I already had grown kids but I loved Clair Huxtable.
Her wry grin and humour were an inspiration to me.

Hi Denise, Thanks for that nomination. As I was writing, I was wondering how long it would take for a Clair Huxtable shoutout. Good one. Thanks. Z

Hi Z,

How about Norma Arnold on Wonder Years? I liked her. She wasn't perfect, but, that's why I liked her. Or Laura Petrie?

Two great ones. Yes. Z

I really did like Caroline Ingalls from Little House. She guided her children and was never harsh. She reminds me a lot of my mom. I can't remember any really harsh words, just loving guidance. She and Michael Landon seemed to have a great chemisty on-screen. Sadly he was taken too soon. I think he would have had a lot more to offer.

I think it is fun to compare these shows with the ones on currently. I have been watching the Modern Family. It is a hilarious show portraying a real-life modern family that I could picture today. The mother in that show is still very much like the mothers of TV shows past I think. She uses constructive criticism and in a humrous way guides everyone the way they should go. I find the show really interesting. I can see the need for a lot of humor in families with the stresses today. More mother's working and dealing with that pressure as well as raising a family. Many of the early mom's portrayed a non-working mom.

Wow, I think it will be fun to compare all of these mom's. I also liked Jane Seymour in Dr. Quinn Medicine woman too.

I definitely will have more to say on the fascinating mom's past and present. I wonder what future mom's will be like?

It is surprising how much the mom on "Modern Famioly" is like moms from previous decades. Z

Right now I can also think of the show Kate and Allie with Susan Saint James and Jane Curtain from SNL. They were very modern for that time period, raising teens, dating, working and trying to figure out how to work all of that. Possibly one of the first shows to portray mom's without husbands dealing with life.

Hi Z,

I also loved Little House on the Prairie. Still love watching it. I have loved Michael Landon since I was about 6 when Bonanza started. Caroline Ingalls reminds me of Michelle Duggar. They both have strong faith in God, and their calm, no nonsense manner of dealing with their life, children, husband. Just calm and peaceful.

My favorite Mom is Kate! She is real and what you see is what you get. No pretending going on there. Everyone should try to bring up 8 children for just a week before they write articles on who is your best-favorite Mom.

One of our regular bloggers here, Irene, has raised 8 children. And she did it without the help of TLC publicists, production assistants, body guards, baby sitters, etc.. So, maybe you should do just a little homework like taking two seconds to read one of the comments from another blogger before making an uninformed and mean-spirited generalization. The fact that you said what you did without reading makes me wonder if you are working for someone at TLC, which if true, is pathetic on your part. But for now, why don't just read Irene's comments, and then let us know if you were rude or not. Thanks. Z

Hi again Z,

I'm sure I will be back here many times today. Waiting for my husband to get up. He has a great tv memory. He was on Romper Room when he was little.

Last night, I was watching cnn's everyday heroes. Now, I know this woman is not on a tv series...but, how about Mrs.Budi Soehardi? The couple who started a home for orphans and have 48 kids, plus 3 (I think ) of their own. Take that Kate Gosselin! Ha!

*TJ* -

Thanks for that delightful post. I agree so much with all the moms that you picked. I loved the Partridge Family too. I could imagine being one of Shirley Partridge kids because they always seemed to have so much fun, traveling around in a psycedelic (? sp) bus like free-spirits. That would have been a dream life. Yet, Shirley Partridge was always there to break-up fights with her younger son and her older son when Danny was bothering him or give her teen daughter some advice on life. Great pick!

Z, glad you are rested and ready to go, I think we are too!!

tj wrote regarding Harriet Nelson: "Her real
life children were kept out of the family show until they were older, not
drug in as soon as they were born."
Not true! David & Ricky were in the very first episodes and every episode thereafter with about 2 dozen episodes where they were absent in the later seasons. If they had been babies, they would have been part of the show just as Lucy's baby was in 'I love Lucy'.

The Nelsons were the real David and Ricky. But I have to check on Lucy's child. I thought someone other than the real child was used. I'll check. Thanks. Z

How about Jane Wyatt, who played Margaret Anderson on Father Knows Best? She was always sweet and dealt with her husband and kids in a calm manner. She didn't play favorites or think Bud was icky.

Hey zloggers. It is 26 days until Christmas, the tree is up in my house. I was young when I had my 1st set of children, always in a hurry hurry rush rush. Well, in our family we have a 2 year old now. Trent is all about finding out about the world. As 39 year old mom, I got to savor the sweetness of his really looking at the tree, which in his eyes was the 1st Christmas tree he can remember. Trent broke a couple ornaments, put 3 ornaments on one branch, tried to help my husband screw the tree into the stand....ya'll I am so very blessed.

Anyway, Tj I love the Walton's and Little House on the Prairie. Those moms put family 1st. And, they did it without a grudge, sigh, or as much as a complaint. I remember an episode where Ma Walton was making popcorn balls with the kids. Oh and who can forget Caroline after all the pestering Nellie Olsen gave her, she helped Nellie get that restaurant going.....LOL...

THIS IS FUN!

Some of my other picks are:

Knot's Landing~ I pick Abby Ewing. She brought kids to her marriage with Mr Ewing. He accepted them and all that woman did was...Oh wait a minute we are starting to see how TV ended up with a real life Abbey...Only Kate hasn't even went down the remarriage lane yet.

Seventh Heaven~ Annie. Now that is a mom that could multi task any 60 minutes & juggle kids, homework, sports, husband, problems...Wow!

Murphy Brown~ The baby out of wedlock. This is why it is my favorite. Dan Quayle from Indiana made a rude comment about it. It was the 1st time TV & Politics were introduced to me simultaneously . I sit here typing remembering how my dad helped me connect the dots & help me understand. Wow dad..sure miss you glad you showed up today! :-)

Family Ties~ now that mom had kids with all kinds of personalities. I wonder how a mom can handle that. I have that same thing with my 8 and it is hard hard hard.

Who's the boss? That mom started the mom gets high powered job...what do you do with the kids? Hire a guy to move in and be a nanny. LOL....

Last but not least for me is
The Facts of Life~This show showed me about moms in the untraditional sense. I grew up in an awesome Rural Indiana town. I had relatives, neighbors and friends to mentor me, along with great parents. Anyway, the Facts of Life dorm mom, Edna, reinforced that I was blessed to be raised with so many moms. That moms come in all types of packages in our lives. Do we embrace them? Love them for how they treat us & not what they materially give us....

Man, Zloggers, thanks the best is yet to come for this zlog!

Wow, Irene, thanks so much. Great memories and insights. Thanks for bringing in some of your life as mom of 8. And yes, to Murphy Bronw and no to Dan Quayle. Yes, that is TV and politics head to head. perfect. We are up and running again here at z on tv thanks to bloggers like you. Z

Keith Thibodeaux played little Ricky on I love Lucy. Now Lucy's real children were on her later show, The Lucy show. But, they were teens by that time.

I think another actor was used to represent RIcki and Lucy's son in "I Love Lucy". They had an actor play the part of their son on camera. Found this link, down toward the end it says a set of five different actors played the part of little Ricki including a set of twins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Lucy

Sally, welcome to Z on TV.

In the good spirit I am today, I just want to invite you to spend some time on the blog.

My name is Irene. I am from South Mississippi. I married, work and have 8 children. 5 children will be in college in 2011.

Everyone please have a Blessed Holiday season & please join us on the blog when you can.

June Lockhart on Lassie. Oh, I loved Lassie. We had a collie when I was little. We also had a shetland pony and that Collie would bite the pony. Jeff and Timmy were so lucky to have Lassie. And, that show also had Gramps on it...extended family. The Mom ( I cannot remember her name ) was always thoughtful and kind to everyone including Jeff's friend Porky.Gosh, that was a long time ago.

tj, loved your recap. I posted this earlier on the other poll. So adding it here.

My three all time favorites, Donna, June and Harriet. I agree with Z, that the Nelson boys played themselves. However, Little Ricky Ricardo was played by another child.

I would like to add a couple more of my favorites. Abbey Bradford, from Eight is Enough. Career woman, wife and step-mom to eight. Being a step-mom to one is a challenge, can't imagine eight and a career to boot. Another one of my favorites was the ever patient Kate Lawrence (Family) mother to Nancy, Willie and "Buddy" and wife to Doug. I think Kate even tackled some difficut issues like depression.

Elyse Keaton (Family Ties). Just because I like Meredith Baxter Birney.

More recently, Debra Barone (Everyone Loves Raymond). A mother to a daughter, twin boys and mama's boy husband. And meddling in-laws right across the street. Loved how she handled Ray.

Almost forgot. Will Robinson's mom Maureen (Lost in Space) played by June Lockhart. Very classy, smart, patient mom. June Lockhart also played Timmy Martin's adopted mom in Lassie, another SAHM.

Yes, on Elyse Keaton from "Family Ties." meredith Baxter was great in that 1980's hit. Thanks. Z

Little Ricky Ricardo was played by a set of twins for the first few years (Michael and Joseph A. Mayer), and was portrayed in the last season by another actor (Richard Kieth). Neither Lucie nor Desi Jr ever appeared on the show I Love Lucy.

You've already listed several fine examples. I always enjoyed The Waltons and Little House on the Prairie.

Kate Gosselin is probably most like Lois Wilkerson, the mother on Malcolm in the Middle. Someone angry who doesn't like how their life turned out and takes it out on all those around them. They share other traits such as well. Certainly not mom of the year either one of them.

I"m not sure who'd I'd nominate to be mom on TV.

Aunt Bee on Andy Griffith Show though not technically his mom or Opies did a good job I think although her role on the show was not as large as some of the other actors she always did come across motherly to them with genuine forgiveness and love.

Louise Jefferson on The Jeffersons also was a great mom. She was George's conscience. She also was loving and accepting of Lionel and his decisions over George's zebra comments. (Olivia Jefferson, George's mother was more like Kate, no one ever did anything good enough for her)

Aunt Bee -- wow. Yes, why not? I loved her when I was a kid. Louise Jefferson, good choice as well. She gets points just for putting up with George. Thanks for the names on Little Ricky. Z

@ Sally |10:40 AM

You should go back and read some of Irene's posts. She has eight children. And I think she sounds like a terrific mom. But the topic is TV Moms.

