If we assume that the atheist is right and there is no afterlife, there are no consequences and death is the end. Therefore, the believer and the unbeliever looses nothing. But let's just say for argument sake that the believer is right and there is an after life and the terrible consequences are indeed real, the atheist has to suffer eternally. It's a gamble that every atheist better hope (and I’ll pray) that they win!

Poignant and thoughtful.

I am sorry, but dying is NOT hard for the atheist who knows and realizes that he is just going onto his next life on this planet (that he won't remember his old one, at least not consciously), and will have a chance to live an EVEN BETTER LIFE (if the other people don't mess up the world too bad) in his next life.

This atheist is not afraid of dying and does not believe it will be harder for me than for someone who believes in an afterlife. The electrical and chemical impulses that keep me alive will cease and I will cease. The end. It is for this reason that I need to do my best to live a good life here and now because there is nothing left.

If your god is so vain and vindictive that it has to condemn the person who does not worship it in a narrow proscribed manor, to the eternal fires of hell, then your god is a psychologically demented creature that is not worthy of any kind of respect.

Abresh - Atheists are not reincarnationists. When you die, when the electrical impulses in your brain cease, YOU NO LONGER EXIST, and wishing ain't gonna change that.

Robert the electrical impulses don't disappear. They transform. You can't destroy something, nor make something from nothing, in this realm.

The death of the brain releases the quantum information of your bounded existence in the brain, back into a higher, enfolded reality. Support for this can be found in quantum physics, the Bible, etc. There is a convergence going on between these disciplines.

God's ways are not ours, though we may seek him. If you wish to have no relationship with him, he loves you so much, and is so humble, he will grant that to you. Whose fault does that end up being?

I won't stick around to debate any of you athiests. Its pointless. But consider what I have said about science and how funny it is that some of it is starting to stray from reductionist dogma.

Consciousness is not produced inside the brain; it exists outside of it, we merely tap into it.

I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, though I've been pretty close before.

>>This atheist is not afraid of dying and does not believe it will be harder for me than for someone who believes in an afterlife. The electrical and chemical impulses that keep me alive will cease and I will cease. The end. It is for this reason that I need to do my best to live a good life here and now because there is nothing left.

Christ died to give people like you hope and real existence beyond this realm. Materialism is dogma. There is consciousness in matter.
You want to play God, in a way, by asserting your certainty of the death process. Not even athiests can say this with certainty.

Why not accept Christ instead of relying upon yourself which will ultimately fail. Its our nature.

f your god is so vain and vindictive that it has to condemn the person who does not worship it in a narrow proscribed manor, to the eternal fires of hell, then your god is a psychologically demented creature that is not worthy of any kind of respect.

Abresh - Atheists are not reincarnationists. When you die, when the electrical impulses in your brain cease, YOU NO LONGER EXIST, and wishing ain't gonna change that.

Posted by: Robert Littel | January 5, 2010 5:34 PM
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I'm not 'wishing' about anything. I personally have had flashes in my life where I have remembered things that could not have happened in my life and that I know little to nothing about, but when I research it, my 'memories' are spot on.

The only thing after death IS a 180 back into another body on this planet, and that is simply the truth.

Now, we cannot PROVE that (at least until we do a Dr. Who and have someone who is able to remember, in complete detail, their prior lives) but I am very sure that it is true.

Oh, and most of the atheists out there AGREE with me that death is NOT the end.... but that there is no heaven or hell and that you do NOT simply 'cease to exist'.

I know that from playing with a girl when I was a child who I found out had DIED nearly 20 years before I was born in West Virginia.... it was the girls father who told me "You were playing with the girl in that picture? Impossible.... she's been dead 20 years and more now!!"

I know what happen, so I know that there IS something after death (most likely a choice as to whether to be reincarnated or simply stay dead totally)... but no 'heaven', 'hell', etc.

