Post @ permanent expulsion support representation conflict and contradiction Baltimore School District Parents/Stakeholders v. Parent Organization (PCAB)

As reported in the Inside Ed blog above by Liz Bowie finds it is very contradictory for the Parent Community Advisory Board (PCAB) not (PECAB) as printed in error, to be in conflict of not representing and supporting it’s own parents/stakeholders input and priorities against a proposed permanent expulsion regulation.

For the PCAB organization board members not to be in support of representing the parents/stakeholders of students in Baltimore City schools whom the current organization members are suppose to be representing is interesting contradictory and shows the PCAB board members being out of touch and not functioning to serve it's created purpose to represent parents education priorities and input outlined in senate bill SB795.

Parent’s priorities and input demands expose the school system proposed permanent expulsion regulation is absent and without inclusion of a more expanded fair and open multiple tiering appeals process.

And of these stellar examples of scholastic excellence... for how many could this outcome have been predicted by their teachers a year or five or even ten years earlier?

The issue is the lack of alternative placement for these students way back when a difference would have been easier to make.

Pay now folks... or pay later. And like losing weight it will never be easier to deal with it than it is NOW.

in loco parentis.

Arsonists learn by fire and should be taught lessons that take into account this particular kind of learning style. Let's put aside the stigma that arsonists have been given by insensitive people.

@I&EP - I miss your point,if you (parents) are against expulsion who cares what process is used. Defining a process denotes acceptance of the policy. Your are thereby guilty of the same contradiction as PCAB.

@MrR - consider this, last year 0.02% of the student population was affected by this policy. That means that 99.98% were made safer. So do we wring our hands over the 0.02% or celebrate the 99.98%?

Posted quote @ Over-The-Top

As reported by Liz Bowie for the record, in addition to parents not supporting the proposed permanent expulsion regulation.

The parents pointed out now in place based line evidence that the existing permanent expulsion regulation appeal process has flaws. You missed the point; the process was not being defined. "Confused And Uninformed You Are Don't Be."

OTT: When I see percentages used in lieu of actual raw numbers I immediately become suspicious.

In any case, my point extends beyond the 50 or so that qualify for this inglorious recognition and to the other sets of 50 and 500 that qualify for other recognitions.

And I don't mean this maliciously. I'd like to see some truly constructive programs that encompass the entirety of their lives far beyond merely the academic.

Acculturation is what I'm referring to. The norm for far too many is inadequate and downright antisocial. It needs to be addressed and in numbers far greater than a few dozen here and there.

Has there been another venue at which these "parents" are speaking out? I watched the Board meeting again and no parent addressed the Board. We talked earlier about the City School response system but since that is one way how would the public know what others are saying? Confused, I am.

Pay attention you can't watch this from your couch @ Over-The-Top Quote: Has there been another venue at which these "parents" are speaking out?

Notice of October 21, 2009 Board Forum

The Baltimore City Board of School Commissioners and the Parent and Community Advisory Board will hold a public forum on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 from 6:00 – 7:30 pm. The meeting will be held at the Dr. Alice Pinderhughes Administrative Building, Room 301, located at 200 E. North Ave., Baltimore, MD 21202.

•The purpose of this forum is to allow the Board of School Commissioners an opportunity to receive input from the school community on issues related to school safety, student conduct, behavioral interventions and student expulsion.

•Therefore, public comments will be taken during the meeting. Each speaker will be limited to ONLY three minutes.

•Interested participants may register to speak by completing the public comment sign-in sheet in its entirety. Registration will begin at 5:00pm in the lobby of the Dr. Alice Pinderhughes Administrative Building. Registration is on a first come, first serve basis and will close at 6:00pm.

I don't know what's more troubling--that the expulsion argument has to take place at all, or that the school board is as pedantic as they seem.

Let's try to make plain what the argument is. Some people on the school board don't want to expel students convicted of arson. Some people on the school board don't want to expel these students because it's supposedly unlawful. Isn't it really this simple? Why should we need any numbers at all to make credible any argument at all? If the law is absurd, it should be candidly disregarded by the board, thereby making it a case the government would have to appeal, rather than the other way around.

As a parent I do not agree with permanent expulsion. I am alarmed to hear this principal supporting permanent expulsions. Is this her way of not wanting to educate these children. Instead of her advocating for these children to get some help by being placed at an alternative educational program, she would rather see them put out on the streets to cause problems in our community. Children make mistakes, help them to correct their mistakes. Taking away their right for an education is not right. Parents should speak out about this situation.

If no other options are available (i.e. alternative placements), permanent expulsion does not seem unreasonable. Students need to learn that all actions have consequences. Right now, our system is telling them it is OK to misbehave as suspension doesn't happen unless you are a repeat offender. Don't think that students aren't playing this for all it is worth.

@Anoy - I&EP implied that there have been prior forums at which parents have spoken against the policy. Citing a future forum does not answer the question.

@CP - If you listen to what she said ,her focus was on the saftey of 1700 students not the emotional state of 2. The revised code of conduct list several levels of intervention, if they are being followed is another discussion.

Why wouldn't parents, students, the community and teachers support permanent expulsion? Last time I checked we as a nation support locking away adult "criminals" for many years and even giving them the death penalty. These adult criminals often started as children in this behavior. But you accept letting an arsonist, rapist, murderer, drug dealer stay in the same building as your child with no real consequence. Let's continue to reward parents for their bad parenting by returning their children to school to influence those that have been raised correctly. And if you as a parent are offended I really don't care. I am a teacher but I am also a parent of a Baltimore City student. I don't want criminals in school with my son putting his life and other children's lives in danger. Instead of pressuring the school system to reinstate these bad apples, why not invest in family counseling and parenting classes so you don't continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.

There was a meeting last night... did anyone attend? Or have our short attention spans turned again.

@ over the top

Sir/Madam,

"Obviously you did not get off the couch as was advised by Anonymous reply meeting notice post to inform and alert ask about the school system meeting per the advance notice above by Anonymous which you so easy dismissed?” Wow! You are not entitled to know about what was discussed if you had the means and were free to attend and failed to take in the public meeting.

“I question how can you complain about any thing if you won't sacrifice some of your own personal time and step up as a citizen to provide input at the school system policy level meeting?" What's the matter I hope you’re not scared of making public speaking comments in person. “If so don't be Champ.”

This goes out to the ignorant City Teacher who made such a comments I see why Baltimore City School Students are not learning because of teachers like you. I hope your son or daughter does not get into any trouble in school that would cause him to be permanently expelled and how would you feel. Thank You.

@Concerned Parent

Our sons and daughters wouldn't get into truoble in school because, um, we would raise them. Be concerned at home and not so much on this message board and you'll like the results.