Guest Post: Getting rid of the Taliban cancer
Shaukat Malik is a Muslim-American Certified Public Accountant from Potomac. He left his native Pakistan in 1972 and has been living in the United States since 1980.
As a Pakistani American, I feel obligated to serve the United States in fighting terrorism through development and institution building. Allow me to offer my suggestions on controlling the Taliban/Extremism in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Taliban Background: Who are the Taliban?
They are a byproduct of the Soviet war thirty years ago and received their training in Pakistani madrassas. The Taliban are igniting nationalist passions amongst the uneducated citizens of Afghanistan to stand up and fight outsiders -- read the United States, NATO and the Pakistani and Afghan governments.
The Taliban and Muslim extremists share their ideology with the orthodox brand of Islam practiced today in Saudi Arabia. Sharia/Hadood laws are the backbone of Taliban Ideology. The enforcement of these laws and setting up a government with a spiritual head/Caliph/Khomeni is the goal of these mad zealots. They would like to go back 1400 years and eat “Manna” for dinner.
Supported by drug-money and thugs, the Taliban are not as simple and ordinary as they appear. They have taken a leaf from the Inquisition in Christianity and use fear and public humiliation at the end of a gun to enforce their brand of made-up Islam.
While controlling Swat, these crooks used Robin Hood tactics by seizing land from wealthy owners and giving it away to poor tenants. Of course, the land was never theirs to give away in the first place, but through this fraudulent move they were able to convince some locals.
Pakistan’s involvement in the Soviet war allowed Pakistan’s military dictator Zia-ul-Haq the room to Islamicize Pakistan through fake referendums and, in the process, destroyed Pakistan’s secular character. This Islamicization process has been allowed to continue to this day, notwithstanding General Musharaf’s fake enlightened moderation slogan.
Please note: A Taliban-controlled Afghanistan cannot survive without support from extremist sympathizers in Pakistan.
How do we counter this?
• President Barack Obama is in a unique position, owing to his ancestral connection with the Muslim faith and belonging to a minority, to appeal to the people of Afghanistan to make a choice between progress or the anarchy and madness of the Taliban. This can be his second address to the Muslim world. The people of Afghanistan are owed an apology for 30 years of war that has brought down the Berlin Wall but sustained dictatorships in neighboring Pakistan while destroying the lives of Afghanis. Mr. Obama has the political capital needed to win their trust. He must promise continued engagement that benefits each party.
• The United States can play a major role. Saudi Arabia, whose model of orthodox Islam the Taliban and Islamic parties in Pakistan follow, must be convinced to publicly condemn the Taliban and declare them as non-Muslim, throat-slitting thugs. This will have the immediate effect of Taliban/Muslim extremists being forced to explain their ridiculous views on education, women, et cetera.
• Saudi Arabia and its rich private citizens must stop funding religious parties and madrassas in Pakistan. These organizations provide the infrastructure for training terrorists, thus making it almost impossible for the government of Pakistan to control these institutions.
• The Organization of the Islamic Conference must pass a resolution condemning the Taliban brand of made-up Islam by declaring them as non-Muslim, throat-slitting thugs.
• Pakistan’s democratically elected government must confront opposition political and relgious parties to openly condemn relgious extremists committing atrocities every day in Pakistan. The Pakistan Peoples Party and opposition leadership must come out of their Foxholes and be seen by the average Pakistani. It seems that political parties are sitting on the fence when it comes to openly condemning the Taliban in a public rally. Maybe the lawyers’ movement should be mobilized to counter the extremists in Pakistan. Moderate Islam along Turkish lines must be adopted and religious extremists should be shunned.
• Pakistan’s madrassas must be evaluated for conversion to regular schools with the help of USAID. Some Madrassas are providing logistical support to suicide bombers and terrorists and must be identified and monitored by Pakistan government.
• We must support the infant democracy in Pakistan, notwithstanding its inexperienced leaders. USAID under the Kerry-Lugar bill will go a long way towards helping Pakistan become a stable democracy along Turkish lines. I would add one more condition to the bill: “Any military takeover of the Pakistan government will result in immediate cancellation of all aid under this bill. A military government invariably creates a political void that is filled by extremists."