Thank you, your comment led me to go back and point out to Sally what an uninformed, rude and incorrect comment she wrote. Thanks so much for alerting me. The fact that Sally did not read any of Irene's comments before posting makes me think she might be working for the sneaky, dishonest and inept TLC PR operation. Z

Kate McCoy on 'The Real McCoys' was a step-mom to her husband, Luke's neice and nephew Hassie and Little Luke. Kate McCoy kept that family grounded which was hard to do with Granpa and Pepino and their hair brain schemes. She made Hassie and Little Luke study and get good grades and she disciplined them, when Granpa would not. She could see first hand how important discipline and education were since niether her hubby nor Granpa could read (though later in the show Luke did learn to read, much to the disdain of Granpa!) "What in tarnation is that woman doing, Luke? George and me gonna play a game of checkees!" Ha Ha

Oh, wow, we are going back now. I remember, though, watching as a kid. Thanks. Z

favorite tv mom was the little house on the prairie mom

favorite mom's in the real world are those that spend countless hours, days, months and years in the children's oncology clincs and hospitals helping care for their critically ill chilren - Those are the real life mom's that deserve recognition.

Great comment, Dana. Thanks. Z

Mine? Laura Rosslin from Battlestar Gallactica. Though not a mother in the literal sense, she manages her terminal illness and defers romance while working tirelessly to hold the entire human race together and find them a home. Now that's motherhood!

Great one, Churl. I love the way you expanded the definition. And I have to agree. Z

Sorry about the Anonymous | November 29, 2009 11:57AM. I keep forgetting to type my name.

Irene, Annie from 7th Heaven is a good one. Her house was always open. I also like Natalie Lane from the Patty Duke Show. Identical cousins and teen-agers. She had her hands full.

No problem with the name. The comments are always excellent. Z

Lisa,

Love, love, love the Real McCoys. Don't know how I forgot Kate. One of my favorite theme songs too. "Then there's Luke who leaped with joy since he made Kate, Mrs Luke McCoy." Kate surely had her hands full with GranPappy Amos.

You do realize that Kate Gosselin is a real mother while the ones you comment on are characters created as representatives of different time periods? But if I had to pick one, it would be Roseanne Connor.

Hi, Yes. that is why there are quotation marks around the word "real" in the headline. That is also the irony of it. We are trying to deconstruct reality Tv here whenever we can while still having some fun with TV. But Roseanne is a good pick for my money. Thanks. Z

Let's not forget Samantha Stevens. She was the polar opposite of Kate in the witch category. She was a loving mom and wife who never abused her powers, her kids OR her husband.

This is a fun topic to think about Z, just what we needed after the last months of dealing with Kate, the Anti-Mom. My first favorite Mom that I can remember was Donna Reed. When I was a little girl in the 60's when my friends and I played "house" we actually played that we were Donna Reed. Fun memories. As far as a more recent Mom, my favorite is Jill Taylor of Home Improvement. I really thought she was a realistic Mom and wife.

Diane, Father Knows Best. WOW! Another great one. And it was really mother Margaret who knew best. How funny.

Ruth Martin was the mom played by June Lockhart on Lassie.

This is a great topic. Brings back wonderful memories of sitting around our black and white tv with mom, dad and siblings. No worries about language and content on the old shows.

@ Sally |10:40 AM

I agree Kate is a role model, if your trying to be Lucille Bluth. Who by the way was an amazing TV character, just not a good Mom.

A slight digression, but I finally got a chance to see Modern Family since ABC canceled Hank and while I heard good things, I was surprised how great this show is.

Hi Matt, Not a digression at all. I think it is a terrific show, and wanted to hear what folks did think of the main mom in that shopw. Actually, we have several different and interesting representation of motherhood in the show. Thanks. Z

Sally, Please go back and read Irene's post, she is a "real" mom of eight. She does not travel all around the country like Kate while her kids are at home with a babysitter. She takes pride in raising a large family. If you read her post you will see how much she enjoys her family.

The mom on Home Improvement, Patricia RIchadson. I liked that show. She seemed like she was a good mom to her three sons on that show. She was not afraid to talk to them about issues of growing up.

Churl,

I loved it. That is a great example. Most of us mom's feel like we are trying to hold the whole world together at one time or another. I am sure that we have gained a lot of knowledge from our own real-life moms, as well as some great pointers from TV mom's that we can apply to our own lives. That is what makes this so much fun. That was funny Churl.

I wish we could find one good thing to compare with Kate Gosselin a "real" mom on TV, but it seems like she got lost somewhere along the line and disappointed us.

I think the reason that Modern Family is so great it because it does depict several different ways that a family could become a family in this modern world. There are to two guys raising an adopted daughter. There is the mom played by Julie Bowen and she adds humor to the mother role, and then there is the blended family with an older dad and a younger wife raising a child. This is a great combination and hilarious while it is portraying all of this. The dad was hilarious in the last episode I saw not wanting the son to have a girls bike and where it goes from there. He actually ends up stealing the bike wanting to teach the son a lesson and I can still picture the dad riding down the street on the kids bike. This show really rivals Seinfeld it is too funny. The cinematography is better though and kind of an interview-type setting.

GREAT GREAT post.

I wish there would have been a TV show about my Mom. She too raised 8 kids, me being the 7th of 8. She stayed at home, provided for us unselfishly and never complained. She stayed with my father for 60 years and until death took them away from each other and each of us, she was the queen of our hearts.

My last words to her were three days before Christmas, just four years ago and I talked to her every night prior to that, just to check on her. The night before she died, suddenly, I was fortunate to hear her voice and tell her I loved her. She told me she loved me too as we ended our telephone conversation.

There will be no shows about her, no buildings or bridges named after her and unfortunately, the world will never know what a wonderful and giving person she was. My Father died 9 months later of a broken heart and he spent those 9 months talking about her and staring at her picture each and every day. That's the type of Mom that television will never share with an audience.

The type of mother that TLC tried to portray in Kate Gosselin or Hollywood tried to put in front of us were not real, not loveable and not someone you would want to spend a holiday with.

Growing up in a household with 7 other siblings was loud, fun, close, sometimes bickering but we learned to treat each other with respect, manners and never the way we witnessed the Gosselin group treat each other.

I think about my Mother every day and never have a negative memory. Her words, her advice, her example and her memory are my guiding light.

Thanks so much, Kelly. This is very moving -- a lovely testament to your mom. Thanks. Z

uh, The Real McCoy theme goes- "Luke BEAMS with joy since he made Kate Mrs Luke McCoy". He beams with joy not leaps with joy. ha ha
I watch my VHS tapes of that show every evening to calm me down after watching the news so i know the theme by heart!

Thank you, Z, for including my musings in a new post. I am really honored. There are just too many TV Moms to mention all of them but everyone is chiming in with the rest. This is Great!!!!!!!!!!

As for the Nelson boys comment, I meant to clarify that the Nelson family had a radio show before the TV show. On the radio show, the boys did not perform there until Ricky was around 8 years old. They had child actors for Ricky and David's parts before that.
For Leanne and Sally, I do know that Kate is a real person. She has many real qualities, such as she is a real mean Mom, a real big agenda to be on TV anyway she can, a real problem with loving her children unconditionally and raising them to be the best they can, a real gold(en plate) digger, a real user of anyone and everyone to further herself. I could go on, but my real life is calling me.

Take care all and have a great day.

Thank you, tj. Your post is great. I was going to say much the same thing you did about Nelsons: That they waited until kids older. Also, it was a very different time in American life. More innocent -- TV and otherwise. As for 'real,' the headline signals that clearly enough. I think Sally was just trying to cause trouble on behalf of TLC. Thanks again for this great post. You see how much the regular bloggers loved it -- and they are right to do so. Thanks. Z

The thought that Roseanne Connor would be considered someones favorite TV mom is shocking! She and her husband fought contantly and bickered and undercut each other in every show. They raised their kids to be foul mouthed, self centered brats who showed absolutley no respect for their parents. I think Jon & Kate Gosselin must have watched that Tv show as they would bicker in front of the kids just like the Connors did. Roseanne would brag about not cooking for her family and when they ate it was always fried food or fast food or pizza. Plus their both being morbidly obese, I believe could almost be considered child abuse. The 3 kids were actors of course so were slim, but if Roseanne and her husband on the show had actually had the kids they would have been obese as well.
---On a separate note since we seem to be comparing the Gosselins with TV parents. ...

Phoebe, I edited out your comments about Jon because you offered no evidence, and we do not print rumor here, especially when it sounds like the kind of thing TLC is putting out to trash Jon. He is a loser in so many ways, but we do not slander here -- even when it involves someone of whom we disapprove. We operate by the standrads of jouirnalism. I will be happy to preint what yopu say about Jon if you can offer any evidence -- perhaps, a picture with a photo credit by the photographer. And I have to disagree about Roseanne. Z

Lisa,

I stand corrected. I guess that means, I don't love them as much as I thought. Darn! Time for me to GAL.

Michelle Duggar is the best mom on TV right now. She does have a supportive husband also.

While not every family has the resources the Duggars do, they are a family to admire.

Leann at 12:29, I think so much of the animosity towards the Kate Gosselin is that she is, in fact, not much of a real mother. At least when the cameras aren't on her. By all reports, she has nannies (plural) who do most of the childcare. Unlike most moms, she has servants to cook, clean, do the laundry and watch/feed/dress/bathe the kids. Sources say these servants do 95% of the child care in that house. The kids are said to be afraid of her violent outbursts. So, yeah, Kate is technically a real mother, but behaves more like a manager or lion tamer with those kids. And she is anything but ideal, no matter how desperately hard TLC tries to make her so

One Mom that comes to mind is Bea Benadaret. She played a single mom with three daughters to raise, an unemployed uncle under foot and a hotel to run.
The woman was a saint.
Also, Pat Crowley in Please Don't Eat the Daisies.
My own mother was raising 10 kids, but I always wanted a t.v. mom. (I was the middle child and always wanted the special attention I didn't get. The best episode of The Brady Bunch was the "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia". I totally got it.
P.S. Kate, my best friend is from a family of 13 kids, so suck it up already.

tj

Please do not let Sally throw you. She obviously did not read the article that you and Z posted. If she did she would have known the post was about "TV " moms. I loved your's and Z post tj, I got me nostalgic about all the past TV moms.

Kelly that was a very nice story. I hope that I can be at least half as good a mom as my mom was. I grew up in a more innocent time and my mom did not work outside of the house. I hope that I do get a lot the values that I show my kids from my mom. And I think we all have memories of TV moms that we think about when we raise our kids. I think it would have been delightful to grow up in a family with eight like you and Irene's family. I was an only child and it was somewhat lonely. I was determined to have more than one child, but I wanted to raise my girls the way my mom and dad raised me.

