That was great Kelly, thanks for that recap. I am sure Z appreciates it. It really kind of lost appeal for me by the second half hour. I hope Irene or marieE or someone can fill us in. I have a short-attention span.

Kelly have a safe and nice flight. I'll try to remember something from the second half.

Move over Kate Gosselin Kelly is BLOGGER OF THE YEAR for this one.

Laughing all the way to the Nielson's is my response.

You know...

Robin Roberts did an awesome job on Joy Behar Show tonight. I am so proud of our born/raised Mississippi girl.

Sesame Street 40TH anniverary tomorrw.

Carrie Underwood hosting CMA'S tomorrow.

Taylor Swift. What a young girl with class. Parents raised her to respect people, places, and things...

Oh, wait a minute.

Z, I apologize from the bottom of my heart. This particular blog is about Kate~~

5 years from now.....Kate who?

P.S. Was the episode taped with the same set? Was it taped before or after the equipment left the 1.2 Million dollar sprawling estate?

Have a great night everyone!

P.S.S. Z or anyone else that watched tonight.

Is this an episode for Kate that when the kids look back someday Kate will be ever such the greatest mom for staying positive and truthful? You all know Kate would do nothing to harm these kids...It is all about the kids you know...Um....

Oh yeah, one thing in the first half that was great. In the toy store Kate said, "It sounded like they heard me from here to Egypt". I was mic'd-up for that. Eureka, Kate did you just figure that out you didn't need a mic. All of the customers in the store turned around to stare. Great moment!

It also reminded me of the shout-out at the pumkin farm under the tent. "Jon, pay attention, they need help"!!

Oh z, thanks so much for taking this on and thanks to Kelly also. I am so happy I don't have cable as I would have been tempted to watch.

But this sounds like a night where I couldn't even watch to get my snark on. Sad, sad, sad.

Let's just all hope the kids will be ok. I'm not religious in a conventional way but I'm sending lots of beautiful clouds and well wishes to the universe on their behalf.

Thanks for the recap, Z and Kelly. It sounds like it was pure torture to sit through.

I am actually glad to hear that Jon is countersuing TLC. It is one of the smarter moves he has made. Even if his motive is to bleed TLC, I think the countersuit reinforces the end of filming of the children, which is a great thing. You can be sure that TLC will never want the dirt and lies and manipulations that accompanied the creation of episodes of the show to come to light. The facts would be very damaging to them. All that hidden information will be subject to disclosure. So Jon definitely has some leverage there.

And now for a question on a related topic, which you may need to write a separate piece about. Katie Couric is catching a ton of heat for her "soft" interview with Andre Agassi, where she failed to initially question him about his crystal meth use. She had to return and re-interview him about it. So, Z, why is no one crying foul over all the "soft" ridiculous interviews of Kate where no one pressed her about the very serious issues of child exploitation and spousal abuse? It is truly puzzling.

This was a sorry attempt to redeem Kate by bringing up some of her worst moments so that she could explain or defend them.

The most shameful editing was the "gum" episode. They cut out Colin's reaction which was uncomfortably sad and showed Kate's complete lack of empathy for her child. One of the twins tried to comfort him as Kate continued to yell about throwing his bear away. This was before she called Jodi and read her the riot act for giving him gum - even though Jodi had watched seven of the kids all day. After hanging up the phone Jon and Kate laughed about how dumb Jodi was.

The fact that Kate could laugh at her melt downs and act like they were normal (cute?) is so frightening. I hate to think of how she treats those kids behind closed doors.

TLC is scraping the bottom of the barrel with this witchy woman.

Glad I never watch any of their crap, I feel so bad for the kids, they have 2 selfish immature idiots for parents. I really don't understand how cold and calculating Kate can be, I still have the birthday card made from my little nephew from over 7 years ago. It was a print of his little foot made into a butterfly. I treasure that one because he was born immature and I can still see him with tubes sticking out all over and he was shaking and mewling. These moments are to be treasured, not sold to the highest bidder. I pray that all the little ones will find peace and happiness. And I wish TLC to be shut down and go bankrupt because they are morally indifferent.

I am completely and totally sick and disgusted with Jon and Kate Plus Eight. I sincerely hope that Kate does not get to be a host on a talk show, or a publisher publishing another book for her, or a Jon and Kate movie. I want the parents to fade into obscurity and tend to their children who they have so badly put on the back burner for the sake of their own selfish interests.

Man, this episode sounds terrible. Thanks for the recap.

I actually was boycotting Kate this week, instead I was watching "Intervention".

And it was a good choice, seeing a mother accept responsibility for her destructive behavior, get help and eventually restore some normalcy and stability to her family.

Something I don't think we will ever see from Kate Gosselin or TLC.

I liked the show. I thought Kate did an excellent job.

hi, new here, I just had to post too. Kelly hit it squarely on the head. It would have been so much better to just see the clips. The kids adorable scenes were totally ruined by the cutesy, witty comments, which they were neither cutesy nor witty. Who told this woman she was entertaining?? The "pull the stick out" response had me practically yelling at my TV. Is this woman serious? I can see she really believes her own press. The remarks about the kids hitting so much, they have been hitting each other like this for the entire time! Didn't this fool EVER watch her own show? I could never believe how she let these kids continually hit each other. And yes she let them, because it still has not stopped. I know that siblings fight, and I come from a large family, but one thing my parents would NOT allow is hitting each other. We got into huge trouble. This has always bothered me a lot about Jon and Kate. You have to teach your children how to act in public and private. How to problem solve without violence. I saw no evidence of that at all from them. I cannot wait until this nightmare disappoears. Yes, i watched tonight, to say goodbye to the kids. I only watched because of them. I hope they end up ok. I wish they would get some counseling now.

Z,

You hit the nail on the head and perfectly described the tone of the whole show when you said: "What I'm saying here is Kate managed to suck any emotion there was right out of the montage of moments."

The show was boring, lifeless, and a definite waste of time. It was a replay of the same worn out clips we've seen them cut and paste all season in desperate attempts to make something out of nothing!

I got the impression Kate had no idea what clips/shows they were even talking about (I doubt she's ever viewed them); she seemed disinterested, bored, fake, and had with no interest in being there. Actually, she showed about as much enthusiasm for making the show as the viewers have for enduring the same clips -- AGAIN.

Two more weeks of the show? TLC should quit while they're ahead - the show only gets worse as the weeks go on.

Kelly,

Your blow-by-blow was GREAT! Thanks!

Kate is such a PHONY!!