• The United States must convince India to solve the Kashmir problem and stop supporting separatist insurgents in Baluchistan region of Pakistan. A stable Pakistan is a must for India and the region.
• The second round of Afghanistan’s elections must be followed by an invitation to all warlords and Taliban willing to negotiate and work with the new administration. Mr. Karzai must be willing to share power with fellow Afghanis or resign.
• After the second round of elections in Afghanistan, we must hold elections at the district level to devolve power from the center, and empower local populations.
• Drug mafia operating in Afghanistan must be identified and dismantled to control drug production and distribution. A market must be developed to encourage farmers to produce crops other than opium.
• There can be no negotiation with the Taliban if they insist on their mad brand of made-up Islam that is out of step with human civilization. You cannot negotiate with madness. They must be dealt with militarily and eliminated.
Today’s war effort is very different from that of the 1990s. Today, we have drones and satellite technology and can easily target and isolate clusters of Taliban hiding in the mountains of the Pakistan-Afghan border.
Categories: Guest Posts, International, Islam, Politics


Comments
I agree . Mr. Obama should appeal to the Afghanistan people to reject the Taliban and also force Karzai to form a true coalition by sharing power with the Northern Alliance and Taliban willing to work with the government.
Today 95 innocent women and children died in Peshawer Pakistan , yet none of the leaders in Pakistan has come out to call for a nationwide movement against the Taliban.
How about a nationwide movement of Pakistani women protesting against the Taliban and religious extremists. If you have say 20 million people gathering in different cities on the same day these murderers will get the message and change their mad ways.
There is no point in negotiating with those that want to continue with their mad ways. They must be eliminated.
We are fighting a war of ideology that has an unlimited credit-line from the Saudi and Iranian governments.
Sharia laws as stated in the Quran 1400 years ago are no longer in step with today's world. Muslim Male Scholars have successfully chained muslim women inside their homes, or if they go outside inside their Burka/Hijab by interpreting the text in the Quran to suit their selfish goals.
The Taliban are their clones and most of their agenda is based on a pious society of Thugs hiding behind the Burka of Sharia laws as practiced today in Saudi Arabia , while they quietly loot, and destroy villages and families.
There is no family planning in Afghanistan and one way to control women is to make them pregnant against their will while committing the newcomer to a life of misery or a madrassa.
The writer is right. Saudi Arabian Kings as the custodians of Mecca & Medina must by forced by Obama to condemn the Taliban, while at the same time allowing women to drive cars and go out alone on the streets of Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia should stop supporting extremists groups in Pakistan. Each time Taliban/Satan successfully attack a US vehicle they shout "God is Great".
I do not think God needs there compliment. He is the God of all mankind and according to the Quran and the old and new testaments is eager to create a "fair and just society for all.
Mr. Obama must take the initiative of worldwide condemnation of the Taliban by Saudi Arabia and all Muslim countries before committing more young men to fight in Afghanistan
Another scenario is to withdraw from Afghanistan , however if this were done today it would lead to bloodshed between the Pashtuns and the Tajiks.
The answer is eliminate the Taliban while building a functioning government in Afghanistan.
I think the time has come for a major push against the Taliban in Afghanistan and totally isolating them and eliminating them. Pakistan has already started their action.
Hopefully, the current mayhem in Pakistan and Afghanistan will convince the population that religion is best kept separate from state and practiced in one's home and heart. and is between each individual and God according to his beliefs.
Pakistan and Afghanistan must embrace Turkey's brand of Islam that is both secular and tolerant of fellow human beings.
Posted by: Tina | October 28, 2009 1:36 PM
Our soldiers who are predominantly Christian should tell the Afghan people that the Koran is a continuation of the Old and New Testaments and tells/confirms the same stories. The story about Jesus and Mary is the same in the Bible and Koran. Similarly Jewish Prophet Isaac and Ishamael were fathered by Abraham the Father of all three religions. The story of Abraham sacrificing his son and a lamb appearing is shared by Jews and Christians. As children of Abraham, we are related and have common religious heritage.
A Jew or a Christian is not an infidel/non-believer but a believer in the word of God.Muslims are allowed to marry people of the books.
