Score?

Presidential dignity: 1

Blowhard demagoguery: 0

What a shame that heart attack didn't finish that dumbass off.

If the president doesnt want to visit Rush Limbaugh he is dignified and if Rush didnt want him to visit then he is a demagog? It sounds like the recent protest at the Univ of Md because a black professor was let go. If any students protested because a white professor was let go in the name of political correctness they would be called brownshirts (Nazis). These protestors were just a grass roots organization, so nothing to be worried about.

KJ, the Bible says that we should love our enemies. Banish those evil thoughts from your mind now. Think how great it could be if we could get these two powerful men to unite and stop fighting.

Rocky Twyman

Mr Limbaugh seems to be a legend in his own mind; his followers seem to agree with him. There is something radically wrong with them also.

KJ, Lets hope you get finished off soon too.

Score:
Left-wing pig suckers: 0
Voice of Truth: 1

How's your mayor doing these days? Trying to keep up with Rangel and Waters and Jefferson, eh? Never worry. The pigs are there to help you. They can't be bothered to prosecute ACORN or those black terrorists next door at the polling place in Philadelphia. They'll be glad to suck you any time you want. But there is a day coming....

Clay,

You misunderstand. Mr Limbaugh was a blowhard demagogue LONG before his stay in the hospital.

Rush Limbaugh has so much more class and intelligence than the muslim president! Barry wouldn't know what to say without a teleprompter in the room! I'm very glad Rush is alright!

GOD, not allah, bless America!

Look at the right wing response to the last "teachable moment" where Obama took it upon himself to meet personally with Professor Gates and the Cambridge police, and you can see why there was nothing to gain from elevating Rush's political relevance by dignifying him with a Presidential visit.

And if "PAPM thinks that health of a person should transcend all the party infighting", they should pray for health care reform rather than some dopey crusade to pray down the cost of gasoline.

I think it would have been interesting if Obama had visited the Hindenburg like (as in fat Nazi gas-bag) Rush Limbaugh while he was in the Hospital. He could have made a cordial call, and then leaned in to whisper an innocent private message in Limbaugh's ear (recording it secretly) just to see how the bloviating pig would report the contents of that message to his audience of drooling idiots, once he got back on the air.

It would also have been cool if an Obama impersonator marched in with an appropriate looking entourage, turned tail and mooned the corpulent waste of pus and skin, with cell phones capturing every moment for posterity.

Bobbie Littel - The only difference between you and Limbaugh is where you sit on the political spectrum. As far as ability to discuss your position intelligent you are both at the same level. You both make highly inflammatory and inappropriate attacks on opponents. You both lack compassion and neither of you are anywhere near as intelligent as you believe yourselves to be.

rino - As a radical centrist, I take exception to your post. Rush Limbaugh has made a career out of hate and partisan pomposity, and any ill that may befall him, has been well earned. Too many have stood on the sidelines and taken his crap for twenty years, that we dish it back in kind is retribution, when his body revolts and kills him, that will be justice.

For all bloggers. I believe it would be a good idea to start ignoring Mr. Littel if you havent already. I dont see any good that is coming out of responding to him. This is regardless of how I may feel about Rush Limbaugh. Thanks.

Littel - It's the fact that you stoop to his level that demeans you. You'll get no argument out of me that Limbaugh has made career out of hate and partisan pomposity. I'm a moderate Republican who is embarrassed every time he speaks. However, stooping down to his level by wishing harm on him doesn’t make you look any better than him. Show you’re better than that and ignore him.

rino - One can no more ignore a wart on the tip of their nose, or a boil on their butt, than one can ignore the corpulent consumer of bakeries, the Hindenburg like spewer of distortions, and lies. I only wish for Mr. Limbaugh that which he so richly deserves and that when he gets it, it in some ways approximates the pain he has caused our society. I hope to someday personally pour a very expensive bottle of bourbon on his grave, of course it will have to be properly and ceremoniously filtered through my kidneys first.