For real fans, we loved the show. You are just following the stupid media that wants to pick at Kate. I enjoyed the hour and laughed again at the kid's cute antics.

I can feel that the end is near and I feel relief. Yes, the original creation of the Jon and Kate Plus Eight series was interesting. But, the show, all of the offshoot interviews, and behaviors by Kate and Jon became far too objectionable to our senses. It became painful and infuriating to watch for so many different reasons. (I'll wait for Z to do a post mortem of the series when the time is here.)

I would suggest that TLC have complete psychological workups done on any future "stars" of a reality series!

Deb & Fran glad you enjoyed it that accounts for 2/17 or 12% of the blogger comments.

Really, it is nice to see you defend the defenseless with such fervor & reasons why.

Last week Kate was on the witness stand. This week left to her own devices and those of an editing room. Problem is most of us have seen all these episodes...so we see a chop job from a mile away.

The more Kate talks the easier it is for me to stay away.

Thanks for your posts Deb & Fran.

It has always been all about Kate, so why would this retrospective be any different? Jon was not about to be sitting next to her; he was in Times Square cavorting with Levi Johnston. Another great choice in friends, Jon! TLC did not need to repeat the different clips over and over again, especially the ones about Hannah pooping in her underwears and daddies have weiners! I laughed out loud when Kate made the comment about never wanting to be away from her kids anymore!I think she spends more time away (and is happy to be on the road!) than she does at home. And when she is home I would bet she is constantly yelling at those kids. Stress will do that to you, but being obssessive compulsive and a control freak on top of the stress can be deadly! Kate was very blase about the whole show. I'm sure she felt wistful about some of the happier memories, but should have been horrified by the ones that showed her true colors. In those instances she simply made light of them. This show ran it's course a long time ago and TLC has pelted the viewers with reruns everyday for months. I guess the retrospective was as good a way as any to finally put this show to rest.... permanently. How else could TLC have ended it..in the courtroom during the divorce proceedings? It would be interesting a few years from now to see a show of Where are they now? My bet?...Kate will still be scrambling to stay in the spotlight and make the big bucks she has become accustomed to; Jon will be flat broke and unemployed; Maddy will be that much closer to becoming another Kate; the sextuplets will be muddling along, still totally clueless, but cute as the dickens! And if those kids are lucky, there just MIGHT be enough money in those "safe" college funds to send each of them to a community college for a year! As much as watching the Duggars may cause you to suffer a sugar overdose, there is an example of a family truly devoted to one another with no room for the big egos of Jon and Kate.

Kate, you are a beast! Take another Xanax, your flat, hollow delivery shows the lack of feeling you have for your children and the ultimate destruction of your family.
My two children, ages 4 and 7 had tears in their eyes when watching the clip of you torturing Colin by threatening to throw his "precious" bear away because it had gum stuck to it. This was child abuse Kate, pure and simple.
I can't imagine that TLC will escape being sued for their role in what happened to this family. They provided the platforn for Kate to become self-obsessed with celebrity and fail to parent her children. Not to say that TLC is wholly responsible for this. If Kate had the best interests of her children ever in mind, this could not have happened. Go away now Kate!
PS: Your make-up looked like one of the tups applied it, perhaps the cut-backs have started already.

ALEX M.

Jon and Kate are almost over. Are you watching from behind the scenes? Miss hearing from you. Hope you sciatica is doing better. Did you watch J&K last night??

When speaking of the fake vow renewal in Hawaii, did Kate notice Jon's family members mixed in with other guests? In line at the buffet? Mingling with other family members"

Haaaa! Nope! She actually said she saw Jon's family out in the AUDIENCE!!

Laughed so hard I nearly peed my pants. That woman is just wrong on so many levels...

Kate may have been mic'd at the toy store but she wasn't amped. Excuses, excuses, no one is buying them anymore. The woman sounds so shallow and hollow and cold and calculating. I am so glad for the kids that they don't have to see the faky sides of their mom anymore..the one filming, the one being interviewed, but shudder to think what they have to deal with when the camers aren't rolling.

Good recap, Kelly. I'm sure Z appreciated being able to clear his head. Very thoughtful of you.

Was this show specifically for favorite moments with the tups only? I wonder how Mady and Cara feel that they were completely ignored?

I found one comment of Kate's interesting. After they'd showed several clips of her various meltdowns with more to come Kate said something like, "Have I really had that many meltdows?" She laughed, thought it was really funny. At one point she called herself "Meltdown Kate" and said she's working on controlling them.

I could not believe when she brought her book as the give away in the cancer ward.

Yikes, that went right past me. Yes, tghat is kind of amazing in retrospect. Thanks. Z

I just want to interject an opinion on my part about the Nala $2,000 trip to the vet.

1st~~buying the dogs was nothing but a publicity stunt on your part & a means to appease Jon so ya'll could have your "Idealic family farce" keep playing out.

I am supposed to feel sorry for you as a pet owner that you had to spend money to take care of the pet?

Maybe in the future before you make decisions out of greed you will think of something more. Because I just am downright angry that TLC & Kate made a mighty $$$ off those dogs through the show. Only to be discarded when it was too overwhelming.

Maybe it was not such a good idea to bring the dogs up in this latest "Let's show everyone how bad I have it show"

Cuz the bottom line is Jon shut ya'll down and you are just seething cuz there is nothing that can be done at this point. Oh, I know TLC hired the "Scorch earth attorneys" Great that sure will change the fact that Jon is their father.

OH....my blood is boiling and I did not even watch last night.

Darn it, Irene, I tried to ignore the suffering of that dog, and you made me face it. Now my blood is boiling. But I am glad you brought it up and spoke out for the animals that can't. You comment was the righteous thing to do. But my blood is boiling, aqnd I am going to bite my tongue -- for now. Z

That woman is like nails on a blackboard!!!!! I tried couldn't do it had to turn after the first 5min and never went back..... Sugar coating and editing "real" events at it's best!!!!

Just a quick note to TLC if you are trying to bring back original viewers just a heads up we remember the original shows and fully realize how heavily you are editing the current clips you are showing.

I really enjoyed the show last night, but then again, I have always been a fan of the show. It was nice to see clips from the different shows and my guess is that most of the people that find fault with last nights show never really watched it in the first place but since the media frenzy cannot pass up a moment to slam Kate and TLC for whatever motives.

I think you will find a lot of former longtime fans of the show at this bloog. I hope you'll hear from some of them about what turned them off -- from the way the dogs to the kids were treated. Z

Way to go Jon!! I wish he would sue TLC for more than 5 million...he ought to sue them for every dime they made off his family, times NINE (leave Kate out).

