gallagher" SNAP reactionary – you get the bishopaccountability nonsense. It proves nothing.

On the other hand if you use advanced search and type in only - philadelphiadistrictattorney.com – in the box that says “Search within a site or domain” leaving everything else blank you get the truth that looks like this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=philadelphiadistrictattorney.com&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off

You will also note that none of the phila(dot)gov sites link to the site you have given:

http://www.alexa.com/site/linksin/philadelphiadistrictattorney.com

Also the government site has the official icon before the address. The address you give does not.

I'm not trying to be critical Frank. I'm just trying to do the appropriate due diligence, at least the amount I can do without paying for reports. In my real life I do a lot of research. That's what I do. It isn't personal. I just don't like to see people misled.

I am not saying it is not a true copy of the report. But what I can say is that it is not available from a (dot)gov website, that it links to a government website but no government website links to it in return, that it is hosted on a commercial server rather than on the government's dedicated server, and that every document on the website you have provided is an anti-catholic document. In other words it has no documents covering murder, theft, drugs, prostitution, or any of the other serious problems that an urban District Attorney's office would cover.

Dana: I bow to your expertise on legal research. However, I believe the website I offered presented an authentic copy.

These organization are pro children. They are responding to the Spirits call to protect our children and grand children and bring truth back in the church. The Church has labeled many pro children advocates like Gov. Frank Keating anti-catholic for speaking out about lack of truth, clergy sex abuse, cover-up, etc.

Recently I heard “The truth shall set us free: Responding to the sex abuse crisis” by Illinois Supreme Court Justice Anne M. Burke, who served on the National Review Board responding to the U.S. sex abuse scandal, lambasts those church officials who continue to betray the gospel by their untruthfulness in the clergy sex abuse scandals. Judge Burke's closing remark address the thread that keeps many in the church.

Here are some excerpts:

. . . Truthfulness, my friends, is the light that leads to the Lord. Personally, I believe I have nothing to fear from the truth as a Catholic, as a justice of the Illinois Supreme Court, or as a mom. St. Thomas Aquinas says it best: "All that is true, by whomsoever it has been said, has its origin in the Spirit."

. . . Let me be very clear: Truthfulness would have stopped the tragedy of sexual abuse by the clergy; truthfulness would have prevented the erosion of faith for many in the aftermath; truthfulness would have stabilized victims when they reported abuse; and truthfulness would have brought a fuller healing and dignity to those most hurting after going unheard or vilified for years. And truthfulness would have stopped the crisis brought on by the financial settlements that already have bankrupted some dioceses in our nation.

. . . To where, then, does discipleship lead? To faith and hope, of course. And ultimately it leads us to love and to justice, the practical exponent of love. It is the road that carries us home to God. "Charity begins at home," Charles Dickens used to say, "and justice begins next door."

It remains for Aquinas to help us, finally shape the question. "How can we live in harmony?" he asks. "First we need to know we are all madly in love with the same God."

Here is a link to a previous address: http://www.uscatholic.org/church/2010/03/truth-shall-set-us-free-responding-sex-abuse-crisis

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Frank Dingle - Because what you are doing is doing nothing more than making lawyers rich. Because is isn't uncovering anything and isn't doing anything help increase and improve steps already taken. Because it is a vendetta regardless of how much you choose to deny it or quote Augustine or other sources. Nowhere do I see anything about healing, about forgiveness and allowing God to deal with those who appear to have gotten away with abuse or covering it up. What I see is an organization in partnership with lawyers profiting from the situation and using that to inflict damage rather than change on the church.

You are not protecting kids, you are protecting profits for lawyers and dinations for your organization.

Anonymous: Your statement: “What I see is an organization in partnership with lawyers profiting from the situation and using that to inflict damage rather than change on the church.”

We agree. I think it is a crime the Vatican hired lawyers to protect predators, budgeted millions annually to keep clergy child sex abuse secret and protect predators, promoted or honored cover-uppers of the likes of Cardinal Law and abusers like Fr. Maceio. You must admit at least in Fr. Maciel the honors and papal recognition demonstration rewards for kickbacks that cause more clergy child abuse.

Thank God for dedicated child protectors like Jeff Anderson who broke their system of non disclosure settlements and help bring the recognition Catholic Clergy Sex Abuse to the world. The Vatican Government, or Religion or Church is an example of an institution that lost trust in God and was willing to abandon Truth and Justice to preserve their power and leave children in harms way. It is not my Faith, it is a corrupt institution. At least that is my opinion.

