The true sign that you are an evolved Human being, is when you have achieved high ethical standards, without having some make-believe deity standing behind you with the eternal retribution hammer hanging over your head. This ability may in and of itself, become the demarcation point at which Humanity enters a new phase of development, that may usher in a whole new species, relegating most of those now in existence as being classified as Proto-Human.

Christians are bombarded with non religious messages at every turn- on tv, from Hollywood, on the web, etc. The sign of a true Christian is when you trust God to take care of things and dont insist on erecting any billboards.

Robert - a true evolved human being with high ethical standards wouldn't need to resort to insults and personal attacks on those who don't share his opinion, yes your views on God are an opinion not fact. I guess you haven't crossed over from Proto-Human status yourself.

I will pray for you!

I find it interesting - If they don't believe in or respect God, why do they Capitalize His Name?

Interesting Robert. What are your ethics based on if not God? Collective social norms? It was "acceptable" to kill Jews in WWII but no one would say that was ethical? Perhaps personal views? What if murder is okay for me? Can I ethically kill without consequence? Surely not! I'm afraid left to ourselves we are sinful by nature and prone to evil rather than some euphoric state of new species.

What's ironic is the people who find this sign offensive are the same people who find self-validation from a Biblical morality that:

1. Condones slavery,
2. elevates men above women,
3. condones (nay, requires) racial, cultural, and social discrimination,
4. condones vigilante murder as the appropriate way to deal with certain types of "sinner",
5. asserts that God loves us, but if we don't acknowledge him he will sentence us to an eternity of pain and suffering,

...among other wonderful things.

Despite many claims to the contrary, religious believers hold no title to moral superiority.

@Daniel Cole:

Religious morality is a crutch for people like you who obviously have a tenuous grasp on right and wrong.

If it takes belief in an imaginary diety to keep people like you from rampaging "morality free" in the streets, then so be it. Cheaper than Lithium and Prozac, in any case.

@Robert Littel:

While I share your sentiment that rising above religion as a basis for personal and social morality is an admirable cause, you're not exactly elevating the discussion by declaring everyone who doesn't is less than human.

Sounds like you've got a ways to go on achieving your own measure of enlightenment.

Dont believe that the bible condones slavery because people had servants in ancient times, etc. That is satan's message to blacks not to obey God. Dont fall for it. It does say that men are to run things, not both sexes, because it encourages people to obey God. It has never said that murder is correct, even though people were stoned in the old testament. If God told Israel to stone a disobedient brother that isnt murder. God loves us all equally and encourages us to do the same, and yes, He does promise us eternal damnation if we dont accept Him. The worst sin is when someone doesnt accept that.

I think that the point where Humanity turns away from delusionalism and superstition should merit a distinction that shows a clear demarcation from our fore-bearers. When measuring our development as a species, the point where we become fully rational and start dealing with our complicated world at a higher level than the bury your head in the sand delusion of religious belief, then it should be considered a break from a less evolved past. I realize that most of Humanity is heavily invested in the ridiculousness of religion, so any suggestion that they might be wrong, will result in a backlash, but what entrenched idiocy has ever given up without a fight.

This billboard will not fill the void you have - if you're feeling alone it is because you haven't accepted God. God loves you and wants a personal relationship with you through His son Jesus Christ. All you need to do is ask with an open heart. Blessings to you.

@Clay:

"Dont believe that the bible condones slavery because people had servants in ancient times, etc. That is satan's message to blacks not to obey God."

Leviticus 25:44-46 "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."

In other words, God is telling the Israelites to make slaves of the Gentiles. How that equates to the religious belief of blacks eludes me.

Oh, and slaves were to be circumsized (just thought that was worth pointing out as another element of Biblical morality):

Genesis 17:13 "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant."

If God told Israel to stone a disobedient brother that isnt murder.

Interesting. So, killing is OK to you, so long as it's in the name of God? That puts you in the company of the kinds of people who worship those who fly planes into buildings.