Thanks everyone, for for the wonderful stroll down memory lane.
It also emphasized the difference between quality tv and the "realist" of the reality shows.
A REALITY where children were (I hope the past tense is correct) showed being abused and neglected in REAL life, on national television, as they were trying to navigate their very young lives.
It amazes me that anyone cannot see where all the anger and outrage is coming from.
After a great Thanksgiving with my famjily, the following came to mind.
With apologies to the late, great Janis Joplin,
I dedicate this to Katie Irene Gosselin:

Oh kids, won't you buy me a mercedes benz,
The paps all drive porsches and I have no friends,
I use them then toss them, it's one of my trends,
So kids, won't you buy me a mercedes benz.

Oh kids won't you buy me a house on the beach,
This house was forever, now it's time to leave.
I drove out your father, it's too big for me,
So kids won't you buy me a house on the beach.

Oh kids won't you buy me a night on the town,
You paid for my boobs now, I must show them around.
Prove that you love me and buy me a gown.
Oh kids, won't you buy me a night on the town.

Thanks everyone.

I try to learn a lesson of some sort everyday of my life. Something I picked up on today is we are trying to move forward, and some would want keep us in the past if only to create spin & do some publicity rehabilation work.

The posts are awesome and insightful. I have to admit Zloggers, that I am just glad we can move on. I was afraid after Jon & Kate Series finale we would lose things to talk about. You guys are terrific & I and I want to steal a line from Forest Gump, "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get."

Kelly~ thanks for the testimony about your mom. All I can say is ~ Ditto.

There were times when I look back on my childhood now and think of how a television show applied to everyday life. I will never forget my dad & his chuckles over somethings on Family ties or Cosby.

Hi Irene, You were terrific today in helping us stay on track. I guarantee we will nto run out of stuff to talk about. I have a post almost written on President Obama going on Tv too much instead of governing. That is tonight or first thing Monday. I also have a post in my head about how reality TV has crossed a very dangerous line. And about a dozen more are lined up and ready to go. So, thanks again for all your gereat blogging today. Z

Tv mom's...I think I go more for the middle class more snarky but honestly loving dysfunctional family types..my favorite being Roseanne, and to some extent even Lois (Jane Kaczmarek-she's a heck of an actress) from Malcom in the Middle (although I luv the father character Hal better). However, I agree with the person above who mentioned that mother (step mother) from Eight is Enough...that was a good choice too.

But as young one, I always loved Shirley from the Partridge Family...how cool was she. And even though the Brady Bunch was a favorite , I didn't care for Carol Brady as she was just too sweetly phony hip wannabee for my taste.

But as others also have mentioned,I always loved Ma and Grandma Walton (and that series)...and then on the cartoon end of the spectrum....well of course there is Lois from The Family Guy (more dysfunction).

I never really thought much of the June Cleavers or Laura Petries of the tv mother world,...maybe because I was so so little when they were on and my own loving wonderful mother and loving large family were just worlds removed from them and the life they potrayed on tv. Anyway...interesting topic...interesting commentary and choices.

Hi, Thanks for the context on snarkier moms, and I liked Roseanne, too. Z

Did anyone mention One day at a time? That mom had to make do with what she had and forge a life despite her predicament. It exposed single parenting for the good, bad, ugly and reality of choices moms had to make. I thought it was alos a precursor to the Child support issues that were hush hush on television up until then.

Ann Romano (Bonnie Franklin) was the mom in that fabulous show. I loved it. And she had to put up with Schneider to boot. Great one, Irene. And groundbreaking with the single parenting issue, too. You are right. How about the actress who played the daughte, Mackenzie Phillips. Very troubled life as a teeanger when she was on that show. Z

I just saw Mackenzie Phillips in an interview with Larry King the other night. I think she has a book out about her life and her father. She had a very troubled life during the run of that show.

I watched that show a lot growing up. Ann Romano and the funny reationship with the apartment super made that show funny. It dealt with a lot of teen girl issues even alcohol and teen sexuality. I almost forgot about that show Irene. I liked Valerie Bertinelli too. She is a mom of an only child.

Can't think of a favorite current mom off the top of my head, but Laura Petrie and Donna Reed ROCKED! And Donna Reed again as Mary in "It's a Wonderful Life", if we can pick a movie mom too. :)

Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday!

One of my all time favorite shows is Roseanne. That cast was probably one of the best ever created . And not for nothing, but Roseanne was 1000x "realer" than K8's "realist reality show". There was even an episode where Beaver's mom, Lassie's "mom", Louise Jefferson and the Wonder Years mom visited Roseanne because they were not happy with how she was handling her role as mom. Great episode!

And, someone beat me to it, but L"ouisey" Jefferson ROCKED. Talk about unchartered territory !

Last but not least, I loved Carol Brady !

Re- Jon's hiring photographer/body guard...

Hi Phoebe, Thanks for following up. But that is not a trsutworthy site. Items like that can be planted by publicists, and then it gets circulated when posted on journaloistic sites like this. That is why I do not post things like that unlkess verified. Thanks. Z

P.J.

Bea Benadaret starred in Petticoat Junction and worked at the Shady Rest Hotel. Another good show.

I too, liked the Marcia, Marcia, Marcia episode of the Brady Bunch. I'm not the middle but the second of five. Four girls and one boy (he's the baby). I wasn't the oldest not the youngest not really the middle and not the only. I thought that made me unspecial. Our dad died the day after mom's 40th birthday and she never remarried. We were all teen-agers at the time and mom was a traditional SAHM. But she managed to pull it together and get some of us through college and others in the military. And we all survived. We have great memories of our parents. Even the ones where they were strict. The episode of Jon taking the kids fishing reminded me so much of our dad. He would close up his shop and pile the station wagon with kids and fishing poles and drive to Port Clinton. Once I cried because I hadn't caught a fish, and he wouldn't leave until I had a catch. I finally caught the biggest fish of the day and it was very dark by then.

So nice to read about some of your moms. I love large families. I had hoped to have 12 children of my own someday. Eleven "icky" boys and one girl. But, it wasn't in God's plan for me. LOL, I have one terrific son and one beautiful step-daughter.

REPLY to: Pheobe | November 29, 2009 3:20 PM

Phoebe, I have to disagree with you on the Roseanne Connor comments.

That show was never to show a glamorous or fake mom & dad. And, the snobs among us probably would say "I would never associate nor want a neighbor like the Connors". But, the truth is, the Connors way of raising kids and living within their means is probably the majority of families these days.

Both parents were hard workers and the mother still got home to cook dinner. She might have been crabby of course, but I think she showed her affection for her kids in many ways. She was a wise-cracking woman and so were her children. The parents made plenty of mistakes and so did the kids. She and her husband bickered, but I thought they agreed much more than not. But, bottom line was they all loved each other and showed it in different ways to one another. Even the warring teen sisters took blame from one to the other.

I was never a fan of Roseanne Barr, and when the Roseanne show started, I didn't watch it right away. But, I began watching and found the whole family fascinating in character studies.

Phoebe, every mother can't and doesn't go around in pearls and skirts and high heels (or with cameras following). Most mothers juggle jobs, child-care and husband nurturing. The job is sometimes a thankless one and I think that ROSEANNE show exhbiited how thanks doesn't have to be verbally shown every single time.

Just remembered.. one episode of ROSEANNE, they had the moms from the old sitcoms as guest stars and they were all appalled at how Roseanne Connor mothered and what she got away with. It was good.

Hi P.J. - Bea Benaderet played Kate Bradley on Petticoat Junction. I loved that show (good old Uncle Joe and the Shady Rest Hotel)! Now that was a Kate who knew how to be a good mom. Thanks for the memory!

To Sally,

My father and step mother have 10 children, and that's excluding the children from both of their first marriages. If included they would have a combined total of 15. Then my mother and step father have 6 children excluding the children from first marriages. If included there would be 11.

There is a bit of an age gap between the children of the first marriages and he children of the second marriages, but that doesn't mean it has been any less difficult raising all of us. And no one in my family had any help from television networks. My parents just worked hard and devoted themselves to giving all they could to their children.

They never insult us, or treat us poorly, they never yell at us, especially not in front of other children, and they ever insult each other. Not once during my parents divorce to remember either one ever bad mouthing the other or being unreasonable with each other. Even to this day they remain cooperative, polite, and on great terms with each other. They even live on teh same street. They have a mutual respect for each other and they would never dream of behaving like two starving savages fighting over the last banana like Kate and Jon seem to be doing.

As for TV moms- I like Claire from the Cosby Show. She was smart, loving, funny, and always treated her kids with respect, even when they made bad decisions.

I have to say Roseanne. She was real and she loved her kids. Her sarcasm reminds me of me and her relationship with Dan was sincere and loving.

Doris Day? Can't forget her and the best mother of them all . . . Laura Petrie.

Great post, TJ.
I'm proud to join the Zloggers. GREAT GROUP!

SherryT -- When I was about 9 I wanted my entire family to call me "Tracy." It was because I WANTED TO BE TRACY PARTRIDGE!

I want to nominate IRENE for best zlogger mommy!

I second that, Tracy. Oops, I mean, Kippie. Really, though, there is something profound about identifying that way as a kid with a TV character. I did it, too. There is a book, "Imaginary Social Worlds," by John Caughey, an American Studies professor at the University of Maryland, that shows how it happens with quite a few viewers -- and it can be a good thing. Z

Hop Sing!
Best TV MOM ever!!

(okay, just joking)

Hi Irene - I just wanted to say Happy, Happy birthday to a really great BBF today Monday November 30th.

Remember Zloggers who zlog together get to the bottom of it together.

Thanks Irene for keeping all of us zloggers on track, you are the best.

Hi Irene, Happy birthday from me as well. You are so important to this blog, and I cannot thank you enough. Z

The other wonderful mom on TV was from the Gilmore Girls. Lauralie Gilmore was a 16 year old mom who worked hard and fought for her independence from her family and raised an intelligent loving daughter. I loved that show and it had it's quirkiness but it really showed a mother daughter relationship. Z I love your blog, I feel when I read your blog I am in a college classroom discussing the sociology on TV and the effects on our society. The best part is the way everyone respects others opinions. I don't post often but I read this blog constantly. Thank you Z for your continued work in bringing interesting topics to discuss and allowing opinions without rudeness.

Oh definitely on "The Gilmore girls." What a great show, and what a great relationship between the mom and daughter. Excellent show. Thanks to the comments, I am remembering some great characters like this one. Yes, this mom gets a place near the top of the list. Thanks. Z

Kippie,

I second Irene for the best mommy zlogger!