This show is sinking and the lifeboats are gone.

I only hope Jon can remain firm in not letting the kids be filmed. I am confident the only reason they are suing him is because he is affecting their bottom line. They see the kids as assets only!

Let TLC give Kate a show. I think they know she is only marketable with the kids, not because of the kids. Without the kids she is nothing. Well, she is boring, so I guess that is something!! lol!!

I am guilty of watching last night's episode of Kate and her phony attitude. Since I started watching their show, she has always been only able to push out her fake laughs, pretending that she actually has a sense of humor. Watching her complain about coupons and chasing Jon around in their big mansion (and not being able to find him) was ridiculous. We all know she gets everything she wants for free! She still thinks she can fool the public into thinking she's frugal. In watching the TLC lineup on Tuesday nights during the show last night, I see happy families (who may be not rich and God-forbid, even shop at second hand stores)that could teach Jon and Kate a lesson or two. Their happiness is genuine and they're not concerned with GAP clothing or designer shoes. Good for the Duggars, the Table for 12 and even the Little Couple. On a final note, Jon and Kate used to go to church..too bad they left that when their life got too busy. In Kate's interview, she made a excuse that she can't go without Jon. Yeah right, she goes everywhere without him. Now, more than every, she needs the help of God to get her through her tough times. I'm glad "her" show will be over soon and hope that their children can actually live normal lives - not with cameramen and soundmen acting like uncles...because once the show is gone, they're gone too.

I watched "Intervention" instead. Why watch Kate interview herself again about the same old clips? Also, why do "Fan's Favorite Moments" have to be explained and "narrated" by Kate at all? Can't viewers figure out what is going on and make a judgement for themselves?

Once again, thank you Z and also Kelly. No offense to either of you, but it sounds like for those of us who didn't watch, we didn't miss anything.

It doesn't surprise me that Kate displayed indifference last night. As predicted, those children are losing their value to her now. I agree with you Irene...five years from now Kate herself will be just a distant memory, and so will whats-his-name. Unfortunately, what we might be seeing in the future is back page tabloid articles about the victims - er I mean the eight little ones. I do hope someone with some morals will rescue them from this and as much as I do not like Kate, I hope she comes to her senses and gets professional help for her disorder. That would be one thing she could do "for the kids" that would mean something.

Wow, glad I didn't waste any time on it. Thanks for the recap Z and Kelly and watching it for us. She is an unsympathetic, untalented money whore. I can't believe she has any fans left. Does she have any feelings besides those to herself and to her money? She has pushed everyone away and I don't feel sorry that she is alone. Does she donate any of her money or time besides make a first-class appearance? What about volunteering some of her own cash to the church that helped her through the times when she had nothing. I hope when these kids grow up and see what kind of person she really is they will leave her alone and no one will feel sorry for her.

I agree with Z when he said that Kate sucked the emotion out of this "memories" show.

I believe she did know what each clip was beforehand, but thought it better to make like she was surprised or seeing them for the first time with the audience. We have seen time and time again how scripted all Kate's interviews/appearances are. She will never have an off the cuff public interview.

Pretending not to know which clip was coming up was ridiculous. TLC person off camera asking "do you know which one it is?" Give me a break!

Again, this station has underestimated the viewing public.

Her smarmy remarks directed towards Jon after a few of them were really low class and didn't belong on a show that was supposed to be "best of" categories.

They also repeated the clips every once in a while and I don't get what that was about. Fill time? How many times can we see "Hannah pooped in her unnerwears"

I watched about 3/4 of it while flipping to other channels.

I knew they couldn't NOT show the clip when Kate got back from her tummy tuck/hair makeover and told little Alexis ""I don't ever want to miss a week of your life again" . Including this clip in the show proved to us how self-absorbed she really is. She KNOWS everyone realizes how much time she is away from her children and yet they still showed that hyocritical statement.

I don' t believe for one second that these were "viewer's favorites". Just as in the Kate Q&A a few weeks ago was supposedly fans' questions. I think Kate went through some shows and picked out the ones she thought would "satisfy" her detractors. The few that showed her bad behavior towards Jon, she was instantly ready with her "that wasn't good and I shouldn't have done that" reply.

Sorry, Kate.. as usual, a little too late.

I enjoyed the show. There were many clips I had never seen as I have just recently started following this show. I think the Gosselin children are adorable.
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Does anyone know on what grounds Jon is suing TLC? Who is his lawyer now?
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Reply to Deb (2:19)

Please explain to me why you feel Kate did an "excellent job".

Frann..

You say that "you are just following the stupid media that wants to pick on Kate".

Do you realize how naive & broad that statement is?

No one (I dont' think) is picking on the clips that were shown, we've all seen them before. What is being criticized is that Kate sat there and commented as if she were not even interested in the clips. Each of her comments revolved around HER.

Why did we have to see her? Why not just have a voiceover of a mother telling what each clip was and some background info leading up to the clip or what happened afterwards.

I guess the answer to that is Kate had to be filmed so she could get her paycheck for the K&J+8 contract. See? There's an answer for everything.

I guess Frann's answer would be that the media is stupid, but Kate is smart.

Ohhhhh, yeah, that's it.

I did watch the entire show. It was a very thinly veiled attempt to redemm kate for her outrageous and disturbing behaviour.

Did anyone else notice that the wedding band is gone and the mother of pearl ring is on the third finger.....

Im very very disappointed in TLC and will cancel our subscription to their channel. Hopefully they will get the message.

What was the rating for this show?

I didnt watch and I dont even put TLC on in my house anymore. The comment to real fans about listening to media, I believe everyone here who aposes her behavior bases it on her own actions, not what the media says. Why would she warrant any "fans" I think most people who watched did so because of the kids. Its scary to think there are people out there who would support her actions as a mother or anything else. Not only do I want the TLC show off but I hope she never works in that buisiness again. Its ridiculous, she doesnt have any true talents.

Interesting point Aly, I guess there was no footage of Cara or Mady. I never thought about that until you brought it up. Maybe on one level maybe TLC or Kate or Jon felt they (Cara and Mady) were too old now and might be offended if clips of them were shown. On the other hand maybe I am giving them too much credit, maybe there was some other reason? Interesting. :) Thanks for that Aly.

Have a great day.

I actually watched a re-run around 7:00 pm last night of when the kids were playing hide and seek with Jon & Kate (and daddy hid in a closet, which was against the rules). It was fairly recently, but I swear that one episode was really good, and showed how they could have been a family if they all tried hard enough.