Shame on you.

Raven530 said:
"If God told Israel to stone a disobedient brother that isnt murder."

If you heard a voice you believed was god tell you to kill your family members or friends or perhaps assassinate someone in a position of power, would you do so? Would that be murder?

What if this voice told you to strangle an infant to death while raping it's mother...would that be murder? Would you consider such an action immoral? Why?

Robert - Ravens530 is correct in his assessment about your level of enlightenment. It’s the fact that you view anyone who doesn't share your view on God's existence as somehow of inferior that shows you are in need of some social evolution yourself. I don’t recall you ever suggesting anything. Mocking people as somehow inferior and there ideas not worth considering is only going to generate backlash. Frankly you or no other atheist has ever been able to show why my life or the world in general would be better off if I adopted your views.

looks like common sense, logic and reason are finding their way back into humanity. Love it! Us atheists will continue to evolve and change the world for the better while you theists sit with your hands clasped in prayer, chanting your mantras, practicing your bigotry, hiding/relocating your child molesting clergy, and talking to your imaginary friends.
I mean if a grown man wearing a dress and a funny little hat came up to you and told you that he practices celibacy and talks to his imaginary friend that is in control of everything and everyone, and it is absolutely true because it was written in a three thousand year old book, wouldn't you think he was out of his mind?

lol.

Athiests say that that Christians think that they are better than others...... but clearly Athiests think that they are better than people with religion. Just as bad. Statements like "religion is a crutch" make this obvious.

ravensfan - Not once, in the entire history of Humanity, has there ever been even the slightest proof that a god, or gods, exists, or has EVER existed. It is not hard to feel a certain level of intellectual superiority to anyone, or any group that can subscribe to so much based on absolutely nothing that is real. It is not my fault that you are so intellectually weak that you have to invent god creatures to make up for the fact that your infantile reasoning powers and monumental ego demand answers you have not earned. Instead of your catch-all god answer, try uttering these words instead, "I DON'T KNOW....YET"., and then go in search of answers that are real.

All religions have their absurdities- none of the believers can get that their 'book' (this is all it is) was written entirely by mere humans who wanted to convey their ideas for their own aspirations. If Christians believe in Jesus then why not believe in Muhammad as well? Are they saying that muslims are lying about God talking through Muhammad? All religions made up their stories- NOTHING WAS EVER WRITTEN BY GOD- if God is all so powerful why couldn't he pick up a pen and write : ) and it's time for all those blind ones to wake up and realized it.

Robert- Once again you prove my point. You can’t make your argument. We could go down the road on the proof argument again but it’s a waste of time with someone who can’t make an intelligent argument for his position. In the end you aren’t even superior to Clay if you were you wouldn’t need to constantly talk about your own superiority. There are plenty of things I don’t know yet. One real thing I do know is you are on the fast track to nowhere. If the path you were on was enlightening you’d be able to convince others. You can’t so you resort to what any kid does when they can’t win you use petty insults to try and make yourself feel superior. You end up sounding like a kid trying to argue with a parent. If I didn’t feel sorry for your blind arrogance I’d find your ignorance comical at best.

This is the most innocent billboard I have ever seen. How anyone could be offended by that is beyond me.

I drive by a billboard every day that reads: Pray for America and repent your sins!

Now that is a little offensive, calling me and my infant daughters, sinners. But I choose not to be offended, because it does not apply to me. It's meant for Christians which dig that kind of guilt-trip. I myself, have no respect for a Religion that admires a man who says:

"Yes, I'll gut my child to show my love of God"

ravensfan - Put up, or shut up. Either your god exists and you can prove it, or it is all just a bunch of fairy-tales you need to give false meaning to your otherwise pitiful existence. You can't make the case for your god and in doing so you cannot make your case for how you think we should all behave relative to that belief. You are making a pathetic argument and the basis of your condemnation of your opponents is that they "Just don't get it", whatever the "it" is. From where I sit, your "it" is rubbish and until you prove otherwise, it will remain rubbish.