Islam came after Judaism and Christianity and teaches peace and respect of other religions such as Budhists, Hinduism, etc as confirmed in Surah-e -Al Kafiroon.
Every Muslim/Taliban that prays towards mecca sends blessings to the children of Abraham in each prayer in the Darood-e-Ibrahim/Abraham. Our common enemy is poverty and throat-slitting Taliban and poverty and lawlessness that the Taliban bring.
Here is the Darood-e-Ibrahim/Abraham narrated by every Muslim everyday in their prayer.
I reproduce for you with translation.
I am copying for you with translation. We can reinforce this as a common bond between Afghanistan/Pakistan's Muslims and Christians and Jews living in America.
Allahumma Salleh Alaa Muhammadin Wa'ala' Aale Muhammadin Kama Sallaiyta Alaa Ibraheema Wa' Ala Aale Ibraheema InnakaHameedum Majeed
Allahumma Baarak Alaa Muhammadin Wa' Ala Aale Muhammadin Kama Baarakta Alaa Ibraheem Wa' Ala Aale Ibraheema Innaka Hameedum Majeed
Oh Allah, send grace and honour on Muhammad and
On the family and true followers of Muhammad
just as you sent Grace and Honour on Ibrahim
and on the family and true followers of Ibrahim
Surely, you are praiseworthy, the Great.
Oh Allah, send your blessing on Muhammad and
the true followers of Muhammad, just
as you sent blessings on Ibrahim
and his true followers
Surely, you are praiseworthy, the Great.
American's working on converting Madrassas to regular schools have found senior Clerics who have learnt by memorizing and have been taught only the Saudi version of Koran's translation, that is generally biased against Christians and Jews and even advises to not trust Jews and Christians which is of course rubbish, is further confirmed by a restriction by the Saudi Royal Family on non-muslims not being allowed to enter Mecca & Medina. This indeed is a clear violation of what the holy prophet taught the Muslims. There is no reference to such a restriction in the Koran.
When these Clerics are shown a more correct translation of the Koran by say "Picktal or Yousaf ali , they are indeed shocked and dismayed at what they have been following all these years.
In the Koran waging war is only allowed , if your home is attacked. And then only in self-defense. Also, there is no compulsion in Islam.
Soldiers should tell the Afghani and Taliban that their religion and the Soldiers religion is determined by God and it is God's will that the Afghani is a Muslim and the Soldier a Christian.
They should also tell them that they are there because the Taliban are bad and gave sanctuary to Osama Bin Laden. They should show them videos of 9/11 bombings with innocent. people standing in the windows and jumping to their deaths.
It is surprising based on recent polls, how little people in Afghanistan and Pakistan know about Osama and what he did to us. A large number of people when interviewed in Pakistan thought that Osama was Karzai's man.
So to fight the Taliban cancer we must change the mindset and ideology of the Afghani people by identifying similarities between them as Muslims and us as Christians and Jews all Children of Abraham , Sharing our Prophets and History through God's words in the holy Bible and the Holy Quran.