I'm over it. Except for reading Z's blogs, TLC can have them, I'm done with them.

I did however hear on the Today Show this morning that NBC was heavy advertising for the Table of 12 show. Maybe NBC has moved on too????

Hi Z,

Sorry you had to relive those special moments. I did not watch and I will not watch the next 2. I'll just check in with you and GWOP.

Didn't Kate have a meltdown of some sort in every episode? No Mady or Cara. Hmmm? That's sad, too. I guess that Kate can suck the joy out of anything. I am really glad that I do not actually know her.

Kelly, I enjoyed your recap and your sense of humor very much. Thank you for taking the time to write it for us.

Z, hang in there. You are almost finished. Maybe, you need the Xanax more than Kate.

Maybe you could be right. Ha. Z

The selfishness involved in Kate's treatment of those dogs was unprecedented.

I am sooo looking forward to this show fading into oblivion. And many of you might disagree with me, but quite frankly, I think it would be good for the kids if Kate continues to work fulltime, whether in entertainment or some other capacity. Those kids are better off spending most of their time with loving nannies than with their selfish, shallow and abusive mother.

I don't care what she or Jon do. They can go make a pile of money humiliating themselves, as long as it doesn't involve the children making money for them in any way, shape or form. Let them have some semblance of a normal childhood that's rooted in privacy, dignity and joy.

Let their greedy, selfish parents have the limelight while others, nannies or extended family members, teach them about how to be generous, how to behave with integrity and how to maintain healthy relationships.

That's my hope for the kids.

@ Iris | November 10, 2009 9:53 AM,

Sorry, I found fault with the show and have watched from the very beginning, including all the marathons. So there! Kate is annoying, not cute and not funny. Kate is mean. Just plan mean. To her husband, to her kids and everyone she comes in contact with. Kate is selfish, self-serving and self-centered. I watched the show for the longest with rose colored glasses. Only seeing cute kids and a struggling couple. It was wrong of me to contribute to Kate's narcissism, but no more. Throw down the kool-aid, Iris, and open your eyes. This show was a farce from the very beginning. And, no, I am not jealous and Kate is not nor has she ever been, nor will she ever be a single parent. Divorced mother of 8, but not a single (as in 8 kids and never married) mom. She can't rewrite herstory.

Somebody mentioned that Mady and Cara haven't been on the show much anymore. I personally feel they may have expressed their desire not to be on the show. They're older and I'm sure they're taking a rash of crap from the kids in their class because of their parents exploits in the tabloids and on the television. By the way, what kind of person pulls the B.S. that Kate and Jon pull on T.V. knowing that their 8 year old children are going to hear or see it? Idiots. How embarassing for the kids.

And I'm really tired of people choosing what side they're on in this ridiculous play of idiots in the spotlight. They are BOTH morons! What don't you people get about this? They are both exploiting their children, embarassing their children, and embarassing themselves. One is no better than the other.

Gawd . . . TLC should be raked over the coals for taking this family and putting their pathetic lives on televison for the world to ridicule. I hope the kids sue them someday for something . . . anything.

I agree: Jon and Kate are both fools. And TLC desrves all the criticism it gets for not ending this when the two said they were getting a divorce. God knows they made enough money. They could have spared the family the humiliation it is now going through. Thanks. Z

Iris @ 9:53am Thank you for the Kool aid comments regarding Kate: Her favorite moments last night.

I do not know where to start, but will try my best to get through this as civilly as I know how.

"I REALLY ENJOYED THE SHOW LAST NIGHT"
***** I am glad you did Iris. I enjoyed watching Robin Roberts on Joy Behar show explain/defend what her convictions are as a journalist, survivor of cancer, and her upcoming interviews tonight that in the past were done by Barbara Walters! Way Mississippi Girl Robin!

"I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF THE SHOW"
*** Glad you are Iris. I guess exploiting children, stretching the truth, and watching a woman who clearly believes her own publicity would make a fan out of anyone.

"IT WAS NICE TO SEE CLIPS FROM DIFFERENT SHOWS"
*** Sure watching and being reminded that the dogs were just a prop to fuel ratings, the kids were just a prop to fuel ratings, and the mom belittling the dad on that couch while mom has only been home for taping is a great reason to stroll down memory lane!

"AND MY GUESS IS MOST FIND FAULT WITH LAST NIGHTS SHOW NEVER REALLY WATCHED IT IN THE 1ST PLACE"

*******Let me clue you in Iris. I watched this show from documentary Twins twins and sextuplets thru the Separation announcement all the time. Whether a new episode, rerun or website webisode. I was front and center rooting for these parents and their brood. I have 8 kids I could relate. But somewhere between the Hawaii & this mess we now have things started smelling like a skunk might be lurking. All of a sudden memories were being rushed, interviews were getting faker, Kate was sitting in the interview chair like she would rather be with the bodyguard at a book signing. Money was being spent, house bought before the old one sold, material things being bought, Oh, yes and may I add a kitchen was being replaced when the one they had was fine. Oh, then we throw in dogs, who were discarded because the episode that brought in the bacon was over.

Oh, I feel myself getting reaching incivility better move on.........

"BUT SINCE THE MEDIA FRENZY CANNOT PASS UP A MOMENT TO SLAM KATE & TLC FOR WHATEVER MOTIVES"

******Let me tell you this Iris, If the High Heel fits then wear it. Kate & TLC brought this all on themselves. This was supposed to be the REALEST REALITY SHOW AROUND. It was supposed to be about a family & THE MULTIPLE BLE8SINGS they were given by God. These are 5 reasons (and I do have 50 or more) why I think Kate & TLC deserve what they are getting in this situation.

#1 Children are not a commidity to be sold to the highest bidder.

#2 Children should not be given something for the $$$ value it can lead to. ex: Dogs. Give them to them and just take them away during the roughest time of their lives. Not to mention the unfairness to the dogs.

#3 Family members and friends should not be discarded when they may not agree with what is going on. Just because a family member cannot give Brand new cribs and Gymboree outfits does not make them less of a family member.

#4 A corporation TLC (TELLING LIES CHANNEL TO ME) cannot produce a documentary about the lives of a family, then make unwitting, desperate family adhere to a strict contract that allows one family member to go trapsing the country 22 days out of the month, while the other one is silenced...and further tries to clearly manipulate a show and make an audience think that everything is "PEACHY KEEN" while it is really going down the toilet one episode at a time.