Everyone is good, with or without God.

Robert – I must have struck a nerve to get such a reaction. Put up or shut up? It sure sounds like a rude way of trying to shift what I said back to me. I haven’t heard a comment like that since I was a kid. I guess that means you can offer no convincing reason why I should abandon my faith and follow you down the road to nowhere you are on. We both know short of the heavens opening up or a burning bush appearing you would not accept anything as evidence anyway. Even if one of those events happened you’d rationalize it away I suspect. Only someone extremely arrogant and ignorant would make the argument that because someone doesn’t prove something to your personal satisfaction it is rubbish. That doesn’t even consider the obvious logical fallacy in your argument if I call it that. I really wish I could mount an argument that would open up your eyes, but since I can’t all I can do is pity you for the blind fool you seem to be.

Olaf, Who was offended? I'm not even offended by your woefully lacking knowledge of Christianity. Atheists have as much right to spread their message as any religious group.

wow. seems like you all are more alike than different. faith is faith. belief in an unexplained existence that started with a big bang set off because some nothing dust suddenly became something is just as profound as believing in a god that created the world in seven days. however you slice it, humans need to believe in something. even if that something is, well, nothing. maybe the true sign of being an evolved human being is sharing one's beliefs with civility, and not assuming other people are stupid because they don't share your faith.

@ravensfan
I see..., once one condenses passages of the Bible to what they actually do say, than one does not understand Christianity. How convenient!
Maybe you have not read the Bible in a while. Brush up and apply its true teachings just for one day. You will be in prison or dead the next.
I read the Bible every night and my little brain (yes, you can use that against me) cannot grasp how anyone would want to use that book as a moral compass.

As an atheist for the last few years, I encourage everyone to have an open mind and check out the websites for both the United & Baltimore Coalition of Reason. Great post, Matthew.

BILLIONS ARE NOT GOOD WITHOUT GOD :) lets all get on with it!

Atheist are good without God, so let them be, eventually everyone searches for more... we can all get along in the meantime and actions speak louder then words!

ravensfan - the only nerve you should be concerned with is the nerve you have in pushing your beliefs, which have no foundation outside of superstition and delusional myth that has been dogmatized and institutionalized by your church. As to your faith (the excuse for ignorance), I'll let that stand, or crumble on its own.

Olaf – One doesn’t understand when they try and condense the whole Bible into one small phrase as mentioned and didn’t even where you got it from although I’m pretty sure I know where. There are many teachings and while I’m sure I fail from time to time I’m pretty sure I apply them. Why exactly wouldn’t you want to apply love your neighbor as yourself, not stealing or lying, turning the other cheek just to mention a few as part of a moral compass? Forgive me if I question the validity of your claim to read the Bible every night.

Mr. Robert as a Christian, I don't feel that we have to argue with people about their religion. Their belief is their belief. What we need to do is PRAY for GOD to deliver them from the devil downfall.Through Praying,Fasting,Praising,and Worshipping, GOD we can save some soul's but not all. Some people are like Pharoah and it will take GOD alone to deliver them,then there are others that we have the power through GOD to deliver. Keep Praying.

If God told His people to take servants then it was ok. Is He telling people, anyone, to do it now? No. If God told His people it was ok to stone a disobedient member of the children of Israel then it was ok. Is He telling people, anyone, to do it now? No. Why? Because the old testament has been replaced by a better one and covenant. That is, the new testament of Jesus Christ. Dont let satan quote the old testament as a reason to say that anyone is not ok if they are a Christian, or even a Jew and follow God. Dont fall for it. It is ancient history. Thanks.

I checked out that website (CoR)... not much there except stories about putting up signs...

Perhaps this is a sign of the times, but as one who does believe in God and appreciate my creator's role in my life, simply believing in God does not make one person better than the next without more Godly behavior. Likewise, Godless people can be absolutely wonderful people.