And I always wanted to be Laurie Partridge. I wonder what happened to Susan Dey?

Maybe I should start another post asking what Tv character people wanted to be. PS You have to third the nomination, Sherry. I already seconded Kippie's nomination of Irene. Ha. Z

This is a cartoon mom, but we have Wilma Flintstone. So the character on the Simpson's, the mom Marge.

Wow the movie "The Dog Named Christmas" was a good story, I watched it last night.

Z,

Oh sorry, I missed your 2nd nomination, great then I *3rd* Irene for best zlogger mommy. Do I hear a 4th?

I am not awake yet. But, I am going to go back and read all the new comments. I am loving this TV mom post Z.

Hi Sherry, I was kidding. I think you were ahead of me. Z

Good Morning Zloggers!

Thanks for all the Happy Birthday wishes and nominations. You zuys are the best BBF's anyone can ask for.

Love the comments. Yes, marieE I remember that episode of Roseanne with the TV moms of the past.

Also, TSmommy welcome and my teenagers love the Gilmore girls.

I just remembered Judging Amy. I watched every season and every episode. The mother/daughter relationship on both generational fronts. Wow...some many shows in my T.V. box.

Thanks again guys...Have an awesome day!

Here's the fourth (if I'm not too late) to nominating Irene "Best Zlogger Mom".

Happy Birthday, Irene. I hope you have a wonderful day.

Sherry, I started not to watch "The Dog Named Christmas", so glad I did. Loved it. It may become my new favorite Christmas movie.

TJS, I agree with you on Lauralie Gilmore. Loved her independence from her parents, her quirkiness and the whole mother/daughter interaction. And ditto on your comment to Z, "I feel when I read your blog I am in a college classroom discussing the sociology on TV and the effects on our society." I'm learning alot here and its so civil.

One of the TV characters I wanted to be was Patty Lane from the Patty Duke Show. I wasn't a teen-ager at the time, but I always wanted to be a twin. My mom use to dress my older sister and I alike (we're 11 months apart) and people couldn't tell us apart. But my sister put a stop to it, when a teacher mistook her for me and she got in trouble and was wrongly punished for being late for class. Classic Patty Lane, but we were in elementary school.

Finallyover,

That movie "The Dog Named Christmas" could very well become my favorite too. Z, I'm glad you add that little TV guide. I saw that show listed. It was really good. Hallmark channel has some good programming. Poor little Christmas when he ran after that cougar I though he was not coming back. Christmas always manaaged to come home. Even when he was taken back to shelter. A cashier I talked to yesterday when I got groceries said her cat came home after a whole year. Reminds me of the book "The Incredible Journey".

Thanks Finallyover glad you enjoyed that too!

Best Mom when I was young was the Mother on Lassie. She was gentle, understanding and strong when she had to be. Later it was Mom on Little House. She was strong and understanding and knew how to talk to children. Last was Clair on Cosby show, she was loving and not a push over and also could talk to her children.

Reading the comments just shows how influence we are as a society by TV. Albeit they were character Moms the ones from the past showed class and character. That being said, I really beleive things need to change about whats being put on TV. These reality shows are not contributing to a better society. There were many great "Mom" on tv and also friends, neighbors and family I admired growing up. The moms of the 50's and 60's were so wholesome, and The Cosbys, Home Improvement showe more how to be a great mom and have a career. We definately do not have enough of that on TV today. Marlo Thomas was doing an interview the other day and said they werent allowed to say pregnant on TV, oh how things have changed.

kad,

I agree a lot has changed from those innocent TV lives in shows like Leave It To Beaver. I can say though that somethings have not really changed as much. I re-watched an episode of Modern Family yesterday in some free time and the mom on that show is still concerned that her son was not ready for a new bike because he spilled something on her computer etc. She was trying to convince the father who was determined to get his son the new bike. She was still acting in the typical mom role that we saw in a lot of the old TV shows.

Then the scene with the two guys who are the parent's of the adopted baby. Granted while that would not have been portrayed on the older TV shows they still shows concerns that all parent's have about the development of their child. They wanted to baby to be as talented as the next baby so the father took steps to ensure that happended. It was quite funny " I stole the intellectual property of another child". It was a funny moment. This show reflects the culture we live in today, but the mom seems to remain the constant. I think that says something about TV values.

Even the couple with the blended family in the end the father showed compassion for the son Manny who was missing his birth father in the episide.

It is a good show.

Patricia Neal who played Ma Walton on the original move, The Homecoming, A Christmas Story.

Irene, I was just thinking of Judging Amy and then I read your post.

That mother/daughter dynamic was great. Tyne Daly was the epitome of a real mother. She had a career, opened her home to her daughter and grandaughter and her son even came home to roost. Each member of that family had their own problems and the mother tried to help them all. She wasn't always successful and at times showed how hurt and even grudgeful a person can be. She even let it be shown how a parent can be truly disappointed in a child, yet still be there for support.

But, she was definitely the glue that held that family together.

PS.. Happy birthday to Irene!

Hi Z,

Irene, Happy Birthday! Enjoy yourself!

finallyover, I think you and I are probably close to the same age. I am 1 of 6 kids...2nd oldest and oldest girl. I have a sister that is 11 months younger than me. Because of our birthdays, we were always in the same grades at school. I hated that!

I also would have liked to be Patty Lane or maybe, I just wished that my sister was not actually my sister but, my cousin. We didn't get along very well. I think that is why I spaced my kids out. 5 yrs. between the older 2 and 3 1/2 between the last 2. I just think babies need as much time alone with their parents as they can get.

On another note, how about Peggy Bundy? She was not your typical sahm. She didn't cook, clean or work. And, she did watch Oprah while eating bon bons. LOL. They were not always nice to each other. But, Peggy loved Al and if anyone tried to mess with Kelly or Bud, then Peggy was going to try and help.

I also liked Roseanne. She was real, not fake.

Kad you are so completely passionate about what you are saying and it comes across in your post.

My kids love television. I find many times in my house my kids watching a rerun of Roseanne, Gilmore girls, and that makes me happy. I do wish sometimes we had never created Reality Television but then I think of the Carrie Underwood's of American Idol that would not be. So it is a double edge sword. I think the key is we need to get back to telling our kids no to some of the filth on television. Then companies would surely clean it up on television more cuz they are there to make money!

Thanks marieE.

Glad to see so many zloggers checking back in. I hope ya'll had a great weekend.

Diane I love Married with Children. That mom was a hoot!

Hi Z and Zloggers,

Marjorie Lord in Make Room for Daddy. I wanted to be Linda....Angela Cartright. I liked Rusty, too. Too bad about him. And, the mother on Dennis the menace, Alice played by Gloria Henry. They were both wonderful moms.

Two more troubled youths that ended in suicide. Take note Gosselins!

I don't know why I must be in the minority, but I did not watch Rosanne. I liked it from the few times I saw it. She was kind of loud, but she seemed like she loved her family. My kids have an Italian family on their father's side. It can get loud, especially if anyone brings up politics.

Diane my kids are 13 months apart and luckily the younger one had a November birthday so we were able to keep her home an extra year to avoid having them both in the same class. I could see that being a problem. But they are "best friends" so that is a plus. Except for the typical struggles over clothes or boys. I admire all of you who had siblings. Sometimes I think I am the only "only child" in the country. At least my husband has a brother.

Hi Sherry,

My next door neighbor growing up was an only child. I loved to play with her because she had great toys and really great dress up clothes.

My husband is a middle child. Although, he is much more like an only child. His sister is 7 yrs. older and his brother is 10 yrs. younger. He never had hand me downs or really had to share.

I'm glad that your girls are in different grades at school. That should help a lot. Sibling rivalry can be harsh when you are growing up.

Hi Diane.

I absolutely agree about the spacing out and babies getting enough alone time. Sometimes I think that I got short changed on baby time.

Ironically, in addition to the 11 months between me and my older sister, there is 11 months between me and my next sister. We weren't in the same grade, but we share the same age for a short time once a year. My sister under me and I are the same age until I have my birthday, and then my older sister and I are the same age until she has her birthday. Sometimes my birthday was actually forgotten. Its comical now, but as a child I would walk around sullen until someone remembered and then act the martyr (usually by the time I got home from school). With five children and only 5 years between the oldest and youngest, mom and dad had their hands full.

Irene, you are absolutely correct, I read an article about that subject today. Shows like Dancing with the stars, american idol, etc. all are great shows and great ways for people with real talent to get noticed. I'm just more oposed to these so called reality shows that exploit kids, or unstable adults. I would hate to see young women having tons of kids just to be on TV. And yes there are some great shows still on TV. I have to say I'm really not a big TV person, so I don't know all the new shows out there. I'm just shocked by some of the things on TV today, so its good to be and teach our children to be well rounded, I always say its not good to put all your energy into one thing, and have plenty of good influences and role models.

Another good TV mom was Reba, her sitcom was more recent and I thought it was a cute show and she kept good morals and values while dealing with some real life issues.

Diane,

OT - Thanks it is nice to know that I am not the only one in the country since you have proof of at least one other. I actually think Robin Williams the actor is also a famous only child. It would be interesting to know how he felt about that. I like him, I think he is funny. His movie RV was great.

Actually also my husband had twins brothers who only survived a short time, but he is the oldest.

finallyover,

omg. They forgot your b-day. That is so sad. Reminds me of 16 candles. You were just packed in there. At least, I only had 1 that close to my age. I also felt short changed in the attention area, tho. I know what you mean about that.

Sherry T,

I also knew a girl in high school that was an only child. Ironically, both girls were named Susan.

I am a big Robin Williams fan. He's a comic genius. I did not know he was an only child. Very interesting and maybe, it explains a lot about him and his characters. Maybe, that is how he entertained himself. Our oldest son had an imaginary friend when he was 2-3. It kind of spooked us out, but his pediatrician told us that that meant he was very smart because he created a play mate for himself...something he felt he needed. That son does have a genius level IQ. His oldest son also had an imaginary friend, until his little brother came along. Life is funny.

Robin Williams played a good Mom in that 1 movie with Sally Field...Mrs. Doubtfire.

One of my longtime faves: Florida Evans from "Good Times." Feisty, direct. strong, protective and a lover of her family. Anybody would be lucky to have Flo for a mom.

After that, Roseanne Conner from "Roseanne." Blue collar, say-what-you-think, and real (or as real as a fictional character can be).

Then there's Uncle Charlie from "My Three Sons." Sure, he was a man, but he was good, and he ran a tight ship managing the Douglass household.