Littel - Who are you to determine what anyone deserves to receive in life? No one takes the guy seriously anyway. What eludes you is that comments like those made make you the same as him. If that makes you happy fine. Myself I'd like to think I'm better than that. That I don't need to resort to trying to hurt those who have political views which differ from my own.

Rino, laugh once in a while--don't be a sanctimonious prick, man. Limbaugh is a bah humbug, who has rollicked all the way to the bank, because of his ditto heads--his strident noise is a pretense that has brought him the wealth that has kept him corpulent and landed him in a hospital clutching his chest in pain--the fact that the man will continue to live spewing his bloated political pieties, roiling the land is a misfortune--live and let live may be your policy but Limbaugh's is "live and torture those who don't subscribe to your views". Littel merely pays him back in kind--at least verbally--consider that a form of catharsis and let it be.
Ravensfan Anon

“sanctimonious prick “ I don’t think I’ve ever been called that one before. Save the advice for Littel and yourself. I’m not the one who needs to see someone suffer to feel some sense of satisfaction. Don't try and rationalize Limbaugh like behavior as anything more than what it is. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly people rationalize why its ok when they do something they criticize in others.

rino - If it is any consolation, I would have, if he had a grave, accorded Adolf Hitler the same symbolic gesture when I did Europe, and for pretty much the same reason.

Hey Robert,
It seems that Clay has turned propagandist against you--he is trying to marginalize you by asking other bloggers not to interact with you--how's that for Christian charity--forgiving thine enemies, turning the other cheek and so on philosophy--Clay, what happened-- you lost Jesus on the way to the "In Good Faith" forum?

Ah, Rino--you are endearing in your sanctimony--you have this great need to be better--I hope you maintain this "better" status for ever. As for the sentence, "No one cares what Limbaugh says, " I would rethink that one--plenty care--the man is considered the unelected king of the conservative movement--the tea party-ers drool over him--you live disassociated from other mortals in this "better" world of yours if you think Limbaugh has no clout--he is a rabble rouser and the only way to deal with him is to rabble rouse with equal gusto for the opposite camp. But in one way you may be right--the man is so corpulent he looks like all he needs is a pinprick and he will deflate with a horrendous hiss.
Ravensfan Anon

Anonymous - Don't patronize me just because I don't want to sink to the level of Limbaugh like you appear to desire. He is the king of the right wing fringe held up to be more by the left fringe who are preoccupied with making him the face of the GOP. It appears you are a proponent of two wrongs make a right and eye for an eye tactics. That's why nothing meaningful gets done in this nation now. There is too much noise from the empty vessels at the ends of the political spectrum.

rino - Don't even pretend that your trying to grab onto the rational and reasonable position in the political structure of the country. Anyone who stands as an advocate for seeking compromise is only defending the corporatist position. Compromise, much the way the unbending "Party of No" has been carrying it out, is no compromise at all. The Right is just playing "Rope a Dope" by using such tactics and we would be fools to fall for it. Your asking us to fall for it, while seemingly sacrificing the corpulent pus-bag Limbaugh, is just a cheap diversionary ploy in your corporate directed and very Karen Hughes like tactics, applied to a superstructure of corporate contrived games theory. You are here to sell a bill of goods to people too uninformed to see it for what it is, and make them happy to be screwed by you in the process. I was wondering when ravensfan's boss was going to show up to try to pull his butt out of the fire.

Littel – Well if I ever need an example of what the opposite of Limbaugh’s extremism looks like you just provided a great example. Let me get this straight anyone who tries to find ways to build bridges and seek common ground for the common good is defending what the corporatist position whatever that is. How exactly did your warped little mind arrive at that conclusion? You sound like one of those arrogant would be intellectuals who thinks you and you alone know what’s best for the country. Unless we submit to your unerring superior political views the country is doomed. You are a buffoon Littel. Somewhere some place someone sold you a bunch of crap and you shut down your brain and bought into it. You sound like someone who has never worked in the real world and has no clue how things actually work but sits back and tells everyone else how things should work. It’s arrogant, loud mouth imbeciles like you and Limbaugh making so much noise that the rest of us can’t think straight. You figure is you shout loud enough for long enough people won’t figure out how clueless you really are. I hold loose cannons like Limbaugh and you with equal contempt. You both represent the worse of each side of the political spectrum. I was wrong before. You aren’t stooping to his level you live at his level.