It seems that for many nonbelievers, it's a condition like color-blindness or some other facillity where they simply lack sensation. How sad.

What strikes me about athiests so often is how angry they are and the extent to which they want to destroy that which gives others comforts as if to say, "If I can't have it, nobody can."

They have a right to express themselves, but we have a responsibility to criticize them.

How refreshing to read a conversation with a different point of view. I for one am sick and tired of being hit over the head with religion and "saved". Spirituality can be in anyone. Belief can be in love. I am not an Aztec workshipping sun gods. That was for another time and it was very brutal, as were crucifixions. I'd rather live in the present and love and enjoy my family and my life, short as it is.

Clay - evidently, your god changes his mind often (in the cosmological context) and seems to have been OK with Human bondage and barbaric execution (sometimes over the crime of just saying his name aloud) at one time, but that all changed with the arrival of his god/Human hybrid son, a lesser, but somehow equal god creature in itself, and then also not (very confusing religion you got there). In as much as it seems to be so intimately involved with us, I can see why it has such a deep and personal interest in our sex lives, but am still miffed as to why it chose to ignore the hundreds of millions of prayers offered up for it to stop Hitler BEFORE he killed 50 million of his supposed children before and during WWII.

Also, Billy Graham stated that there was not going to be sex in Heaven, or even sexual organs, so my question is, how is Christianity supposed to compete with Islam, where not only is there sex in Paradise, but that each man who martyrs himself gets 72 virgins for his own personal use? I mean really, I would be satisfied with one very experienced, but not over worn, woman in Heaven, but even that seems to be denied. I think Christianity needs a marketing do over if you expect to win in the long run.

"Christians are bombarded with non religious messages at every turn- on tv, from Hollywood, on the web, etc. The sign of a true Christian is when you trust God to take care of things and dont insist on erecting any billboards."

Posted by: Clay | December 1, 2009 11:56 AM

Your are absolutely right Clay!! I mean how many times do Christians have to tolerate, "No Left Turn", "Yield Right Away" or "Rite-Aid Pharmacy"? Then there's "10nth Street", "City Hall" and "Springville Community College"?! Golly, secular messages are just about PERVASIVE!! A good Christian should NEVER have to tolerate such abuse!

I just want people to stop telling me that their way is the only way and for not believing in their way and accepting Jesus as my personal savior, that I'm condemned to a fiery hell. I don't believe in god, I don't believe that jesus is coming back and I don't believe in satan and I'm still a good person with good morals. Jesus was a Jew, he lived as a Jew, he died a Jew. Since his death millions of people have perverted his teachings because they got passed down from person to person like an elementary school game of "telephone." He was elevated to a god status *(by the same people that crucified him) which he would have disagreed with because its a violation of the second commandment. So ask yourself what would Jesus do? Based on the modern day Christianity, you have no idea what he'd do.

Jynx said:

Raven530 said:
"If God told Israel to stone a disobedient brother that isnt murder."

No, Jynx - it was actually "Clay" that said that. I merely quoted him in order to refute that ridiculous statement.

Well Walter, maybe you could tell tv and Hollywood to make their signs just as innocent. I was watching PBS once and a man showed how he puts on a condom. I dont think it is appropriate for just any viewer who happened to be watching. Look at the movies and tv shows and see how Christians are portrayed. They are ridiculed on shows like SNL. There are many anti-religious messages that you probably see everyday if you want to be entertained. My message for you is to not be silly. There is too much at stake. Thanks.

No Ravens530, that wasnt murder. By the way the Ravens are helped when players like Matt Stover arent afraid to talk about their faith. Thanks.

Robert –Since this entire section is called “In Good Faith” what would you expect to find here? If you don’t like having the beliefs of others presented to you might I suggest you go somewhere else. The only thing I pushed at you was the concept of treating all people, not just those who share your atheist dogma, with respect. I’m quite happy to let my faith stand on its own. My faith will be around much longer than your nonsense. That’s something that I’m afraid you will end up learning the hard way. I sincerely hope not for your sake.