Posted by: ANNOYMOUS | November 1, 2009 1:34 PM
There is no infant democracy in Pakistan--it underwent a crib death--sudden infant death syndrome--that too in the dim past. The US must do this, that and the other blah, blah, blah. Give me a break Shaukat. The US should butt out of Kashmir--may be it can meddle in PoK--Pakistan occupied Kashmir as the Indians call it. I see Picktal and Yousaf Ali are back, bathed in the glory Annonymous casts on them. You think the Taliban is a shrinking violet? You truly believe these thugs can be sequestered and enervated by the Muslim mainstream calling their acts essentially unacceptable to the rest of Islam? These are not men who are operating fueled by the world's approval. They care not a whit for the approbation of anyone outside their community of warriors and bombers. They live in their own universe and the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddha is testament to their insanity. Pakistan, most importantly, wants to keep the Taliban going as a checkmate against India. What better way to harass India than to unleash upon the world's most populous democracy, the world's most primitive killers, coddled, protected and armed by the ISI and the Pakistani army? The Taliban not Muslim? They are as Muslim as the Saudis, oppressors of women and sponsors of global terror, as Muslim as the members of the Pakistani army, the ISI, the ruling elite of Pakistan--all thugs and wolves, who've led the US on for years, pretending that they are chasing Osama and his acolytes, when in matter of fact they have been looking the other way even as the world's most wanted terrorists set up house in Pakistan--too rugged the North Western terrain, too remote to control-- these have been the Pakistani government's refrains whose lyrics also go: Give me some more dollars mister, Millions more mister, cause I've gotta buy me some more uranium, split me some more atoms, to burn up juicy Indian bottoms--those are my only goal mister, nothing else is as exciting as splitting uranium atoms and burning juicy Indian bottoms--give me some more dollars, millions more mister, I'll catch Osama if you catch Obama and ask him to find me millions more mister--that's all I ever want millions and millions! India is destabilizing Baluchistan? Countries always break up from within. The house of cards called Pakistan has been teetering on the brink of disaster for a long time. Poof-- a small breeze could topple it. The Baluchis have been fed up of the rest of Pakistan for an infinite amount of time. They have wanted out of the Pakistani union for the longest time. If Indians are encouraging the Baluchis to put a nail in the Pakistani coffin who can blame them? None will other than the Pakistanis
Ravensfan Anon.
Posted by: Anonymous | November 1, 2009 9:21 PM
You do not offer any suggestions, only condemnation. The fact is that India is Pakistan's neighbor and any fire in Pakistan will also burn India.
India should earn its democratic credentials by withdrawing at least three hundred thousand soldiers stationed in Kashmir and give the Kashmiris their rights.
Also Indian RAW-ISI also plays the same games in a tit-for-tat game and that is understandable because that is their job. But by causing trouble in Baluchistan and Afghanistan through RAW agents will only complicate the situation for India.
The IPL series could not be held in India because of attack on the Sirilankan cricket team in Lahore Pakistan.
So please do not pretend that you are thousands of miles away from the conflict like the USA and Europe. Indians and Pakistanis drink the same water, breath the same air. Hindu hatred towards Muslims nurtured by a thousand year of Muslim rule and exploited by Fascist Hindu parties like BJP should not be allowed to succeed.
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India and Pakistan are permanent neighbors , so the only solution is for India to help and assist Pakistan in fighting terrorism.
Racist behavior towards Muslims who number close to 170 million in India as confimed by the Muslim and untouchabel Hindu Slums in the movies "Slum Dog Millionaire" will only cause more pain.
The US must do this and that because US has been a partner with Pakistan since 1952, when India was sitting in the lap of Russia.
I notice from the tone of your comment you are from India and a racist against Muslims and Dalits.
Mere ranting never helps. Come up with some ideas,for fighting the Taliban and their supporters.
Posted by: ANNOYMOUS | November 2, 2009 8:48 AM
Slum Dog Millionaire is your reference for what's happening in India? Give me a break!
This cry for help for India to collaborate with Pakistan to fight terrorism makes it sound like the Indians have been encouraging terrorism. The Indians are on the defensive about terror. They have been murdered in the scores due to the Pakistani rascals and you have the gall to say that Indians must cooperate with Pakistan in quelling terrorism?
Terror is Pakistan's middle name and the Indians had nothing to do with the inception of these terror games in Pakistan, nothing to do with the promotion of the terrorist groups--this seems to be a way of life for large swathes of Muslims--a career if you will, a full time occupation- Muslims love their persecution complex--they hang on to it for dear life--you being no exception saying that Hindus are practicing racism against the Muslims in India--do you live in India? Have you been persecuted?
Hindus and Muslims intermarry in modern India all the time--it is the Muslims who insist that the Hindus involved in such marriages should convert to Islam, not the other way around--what we need is a world without all this religion garbage but that's a fight for another blog.
Pakistan was no big partner with the US--that partnership has been a debilitating colossal waste for America--it saw the rise of the Taliban, the perfidy of the ISI and the Pakistani army toward the US, the siphoning of US dollars into Pakistani army pockets, into terror projects and into militaristic adventures against India. You call this a productive and fruitful partnership?