Ravensfan Anon - Clay is just trying to use one of the oldest tools that Christians use when they want to punish someone who challenges doctrine. Shunning is a tool they use against interlopers within the religion itself, and I suspect that in real life, most of society treats him in a manner resembling shunning. I know that If I saw someone like him coming down the street, my greatest desire would be to not even make eye contact with them. Clay is so whacked out that even other whacked out religionists criticise him.

rino - We all know what cooperating and finding common ground means when a Rightist utters those words. John Boehner (no way that's pronounce Bainer) and Mitch McConnell have made it evidently clear that the term is meaningless to doctrinaire Rightists working for corporate interests, within the government, and we know that that is exactly how you are using it. Compromise is not what you are looking for, it is just a propaganda tool being used to stall for enough time, keep enough of the electorate fooled and stupid, until your side can take back the executive branch of government and continue the rape of the country begun in the Bush regime, and to delay the implementation of any measures that might diminish the control that corporations have been able to amass.

When a bill sponsored by Republicans is signed onto by the president, the sponsors, en-mass, bail on the bill because passing it would cast the president in a better light. We know what they are doing, and we know it is also the program of the paid minions assigned to forums like this to silence, or if impossible, marginalized anyone making a credible argument. It is therefore, no surprise, that a character like you shows up out of the blue, once your underling has failed, to launch a character assassination attempt against someone who has gotten too close to the truth you are being paid to hide.

Littel – Like any good extremist you presume to know the thoughts and motives of those who don’t bow down to your superior views. You don’t even know if I support Boehner and McConnell, yet because I don’t buy into your deluded radical theories you ignorantly and arrogantly presume I do. You don’t know anything about me. Don’t talk about character assassinations you fired the first shot. All I did was give it back to you plus some extra. You don’t want yours attacked don’t attack mine or presume you know me or what I stand for. Don’t preach about not looking for compromise unless you are prepared to admit your early post on it was the misspoken on your part.

Do you honestly believe there are people paid to show up on blogs to silence people and hide the truth? I guess we can add paranoia to you other issues. As for the marginalizing again you started that Littel. Oh by the way you haven’t made any credible arguments to me yet so don’t cry about yours until you make one. All I did was try and point out how your post about Limbaugh really makes you no different. You attacked me based on a post not even directed to you. Don’t use “we” like you speak for some group. Unless you are the head of some liberal cause or group you speak as one single person and nothing more. Save the “we” chants for rallies. All that does is further show out of touch you are. The only way anything is going to get done is if we find areas we agree on and build from there and each side makes compromises. That requires the majority of us closer to the center to ignore the shouting from the obstructionist on the far right and far left. Maybe you’ll figure that out some day and become part of the solution and not part of the problem.

Oh and for the record Bush was a failure a President. The only reason he even got re-elected is because the Democrats decided to run a worse alternative. I have no desire to exchange meaningless personal attacks with you Littel. Maybe you aren’t the radical left wing nut job I think, but based on your posts I kind of doubt it.

God Rino,
From the center rain your blows on Littel's head. Are you sure you don't want to be an extremist? You're missing out on all the fun with this starchy, moderate attitude. You are going to bore yourself to death this way. I do enjoy your spunk and your righteous indignation though. I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone is a paid minion of anyone on these blogs. You clearly are not one--neither is Ravensfan--Clay may be--paid by God to be a witness.
Ravensfan Anon

Ravensfan Anon - rino isn't hear to argue for a particular point of view, he is here to create a perception that he represents the comfortable political middle ground and that those centrists who oppose what the Right wing are doing to the country are actually extreme leftists. The Right knows that they are going to be blown away in 2012 if they are unable to seize back the clueless so called "Independent voters", the fence sitting dolts who can't make a stand and are easily distracted by shiny objects. The only strategy that will work is to vilify the side that actually cares about the people and convince these generally disinterested voters back over to support the thieving corporatists, who only want to screw them to the wall.