Simple Questions for my Atheist friends
1. Can Something come from nothing? an example please

2. If all life evolved from a single cell organism then how did we get both sexes? really think before you answer this one

3. Finally If everything is random and the only meaning that exists is the meaning that we assign to things, then how do you even begin to talk about good and evil? isn't it just a matter of my opinion versus yours? some cultures approve of pedophilia others do not, can you say they are ultimately wrong?

The first question will dismiss the conversation before it begins because the scientific crutch you lean on would fall from beneath you. "nothing from nothing leaves nothing "

TawfiQ:

1. No. I'm guessing you're assuming that at one point nothing existed. I'm not sure that is a valid assumption.
2. Probably the same way we get boys and girls starting with 2 single cells now (sperm & egg).
3. Yes, good and evil is "a matter of my opinion verus yours." I can not say that pedophiles are ultimately wrong.

TawfiQ Cotman-El: Oh I see, if an atheist cannot explain the origins of the universe, then it MUST be true about Adam/Eve/the rib/talking snakes/all created in 6 days... I mean, that's the only plausible alternative. The fact is, the Christian myth is but one of a billion possible made-up stories to explain life. The fact is, our universe may well be the tenth grade science project of some little girl from a vastly superior universe, itself born of a dragon-line creature who appeared from absolute nothing 29 billion years ago. Absurd? Not half as absurd as your wretched little bible.

ravensfan: Your melodramatic threats -- "That’s something that I’m afraid you will end up learning the hard way" or "I sincerely hope not for your sake" -- are classic fearmonging tactics of the superstitious. Since your fallacies have no basis in logic, reason, science, fact, truth or patent commonsense, you need to resort to fear, threats and intimidation to make yourself feel secure and to try and recruit others to your cult of skygods out of shame. It's fine for you to believe this, but save your delusion-talk for the church, or mosque, or synagogue (delete as appropriate - I'm sure you believe those that worship other gods are hellbound too... such are your divisive, pitiful delusions of grandeur).

TawfiQ Cotman-EL - Simple questions for which you demand simple answers, and what answer can be more simple than consigning all that you do not know or understand (YET!), to some invisible made-up god creature. It is no sin (as if sin existed) to utter these simple words, "I DON'T KNOW.....YET!". Why must you have answers for questions you have yet to earn the answer to, even if it means you must subscribe to a monumental pile of superstitiously derived myth to do so.

Andrewdukes –Had you bothered to read all my posts and not just one you might have actually learned something about me. Instead you chose to read one and make a snap judgment. Since my so-called threat contains my hope it doesn’t happen I’m not sure why you consider it a threat. If you are so sure God doesn’t exist it shouldn’t even bother you should it. A common sense, logical and reasonable argument doesn’t require scientific proof either. Logical and reasonable arguments for many scientific facts were made long before they were facts. Last time I checked I have as much right to voice my beliefs and opinions as you do to make hasty and rash judgments. Instead of making the biased assumption that all people who believe in God are somehow the same try opening your mind and contemplating that just as all atheists aren’t the same neither are all who believe in God.

I have to agree with Robert Little. There are many things we can not explain, and quit frankly, may never be able to explain with event the strongest of evidence. The fact is, some things are just better left unanswered--for now. The evidence is amazingly strong that "god" does not exist. But who can really say there isn't one? No person in existence can honestly answer the question of how everything began. Please, to all you people who claim to know the truth, on either side of the argument, stop pretending you know the answers, because you don't. But fret not, for you are in good company; no one else knows the answer either.

Looks like there are a lot of folks out there who are not good without god and those who have god and are still pretty confrontational. All I know is this: The most negative experiences of my life have all been at the hands of someone who claimed to be "christian". It has been my personal experience that those who have religion think they are above morality and ethics, unless they are dealing with someone in their church community. If you ain't saved, you aint s**t, seems to be the prevailing attitude with so called "christians". I think I will just stick with life without an imaginary friend, I don't like the majority of "believers" that I know.