#5 Kate cannot possibly think that we can relate to someone who clearly is rude, obnoxious, and downright feels entitled to everything she gets. Well guess what this is the real world. Kate would not have made it this far without the children or the husband. I hate how Jon has acted out in these past months. It is downright dispicable, but it is only a symptom of the much bigger problem here.

Enough, I sit here at this computer so utterly disgusted right now. How could any mother or corporation or their interns ever justify what has transpired. And, to try to throw it on us the viewers...go take the High heels, rings, I'm wanna be a cartoon character for my kids....and find another defense!

Fantastic, Irene. Thanks so much. You are terrific. I can't thank you enough for this kind of informed and passionate post.Z

We should all feel sorry for kate gosselin. We really should. All the best things in life, she just doesn't 'get it'.

She would rather everything be clean, than for the kids to have a good time. They won't remember crayola factory for the good times, they will remember crying because their mom wouldn't let them use markers. (this is one example of how many??? too numerous to count)

The show last night was damage control for tlc and kate. It didn't work!

One issue that I had with her yakking last night was, after the clip of them going to the children's hospital, she said at the end, IT WAS A NICE TRIP.
....that says a lot about her lack of compassion and character.

I have an idea for Kate and TLC...they want to have massive ratings??? Have her examined weekly by a psychiatrist.

Maybe she and Jon were in cahoots with all this from the beginning, who knows. But, on last season's finale, he said they shouldn't film anymore. At least he came to the light later better than never. I hope he stands his ground.

Hey mom06: I hate to say it, but I think you are right about Kate and a psychiatrist -- even if you were kidding. Thanks. Z

Hi Iris, as a former fan and faithful viewer I don't think I can point out when it became obvious that something wasn't right. I do know it was definitely before the media storm hit.

I guess the biggest sign for me was the vow renewal, it seemed to me like a very surreal "episode" they didn't look at each other, or even laugh and touch it looked as though they were going through the motions and not doing a very convincing job either.

There are really so many signs now that in hindsight seem quite obvious but at the time although I knew something was off I just couldn't put your finger on it and I admit to blindly trusting what they were showing & saying.

I guess that's part of why we all have such strong opinions we were taken in and lied to and right up until last night TLC thinks they can just keep going and that we are collectively stupid and I for one deeply resent that!

I have 2 teenagers and I can say without a doubt how they would feel about having their lives out there for everyone to see... I can embarrass them just by being in the same room with their friends at this point so I can't even imagine what the kids go through at school. For J&K not to immediately jump into protective mode when it became obvious this was in no way good for their children is just completely mind boggling

Whoops...

The "Anonymous 10:49" post is mine, I guess I forgot to put my name on it.

That said, I am still waiting to hear from DEB as to why she feels Kate did an excellent job on last night's show.

But, as all of us here know, the statements like Deb & Frann posted are drive-byes. Those posters don't come back to prove their point.

Because there IS no point.

Hi all -- been reading Z's blog for a long time now but never got around to commenting. But Frann's comment that people here are relative newbies to J&K and are only out to bash Kate brought me out of the woodwork.

I admit, I'm not one who has watched the show from the beginning, but I was watching it long before the divorce was announced. I was flipping channels one day and noticed they were at the Strasburg railroad, and I thought, hey that's relatively close by. So I watched. I was taken back by how this family had a train car to themselves, didn't have to be involved with the crowd there to see Thomas, etc. But what really struck me was how rude Kate was to her husband, her kids, to the employees.

I kept watching the show to catch glimpses of places I know, but I always felt uncomfortable by the end of the show. I felt guilty by my role in helping to exploit those kids and keeping them on TV.

The only media that made me dislike Kate was TLC. TLC put the woman on stage in her full "glory." Kate showed herself to be an angry, bitter person with no help from anyone else.

Hi suep: Grerat insight. Thanks for sharing that history of your viewing and reaction. Z

Look at it this way Z. In a couple of weeks it will all be over and we'll throw a bit of a party here. A Farewell to Cons, if you will.
If some of Kates trueblue fans want to join in, they can bring Kate's "original" monkey munch. I'll see if I can't get my hands on a "sold out" Kate wig, someone can volunteer to wear an Ed Hardy t and come as Jon. We can take turns being Kate and take spiteful, vicious jabs at Jon. Someone else can be Hailey and others from a long list of burlesque characters that have latched onto this couple. Someone has to be Steve. (Z?) If anyone would like to donate old J&K+8 dvds, we can use them as coasters, as we want keep the place neat and tidy. No bad mouthing the kids, BYOB and don't forget the white resin lawns chairs.

Hi Sherry T, I didn't even consider that perhaps Cara and Mady expressed a desire NOT to be featured on the favorite moments espisode. Good point. I certainly wouldn't blame them. Perhaps they're "moving on" the best they can which can't be easy with a loony tune for a mother.

There is a commenter on GWOP that has the best idea for a show!!

She is a genius....she said to have Jon and the boys sit in the chair and talk about some clips... ya know, all the clips of her emasculating Jon and ignoring the icky boys.

..How about we start with Jon and the 'you are breathing too loud' comment, then we can follow up with the 'constipated episode', followed by the 'boys are just nasty' comment.....I WOULD WATCH THAT ONE

She did say boys are nasty last night. I forgot about that. Z

Reply to IRIS:

I do believe you are quite incorrect in your assumption that critics of K&J on this blog (or others) haven't watched the show from the beginning.

Most of us here have watched from the first special on Discovery channel.

And, that's why we KNOW this show has gone from being a cute little window into the lives of a family of multiples into a money making machine carried on the backs of 8 small children.

You say... "but since the media frenzy cannot pass up a moment to slam Kate and TLC for whatever motives".

Iris.. do you really believe that the majority of viewing public need a "media frenzy" to make them slam Kate & TLC? And, what are "whatever motives"? I, (we?) don't have "whatever" motives. We only want to see 8 innocent children be protected from a TV station and their parents. Plus, I assume that most of the viewing public of any show doesn't want to be sold a bill of phoney goods.

I do believe the "frenzy" of bloggers and media critics was a driving force behind Jon G's decision to stop filming of his children. I also believe he knew it was becoming detrimental to them when he voiced his concern at the end of last season's show. He made it about himself more, saying he wanted to be just JON and JON & Kate plus 8. But, even though he is exhibiting ridiculous behavior right now, I think deep down he is a good father.

So, Iris.. how do you think something becomes a "frenzy"?

Could it be that the subjects of that frenzy have put themselves out there pretending to be something they aren't?

