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September 20, 2009

Scientology state HQ facing opposition

The planning commission in the affluent Atlanta suburb of Sandy Springs is opposing plans to turn a former office building into the Georgia headquarters of the Church of Scientology.

The commission doesn't have the authority to stop the project, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports, but its 3-2 vote against it is to be taken into account when the city council votes next month.

This caught our eye because we reported a story a couple of weeks ago about the difficulty large churches, synagogues and mosques are having winning municipal approvals for major expansions or new building projects. One imagines Scientology, being enduringly controversial, facing additional hurdles.

Federal law makes it illegal to discriminate against building projects over religious affiliations. But church builders say complaints about traffic, aesthetics and other issues are often a cover for hostility toward the faith to be represented.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution says 30 opponents attended the planning commission meeting last week. No one is quoted as having a problem with Scientology.

Read more at ajc.com.

Posted by Matthew Hay Brown at 1:00 PM | | Comments (20)
        

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The families in that area will be under their SP policy, if the mother and/or Father opposes the cult.

The Child will be forced to disconnect from his/her parents and look upon them as monsters because they oppose the cult.

That is just the beginning of the problems all families will face.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
SECURED PARTY CREDITOR

The extreme majority of Ex-Scientologists have already declared the Cult as a Godless, greedy and evil corporation.

Scientology has policy to "handle" this situation. They will bribe anyone necessary, and cheat, steal and lie, to get whatever they want.

Just look how they bought representative Jeff Stone, in Riverside, CA.

This organization has built a reputation as trying to push around the communities they move into. They have bent the rules with zoning and variances in many many cities and towns. Residents are more aware of this than they used to be.

In LA, they frequently close a public street for personal use. In Phoenix, they tried to establish a museum in a residential area without permission. In Hemet, they have tried to have a major road closed that runs by their property.

It's not the religion people object to, but the methods of the organization.

If this cult doesn't get its way through infiltration and subversion (Google "Operation Snow White"), it will pressure, sweet-talk and lie to the necessary people until they cave in. The Scientology cult is a vicious criminal organization. Far from being allowed into an area, they should be completely shut down. It's not about "belief" -- nobody cares what they believe -- it's about the rampant criminality of Scientology management. People, this is not just "some wacky cult" -- it's an international crime network. Please educate yourselves. http://www.xenu-directory.net

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Normandy
Project Normandy is the code name for a top secret Church of Scientology operation wherein the church documented its plans to take over the city of Clearwater, Florida by infiltrating government offices and media centers.[1]

A 1977 FBI raid on Scientology headquarters uncovered internal Church of Scientology documents marked "Top Secret" that referred to their secret operation to take over Clearwater as "Project Normandy." The document itself states its purpose is "to obtain enough data on the Clearwater area to be able to determine what groups and individuals B1 will need to penetrate and handle in order to establish area control."

Secret plans are being drawn up as we speak, private detectives are being hired to investigate the dissenting commissioners, and lawyers are getting retained to draft lawsuits. Since Scientology does'nt give any money to charitable causes it has a lot of money to spend on this stuff.

Don't go lumping the zoning issues Scientology in GA brought upon itself with other groups trying to expand their properties. Scientology bought that building before investigating what it was zoned for and how many parking spaces were allowed. It's a fairly new purchase, made in haste. They made their enemies in that neighborhood because of this.

As well you failed to mention this from the article:
"Residents, too, pledged to turn out in force when the matter heads to the City Council. More than 500 people have signed petitions, urging a denial of the rezoning because of parking and traffic problems. Sixteen of the city’s homeowners associations have also formally voted to oppose the rezoning.

“We are really glad that they recognized the problems, but we know that we will be back,” said Patty Burns, president of the Round Hill Condominiums, which sit across from the proposed church site."
This is not a religious matter. Anyone trying to do what Scientology has tried to do in that neighborhood would be treated equally.