Christians (and atheists), when they have lived up to the highest ideals of their faith (or moral code), have defended the weak and vulnerable and worked tirelessly to protect and strengthen vital institutions of civil society, beginning with the family.

Orthodox, Catholic and evangelical Christians who have united at this hour to reaffirm fundamental truths about justice and the common good, and to call upon our fellow citizens, believers and non-believers alike, to join us in defending them. These truths are:

1. the sanctity of human life
2. the dignity of marriage as 3. the conjugal union of husband and wife
4. the rights of conscience and religious liberty.

Inasmuch as these truths are foundational to human dignity and the well-being of society, they are inviolable and non-negotiable. Because they are increasingly under assault from powerful forces in our culture, we are compelled today to speak out forcefully in their defense, and to commit ourselves to honoring them fully no matter what pressures are brought upon us and our institutions to abandon or compromise them. We make this commitment not as partisans of any political group but as followers of Jesus Christ, the crucified and risen Lord, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

http://manhattandeclaration.org/

Clay, a man putting on a condom on PBS is an anti religious message? Why didn't you just avert your pure and religious eyes? Were you transfixed, hypnotized by the act?

Ravensfan--O plodding proto human--confronting Robert has become like breathing to you--second nature. I think you had too much exposure to scolding nuns at a vulnerable stage in your life. You have subconsciously imbibed their wagging fingers and incorporated their style into your dealings with others. Robert bullies and you wag your finger-Robert swaggers and you wag it again--I shall from now on think of you as the scolding schoolmarm of these blogs.

TawfiQ,
What has approval or disapproval of pedophilia have to do with god? Yes, the only meaning anything holds is the meaning we assign to it unless we unravel more meaning from it by pursuing the hows, whys and wherefores of it--this is called inquiry.

Can something come from nothing? The Buddhists say the universe and all of life is an illusion--by their standards nothing has come from nothing and will go to nothing. And if creation did come from something why does that something have to be god?

Mr.Rational--from the religious to you-- where did the ovum come from? Where did the sperm come from? You would say, "From a female and a male respectively." From the religious to you, "Where did the female come from? Where did the male come from?" You would reply from single cells-ovum and sperm respectively. From the religious to you: "See, you don't have an answer. Therefore there has to be a god."

Religion is the power of the nonsequitur over people like Clay. He believes at all cost. He now wants to cast out the entire Old Testament where the arrival of Jesus was prophesied a thousand times. This, the bible of the Jews, the very book Jesus is supposed to have studied, discussed and interpreted, filled with the lore of Jesus' ancestors , Jesus himself claiming to be the messiah predicted in its pages--this book Clay would discard as irrelevant just to stifle Ravens530. Such are the ways of the religious.

To save the religious from death and sin every few centuries god has to come down to earth in the form of various men or has to remain in heaven and appear only to prophets--never ever as a woman has this god come to earth.

The prophets and the saviors of the religious invariably have visions of god--they claim they have seen god, heard god or are actually gods themselves. Today these men would be carted off to the nearest psychiatrists by their relatives for treatment of delusions of grandeur. Yet, centuries later they are glorified as saviors and prophets and worshiped as gods. Question this delusion and you will be told your moral compass is shaky. Mock this delusion and Ravensfan will ask you to go browse elsewhere; not in these blogs called, "In Good Faith".

Even a man such as Rob who writes godless people can be absolutely wonderful says as a follow up to his compliment that atheism is a condition like color blindness, an inherited lapse--a genetic flaw--created by whom---his god? Of course not. To the religious every good thing comes from the all male deity called god and all bad things come from god's main all male rival satan--so the color blindness was created by satan.