Could it be that a major cable station has propagated a farce and sold it as truth?

Could it be that an average couple wasn't happy that they made tons of money and would not back away as it became obvious the family "job" was hurting their children?

There are thousands of celebrities whom we never hear one bad word about. Along comes 2 bumpkins from PA who saw glitz and money and all by themselves became a "media frenzy". Add to that, they still show no signs of stopping.

Iris.. I don't think any of us objected to the clips from the show, since they are of cute kids. Or at least six of the eight. What we DID object to is that fact that this "favorites" show was merely another damage control of Kate's personality.

It also shows us the desperate measures TLC will go to keep her on the payroll.

And, THAT, Iris, is a major mystery to all of us.

It was good to see some of the best and worst moments in this show. I loved watching the kids and I will miss watching them grow. I think now Kate realizes that she wasn't too nice to Jon and maybe she has regrets . They both reacted in a bad way, but now it's time to fix this mess. Whether they ever get together is the big question, but even if they don't they have to treat each other in a respectful and cordial manner. That's what good parents do and I know they love their kids!I wish you all the best Gosselins'!

I forgot to mention something that made me laugh when watching last night. Kate was talking about the various family photo shoots saying the one she enjoyed most was the fall photo shoot and how she had "correlated" all their outfits. That would be "coordinated."

Note to Kate: If you ever want a talk show, you're going to have to take a vocabulary class at night school first. Then once you understand big words, you can move on to a grammar class. That'll leave you a lot of time for your anger management therapy. I'm not sure what it will take to get over your self-centeredness, though.

It seems the TLC interns' "talking points" to take to anti-Kate blogs today is "you're just watching the stupid media." Which is funny because the stupid media loves Kate.

Hi Aly, I heard it as well. Z

When the dogs were brought up and poor Nala's dilemma I expected Kate to say something more sympathetic than "Yeah we are still paying for that, it was expensive" or something to that effect. But, what else should we have expected. Actually remembers the exact dollar amount that they spent on helping the poor animal. That is so like Kate.

For all the pro-Kate fans telling viewers not to judge Kate... let me tell you, the show wouldn't exist if the viewers didn't judge Kate. That's the reason why reality TV exists, because the viewers judge the participants or at least connect emotionally at some level to the drama that is being portrayed.

I think TLC misjudged the kind of judging that would be going on. At first, there was sympathy for the struggling parents and the cute kids. Then there was the drama of the tension and bickering between Jon and Kate, and the drama of the kids meltdowns (exaggerated for ratings, of course). So the viewers got to take sides, be grateful they only had 2 or 3 kids instead of 8, and continue to watch.

However, the entitled behaviour, and all the freebies didn't help. The struggling parents weren't struggling any more, and maybe never had. Kate's behaviour that once was quirky and "real" started to be perceived as obnoxious, rude and ungrateful. The perks upon perks became grating - and the kids looked unhappy, even in a controlled and staged environment. What seemed to be harmless and wholesome family entertainment started becoming uncomfortable, maybe even exploitative.
Dissenters raised their ugly heads in the blogs, and PA started an investigation on the kids work conditions.

With the divorce unavoidable, TLC decided to pit Kate against Jon, so that the viewers could continue judging.. the drama of the divorce got them the highest ratings ever. And with the help of the tabloid press, TLC made Jon the bad guy, the cheating immature husband to help the viewers forget the child exploitation issue, and focus the drama on the conflict between Jon and poor helpless victim Kate.

Don't judge? I don't think that's what TLC wants.

Deb -- with your comment 'Kate did an excellent job' -- is that you Debbie, aka, BabyMama. Sure sounds like you. So of course here you are trying to spread your Kate love where people who have seen through your hero for a long, long time now reside. Why not just slide back over to the little spot where your 5 frequent posters reside along with you and keep up the love fest. Kate's days are numbered. She is circling the drain as we speak.

I would be afraid if the show took the direction of Kate receiving Psychiatric treatment. Before you know it, Kate would have a diagnosis that would excuse her horrible behavior towards others as part of her illness. Next, she would be garnering more sympathy because she was ill.
Kate is not mentally ill but morally so. She has chosen to put herself on a pedestal while whoring out her kids to pay for her view.

Great comments on the episode - as usual the bloggers here have some astute oberservations.

I agree with the special focus on re-positioning Kate's behavior. She mentioned those tantrums being "old Kate' several times.

I was torn between:

"Wow, what a rough way to learn a life lesson. Good for her."

and

"Are we supposed to buy this story too? On top of all the other oddities that have been tossed to viewers? Seriously? So now the new Kate just knows how to hide these ugly reactions?"

Hi Wiki Editor: Yes, I agree to a large extent, but I think Kate has learned nothing in her narcissism except trying to find poses that play better with the audience. She seems strangely almost remotely detached from this family now. Like she has entered another space or something mentally. Who knows. But I do believe it is finis unless she and Jon reunite -- and who will trust that? Thanks. Z

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Z and Kelly-

Thank you for watching this. Just reading the recap details make me at once nauseated and livid, I can't imagine actually watching the trash.

Marie et al. I think the main reasons Mady and Cara are not filmed as much are 1) they cannot be controlled like robots like the little ones 2) Mady is too damn smart to not speak her mind about the deceit (see my post in the Favorite Moments thread).

Irene et al. do not waste your time and energy responding to the ridiculous sheeple/TLC spies. They will never "get it". (btw, I agree with and totally appreciate your comments in your response)

Z and Laurel -
Not only did K8 give her DVDs and books to those wonderful children (just what every kid wants!) she had the AUDACITY to compare her bedrest (can't remember, was it 30 weeks or 18 weeks or 12 weeks?) with the tups to those terminally ill children. K8 sucks.

The bedrest time frame keeps changing, depending on when Kate is telling the story. And thanks for that keen eyed insight into her giving her ridiculous book to these kids and their families. I am jkust not going to say a word about it. I think the act says all we need to know about her. Z

Look at it this way Z. In a couple of weeks it will all be over and we'll throw a bit of a party here. A Farewell to Cons, if you will.
If some of Kates trueblue fans want to join in, they can bring Kate's "original" monkey munch. I'll see if I can't get my hands on a "sold out" Kate wig, someone can volunteer to wear an Ed Hardy t and come as Jon. We can take turns being Kate and take spiteful, vicious jabs at Jon. Someone else can be Hailey and others from a long list of burlesque characters that have latched onto this couple. Someone has to be Steve. (Z?) If anyone would like to donate old J&K+8 dvds, we can use them as coasters, as we want keep the place neat and tidy. No bad mouthing the kids, BYOB and don't forget the white resin lawns chairs.