Bottom of my list, lying with the scum at the bottom: Kate Gosselin. Nothing more need be said on that.

Hi Diane,

That is two people then, so the count is rising. Ironically, my husband who is home from work sick today said maybe that is what is wrong with Robin Wiilliams and you, he was teasing. I like Robin Willams too. Right Mrs. Doubtfire, good example.

I think I had pretend friends, and I liked to pretend to be someone else like characters from TV. I remember mostly lots of puzzles and books, if there is no one to entertain you then you entertain youself. I think it makes you want to please the adults around you more maybe. My mom paid a lot of attention to me, but I she always made me share with her. I remember being very excited when friends moved into my neighborhood. Never had trouble making friends. Thanks for all of that insight. My cousin had a pretend friend and he had a very high IQ. He lives in Baltimore so maybe that says something about Baltimore Z.

Z, Could we do famous TV fathers?

Tho a major film mom before her movie came to tv, I nominate the role of Ellen O'Hara, played by Barbara O'Neil, in Gone with the Wind.

Ellen O'Hara broke up sibling arguments with a firm but kind word (along with the loan of her jewelry for the evening), comforted her newly widowed daughter with a trip to visit relatives, nursed sick neighbors, oversaw the family business accounts, and instilled religious faith in her children. She was the heart of the household, as evidenced after her death.

I like the Manny's mom on Modern Family too. She is so supportive of everything he does, she wants him to reach for his dreams, and she is totally proud of him.

Happy, happy birthday, Irene! I'll take the 4th position in line to nominate you as best Zlogger mommy! (Should we now embrace the BZF acronym?)

Sherry T - I wanted to be Laurie Partridge, too!!

But I also wanted to be Catwoman (Julie Newmar version) from Batman, Candy from Here Come the Brides, and Dulcey Coopersmith from Cimarron Strip (a western that lasted only 1 season, I think). I'm not exactly sure what all that says about me, but I clearly enjoyed a vivid fantasy life as a child!

Thanks everyone, for bringing all these wonderful memories back.

What about The Middle's mom. I really relate to her. Especially, over her thinking in her head.
So many times I do that just & my husband and kids do not really know what I am thinking. LOL.

Diane, we must be the same age because you're hitting all my favorites. I forgot how much I wanted to be like Angela Cartwright's Linda, in Make Room for Daddy, and Penny Robinson Lost in Space. And she was so cute in Sound of Music. I always thought she was soooo beautiful, just like the young Elizabeth Taylor.

Vicky, I would include Mr. French (Family Affair) with Uncle Charlie. And someone mentioned Hop Sing (Bonanza) earlier. They were the Mr. Moms of TV or the "not-a-nannies".

I can't think of anyone I grew up with that was an only child. I have a friend who has one younger sibling. Their mom died when we were in about third grade. I remember going to the funeral and how sad it was. I loved going to her house because she had her own room and it was quiet. She told me a couple of years ago that going to my house was her favorite thing growing up because "you could feel the love there". Sometimes you never know what you got until someone tells you.

AnnC,

That was great. Yes, Laurie Partridge was my favorite, but I also wan't to be Supergirl, and Buffy from Family Affair. Let's see there was no mom character in Family Affair. Eddie's father was a good show that I liked, but it had no mom figure either.

I think the BZF sounds fine.

Marge Simpson. She loves all of her children for their different abilities... and never lets them doubt that. Bart may be perpetually in trouble, but he knows without a doubt that he's his Mom's "special little guy." Lisa may be smarter than the average Simpson, but she still knows she belongs. Maggie's Mom makes her homemade Melba toast. And Marge supports and loves her husband--without a doubt.

Yea Diane about the Cardinals. I had a grandmother in Indiana. She was die hard Cubs. My grandfather spent big $$ to buy her a cabinet for nice stuff. She put Cubs Memorbilia in it. I have a picture of her standing by it. It is awesome.

Anyway, If I could be any tv mom I would be Roseanne. That woman could come up with the lines for her kids, and relatives.

Thanks for all the birthday wishes zloggers. Ya'll are the best BBFs around.

Sherry T -

Family Affair was awesome. I guess Mr. French and Uncle Bill both filled a "mommy" role.

Good Morning AnnC,

I think you are right Uncle Bill always had that motherly advice and coupled with Mr. French's insight they were really good parents. Uncle Bill was very sensitive to the kids feelings I remember. And Buffy had her Mrs. Beasley doll that she thought could talk. I liked that show. I think Mrs. Beasley was a very popular doll, I remember my friend had one.

Hi Z and Zloggers,

Last night, my husband and I were talking about who we wished we could be...tv wise. He said he wanted to be Joey on Fury because of the horses, ranch stuff, etc. I said I wanted to be Circus Boy ( remember him finally over?) And then, my husband said he wanted to be Penny from Sky King. I think he wanted to fly the plane, but, I was laughing so hard I really wasn't listening to the rest.

I think that Uncle Bubb, Uncle Charlie, Mr French and Hop Sing were ahead of their time playing the Mr. Mom role. But, who said you have to be a female to fill that role?

Funny, this morning I flipped through channels and Leave it to Beaver was just starting.

Being the recent discussion here, I sat and watched the show.

What a difference in the shows of the "innocent era" to the current shows! No sexual innuendos, no kids screaming at their parents, no revealing outfits.

Beaver walks into the kitchen, sees his mother sitting (perfectly coiffed), flipping through a magazine.

"Mom, what are you doing?".

June: "I'm sitting here waiting for the buzzer, so I can baste my chicken".

Beaver: "I wouldn't let a dead chicken push me around".

WOW.. the Same of it all! Hahah. I actually giggled at that back/forth of son and mother. What happened to our innocence?

Can we imagine that scene in one of today's tv shows? Imaginary reality show scene:

Son: "Mom, what the hell are you sitting around doing nothing, get off your botoxed butt and make me chicken"

Mom: " Well, I have to finish my drink and figure what anti-depressant pills to take before I go on my date, you're on your own, you lazy piece of crap"

Hi Diane,

I think you are right the Mr. Mom roles are very important. Look at the movie Kramer versus Kramer, he was a great dad who was trying to fill the mom role with his son and fighting to get custody of his son. Sometimes the father may be the morI e appropriate caretaker.

I loved your fantasy TV characters. Come to think of it I wanted to be a Green Beret because I had a record and I played it all the time and jumped off of my bed pretending to parachute around the room. And that was before girls were probably signed up.

I'll be back Z. I have to get 500 things done.

Yes, to Diane on Mr. Mom roles -- hugely important. Thanks, Diane. And thanks, Sherry, for underlining Diane's comments. Z

Wow, reading these posts reminded me of someone who brought up The Courtship of Eddie's Father...I loved Mrs. Livingston who was always full of great wisdom for both the youngster Eddie and of course the Bill Bixby character that she addressed as Mr. Eddie's Father.

Mrs. C, of course, from Happy Days!

Also are there some female-haters among your BBF's here Z? Interesting. I wonder if they were raised in male-dominated households? Might explain their hatred of Kate Gosselin.

GM zloggers!

Loved all the way-back well dressed moms. I was going to say Marion Cunningham but have to wonder whatever happened to Chuck, the older son? Hm... Granny Clampett was a great mom. Ely May was so lucky - all the pets she could round up! Currently.. the Sun guy on the Jimmy Dean commercial is a "good mom". I finally "get" that one. Don't know if it's shown nationally or just in the South. I haven't watched many current sitcoms since they're mostly on when Nancy Grace airs first. Must catch up.

Is anyone else coming to Facebook?

Thanks for your post Mommy.

1st I do not hate anyone. To be quite honest I hate certain behaviors of Kate.

I hate manipulating~ shows over too soon

I hate lying ~ my purse has a stack of bills that cannot be paid

I hate users ~ My kids need a ring, they need organic milk, they need to have these experiences

I hate what this show has done to their family ~ TLC is suing the father for breach of contract. The reality of that breach & the bottom line of his being sued is he made a choice to stop the filming of his children. His right. Kate G said on national tv that the contract stated that if either parent.

Further, I was raised in a loving family home. My father went to work for 35 years everyday, cancer, chemotherapy and all, so that my mother could stay home and raise us. You know what TLC issued statements in 2008 that the show provided the Gosselins with a stay at home mom. That mom was really on the road promoting TLC.....

Please understand my position. I watched all 5 seasons of this show. I have a right as a viewer to call it like I see it. Please go back and read my comments. The BBFs of this site are the last zloggers on earth to not want what is best for those 8 kids. We are moms, husbands, workers, daughters, sons, owners, etc that have various opinions/feelings about reality programming.
Please understand, if Tlc does not like the feedback they are getting. Let me tell you what my mom used to say, "Tough luck!"

These zloggers get to the bottom of some pretty touchy angles of the consequences of Reality programming. Not every statement has to have the TLC manipulation & spin sprinkled on it.

Have a good day and please come back.

By the way zloggers.

I went to the Maryland Docket.
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us

Jon Gosselin does have an attorney, Christopher Hostage of Rockville, Maryland.

The Maryland courts have granted a special assignment of a Judge on Tlc's request. Honorable Judge Mason.

There are various courtdates, Radaronline is saying 12/10 but docket says 12/14 with many more dates next year.

Hi Mommy,

I guess you would call me a Kate hater. I do not actually hate Kate, but, I sure don't like her either. I am disappointed in her, her choices, her lies, her pretending to be something she isn't.

She is ungrateful. Think about that. Have you ever heard her tell anyone thank you? No, but, I did hear Jon thank people.

Kate has a mean spirit. Think about that. When they moved into her new house, Kate tells us that she spent 4 hours cleaning the filthy refrigerator and then, she gets a new frig. How would you have felt if you had owned that house before her. There was absolutely no reason for that. That list goes on and on.

Kate has cast out her entire family. How would you like to be her parents? They tried to help her by collecting cribs and a variety of baby items from her Fathers church. She refused them because they did not match. She wanted her Father to ask his parishoners for cash only and he refused...so, they are out of her life. She does not talk to them, she occasionally e-mails them. How about Aunt Jodi and Beth?

If you are a Mother and you really want to do what is best for your kids, like Kate constantly says, then, why cut out actual family members? Those little kids do not even know their maternal grandparents. I am a Mom and a Grandma and I do not like that she did that.

IMO, Kate owes her kids a lot...the least of which in my opinion is having a civil relationship with their Father. She should have tried marriage counceling. She owes that to her kids.

She also never apologizes or says she is wrong. Nothing is her fault. Everything is her fault!

I was raised in a 2 parent household. It was not male dominated.