This kind of thinking Robert Littel has called proto-human and Ravensfan (in the good company of the god believing Clay) bristles that all of the religious have been classed together. He wants the atheists to distinguish the degrees of superstition--to see the variegated nature of the religious--that they are not all alike--that some like he are more evolved; that he is different from Clay--a man who seems to imply that the struggles of the blacks against bondage, from ancient times, was probably a satan provoked endeavor. Compared to that Ravensfan, you come off in glowing colors but wouldn't anybody?

I can already hear your stern voice Ravensfan--"Anon, I don't care what you think--you are being childish--I thought you were more intelligent than this--disappointing your long diatribe--meaningless--nothing said in it that's important"--give me a break Ravensafan--the god creature has you in his thrall--you are not as proto as proto, proto, proto Clay and you are a wee bit ahead of the proto proto Pattycakes but you are still proto--keep arguing Ravensfan, one of these days you may pick up the bible and when someone asks you, "What are you reading?" you may reply before you even realize it, "Israeli mythology 101!" as you should, to get out of the proto state.
Ravensfan Anon

Anonymous, TawfiQ asked "If all life evolved from a single cell organism then how did we get both sexes?". TawfiQ's question, in my opinion, is asking how 2 single cells can create different sexes, not how the 2 single cells came to be. My point is that it happens every day. Sperm and ovum are both single cells and are capable of creating children of either sex. Why would we think this is the only circumstance when this can happen? Why couldn't two other single cells come together and create more than one sex outside the human body given the right circumstances? They don't necessarily have to be sperm and egg...just an example. Where did the two cells come from? I don't know. I wasn't around then, but I don't think "God" put them here...

Are you goog without God?
Millions are....
'Til they're dead, then they're fuc***

I believe in God. I also believe in accepting people no matter what they believe or what their lifestyle is. As a believer, God was accepting and so am I. I think that there is so much bickering back and forth. Our kids can't say the Pledge of Aliegence becuase it has Gods name in it, people want to take away free will, if a woman wants abortion. It's both sides doing this to each other. Just live and let live!! Stop letting other peoples beliefs or ways of life rule how you live yours!

I'm good without god. I'm not waiving a flag about it, and I'm not really interested in "ministering" to others with different belief systems. I have friends who find comfort, strength and community in their faith, and I support them. I find my comfort, strength and community in ways that have meaning for me. That's all. If my friends find comfort in praying for me, it's for their comfort, not mine. And that's fine. I'm good (as in a good person, and as in ok with myself) without god, and it's not in opposition to anyone else.

There's a very interesting book carefully written entitled 'The Reason for God' by Tim Keller (available from Amazon) which answers the common and most difficult issues of skeptiscm. I challenge these 'good without god' people to read this book and reason with it. The book website: http://thereasonforgod.com/

Our Undiscovered Universe: An introduction of Null Physics by Terence Witt

I likewise challenge the christian termites to pick up this book, in response to Rico

it will also answer the first question:
TawfiQ Cotman-El posted
1. Can Something come from nothing? an example please

"If God told His people to take servants then it was ok. Is He telling people, anyone, to do it now? No. If God told His people it was ok to stone a disobedient member of the children of Israel then it was ok. Is He telling people, anyone, to do it now? No. Why? Because the old testament has been replaced by a better one and covenant. That is, the new testament of Jesus Christ. Dont let satan quote the old testament as a reason to say that anyone is not ok if they are a Christian, or even a Jew and follow God. Dont fall for it. It is ancient history. Thanks."

Posted by: Clay

Seriously Clay? There are entire criminal asylums filled with people who said "god" told them to kill. Maybe your god did tell them! Crazy thought, indeed.

Hypothetically, lets say that we are in fact created in the image of a "god".
On that basis that all christianity is based from, and looking at the person to your left and right, is there any doubt that this god is mentally deranged?

Along the same hypothetical line, Hitler was definitely created by your god. They share an amazing gift for killing the Jews.

Okay people, back to reality.

I'm 69 years old in April. Honestly, I've never believed in a god. And I really never thought much about it. Always thought religion was not for me. I don't like people who are religous. Just don't like them at all. I think they are all just weak minded. Simple.