And don't blah, blah to me about the defeat of the Soviet threat. Now Pakistan lies squarely in the lap of the communist giant China, ceding Kashmiri land to it, constructing with it the Karakorum Highway, through Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. Pakistan is also a handmaiden of Russia.
And let's not forget the father of Pakistani nuclear arrogance, A Q Khan--this man was a merchant of death and because of his nuclear mercantilism we now have North Korea sitting on a pile of nuclear arsenal and Iran with nuclear know how challenging the US.
Trace the origin of every existential global problem that besieges mankind today and read the name Pakistan behind it to fully understand this country is a threat to mankind and you have the audacity to ask India to accommodate this nutty place because it has no choice? The Indians, as I read it, don't feel the pressure you feel for them.
Now that the US is breathing down its neck, and Pakistan is feeling this heat, Pakistanis living abroad have become preachers of peace, they want accommodations, understanding, forgiveness and rewards for a volatile country that has reversed course so many times and has lurched from a demon to a drag, a pliant pussy to a howling hyena--will the real Pakistan stand up and bow?
Yes, Indians share the same sky, the same water, the same land and so on and so forth--poetry pours out of you dear Annonymous--that's a misfortune the Indians are accustomed to--it's karma, a curse the Indians have been trying to live down.
Annonymous your guesses about me are just that --guesses. Stop yapping about me--Pakistanis love to spread the lie that Muslims are being persecuted in India and are subjected to "racism". (You call me a racist against Dalits? How did Dalits come into this? I have been given to understand that Indians are demonized in Pakistani history books--if you are assuming I am an Indian then you may feel compelled to demonize me. Refrain.)
If you are a Muslim and a Pakistani, cries of racism coming from a people who hail from a theocratic state (masquerading as a secular democracy, where Hindus and Christians and all other religious groups are not the only ones marginalized but the same has occurred to Ahmadiyas and the Shias) are a joke.
Even Iran, a great big terror pit, has its grouses against Pakistan. In the Sistan-O-Balochistan region of Iran, that's where Pakistan plays mischief, stirring up the Mujahideen-i-Khalq, a Sunni terror group. Not that the Iranians don't deserve a rebellion but Pakistan is a meddler and a mischief monger making things worse. Ditto, in Afghanistan. Karzai too has been complaining about the role of the Pakistani government in roiling the already boiling Afghan political pot. You think everybody is wrong about Pakistan--India, Afghanistan, Iran, and numerous astute commentators in America?
Most Pakistanis are unable to do anything about the fallacies of their own country--no person in power will listen to one sensible common man in Pakistan. Hence the Pakistanis with some sense, look outward and bully, plead, threaten others--Indians, Americans, Saudis, anyone else except their ruling elite-- to tolerate Pakistan, to help this global trouble maker, to do something about it.
A country has to change from within--Indians have their hands full watching over land and sea, to make sure they are not going to be blown up by the next Pakistani plot--unless Pakistan overcomes its predilection for terror, unless it gets over its obsessive compulsive neurosis about India, unless it stops taking up for Indian Muslims--who by the way have not asked for Pakistan's help and will not move to Pakistan even if they were handed free visas today because they know full well, that Muslims who emigrated to Pakistan way after partition, are discriminated against as latecomers and regarded more Indian than Pakistani, same for the Sunnis who have migrated from Iran--anyway, unless Pakistan cleans out its psyche with some deep soul searching the world is done for Annonymous.
Ravensfan Anon
Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2009 12:02 PM
American and British boys some as young as 21 are dying in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban. Pakistani citizens are dying everyday at the hands of these murderers and you talk about Pakistan supporting these throat-slitting Taliban. I do not think so. I agree Indian and Pakistani intelligence agencies should work together to fight this menace of extremists.
Taliban/extremists like Hitler do not belong to any religion . They are simply thugs who want to seize power.
Please come up with some suggestions instead of long tirades against your permanent neighbor. So far we have not heard any solutions other than maybe kill all Pakistanis.
Posted by: ANNOYMOUS | November 2, 2009 3:34 PM
You don't know my permanent neighbor Annonymous--what you sow is what you reap--reply for "Pakistani citizens are dying at the hands of the Taliban".