As to trying to manipulate blogs like this, in major papers, there are Right-wing handbooks on how to do it and they have had training sessions to teach people how to dumb down the arguments, by attacking any credible voice that might gain a foothold. They have declared war against the American political system and now that they have captured the Supreme Court, they smell blood in the water and things are only going to get worse.

Anonymous - Sorry after rereading my post perhaps you are right I probably went after Littel bit too hard. I can't deny the extremist side is entertaining. My fear is if I start down that path that I'll end up sounding like a Beck or Limbaugh clone. Then I'd have to shoot myself.

Robert – What is really sad is you actually believe that pile of garbage. Is this what your reasonable logical scientific mind tells you? I seem to remember someone challenging me to prove God. Why don’t you prove your claims. Lets see that right wing handbook. Prove you own delusional dogma has real existence. After all you are making the positive assertion so the burden is on you to prove it right?

ravensfan - I am no longer interested in anything that flows from that leaking sieve you call a brain.

It would appear I was wrong. Littel is an even bigger left wing nut job than I originally thought. Littel you're so far left of center we ought to create a name "The Littel Left" for those few demented souls who think like you. Trust me you are few. You are to the left what pompous ignorant arrogant blind fools like Beck, Hannity & Limbaugh are to the right. The only good thing I can say is you and those like you counter balance the nut jobs on the right. You both make a lot of noise with false accusations and out right lies trying alternating between trying to out shout then playing the victim of the other side. It’s a wonder the country can even function given the amount of noise both sides make.

Anyone who demeans independent voters as clueless fence sitting dolts is nothing more than an arrogant wanna be intellectual who as I said thinks he and those who think like him are the only salvation for the nation. You are part of the problem not the solution. Right wing hand books? Give me a break you need to get some help because you are suffering from some serious paranoia. Can you back any of that dribble up with even the slightest bit of credible support? My guess is you can’t and won’t even try. I’m a fair person. Make an credible argument why I should buy into that persecutory delusion of yours. I’d really love to read it.

rino - As a defender of the status quo, that is entrenched, you have a vested interest to see to it that the sweet deal the Uber-Class has remains in force to continue the funneling of wealth to the top.

When dealing with a large segment of the voting public that calls themselves "Independent", it has to be admitted that they are in essence, fence sitters, who go from one side to the other everytime the wind changes direction. They are generally apolitical and would rather concentrate on more important matters like NASCAR, football, or "American Idol", than to try to understand the complexities of political reality. When it comes to politics, they are a block of disinterested voters, who will only make the hard choice when the other side has blown it totally, much the way Bush did during his first purloined term and the fear driven victory he obtained by appealing to basic insecurities of the great mass of American voters, in 2004. This group of voters made the jump to the more rational side of the spectrum in 2008 and actually voted for the side that means to help them, but only because the Right seemed to arrogantly cling to the policies that brought the Cheney puppeted Bush regime to its lowest point, along with the economy. They gave Obama a chance, but being impatient and not understanding the complex nature of the crisis, they immediately became vulnerable to manipulation by any side that could paint the attempt to fix the crisis as radical and lunatic leftist, all because they weren't able to wave a magic wand and make it all right again.

These "Independents" are ready to jump ship again, and for reasons that go beyond understanding, to embrace those who worked so hard to screw them to the wall in the fist place. And what have you promised them, NOTHING, they are just laying there to be picked up, because they did not have the stamina, or the focus, to stay on course long enough for Obama to fix things, even if he didn't have the party of "NO" doing their dead level best to make him fail.

What you are attempting, is to feign sympathy with this pliant and unsophisticated, short-sighted group of voters, making the side that calls for nothing to change, appear to be the voice of reason. It doesn't matter that to fix this mess, it will be necessary to tear down the structures that allowed our money managers to gut the system and even promise more of the same by insisting that simple market forces (the very things that caused the problem), are the best ideals to put their trust in, if we only free up their ability to run things even more. You know they are dolts and I know they are dolts, but you just want to use them. We, at least, are working in their best behalf, even if they are too clueless to understand it. We can hardly be expected to to jump up and down and pat them on the back everytime they jump the fence again, to be screwed again by you.