Mommy:

I pity Kate, I don't hate her. I do find her actions despicable. She is a mean, mean person. It is very evident that she has low self-esteem. She is always belittling her boys, husband, remember the Emeril episode where she wasn't getting the attention of the camera so she took a spatula and started bamming Emeril on the arms? Who thinks it is ok to hit someone else, even in fun? Remember when Jon suggested the below cabinet fridge in the kitchen redo? She jumped right in and said "What planet are you from?" But when she found out the convenience factor for the children, the best apology she could muster was "Maybe you aren't from another planet." How could her parents not know how to help Jon and Kate?

Zloggers dont you get the feeling there might be a big 70 million viewer company that wishes we would just hush hush. So that they can start ReAlTy ReHaB?

Just wonderin'

Hi Z and Zloggers,

OT, Has anyone heard from freegosselin8? I haven't seen a post from her since last friday.

Freegosselin8, I hope you are ok and please come back. We still need you.

And, yes, Irene I think you may just be right about rehab. But, which rehab will it be? sex, shopping, attention seeking, alcohol or drugs. hmmm. So many possibilities.

Funny you should ask, Diane, as I've spent a few days thinking about this subject but didn't quite know where I should go with it.

How many children of the shows mentioned above were collateral damage from the shows themselves? More than a few names come to mind when I think of them: Kristi McNichols from Family, The Olsen twins, the little kids from A Family Affair, Sara Gilbert, Ricky Nelson, Willie Ames, all the kids from Different Strokes, Patty Duke, and I suppose the list could continue forever.

Some have clearly found their footing and have thrived such as Jodie Foster, Ron Howard, Peter McNichols, Shirley Temple, and many more.

I've been wondering why some kids survive, why some crash and burn, and if therapy should be required for all child actors.

So yep, I'm still here, just thinking to myself, I guess. Online hugs to all!

Hey Diane, (Dec.1st@ 9:37AM),

Always enjoy your take on Zlog 'stuff'. But your earlier post where you and you hubby were kind of fantasizing about what iconic T.V. characters-of-old you might like to be was a real hoot. Diane, you so wanted to assume the role of Circus Boy, and your husband had no hesitation in taking on the Penny persona from the classic Sky King. HA!

Talk about both of you guys getting in touch w/ your masculine and feminine sides, respectively.... and respectfully, HA! (Does this role-switching penchant translate to other areas of your life....nudge, nudge, wink, wink? You can plead the Fifth on that one.HA!)

I'm sure a lot of young gals of our "boomer" generation, as kids, saw themselves as tomboys; especially girls that grew up in households w/ several male siblings, and almost by default had to put on a boyish air, and get into guy stuff, sports and all, to just merely survive.

I grew up w/ one brother, Don, and no sisters, w/ me being older by four years. That was a pretty wide chronological gap, and I kind of regret that Don and I were never that close growing up in the '50s and '60s, basically cultivating our own little coterie of separate friends. Interestingly, back then, we were all fans of those perfect Norman Rockwellian-type T.V. family dramas, particularly "Leave It to Beaver". For some reason my peers used to call me "Beav" (when they weren't referring to me as "McCrayfish"), because back then I had slightly bucked teeth, and neighborhood kids thought I looked kinda like the Gerry Mathers character. I thought I resembled Beaver's brother Wally, the Tony Dow character, much more, and being an older sibling, identified w/ him much more than "the Beav". (Ironically, today Tony Dow has developed into a pretty successful sculptor, and only acts, on occasion. I'm also a professional sculptor (casting bronze, direct stone and wood carving) as well as a cartoonist/ caricaturist. Never been bitten by the acting bug, though.)

Sherry T., I could really feel your sadness when on an earlier post you expressed your regret in being an only-child; that somehow you were cheated by fate, and so desperately wanted siblings to relate to.

I'm wondering if you happened to catch the premier episode of a new ABC "reality" series called Find My Family, last night at 9:00 PM? This series definitely has potential if last evening's first installment is any indicator. The initial sibling-search involved a very pretty blonde gal in her mid-twenties who was adopted into a childless family as an infant, and grew up, as an only child who, in her mid-teens, inadvertently found out that she had an older full-brother, and for almost the last six years had been unsuccessfully trying to track him down.

Like you Sherry T., this vibrant young woman felt her life was incomplete without siblings, and then to discover, as an adult, that she actually had a flesh-and-blood brother somewhere out there, gave her renewed hope. It turned out that the show's investigators found that there was also a younger full-sister, in the mix, a totally pleasant, yet unexpected surprise. To make a long story short(er), all three siblings were finally united under this incredible sprawling, massive old oak tree (symbolic of the family tree.....a little corny). What an incredibly emotional and joyous moment. These once-lost siblings clicked almost immediately, as the tears flowed. I must admit I shed a few myself.

Sherry T., if you didn't see this show, try to check it out in the future. I'm sure it would warm the cockles of your heart. Just make sure you bring along a box, or two of Kleenex.

Well, I've rambled on quite enough. Best skidaddle, forthwith.

Thanx again, Diane, for the trip down memory lane.

ALEX

REPLY..Mommy | December 1, 2009 11:35 AM

It never ceases to amaze me how someone can give a blanket statement about other people.

Mommy.. I am assuming you are a woman by your blog name. And, yet, you write a post that insults other women. You accuse the posters on this blog who don't feel Kate G is a good mother as being "female-haters".

Does it occur to you that we don't have enough brains to see what is in front of our eyes?

I don't think most of us here "hate" Kate G. We dont' even know her. We just hate what she has and is still putting her family through. We hate greed and fame seeking at any expense, especially at her children's expense. That doesn't make us "female OR Kate haters".

Do you think that there could be so many "female haters" blogging on Z's site, that would be quite the coincidence.

I am not sure of the ratio of men to women on this site, but seems to me the majority of posters are female. So, are you telling us that we hate other females due to our blogs regarding Kate G? Why do we have to have been raised in a "male dominated" household? You certainly don't give many of us credit for thinking on our own, do you?

I think that this blog goes above and beyond in not being insulting or scrape the bottom of the barrel for crude remarks about either of the Gosselins. Read most of the other sites that showcase the Gosselins, their posts are idiotic and quite crudely worded.

I was raised in a 2 parent household with 3 sisters. Hey, that's 5 females to one male! WOW, and yet you still think I hate females?

Give me a break.. even my dogs are female.

Mommy.. maybe you should look within yourself as to why YOU make such assumptions of US?

Hi Z and Zloggers,

Hey Alex,

Nice to meet you. Glad you enjoyed the trip down memory lane. So, did we. I have to say I am the one who really squashes the spiders and bugs! And, we've been married 35 years....so, something is working. I have enjpyed your posts, too. My oldest son is an artist. He does not make a living that way, but got a college scholarship.

Free the Gosselin 8,

I am so glad to hear from you. The statistics are not good for grownups on reality shows...so, I am pretty sure they are not good for kids. Yes, I think the issues of these past stars tells a lot and it isn't good either. I worry about the g8. They do not have a solid family to fall back on. They absolutely should be getting therapy. On 2 issues..1) being ex-stars and 2) the divorce, IMO. I'm glad to hear from you. Have a good night.

Free the Gosselin 8,

I think the reason some kids survive the stardom years, is because of their strong families and the family's values. Acting was their job not their life. Ron and Clint Howard's parents supported their family solely on the father's income. Jerry Mathers quit acting to attend high school full-time.

Hats off to all of you who responded to Mommy's post so eloquently. There's nothing I could add to what you posted, except that I too was the product of a two parent home. With five females and two males, it was definitely not male-dominated. I would never consider myself a "female-hater" with so many females in my life. And I pity Kate Gosselin too much to hate her. No mother should ever be that clueless.

I know I'm a little late to the party but I was watching Roseanne followed by The Cosby Show last night and it got me thinking about this blog thread.

I'm not sure I'd vote Claire Huxtable as one of the best TV moms. No doubt she loved her children and especially loved her husband -- a good thing indeed. But I don't think she liked her children. She is always very quick to praise them when they do things that fit neatly into her ideals, but she was always very quick to squelch their dreams. She wanted them to live within her very narrow vision and more often than not, Cliff followed along to keep peace. The biggest thing is, she never truly listens to her kids. Instead, she puts them on trial.

Roseanne might yell and fight with her kids, but she does listen to them. She considers their opinions important, even if it takes her a while.

hats off to the first poster that mentioned Mr. Mom's
The movie Mr. Mom is one of my favorites (not to mention Michael Keaton was one of the cutest male stars there ever was !! LOL )
One other thing regarding the G's, for some reason I have never mentioned that I was raised in a VERY large family. We did not have much at all but we survived, there were times that we older children might have resented our responsibilities, as helpers, and surrogate parents, HOWEVER, growing up with 7 other brothers and sisters was mostly wonderful. Especially now that we are all adults. We share a closeness that is just too awesome for words.
I hope the G's kids support one another as they grow and become very close in their adult years.
There is nothing like having brothers and sisters !

Dana, Jon once said that the kids use eachother as a security blanket. I do think they are love to be together.

Yes, Suep, my daughter was watching reruns of Roseanne last night. If you listen to the writing in Roseanne it just is spectacular. I do think some of those kids from that show actually went to college.

I think that there are a few reasons why childhood stars get messed up. If you think about it, there are alot of adult stars it happens to also. My first reason, I believe people who get into that buisness have some underlying issues to begin with, not all but most. I also think that when people are getting so much attention they get a high from it, then when the show ends or they are not that adored anymore they look for ways to keep that "high" going. On th flip side there are many people who arent in the business that happens to, we just don't hear about it.

On the other note re: mommy's statement. I don't think people hate Kate Gosselin but its very frustrating to watch the actions of a narcassist. I've thought about it alot, not sure why I have such strong feelings about it. I am the type of person who celebrates with others who do well. In the case of KG though she is ungrateful, mean, and used her children to gain materially, I think that is the lowest immoral thing a mother could do and of course the list goes on about her behaviors

Over the weekend I watch a couple Christmas movies, that had the typical theme of something going wrong in their lives and then worked out in the spirit of Christmas. But the themes were the same, people did not want Charity, there was pride in working hard to fix situations. Kate Gosselin had posts on her original website asking people to pay her electric bill, and take donations, they were doing this even after the show was on and they didnt need it. There is something way wrong with that. She expected it. Its just apaulling to me, that someone who chooses to have that many kids expects handouts. Its disgusting to say the least. There are alot of people who need help, I dont get it. I think thats a big part of what makes people so angry

Hi Z and Zloggers,

Hi Kad, I watched a made for tv movie ( 1999) this weekend on the Dilleys. It was a cute movie. I really got a kick out of the fact that Becky went to work ...as a nurse! while her husband stayed home with the babies. There is no reason that Kate could not have done the very same thing other than Kate did not want to live that way. The Dilleys have a nice house and a nice life. Their marriage is in tact, they don't have p-people following them. Their kids have a good life. I fear that Kate will never see how much damage her choices have done to her family, her kids. Sometimes, I would really like to smack her upside her head, Of course, I might need a ladder. HA!