Taliban extremists belong right smack in the middle of Islam. Do not disown them. All the good ones are ours and all the bad ones are virulent orphans eh?
The whole world is full of thugs who want to seize power--Hizbollah--yes, thugs, Hamas--yes, thugs, al Qaeda in Iraq--yes thugs, Lashkar e taiba--yes, thugs, Jaish e Mohammed--yes thugs--how do you tell the difference between all these guys? You want to kill only the throat slitting Taliban--do they run around with a placard that reads, "I am not a real Muslim. I am a throat slitting Taliban"?
You want to keep Jaish, you want to keep Lashkar but you want to kill the Taliban. The dollar does speak doesn't it--even if the currency has fallen on hard times?
I have come up with a solution Annonymous--only you are not buying the solution. Real change Annonymous starts at the level of the head. Pakistan feels inferior to India. It has lived its entire existence trying to feel superior. The Pakistani ruling elite needs a psychological overhaul--so do the military and the ISI.
Pakistan is falling apart and what are the foremost worries of the rulers there--the plight of the Muslims in India, the plight of the Kashmiris in the Indian side of the valley--you're no different Annonymous--your concentration is always south of the border. Set your own house right Annonymous, there is much to be set right there--that's a good maxim.
I am not buying all this stuff about how to defeat the Taliban. Can't defeat the Taliban by bombs and bullets alone. The Taliban is right to seize land from the greedy pashas of Pakistan. What has the rich man ever done for the poor man in Pakistan? Some of what is happening in Pakistan is also class warfare and the US should butt out of that one.
There will always be an endless array of Taliban--slay one and another will crop up to take his place because there are countless disaffected, disempowered, illiterate and hopeless citizens in Pakistan. But Pakistan has no will to deal with the dreadful discrepancy between its rich and its poor and the Taliban fills the void.
Pakistan likes to daub India with the mud on its own face. It likes to divide the Indian Muslims from the Indian Hindus--it loves to say that the Dalits are in a bad shape in India and if it could it would love to convert the malcontents of India to terrorists.
Listen Annonymous, how to defeat the Taliban--give the poor a chance in Pakistan--bring about land reform so the Taliban wouldn't have to do it. The poor peasants marched for this kind of reform but were ignored by the urban elite. They are no more than vassals in Pakistan, these peasants. So they join the Taliban--why not? I'd join the Taliban too if I am dirt poor and I lived in Pakistan.
You want Saudi Arabia not to fund the madrassas in Pakistan. There are madrassas in India too but they haven't bred terrorists--at least until now--although if Pakistan or Saudi Arabia have their way these madrassas too would be terrorist factories.
The Indian government has been trying to reform these schools but to no avail. The madrassa leaders have resisted any productive change--they have ignored the calls of the government and the pleas of the secular Muslims of India.
You say Annonymous that there is racism in India--I assume you say this because many Muslims are poor in India and they are not sharing in the rise of the middle class in larger numbers. But you see the Muslims cling to their ways--every time reform is attempted, every time geometry, algebra or calculus are introduced or made compulsory for madrassa students out come the headmasters of the madrassas crying foul, claiming persecution by the Hindu majority, saying that their Islamic identity will be destroyed by geometry and algebra--pitiful considering that the Muslims had a lot to do with development of algebra--but that's the way the cookie crumbles in the madrassas of India.
Then these students graduate and all they can be are headmasters in other madrassas or write tracts and tracts about the Koran or become imams in some corner of India. When they don't get government jobs -that's discrimination, when they don't become astronomers, doctors and engineers-- that's discrimination--come on Annonymous--what gives? One can lead the horse to the pond, one can't drink for it or make it drink.
So Shaukat wants the USAID to evaluate the madrassas for reform--what is wrong with the Pakistani government? Impotent?
Trouble started for Pakistan when it rejected its roots in the Indian subcontinent--when it embraced the non native Arabic culture. It wanted to distinguish itself from India--act superior--it Arabized its mosques and its schools--result? Deobandis and Wahabis galore, Saudis with big fat purses trolling the streets of Islamabad and Karachi for prostitutes and little girls to rape, the subcontinent identity sacrificed in the name of Islam, the Kaaba above the Qutb Minar--worth it Annonymous?