Little – How arrogant to presume that because one doesn’t subscribe to your paranoia and extreme liberal views you know anything about that person or what the stand for or against. That smacks of the same sort of stupidity that extremists like Limbaugh use. That makes you a hypocrite of the highest order. Your ignorant extremists views on independent voters only further proves what a left wing nut case you really are. You believe your views and yours only are the only possible solutions to problems and you attack and vilify anyone who offers any voice of reason from against your extremist ideas. Obama’s problem and any loss of support is from attempting to do too much to quick, his own party’s bickering and lack of direction from the President on critical issues like Health Care Reform. If the Democrats were united behind the President they should be able to pass his agenda and haven’t been able to do so. The biggest concern for many is the growing government overspending which Obama didn’t create but has only proceeded to make worse. Smoke and mirrors creative budgeting like the Senate reform didn’t help. In the end your logic smacks of totalitarianism. The knowledgeable select in government run everything for the good of society and protect us poor dumb citizens from ourselves. I find your views completely arrogant, completely ignorant and completely lacking any logic or compassion. Thankfully you represent a minority guaranteeing the most people like you will be is an annoyance for those interested in truly fixing the challenging problems we face.

rino - Nice lead, just what I would expect from an operative whose Party is being dragged to the ultra-lunatic fringe of the Right, by unleashing the forces of ignorance (the Tea Party idiots and their mindless empty headed head {Sarah Palin}) on the political field of battle. You have no choice, if you want to get a hold on the so called "Independents" but to paint the position of the middle as being evil anti-American "liberals". That the middle supports the idea of a one payer health plan, don't support the bigoted view of teabagger fundamentalists that gays shouldn't deserve equal protection, that agree that a woman's decision whether to have, or not have, children is between she and her doctor, is the driving force behind the your effort to paint those arrayed against your fanatic Right-wing propaganda machine, as being outside of the very realm of interests that support the goals and aspirations of the Middle-class you so much loathe, but need. You are lying to them and though some of them may buy into it, the ones who can't be fooled by the cheap shot at buying them low, will find their voice and manipulators (paid I suspect) like you will end up on the scrap heap where you belong.

Littel – You are so far out of touch with the middle it’s not even funny. That you even consider your extremist views in the middle frightening. It’s you not me insulting independent voters. You are the one who called them “fence sitters, who go from one side to the other every time the wind changes direction. They are generally apolitical and would rather concentrate on more important matters like NASCAR, football, or "American Idol", than to try to understand the complexities of political reality.” That presumes you understand the complexities of political reality which is an even bigger joke. Again you make assumptions about me based solely on the fact that I exposed you for what you are. You are living in fantasy land if you think the middle supports single payer health insurance. The truth is only those on the far far left that even talk about single payer. That you hold that out as middle of the road shows how blind or stupid you are. Gays do deserve equal protection and abortion while I believe morally wrong should be legal for those who don’t subscribe to the same views of morality. You also have the typical left wing view of all tea party supporters as radical right wing nut cases. That stands to reason being as far out on the left as you are. Yes some are out far on the right especially those who embrace Palin. However, some are closer to the middle and most far closer than you. I venture to say the tea party probably has more supporters than your single payer plan. I could just as easily accuse you of being a paid minion of the extreme left except I don’t suffer from the same raving paranoia that seems to emanate from you. Your lack of respect for the middle simply confirms what I said that you believe that you believe yourself and your ideas somehow superior and not requiring any explanation or support. It’s backwards logic like that which has been used to justify suppressing freedom in the name of the common good. That’s why it’s you and your idiotic left wing nonsense along with the equally inane idiocy of the extreme right that will end up where it belongs, in the garbage.

Ah Rino,
You are a terrific spokesperson for the middle--but Robert's comeback will be acerbic. What is emanating here is positively exhilarating Rino--the fulcrum, is a dangerous place to be man! It is always under pressure from the weight of the Right and the Left. But you know how to stay balanced in the air.
Ravensfan Anon