You guys have no clue about the subject you are commenting on, or else are purposely spreading false rumors.

For those of you that actually are capable of thinking for yourselves, see here:
http://www.scientologymyths.info/

Listening to the people above posting hate sites is like listening to the Ku Klux Klan tell you about Jews.

Give me a break...

mary = $cilon

Criticizing Scientology for the scams
it pulls and the way it tries to terrorize critics into silence is
nothing like the KKK
attacking Jews. Scientology claims that people questioning it's misdeed are "bigots" who
use "hate speech". Is it bigoted or hate speech when people speak out against pedophilia in the Catholic church?

http://www.scientologymyths.info/ is a puff piece of a website run by Scientology, it excuses away some of Scientology's misdeeds and omits a great amount of them. A person can look
at it but they should'nt expect any answers, only obfuscations and misrepresentations. Look at both sides though, by all means.

Of all the comments it looks like Mary McConnell got it most right. Residents should be concerned with issues of parking, and traffic, and these are capable of being solved. Scientology and other churches have handled similar issues elsewhere by contributing to parking structures and working out sensible traffic handlings.

Milogh you made the most since on this post. There are many different religions with temples, mosc, churches, etc. This seems to be very reasonable in which the church can contribute parking structures.

All the other comments that speak negative about Scientology as a religion are pretty much discrimination. It reminds me of how Jews were treated as well Native Americans for their spiritual practices. American provided the greatest freedom for many when they allowed American to be able to practice their religion and spiritual practice in peace.

As a Jewish American I must state that even though this new religion is controversial it is in fact a religion. As Americans we should respect that even though we do not understand it.

To many Americans judge or accredit their knowledge of another culture / religion on the basis of "he said, she said" education. Rumors and ignorant behaviors should never be construed as knowledge of a subject and / or topic.

Milough, when I said other churches, I meant other than scientology .

Scientology "has never handled similar issues elsewhere by contributing" ANYTHING of merit to the situation or community. That's why communities are turning them down city after city. They are a selfish organization. Just ask the City of Clearwater, who are owed hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees owning by the scientology. Ask those who live there who are not scientologists.

That is not what the AJc article says!

17 homeowners have said they do not want anything in that building that will incrase traffic or cause parking problems. COS bought a building they could not use CASE CLOSED

Wow. I just had a look for info on having scientology for a neighbor.
Apparently, they close down whole blocks in Los Angeles for one or more weekends a month, require residents to provide drivers licenses, social security numbers and be photographed just to drive on their own street!
They were even caught on tape telling a 61 year, disabled lady she had to walk several blocks out of her way because they were had a permit to close the sidewalk. It was not only unconscienable, it was illegal!

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/22484/l-ron-hubbard-way

As a person who was at the zoning meeting I can assure you that the community and thusly the committee made their decisions based on the parking and traffic issues and not whatever personal issues individuals might have had. Excluding the Church of Scientology's torrid past ( Note: I say the Church of Scientology because there is nothing inherently wrong with the 'religion' of Scientology or believing in such things. It is the business that masquerades it's self as the Church of Scientology that is corrupt and cause of many questionable situations.) this is an issue on parking and traffic.

CoS's lawyer did far more to hurt their case than any person standing against CoS could have. They claim members will be carpooling at a rate of 3.2 people per car which would only warrant around 208 parking spaces ( less than there are currently available without the renovations suggested by CoS that will actually DECREASE the spaces.) The rate of carpooling in the Atlanta area is only a measly 1.4 people per car or so. Are we to believe that for some reason Scientologists are more eco-friendly and more likely to carpool? I don't think so.

The Church of Scientology boasts that it has membership in the millions and claims to be growing at a large rate. If they are growing so quickly even more spaces will be needed than the 208-238 recommended now. There is simply not enough space at this location for them then. The Church of Scientology should have thought about this before they decided to purchase this building for $5 million. For that much money they could have easily purchased a building that suited their needs already.