Abresh - Many chemical imbalances in the brain exist that are as yet to be treated. I give as much credence to your delusional recollections as I do to any afflicted person that has skipped a dose of lithium, or two. You and Clay should form a support group and find a good psychiatrist.

Abresh plain and simple you are a nut case--your claim to fame by declaring yourself an Atheist while you dance the tango with reincarnation AND your hollow and infantile story about this little girl twenty years ago reek of a mind teetering on the precipice of credulity. You have convinced no one with this unsubstantiated legend of yours--you are no Atheist--you are an Atheist wannabe. Zoom--you've taken flight and reentered another body immediately after your demise. Such is the desperate hope of men. Robert, electrical impulses are not matter--it is matter that can neither be created nor be destroyed and accordingly we turn to ashes or to organic matter after cremation or burial and are returned to the Earth. Consciousness--all of it happens in the brain-- most physicists know that the Bible nuts have been misusing quantum physics to bolster their legends--that is because most bible nuts are not quantum physicists and they don't understand, even remotely, the equations or the intricacies of quantum physics. There is no quantum information to release into the higher enfolded reality--what is the higher enfolded reality? Great words pal, but meaningless jargon nevertheless. I suppose this quantum info is released as wisps of smoke? Or perhaps in microscopic capsules of hadrons and and quarks--up, down or charm quarks pal--what is it? And where did you learn that all the info we accumulate over a lifetime is actually in physical indestructible quantum particles that will escape into the infinitesimal unknown? Gosh, the world gets surreal all the time! The more we progress, the more we seem to regress. You are not sticking around to argue yur points because you don't know the science--only the very superficial aspects that the bible nuts seem to appropriate to advance their agenda.
Ravensfan Anon

I just think it's hilarious how these theists are praying for our(athiest) souls. LOL. Gimme a break. Why would I, or anyone of sound mind with the ability to reason and think for themselves, want to live this life, our only life as far as anyone can prove, in fear of punishment from some malevolent being who wants us to worship him/her/it? Only so when we die we have to worship his sorry a$$ for all eternity? No thanks. That sounds like the very definition of a hell to me. I'd rather enjoy this life to its fullest, free from fear and oppression. You theists keep on wasting your time praying and talking to your imaginary friends and I'll continue to enjoy the short time I have on this rock.

Why is it most atheist come off like loud, arrogant, selfish, conceited indviduals who can't simply make their case without the need for petty childish insults?

Fake Anonymous - If there was a possibility that you believers could be swayed by facts, influenced by logic, were capable of understanding why the religion your side is shoving at us is not wanted, then perhaps a fruitful dialogue could be established. As long as you insist that we are going to be consigned to some eternal anti-Disneyland if we don't bow to your absurdities, you will find us most dismissive and, because of the nebulous nature of your absolutist beliefs, generally disrespectful of them and those who spout them.

Anonymous,
You are an oversensitive soul. If you are the same Anonymous who has been cropping up at all and sundry times to disparage the Atheists, then your whine about Atheist insensitivity rings hollow. You are a big mouth and can pretty much decimate people when you want to and you do--if you are not that particular Anonymous you need to stiffen your upper lip--why is it that Atheists blah, blah--you are not a wilting rose are you?
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Robert Little – How would you know you never actually present any facts or logic? No one is shoving anything at you. You don’t want to believe don’t. Eventually we will both find the answer. If you don’t believe in those absurdities as you call them why get so worked up over them? Don’t give that same old crap about religions trying to bring about the end of the world. What bothers you is that we all won’t simply toss our beliefs in favor of your way of thinking. Sorry but like most of your fellow atheist you come off just as I described in my other post. All you did was confirm it.