Pakistan deserves every bit of what it is experiencing now--it earned its fate.
Kill all Pakistanis--no, no Annonymous, I don't believe in capital punishment. The Pakistanis are doing a good job of killing themselves. Trouble is if they will kill the rest of us while they are at their suicide mission.
Ravensfan Anon
Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2009 11:58 PM
India's founding fathers namely J Nehru and Patel rejected muslims bid for self rule in majority muslim states throughout India. I have studied my history. This fact was confirmed by BJP leader who recently wrote a book about Jinnah and was thrown out of BJP.
Qaid-e-Azam Paksitan's founder who fought side by side with Mahtamah Ghandi for Inidia's independence from the British had no choice but to demand a separate homeland to counter Hindu Racism on display in your tirades.
If Nehru had agreed, almost half of India would be under Muslim rule and Muslims in India would not be living the "The Slum-dog life" so truly captured by the movie.
American soldiers are giving their lives in Afghanistan to fight the cancer of Taliban. It seems you do not care about our boys dying. I think India should reassure Pakistan about its peaceful intentions on the Eastern border, by withdrawing close to 500,000 soldiers(confirmed by the Financial Times article by David Gardner), so Paksitani troops can be deployed on the Afghan border to stop the Taliban moving back and forth and wreaking havoc in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
All that money can be used to improve the slums of Bombay and Calcutta to get rid of slums and despair.
Also Pakistan should repeal their Hadood ordinance whose complete enforcement is an important part of the Taliban's agenda.
India should be supporting and assisting the United States and Pakistan in fighting terrorism as in the end you cannot move the Indian continental plate away from Pakistan and Afghanistan.
As long as there is planet earth, Pakistan, India and Afghanistan will be nieghbors.
It is better to accept and support your neighbors instead of giving them dirty looks everyday.
We must respect the sacrifice of innocent civilians and young American men dying in Afghanistan to fight the Taliban.
Posted by: anonymous | November 3, 2009 11:44 AM
"Listen Annonymous, how to defeat the Taliban--give the poor a chance in Pakistan--bring about land reform so the Taliban wouldn't have to do it. The poor peasants marched for this kind of reform but were ignored by the urban elite."
I think we may be on to something here (finally!). Too sad though that it too is not a new viewpoint.
Anyone who doesn't already know of Hernando DeSoto and his work now has a reading assignment.
Poke around in his organizations website
http://ild.org.pe/en/home and pick one or two articles or speeches.
Then help the work to come into being.
Posted by: MrRational | November 3, 2009 12:18 PM
I have been watching you Mr.Rational--you say a lot by saying little--a gift. I salute you.
Ravensfan Anon
Posted by: Anonymous | November 3, 2009 4:44 PM
I have been watching you Mr.Rational--you say a lot by saying little--a gift. I salute you.
Ravensfan Anon
Annonymous, you bore me. You repeat yourself like a parrot. I am so glad you are worried about our boys--why don't you go volunteer and fight the good fight? The people who live in the slums of India have thus far avoided the terrorist trap. Not so the poor in Pakistan for whom terrorism is a lucrative job. Pakistan cannot be trusted and should come out of the muck it created by itself. The Muslim bid for self rule was rightfully thrown out--ditto for any Hindu bid for self rule--it would have deserved no mercy either. You think like a theocrat Annonymous. I guess you can't help your genetic disease. Qaid e Azam was not a visionary was he? He threw in his lot with a country that turned out to be not only militaristic but also brutal to its own. Pakistani troops on the Afghan border? Mama mia what a mess for the Afghans. All that money could have been used all along to improve the slums of Mumbai--so say you Annonymous--but you conveniently forget the foolishness of Kargil don't you? Thank you bleeding heart Annonymous--you would love to see India disarmed and naked practicing the Hindu Ahimsa while the Pakistani soldier boys run around, their pistols blazing pretending to annihilate the Taliban, all the while thinking to themselves what bugaboo other than India is available to them to keep the restive population of Pakistan diverted. It is better to forget you have dirty neighbors than to spend any time at all thinking about them. Plates have moved before Annonymous--and I don't think India has any quarrels with Afghanistan Annonymous--your need to class Afghanistan as another neighbor distressed about India's lack of
cooperartion is a classic Pakistani ploy--Muslims together with Muslims eh--this despite the fact the Afghani common people see Pakistan for the snake it really is. Give me a break Annonymous--you can't sell your treacly sweet espousals to me. And I repeat the Muslims of India, many, choose a madrassa education, over a modern education. They have a penchant for shooting themselves in the foot. That is the Islam of today--a tool in the hands of the clergy and the ruling elite to keep the common man shackled to a religious book and pretend that the world is not passing him by--then play the blame game. Also if you think I am an Indian Annonymous then you and I belong to the same race. So I am not a racist against you. If it will please you just call me a religious bigot--I am not that either but since you seem insistent that I should be classed as some sort of bigot, I bow to your deep dark desire to accuse me and lend you the right terminology to please your suppositions.