Hi Z & fellow Zloggers! Super special shout out to Irene: HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY sweetie! I hope you had a wonderful day which you so richly deserve ***HUGS***

As soon as I read the title of this blog, the name Roseanne popped into my head. She may not be the "typical" June Cleaver, apron wearing, helicopter Mom but Roseanne was REAL. We saw her at her worst moments, her best moments; we saw the family struggle, we saw them thrive & through it all, Roseanne held them together.

Yep, she was loud, but if pressed to think of a time when she didn't do EVERYTHING possible for her children, I can't come up with one time. She always knew what her kids were up to, always was one step ahead of them & was right there to knock sense back into them when they (often) went off the beaten path.

It's funny, Roseanne Connor is a fictional character but that show was a more realistic portrayal of middle America & raising children than J & K Plus 8 EVER was. We saw Roseanne & Dan fight, heck we even saw what happened when Dan strayed with that woman in California; but we also saw two people who fiercely loved one another and who both EQUALLY shared the family load.

Roseanne may not be everyones idea of a perfect or conventional Mom, but she is certainly one of, if not the most realistic TV moms :)

Hi Holly, Yes to Roaseanne. Thanks. Z

Diane,

I watched that also, I thought it was ironic how they had the pictures of the babies all lined up, kinda how Kate did on the unseen footage of her ear piece interview, the similiarites were erie, although the Dilleys didnt want their children exploited which should be commended Its been said KG did alot of research about families of multiples. Too bad she didn't pick up on the good values of other families.

Looks like I am running late.. again.. all I can add is a generous sprinkling of "me too"s and "I couldn't have said it better myself"

(Not sure that really works as a plural, but you all get my meaning.. right?)

Personally, I associated with the Mrs. WIlder from "Little House on the Prairie." Despite their tough challenges, she allowed her kids to be kids, was gentle, but firm... and took care of business as needed.

Thanks alot Holly. Ya'll are so great.

The TV mom thing went over very very well. And, yes, Roseanne is a hero. I wonder if we tie this all up from all these posts. Who would be the best T.V. mom? Roseanne gets my nomination.

Yes, Diane, I love the Dilley's. They were built a large home for the cost of materials. They could not afford it so they sold it and raised their children in a smaller home. They are great kids. They do still go on GMA once in awhile for updates.

Hey ALEX,

No I didn't see the ABC "Find My Family", but I will try to see it. It sounds like something I might like. Yes, I would have loved to have siblings. It would be nice to find some, but in my case I think it probably won't happen like in the show.

Have you watched Modern Family. I recorded last night in my box.

Z and ALEX and all, have a nice week.

I think it is odd to compare TV moms who are fictional charecters to Kate and call these fictional charecters real Moms. I have to commend Irene and Kate for each raising 8 children. I keep thinking that if my life were a reality show, I might have moments I'm not too proud of either, just like Kate does. I can imagine that none of us are perfect all the time in parenting or in life. I'm uncomfortable bashing Kate. I don't know what I would do in her situation but I do know that I haven't walked in her shoes - none of us have. How do you know that Kate doesn't enjoy raising her children? Some people just make comments that may come off different than intended. I refuse to cast a stone at Kate for her mothering skills. Seems incredibly rude to me.

It's not odd at all. TLC has controlled and manipulated her images to make her an "ideal" TV mom, just like a fictional character. Part of the energy and excitement of the group of core cokmmenters here is that they deconstructed (took apart) that false veneer. And with the help of bloggers and tabloid reporters and photographers, they exposed Jon and Kate for the fools and liars they are. Thanks. Z

To follow up on Z's exchange with Kippie ( timestamp: November 29, 2009 11:24 PM)

I do think there is something profound about identifying with a TV character as a kid.

So, what about all those kiddos identifying with Jon and Kate Gosselin now?

Brontegirl,
I also just want to add that Kate & Jon agreed to do all this reality stuff. They wanted this. They wanted all the perks & material possessions this show could muster. Then they turned around now because the coverage is negative they want us to back off. Why so that they can recreate the images that made them a lot of $$$$.

Thank you for your nice comments about raising 8 kids. Let me add to this. I cannot imagine how my children would possibly feel if their every move was able to be "googled" the way the Gosselin children's is. There is alot about my marriage and raising my children I am ashamed of. I am just glad I did not ever try to manipulate or use people, places and things to get through those times. For the sake of my spouse & children I think it is my job as a parent to shield my children from an possibility of childhood exploitation.

Thanks for explaining though really. I know alot of people who feel like you do. To each his own. That is what makes this zlog so special.

A Wiki Editor,

You made a good point. I hope people are identifing with the mistakes that Jon and Kate have made and don't go there. Seeing the way they have destroyed a family. I hope kids are just watching the cuteness of the show and identifying with the Gosselin kids. They are cute and seem intelligent. Hopefully the other stuff is going over their heads. I hope very young kids are not watching Jon and Kate and are identifying with Sesame Street characters or some of the other good kids shows out there.

Bontegirl,

I have trouble casting stones since I know I am not perfect either. However, I have to agree with Irene this couple let their eight kids be as she put it "gobble up" because of their selfishness and TLC and Jon and Kate could have put a stop to it. So in that case people needed to speak out for the kids.

Hi Z and Zloggers,

I watched Modern Family last night. My 2nd time and it was the repeat of the episode I already saw. Oh well. It is funny. I am a fan of Ed O'neill and I think the writing is very clever.

Julie Bowen's character reminds me of a newer version of Mrs. Cunningham from Happy Days. I really like how Julie's character and her husband relate to each other. They seem to really like each other and treat each other with care. Not yelling or firing off zingers at each other. Reminded me of happier times and Howard and Marion. I enjoyed it a lot Z.

The Mom in The Middle reminds me of a modern version of Roseanne. Wise cracking, funny, but, slightly mean.

Irene, I don't have facebook. I am, behind the times. Haha.

Sherry, Yes, you will probably like Find my family. It is tear jerker. I saw it and liked it, too, Alex. It is very much like The Locator. I think that might be on WE..not sure. Sentimental. I enjoy them both.

sparklycig....calling out for you...check in please.

One more thing Brontegirl...would you ever lie and tell someone or a nation you only had $1000 left in a purse & were unable to mail your bills in.

I am not judging her, I am asking if you would do this or not? And, do you think this was honest of TLC to allow her to do. Especially when they want to muzzle the other party because of things he may/may not say.

Just a question that came up.

Hi, brontegirl, and welcome. You sound like you are a person who is reluctant to make judgments about people, and I commend you for that. I try to do the same, but I think there are times in life when people SHOULD be judged, especially when their actions have the capacity to be extremely harmful to others - in this case, the Gosselin children. I think we each have a moral obligation to stand up for one another, and speak up when we believe harm is being done.

While I can understand some of your discomfort at comparing a real person to fictional TV moms, I still think it is valid to do so. These mom characters we have been discussing are pretty universally known, which gives everyone a shared point of reference. Z could have very easily asked us to provide examples of our personal experiences with "real life" moms and how their actions as moms compare with Kate G's. I actually would like to hear some stories from our zloggers about their own moms and other moms they know.

I agree with you that not one of us who is a parent has gone through life without some difficult or shameful moments. For me, I am proud of the fact that these moments have been relatively few and far between. For Kate G., however, these moments of incompetent and unemotional parenting seem to be the norm and in her nature. Now certainly, TLC had the power to edit the show however they chose to, but they were not able to produce footage of Kate that did not exist. And if Kate was being portrayed in such an extremely unfavorable (and cruel) light only because of editing, it is hard to imagine that she wouldn't have protested it. We have never heard Kate say that she was unfairly portrayed by TLC, so I have to assume that her behaviors portray who she really is. And, yes, I choose to judge that her behaviors have been extremely harmful to her children.

You said you don't know what you would do in her situation. Here is where our paths completely diverge. I know exactly what I would or would not do (in no particular order):

1. I would never have been so selfish as to try to become pregnant with multiples if I wasn't secure in the fact that I could care for them physically, emotionally and financially.

2. I would never have deliberately produced children for the express purpose of using them for fame and fortune.

3. I would never subject my children to being filmed constantly, and especially not naked or during some other extremely sensitive or private moments.

4. I would never mock or belittle my children or otherwise make them feel worthless.

5. I would make sure my children had milk to drink, even if it meant I had to do without something for myself.

6. I would never constantly berate and ridicule my children's father in front of them.

7. If I had help raising my children, I would acknowledge it, not lie about it because it didn't fit my image.

8. I would never place my sick child alone on a cold floor in a dark laundry room with a vomit bucket because I didn't want him to ruin any bedding.

9. I would never scream and threaten to throw away my child's favorite blankie, rendering him inconsolable, because he had the audacity to inconvenience me by getting some gum on it.

10. I would never have kept shopping while my child was pleading with me that he was in terrible pain.

11. I would never parade my children in front of photographers after complaining about the photographers taking pictures of them.

12. I would never encourage my children to point guns and shoot at people.

13. I would never try to scam others into giving me money.

14. I would never subject my children to public scrutiny during a family crisis.

15. I would teach my children to be responsible in caring for pets.

16. I would never lie to my children that their father and I would be together forever while knowing the marriage was over.

17. I would treasure my children's artwork and not ridicule it and trash it at the first opportunity.

18. I would never forbid my children to enter my bedroom.

19. If I had to be away a lot on business, I would make sure to call my children every single day to tell them how much I love them and miss them.

20. I would do everything in my power to treat my children with respect, and teach them to appreciate others, appreciate the things they are given, and help others who are less fortunate.

This list could go on and on and on.

So you might think me a rude person, but honestly, I am OK with that if my rudeness has in any way helped the Gosselin children.

Be well.