Anderson efforts have help expose the worldwide cover-up that now even Archbishops from various countries are starting to seek change. He is a modern day David and Goliath story.

Some bishops questioning clerical culture: http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/some-bishops-questioning-clerical-culture

Roots of scandal 'go deep and wide': http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/roots-scandal-go-deep-and-wide

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Frank Dingle - I never said the church was blameless. In truth I have disappointed by the actions of the Vatican. That said you presume motives for the actions you can not possibly know.

Calling someone who has made a fortune in fees suing the church a dedicated child protector is a joke and shows your real motive of punishment. The reason the church or any group spends money on lawyers is to protect itself from vultures like Anderson. Rationalize it anyway you like it's and angry vendetta devoid of forgiveness or concern for the well being of the victims. SNAP benefits from this by way of contributions from lawyers who are fed a steady stream of clients to keep the cash register ringing. Change started long before vultures like Anderson jumped into the feeding frenzy. It hasn’t occurred as quickly as it should and vultures like Anderson do nothing to speed up the process.

Anonymous: Your statement: “What I see is an organization in partnership with lawyers profiting from the situation and using that to inflict damage rather than change on the church.”

We agree. I think it is a crime the Vatican hired lawyers to protect predators, budgeted millions annually to keep clergy child sex abuse secret and protect predators, promoted or honored cover-uppers of the likes of Cardinal Law and abusers like Fr. Maceio. You must admit at least in Fr. Maciel the honors and papal recognition demonstration rewards for kickbacks that cause more clergy child abuse.

Thank God for dedicated child protectors like Jeff Anderson who broke their system of non disclosure settlements and help bring the recognition Catholic Clergy Sex Abuse to the world. The Vatican Government, or Religion or Church is an example of an institution that lost trust in God and was willing to abandon Truth and Justice to preserve their power and leave children in harms way. It is not my Faith, it is a corrupt institution. At least that is my opinion.

Anderson efforts have help expose the worldwide cover-up that now even Archbishops from various countries are starting to seek change. He is a modern day David and Goliath story.

Some bishops questioning clerical culture: http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/some-bishops-questioning-clerical-culture

Roots of scandal 'go deep and wide': http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/roots-scandal-go-deep-and-wide

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Anonymous: Again it looks like we agree to disagree. I believe “The truth shall set us free: Responding to the sex abuse crisis” by Illinois Supreme Court Justice Anne M. Burke as mentioned above. In addition with the fact that church has nearly a 2000 years of failure to correct the clergy sex abuse and cover-up, the Archbishops links mentioned earlier, Governor Frank Keating, 1000’s of U.S. survivors and 10,000 worldwide, Brett Apostolic Letters, Grand Jury Reports, Irish Government Reports, information coming out of Brazil, Africa, Australia, Europe, etc.

Also, I thank you for expressing your opinions which I love to believe. But, years of working with over 400 survivors is actual proof to me that your idealistic views are not realistic.

Peace

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You seem to be a really good guy Frank. We will likely continue to disagree on key points. I don't for a moment doubt your sincerity and I respect the enthusiasm you show for your cause.

Your well being remains in my prayers and our sibling relationship in the Communion of Saints is more important than our conflict in this brief journey.

Peace.

Frank Dingle - You are right I don;t think we will ever agree. Non-disclosure agreements are the result of lawyers looking for any avenue to sue. The reason for the civil suits is to get the settlement. Justice, pennance or any other noble idea has nothing to do with it. It's about inflicting pain because pain was inflicted and money. Your probelm is that you are too close to the problem to look at it objectievly or in a fogiving manner.

I do want to apologize for hinting that you do not care about kids. You do we just don't agree on the way to help them

Just looking over these responses the thought emerges: The Church apparently feels the right to make a huge mess of mistakes and then just move on. Damage done. Well, for myself I feel my ideal destiny in life was NOT to me messed with by several ex operere operato clerical fuck-ups. But I was. And the sad irony is that I am not amongst the worst hurt. But let me say again, I can well imagine a life in which I was not preyed upon by priestly faculty members. I wish that had been my life. But there is a mystery to Providence which we have to acknowledge. Is the the fact that they preyed on me and got away with it some salvific ex operere operato mystery of faith, or just the tawdry fact of a simple travail in the seminary. The latter. And again, I was not amongst the worst hurt. I have received no apology, and will not get one. The only way they deal with anything is by having their asses hauled into court. What I find amazing is that they feel they have some wisdom. They are not even decent human beings, much less holy. The one thing I would do if I saw these people in person is spit on the ground in their path. That would vividly convey my feelings about their integrity.