Ravensfan Anon – Don’t mistake pointing out the obvious for being sensitive. The fact that Robert and you sound like loud, arrogant, selfish, conceited individuals doesn’t bother me. You are right about one thing I could decimate you and Robert if I had a mind to. It’s only my faith that holds me back from sinking down to the level you both reside on. I find it a little strange that someone who makes such an effort malign and mock Christianity whines about someone else disparaging atheists. It’s kind of strange but those whining and hollow comments you made seem to fit

Fake Anonymous - Ravensfan Anon and I disparage religion as an institution because of its unfounded basis, its negative influence on society, its tendency to hold back human advancement in favor of moribund ideology. Personally, religionists disparage themselves by their association with such infantile and unsupportable ideas like god concepts.

You on the other hand, cannot disparage Atheism as an institution, because its foundations are based on our not having all the answers and being unafraid to admit it. You, therefore, have no choice but to attack us as individuals, because we will not do the one thing that religion requires, and that is to keep our mouths shut while you persist to spread your absurdities. You are a fraud, perpetrating a fraud and defending your actions in a totally fraudulent manor and the sad thing is that you are not aware that that is what you are doing. You have achieved the delusional state and are pathetically willing to stay there. We respectfully decline the invitation to join your hallucination .

Robert – I can disparage atheism as an institution. From what I have seen all it does is tell people forget things like compassion, humility, love your neighbor and replaces them with contempt, arrogance, and hatred. The only question is what is good about it? It has no foundations except the ones fools like you make up. You take God out because you consider him a delusion and replace him with yourself. You try and rationalize it with assorted fallacies and looking only at the wrongs done by those claiming to be religious. Atheism is like letting a 5 year old run the house. Do what you want when you want and don’t think about anyone but yourself. It’s not progress except to a selfish and warped mind. You have no clue about religion. Religious people don’t have all the answers either and most admit that. It’s only propaganda like the bilge you swallowed that says otherwise. It’s the supreme rationalization from the narcissistic religion atheism.

You complaining about being attacked as an individual rings hollow to borrow from your friend Ravensfan Anon. No one does more attacking than the two of you so to now try and play the role of martyr is hypocrisy. You never addressed my point which isn’t surprising. The only state I’ve achieved is amazement than one person could have deluded himself as much as you to actually think he’s superior to anyone else simply because he chose a different path in life. That’s arrogance and ignorance taken to a new level. If that’s indicative of atheism then little good can be said for it.

Fake Anonymous - All Atheism says is "We don't know yet, and neither do you." . That just galls the hell out of you absolutist fools. What really gets your shorts in a bunch is that we operate primarily as individuals, have no institutions, no dogma, no doctrinaire rules, and only the same precepts used in scientific inquiry, yet we represent such a threat to your Potemkin little mentality, that you feel a need to lash out to silence us. That's what happens when you have a reality based in fairy-tale rubbish and then demand to be taken seriously by the real world. You are just playing a delaying action against the day the majority wakes up and says, "How could we have been so gullible for so long?". Religion will eventually go the way of magic, sprites and elves and you can continue to tilt at windmills as long as you think it has a chance, but reason will out in the end.

Robert Littel – Why would not knowing gall anyone. My faith has never claimed to have all the answers. You are either ignorant about it or simply deluding yourself in order to convince yourself that your self centered, selfish, arrogant, conceited atheist garbage is the one true faith. You really are a fool aren’t you? Atheists do have institutions and dogma. And you call believers delusional what a laugh. Listening to you rant is like listening to a fool calling a scholar dumb. Why do you insist on accusing believers what you and your atheist groups try so hard to do, silence us and force your mind numbing nonsense on the rest of us. I loved the last part truly the work of someone who is so far out of touch reality its funny. Are you getting this from some source or making it up as you go? Think whatever makes you happy Mr. Little because you are in store for quite a rude awakening in the future.

I have to ask this. How can someone be a fake anonymous? Anonymous isn’t a name or an id it’s the lack of one. Is that a sample of that superior atheist intellect?