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Good idea, Chrysee!! I will bring my 'original' flag cake! My kids (well, just the girls, of course) love my cake!! We usually only have it once a year on a free trip sponsored by someone who 'loves us'.

Since I am so exhausted all of the time, ask someone else to bring the juicy juicy and maybe some heart shaped pancakes, grapes, crackers. And, risking severe punishment, someone better bring paper plates!! And don't park in my special parking spot!!
(snark). lol!

This sounds like a lot more fun than I have been having on Monday nights at 9. Thanks. Z

To Judge Not @1:34pm
Very well said. Your comment was a very well written synopsis of season 1 to the present.

One thing I just remember from last nights episode when they were talking about the filming of the fall photo shoot and how Hannah? I think came back in to give the "kids kisses". Kate said, I think we were at Beth's house?? Kate can't possibly have such short-term memory loss that she forgot that the fall photo shoot was at her best friend Beth's house. I think that was a deliberate remark from Kate because she has shut all of these "friends" out of her life.

Oh, please I cannot let my mind even go there. Reuniting this marriage for the sake of a reality program. Yuck!

Chrysee you are so funny. I get a giggle every time you post something. What will we do when we are not poking fun at the Goddess of the High Heel.

As for the Kate Kool aid camp. Be who you want to be~~~ In the Kate army! Her numbers on any given day truly do not outdo the numbers that have come to their senses ~~me included.

Cannot wait for the numbers to be whispered...from this past Monday night.

Avis, I know you are enjoying those new puppies and getting caught up on some much needed work, but WE MISS YOU GIRL. Please come back and enjoy what's left of this Have it Kate's way show!

Z- yes, that's it! I couldn't put my finger on what I saw with Kate's interview but it is detachment. Completely inappropriate affect given the circumstance. Still wonderif she is using pharmaceuticals and that is part of it but the woman is so wooden and hollow sounding. This is so tragic for the children. One of the basic needs of all children is attachment and security and they are not getting it from Kate. Jon, who is an immature jerk,at least seems to have a genuine bond with his kids .

Yes, tahnks. Her saying "precious" over and over became the objective correlative for me of her inability to respond with real emotion. It was like she was looking at movies of people she barely knew. It was very strange. Maybe that detechment is what she has learned from being on TV so much lately. She has learned that it is a "cool" medium after all. Thanks, Cathy. Z

Hi Aly, I couldn't agree with you more about Kate's vocabulary skills (or lack thereof). I also caught her incorrect usage of "correlate," and I shudder every time she says "agreeance" instead of "agreement." I was so happy the day she co-hosted "The View" and Whoopi Goldberg told her, "There is no such word as positivity." (Technically, it is a word but why would anyone use it over "positive"?) Kate's response was, "It's OK to make up words." Does she tell her kids that, too?

I missed that exchange on "The View." God bless, Whoopi. Thanks for sharing that. Z

Z, thanks for your re-cap! Truly enjoyed Kelly's take as well. I could hardly stand the section about the Dog! Kate made herself appear even more unsympathetic when she talked about the expense. She is getting some bad advice or if not, she isn't taking any good advice she's given! Does she even care how she comes across to the viewers or has she elevated herself to a "higher realm"?

I know, all she could talk about was what the dog cost -- not that they had to cut the poor animal open. I am not going to get started or i will really get angry about her insensnitivity again. Z

I have to agree with Deb and Iris. Kate did a good job last night. Let me count the ways:
She showed up to film. She sat there and made asinine comments. She tried to make herself look better by excusing her meltdowns, providing remarks how Jon changed and she hadn’t, told us it was the “Old Kate” who behaved not so well, laughed at herself to justify “Meltdown Kate”, made sure we all knew SHE was the one who, between speaking engagements, noticed the dog needed medical attention and reminded everyone how much that cost the family and basically kept talking nonstop about herself. She kept the twins out of the favorite moments because, why, ummm, I, ahhhh, well they aren't that cute or infantish anymore. Oh, she cashed the paycheck for the show, too.
Yeah, I would say she did a good job.

Good job, tj. And I don't mean 'good' the way you do with Kate. Really, very deft, especially in poiting out how she said she was somehow authentic and Jon wasn't. And how anything bad that happened on film was the "old" Kate. Now she had a higher consciousness. Right. Z

Did you notice when Kate was in the cancer ward with the ill children, she knelt down and asked a little girl how old she was and when he birthday was, the little girl said "I'll be 4 on March 28th" and Kate bellowed, "Oh my gosh, do you know that my birthday is
March 21!!!!!!!!" Like it made them practically twins. It all had to be about Kate! An ill child could have said, "I have a headache" to her and Kate would have said something like,"Honey, you aint HAD a headache till youve had one of MY headaches!!!" Sickening. And the comment about Nala's surgery costing $2000 was beyond cold. The sweet little dog is supposed to be a family member! (I have a german shepherd that looks exactly like Nala and sometimes I call him "Nala" just to be silly.) Would she say, "Alexis's bit lip cost us $1800!" Sheesh! I used to try to turn a blind eye to Kates insensitivities...but I just cant anymore. She used to be so much more real in the early shows, bossy yes, but not the diva that she is now. On another note, I personally hope Jon gets COOKED by TLC.

Hi peasoup: Thanks. Great point about birthdays. That's narcissism for you, isn't it? And you know the dog stuff makes me crazy mad, so I am not commenting. Thanks for your comment, though. Z

I remember during the Hawaiin trip sham, some of Jon's relatives arrived at the hotel. It seemed that none of them had ever met Jon before. One of the older men said something like "you are more handsome than on tv" Plus, I remember Kate saying how great it was to have Jon's grandma (or an other older woman) in the "audience".

So, not only does Kate refer to her life in "seasons", but her in-laws as "audience" Talk about living in a Bizzarro World!

Plus. during that thing last night, Kate was quite animated and cackling. Is she just that way for TLC based shows? Seems during any interviews, even with the Morales Sham last week, she sits like a mannekin and never moves her head, speaking in a strange monotone.

Does she feel she really "owns' TLC people?

She acted surprised that she came off so bad in the clips of her yelling at Jon. She was SHOCKED and embarrassed that Jon asked her "when are you taking the stick out?" Now, you know that she & Jon watched every episode, probably before it was put out to the public. So, did she feel regret at that time and apologize to him? Probably not.