After 5 seasons (NOT years) of Kate Gosselin as a mom, I'd even pick Roseanne over her.
Just a side comment:
Bet Kate's mad that 'her' kids didn't make the BW Special, oh no, that's right, SHE made it (HOW?????) and that's ALL that matters. Bet she was mad that she didn't get a mention as another wife who was cheated on in the Tiger Wood's articles. But someone did mention that maybe Jon could give Tiger some good advice? Also, remember when Kate said it wouldn't make sense to quit the show because the 'p people' would still be there taking pictures? Well, she's not 'in show business' right now, and WHERE ON EARTH ARE THE PAPS AND THE PICS OF KATE going to Kinko's, gas stations, etc.???? Where's a good "Pap" when you need one As far as that goes, where in the world is Kate Gosselin? WHO? By spring IF her show comes on, who will even remember her?

AnnC. I have great mom. She is like Mary Tyler Moore was on Dick Van Dyke show. She has everything planned but can roll with the chaos of a moment. She loves her family and stayed home and took care of it. We always had clean laundry, a hot meal and her presence was there always.

My all time favorite real mom was our relative and friend. Her name is Patricia Searle. She has a wonderful husband & gave birth to 17 great kids. When I was growing up around 3rd grade we all became acquainted after realizing at church we were relatives. She was not only a relative & friend but a mentor. She lived her life by the example she set. Let me tell you, she did not go trasping around looking for handouts & fame & forturne. She was approached by GMA at some points but refused. Her stand has and always will be that if you put your kids out there for the world to see that can cause them undo harm & pressure. She was woman who was not moved by what tv could offer.

You know what...I have a treasure trove of memories from her. She loaded us up in her Suburban and took us Wandering Indiana to see colleges her kids attended. She never said no if we had crazy ideas like, camping, biking, movies, etc. We made homemade candy, attended church, community service. She encouraged me to help at town halls when voting came around. That is just a few of the things. She also helped my parents when things got rough. And, not by criticism either. By lending a kind ear, a weeks worth of free babysitting so that my parents could reconnect. Her story is not mine to flaunt all over the country. But, the Kate handler's need to understand this. TLC you made an empire out of exploiting a family, a young family, that was not quite sure of the future. You destroyed their family in the process. Do not ask me to change my opinion. I have great examples to look at to realize that what happened with the Gosselin family should never happen again.

GAG ME WITH A HIGH HEEL zloggers. As a zlogger nothing ever surprises me about a Gosselin anymore.

Associated Press has just released an article about Barbara Walter's picks.

"Nobody hit the scales harder this year than Kate Gosselin," says Walters. "And, this career is not over."

Walters claims her picks this year are not necessarily one's she would have picked in the past or even knew much of before last year. Obviously Barbara. You must be getting early stages of something...many worked harder than Kate. I can count 8 children for starters.

Zloggers....this cannot be...please tell me I am reading more into this than I am.

Hi Irene! I was just reading that at ET. What career? Yeesh! She's not a real mom - she just plays one on TV!!!!

TMZ's 'Memba Them? then & now pics of child stars and others.

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/memba_them__3#tab=most_recent&id=13666

Oh, Irene. Thanks so much for sharing those memories of your mom and dear friend! They obviously are very special people to have produced and shaped such an incredible person as you!

Isn't it awesome how so many of our most cherished memories revolve around the way someone makes us feel, and the very small pleasures of life? These things do not have to involve extravagance or wealth or fame. Nothing can compare to the experience of someone making us feel loved and protected and respected and special.

TLC lost sight of this in a big way. It is so sad how much turmoil they encouraged and facilitated in the Gosselin household, and how the G parents were too greedy, selfish, foolish, ignorant and naive to recognize what was happening.

I hope that family somehow finds peace.

And a very sorry one at that xsandlapper.

I wonder if Barbara will ask her why she denied Mady water? Why TLC gets to call all the shots about her family? Why the bodyguard got more days last April and May then her kids did? Oh, I better hush up...I am ready to say something uncivil.

If you know a kid (any age) that watches 'Jon and Kate Plus 8' - try having a conversation with them about the show - and listen to the qualities they got from the show.

Did the negative things go over their heads?

What about the other attributes of the Gosselin shenanigans?

Lots of elementary, Middle and high schools allow wikis through their internet filters,

Day in and day out, I see questions posted by kids/tweens/teens, and the questions paint a sad picture of the life lessons these kiddos are taking away from watching the Gosselins on parade.

I wish the questions were all innocent fan-oriented questions, but alas.. it is not the case.

So my challenge dear zloggers is this: Talk to your kids, or any kids you know, that are fans of the show. No need to destroy any positive thoughts they have.. but you might be surprised by some of the ugly things they think were okay about the Gosselin scene.

Then.. come back and tell z (and me!) how it went.

The Barbara Walters choices are ridiculous. Maybe Z can do a poll on who we think would be the top 10 deserving fascinating people of 09. People who have made a difference. I really would hate to think these are the people America is proud of. Come on already. Its an embarrassment.

Wiki I had something happen on the finale day. I recently got in touch with a special friend of mine. She is in her 20s and has cerebral palsy. I babysat her when I was younger. We lost touch.

On the day of the finale she was so very upset about the finale. I did not have the heart to rain on her feelings toward the show. She loved the kids and the family of the show. And, is going to miss them very much.

That is an example why Tlc and JON & Kate really tick me off. Taking advantage of viewers like her. She was very upset over the dogs.

I can only imagine what season 5 looked like to children/teen viewers.

By the way, my kids think the parents are moroons with a contract. And, that they got pursued fertility to become money makers. I do not know if I would go that far. (That they pursued the type of pregnancy they got. But, they sure have spent 6 years milking the organic cow)

Thanks Annc for the kind comments. I though am just a wife and a mom....who will not be on the hucksters list of most fascinating people. If you have to be that outrageous to get a 10 minute interview then you got some serious issues.

kad,

I like that idea. I can think of ten and none of the ten include Kate Gosselin.

Wiki Editor - I am really sorry to hear that kids are taking away so many of the negatives from Jon and Kate. My kids never liked the show Jon and Kate really, so I am really glad. I think my oldest daughter has only watched two episodes, but she was sad for the kids and the J&K divorce.

"Nobody hit the scales harder this year than Kate Gosselin," says Walters.
Could some one tell me what that means? I have never heard that expression before. I googled it and only came up with a boxing reference. Maybe Barbara makes up words just like Kate. Perhaps she meant "hit the skids".

That's what I was trying to say in an earlier comment: What the heck is Walters saying? It is meaningless hype-o-babble from Hype-o-Barbara. Thanks for making the point for us so clearly. Z

I thought hit the scales harder meant that she tried to promote herself all over the cable channels? I might have been far off?

Radaronline has released a video today of a 4 min talk with Kate Major from the Breach of Contract Depositions.

Boy is TLC sleazy. Kate walks out and says straight to the camera, "Fo the most part I told the truth." Ok Kate so what parts did you lie about?

Geeze Louise!

This "moms" topic isn't where I should post this, but didn't know where else to put it.

Tonight is the Monk two hour finale. It's one of the few programs I have really enjoyed, such a unique concept, not something copied from every other program, with a lot of subtle humor mixed in with the obvious and such an excellent supporting cast. Captain Stottlemeyer (with his neon-green yo-yo-so funny) was hilarious throughout this series. I could go on and on and that's something from someone who doesn't like TV much. How I'll miss this program.

What can I say except,
"Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust."

The pickins are getting slimmer by the day.

Anyway, there's a Monk marathon all day today, then the finale. Monk fans probably already know this, but I wanted to post it anyway.

Maybe Barbara W's remark about "hitting the scales" meant "internet saturation" or "putting this woman on my show will put ratings through the rood".

With this one selection for her list, Barbara has joined the ranks of Maury Povich and The Insider and the rest of the like ilk shows.

Another question I have of Ms W is how does Adam Lambert get on that list? He has been around, but only recently been so much in the news. This list is supposedly for 2009, what did he do all year to warrant his name on the list?

And.. how do 3 children who have been protected all their lives become "fascinating people"? Because their famous father died? What makes THEM fascinating?

Barbara has joined the exploitation frenzy of celebrities.

She can no longer be regarded as a respected interviewer or even a person to be believed. Put the fork in her too.

If scales measure something, not really mentioning what was measured, maybe desparation and being an idiot thats all I can think of. Jon and Kate both hit the tabloids purposely, exploiting themselves and their kids. I hardly see that as worthy. This is the business and thats it. They saw people getting ticked off about it and somehow equated that to being something. I've yet to see what either have done besides have a bunch of kids and a cable show that went down the tubes within 2 years. All this is doing is feeding her nacassism. She has no where to go but down from here, and there is nothing worse than a narcassist scorned. To the people who come here sporatically to defend her or criticize the people who have called this thing as it is, do some research. There is no excuse for exploiting children and being greedy and taking advantage of people at churches.

marieE,

I thought hitting the scale meant the same thing that you did. Either that or she fell so hard she "hit the scales"?

ALY thanks for the tip on the MONK finale, my husband is a big fan, he probably knows. I used to watch that show. When they changed out Sharona I don't know why I didn't watch it much. I guess I never connected as much with the character they replaced her with. I think they were in one episode together the two characters who play the part.

Oh, marieE now we now we know what Babs really wanted to say, "Nobody exploited their children, treated their spouse, relatives and friends worse this year than Kate Gosselin." And this Narcississt named Kate is going to have a career in manipulation for a long long time."

It might be a child exploitation channel but it's all mine channel. They love me, they adore me, and I am glad they got my husband,relatives and friends away from me.

Oh my gosh am I just downright mean today or what?

Hi Sherry T. I remember when Sharona left Monk, I wondered if a new "caregiver" would be a good fit. It turned out I liked her very much.

As far as Barbara Walter's "hitting the scales" comment, I interpreted it to mean making an impact but why she could not have been more clear in what she was trying to say is a mystery. Maybe we little people are supposed to think that's show biz talk not meant for us to understand.

Hi ALY,

How are ypu? I watched some of the new ones with Natalie as the Sharona replacement in Monk. She was good, I just seemed to miss Sharona. Do you think that Natalie was too easy on Monk and Sharona would have not been so sympathetic. I miss that dynamic I think. But whoever plays the Natalie character is a good actress. I also liked the fact that they had her as a mom with a daughter.

I think you are right Barbara Walters thinks she has pulled one over on us. Maybe she has, I don't get it either.

Little House on the Prairie mom, Caroline, gets my vote. Sweet, dear, kind and able to stand up for herself without making a scene (unlike Kate on TLC). I am just amazed that Kate is still around on TLC and now, tonight, being interviewed by Barbara Walters. This will be sure to boost the "ego" of Kate. Don't plan to watch.
Thanks, Z, for being right on point once again.