Ravensfan Anon
Posted by: Anonymous | November 3, 2009 5:22 PM
Ravensfan Anon:
You have not offered any suggestions. Why are you bashing the dispossessed "Slum-Dog Muslims of India" who mostly live in the Slums with with their rejected by India's caste system "The Untouchables"
India's Caste system is primitive and has no place in today's world.
Why not offer some suggestions on what India can do to help fight the Taliban Caner.
Here are two to get you going:
Stop messing in Afghanistan through their 21 Consulate Offices
And, Withdraw their forces from Kashmir so Pakistani soldiers can help America's army fight the Taliban.
So please come up with some ideas
American Blood is being spilled and India is not helping by arming the Taliban in Pakistan through their consulates in Kabul and Raw.
The least India can do is just stay the hell out of the Taliban war.
Thank you.
Posted by: Anonymous | November 4, 2009 9:37 AM
Give me a break! India is doing that? May be the Indians took a page out of the Pakistani "Let's arm the terrorists" handbook. Now that Pakistan is in dire straits and has got religion it wants to say, "Presto!" and everyone should convert eh?
Instant gratification-- a desire of all and attainment of the very few. The US will deal with India as it sees fit, Annonymous. Don't waste your breath over here.
Ravensfan Anon
Posted by: Anonymous | November 4, 2009 10:57 AM
Ravensfan. anon.:
Are you a Balitmore Raven's Fan!
I think you have finally figured it out.
India's Raw has taken a leaf from Pakistan's ISI and is doing to Paksitan in Baluchistan and Afghanistan What ISI has been doing to India in Kashmir and Mumbai.
However, this tit for tat approach is hurting our brave young men whose blood is being spilled.
Germany under Hitler was also a democracy so I think time has come for India to stop playing the democracy card and come clean.
India mus withdraw its forces in Kashmir so Pakistan can concentrate on the Afghan border.
We do not want another Vietnam . The other option is to close down offices of American companies in Bangalore to give India a kick in the head.
Pakistan army has captured Indian manufactured arms in the hands of Taliban fighters in Waziristan. How did they get Indian made guns. Not the ISI. Surely it is Indian Raw playing games but inadvertently killing innocent civilians by default.
Concerned American
Posted by: Anonymous | November 4, 2009 6:24 PM
Hey Annonymous,
American soldiers have found American made weapons in the hands of the Taliban--not from the Soviet era either. All kinds of weapons are floating around Annonymous. Purveyors of these weapons--death merchants circulate them for a price all over the world. Remember the Pakistani militants have been killing Indian soldiers in Kashmir and elsewhere. Just strip the dead bodies and take the weapons--that's how the Taliban gets American weapons too. You know what most Indians want the American companies out too. There is a new found confidence and insouciance among the Indians. If the Americans don't want to stay they'll manage the Indians on one meal a day and laugh off the Quit India movement on the part of the Americans. It is the American companies that will lose their cheap labor. Remember Annonymous the American corporations are not fools--the benefit goes both ways and won't work as a threat. So far you are failing miserably on the international diplomacy front. Keep trying--you may hit the right note. I am not a fan of the Ravens--I am a fan of Ravensfan! I hope that confuses you Annonymous!
Ravensfan Anon
Posted by: Anonymous | November 4, 2009 8:33 PM