Fake Anonymous - My name for you is used to differentiate you from the original Anonymous (Ravensfans Anonymous), who at least has made an effort to differentiate himself from others, is a step I had to take because you are either to stupid, or lazy to pick a suitable moniker. It would be nice to know if one is dealing with the same ignorant troll each time they post. In all honesty, I think you are just ravensfan, whose most used tactic (muddying the water), is damn similar to your modus operandi. I find that his posts being missing in this thread is unusual, as he, like you, has a tendency to jump the second I post. Also, I don't recall ever seeing the two of you posting in any thread together. If you are using two monikers here, then it is just one more example of how dishonest you actually are and the moderator of this blog should point it out for us and see that it cannot be done again.

Like ravensfan (curiously), you seem to have nothing left but an out and out condemnation and a string of lies to try to paint me the villain, in your seemingly never ending battle to shut down anyone with the temerity to question accepted dogma. I'm sure, from a technical perspective, your "faith" is willing to admit they don't have "all the answers" to everything, but the answers your faith does claim to have, are absolute and more along the line of being certain that the core of the Sun has a chewy chocolate center.

As to the future, I have no doubt that if our Taliban type Christians gain power, Atheists will be their first target when they again make heresy and blasphemy a crime, punishable by their old and preferred method, execution in a painful manner. You put absolutism, political power and a heavily armed cadre of illiterate fools (teabaggers and the NRA), and there will be a bloodbath and out of necessity, a resulting counter-bloodbath. Religion, if it wishes to remain accepted at all in society, is going to have to be real careful whom they try to oppress, because we are not the timid creatures your religions led to the fires and torture racks for hundreds of years. We will fight back if oppressed.

And Bravo Robert--Bravo. Imagine Ravensfan and Anonymous--one and the same--or perhaps dichotomous like the godshead--one part Satan and one part god--Ravensfan being god and Anonymous being Satan--leading the Atheists to the lamb rack to roast them over a spit fire for a happy dinner. Ravensfan is so desperate to defeat you that he appears as the abrasive Anonymous in these blogs to take you on in another persona? Wow! The man has gone berserk--you are driving him out of his godly mind Robert. He may carry you off to the lamb rack faster than you can spit --you better suit up in the best armor you have. With Anonymous at the head of the religious soldiers, religion is already assuming the proportion of magic--voila--appears Ravensfan to defend his myths and deities--voila--appears Anonymous to regurgitate his vitriol-- multiple personality disorder as engendered by religion-- the myth is turning to monster.
Ravensfan Anon

Robert Littel – I didn’t realize Ravensfans Anonymous was the original anonymous poster. So no one before him ever posted with no id? Are you sure of that or taking it on faith? Call me what ever you like. It makes no difference to me. It might to ravensfan, but since I view you and your views as a joke it is of no consequence. Actually there is really little difference in what believers and atheist don’t know. They only real difference is who not how. We believe there is a who responsible, God. Atheist believe there was no who responsible. Other than that there isn’t any difference although I’m sure you will enlighten me at sometime with why you think it’s more than that. Since you are largely ignorant in matters of faith your views on what it believes is sort of like listening to an auto mechanic try and discuss economics.

You did try and paint yourself as the victim which is rather funny given the numerous times and people you have insulted, maligned and called unworthy of respect. You are too foolish to realize every time you say those things it diminishes you not them or me. Maybe someday you will explain how questioning the rantings and manners of someone constitutes trying to shut them down. I'd love to hear that some day. I'm not holding my breath for it.

Ravensfan Anon – It’s not surprising that you’d stick up for your buddy Robert. After all he just proclaimed the title or original anonymous on you. I didn’t think it possible, but you actually said less than Littel and still managed to out do him at personal attacks. Well I’ll say this the two of you may inept an making logical arguments, but you both excel at name calling and insults. You both sound like angry little kids trying to argue with a parent and resort to throwing tantrums and venting anger. You both are perfect example of why atheism is completely useless.

Ravensfan Anon - They (he) does not represent two sides of the same coin, they (he) represents the same side of a coin they hope to spend, that has already been demonetized.