The Church of Scientology was completely uninterested in compromising with the committee and only wants things their way. If they wished to be part of the community of Sandy Springs so bad then they would know that with community relations come copious amounts of compromising. They have no one to blame but themselves for this denial.

The citizens of Sandy Springs have justified concerns for the traffic issues that could happen to their town if Scientology moves in:

- An already busy highway would be filled with many more vehicles

- The new building is located at a busy intersection, which already is filled with traffic

- Overflow parking would be all but guaranteed if the re-zoning passed with the items that Scientology wanted

- Scientology did not want to work with the city and add more parking spaces, or zone for a smaller space

The concerns that the citizens brought up are NOT bigotry of any sort, rather, they are concerns that would be brought up if any company or church tried to get the type of re-zoning that Scientology tried to get in this spot. Why is it OK to criticize any business for causing traffic issues, but not a church?

Maybe the citizens are concerned about what has happened to other towns with a significant Scientology presence. Read about what is happening to downtown Clearwater, FL:

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/18/Tampabay/Scientology_s_town.shtml

Traffic is truly a problem at that intersection of Glenridge and Roswell Rd. In addition, there have been more than a few accidents there.

The fact that at least 500 neighbors have signed petitions against the rezoning application due to concerns about parking and traffic seems to be the main point here.

Also, the building and grounds were not maintained for several years until recent attention was brought to the matter. This surely did not help Scientology's case.

Good neighbors want good neighbors.

For a newspaper whose motto (in the title graphic, even) is "light for all", there's not a lot of light to be seen in this article.

As Nonapologist said, good neighbors want good neighbors, and Scientology is not a good neighbor.

Never mind their various odious policies like harassment of critics, "disconnection", brainwashing, and the like, look at what they do to places they have any control over. Many of their orgs and missions (what they call major and minor Scientology facilities, respectively) are run down and poorly maintained, and they regularly flaunt the laws that all have to obey, "church" or otherwise.

The Atlanta Scientologists have already violated zoning laws by using the building in question for events for which it's not rated, why would anyone expect them to obey other laws?

Do you know of Lisa McPherson, of Operation Snow White or Operation Normandy?

I went to the meetings, and citizens from all over the area showed up, scientologists admitted to showing up in full force of memebers, recruiting others from OUT OF TOWN, to make it seem liek theres more in GA, Bob Adams, keep talknig about some "Great" religion, when all it sounded to me was like a cult, He mentioned, and so did a lady last time, about how they went and helped out at "9/11" and "Hurricane Katrina"..... THEY SHOWED UP THERE WITH NO SUPPLIES, NOT EVEN FOR THEMSELVES, JUST LITERATURE OF SCIENTOLOGY. they took food from the military depos and ate it and gave out their LEFTOVERS! THEY WERE TOLD BY THE GOVERNMENT TO GTFO BECAUSE OF THEIR ACTIONS! they dont help anyone, they hurt, when scientologist come to town, housing prices drop severely.

Also, a boy there, a protestor, was THREATENED, by one of these so called "humble people", who compare themselfes to Buddist. They have a law, "you can hurt anyone for a just cause" Sound very religious to you? That lil kid, was scared for his life, over something so meaningless, a badge that was given to him by a scientologist that they demanded back, or they would cause harm to him.

now does it seem like "no body" opposes them. your ignorant sir, you are ignorant. And if that lil boy ever gets hurt, you can turn to the scientologist, who will claim to know no knowledge of him, and you let those people into your neighborhood!

I am NOT a scilon. I am a long time ex-scilon. The post is above my name, not below it. Get yer eyes checked if needed, lol

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Matthew Hay Brown writes and blogs about faith and values in public and private life for The Baltimore Sun. A former Washington correspondent for the newspaper, he has long written about the intersection of religion and politics. He has reported from Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin America and the Middle East, traveling most recently to Syria and Jordan to write about the Iraqi refugee crisis.
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