But, she sure tried make like she was regretful last night as she watched the clip. Too late, Kate. You don't fool anyone. She said a few times that Jon had changed, but she remained the same.

Same as what? Different hair, different body, different clothes, different house, different show, but same ole attitude.

Aiiiyiiiiyii "audience." Isn't that just Kate's world: There's her and there's the audience. Z

In regards to Kate's explanation of her past behavior being the "old Kate" and now she is the "can do Kate", do you think she maybe had a sort of epiphanyish?

I cannot stand the way she kept saying "I'm not just giving excuses......but" (there was always a 'but' indicating that she was indeed giving excuses.)

One thing I noticed that I haven't read in the comments yet is when the producer tells her the viewers voted that the trip to Disney World was one of the best trips. She responded very sarcastically, "Really?" She was so disingenuous when she finally relented that it was a good trip. I remember seeing on one of the "Jon & Kate early years" shows footage of their honeymoon to Disney and she was thrilled to death to be there. Guess once you've hit the spa life going to Disney with your kids (who should love it) is no fun.

Well okay then Mo6, we really should get organized. Everything needs to be correlated. Depending on how many people come - we'll need at least three [organic] grapes per person. And someone better start clipping coupons for the [organic] pizza or they'll be shot.
No P people better show up either. It might be a crazy party, but it's R party. Are we in agreeance with this or not?

That is brilliant. I tried to write a comeback, but couldn't come up with anything close. Yikes, though, it reminded me of that scene where Kate kept demanding that Jon produce the receipt and he couldn't. Yikes.Z

Hi Z, Hi MarieE,

I don't think Kate is capable of having any epiphanyish. Too bad too. She could use one.

As far as Kate not changing ( I know. I cannot get my head around that one either) But, maybe, Kate means that she has always been selfish, mean spirited, ungrateful and difficult. She is who she is. With Kate, you get the bad, the bad and the ugly. Did I forget the good. Whoops! That was on purpose. Have a good day Z.

"I was me all along," she said. "Jon discovered he was somebody different than we had known him to be."

FIrst off, who is "we"? You & TLC?

Ok, Kate, are you saying that the man you were married to for 10 years was a fake all that time? Was he fooling you all those years , while he put up with your nagging and screaming? Wow, pretty good acting, I would say.

By discovering he was "different" do you mean because he finally had ENOUGH and said so? That he was sick of being belittled and embarrassed in public by his wife?

In one of his interviews, Jon admitted that when they were dating, he liked Kate because she was a "take-charge" person who gets things done and he admitted that he was more laid back and "lets see what happens" sort of guy".

But, Kate, you married an insecure boy who grew to be a man. But, you treated the man the same as you treated the boy and he tolerated it for too long.

So, there is your "somebody different". Yes, he DID change, he grew up. But, as you said, you did NOT change and that's true. After 10 years, you are still the nagging screamer.

Which is worse?

Brilliant. Yes, who is "we"? I was me along...Wow...Z

Thanks for fixing my previous comment, I accidently submitted a draft. So much to say, and such a little text entry box!

I know. Seriously, the comment formula could definitely use some improvement. I am told they are working on softward issues to make it easier. Z

marieE @ 3:42 said:

During that thing last night, Kate was quite animated and cackling. Is she just that way for TLC based shows?

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I have noticed the same thing with Kate...starting about a year ago. She makes love to the camera on her show, but whimpers to the camera on the Today show. She is a big phoney!

Also, the paps follow her everywhere and you never see any candid photos of her smiling. I think that's very telling.

I sincerely hope these kids don't fall into some type of drug habit when they're teens/early 20s to anesthetize themselves from the pain their mom is causing (a la Michael Jackson). It's just so tragic.

I truly hope there is some type of intervention. They all need to be in therapy...family, couple and individual counseling.

I did not watch from the beginning so some of the verbal abuse Jon took, I had not seen. Ahhh, but wonderfulness of YouTube I was able to to find those moments. Particularity when using the search terms of Jon & Kate ugly moments, I got to see and hear first hand the abusive remarks by Kate. I could see the pain on Jon's face and I was embarrassed seeing her yell & scream in public at him. The coupon issue, hounding until he stopped what he was doing for a stupid coupon. The remarks, did you hear what I said, and repeat them. She was talking to him disrespectfully. I am a woman and to me she treated him like he was the hired help. Now I see why he has acted the way he has, disrespected and not being treated kindly, yelled at, and belittled. She gave him absolutely no respect.....give him something for respect......hell he was the sperm donor!

I agree: The coupon thing was ugly. Thanks. Z

@btw
"when the producer tells her the viewers voted that the trip to Disney World was one of the best trips. She responded very sarcastically, "Really?" She was so disingenuous when she finally relented that it was a good trip."

Well it's like this: they didn't shut down WDW for the Gosselins so it didn't rate with Kate.

Z - I make fun of Kate because I think the woman has a public flogging coming to her, albeit via the internet. She's made a mockery of family values and opened a pandora's box that her children will be forced to handle as they grow up because of it. If I didn't laugh at her deranged attitude, I'd cry about how tragic this has turned out for the G. kids.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to the spa.

I cannot watch any clips from the St Jude's episode. You see my child was diagnosed with Leukemia at age 10 and we were at a childrens hospital off and on for over five years. So watching Kate pretend to give back makes me ill and frankly if I had been one of those moms the cameras would have been told to GO AWAY. In fact I recall a local tv station doing a story on the childrens clinic back when my daughter was sick and I actually got angry and would not let them film us for their pitiful news story. We were not going to be monkeys in a cage for all the world to pity.
In any event, we were one of the lucky ones, my daughter is a "healthy" adult now :-D !!!!, in remission for many years !!!
Kate Gosselin can kiss my skinny white arse, yard sale money donated I think was about 1,000 from what I remember! Now folks think about that - IT WAS NOT EVEN HER MONEY ! Also, Kate should know that Cancer Kids and their Moms dont need to be patronized by hearing her say they are my inspiration or some such crap. Kate should be advised that but by the GRACE of God there goes she. But, Kate thinks those things dont happen to HER and HERS- those things only happen to the rest of us. Besides, if one of her kids were ill, she would have the nanny take them to the clinic ! OMG I am so sorry I am ranting.

Hi Dana, I totally agree with your position. I have been writing about TV for three decades, and I have always throught those cameras were intrusive and the twerpy, self-absorbed Tv people knew nothing of what the families were going through and their talk of "giving back" was ludicrous if not obscene. I thank you for your testimony.
Z

do we know what the ratings were for last nite's show yet?

Give Kate a break, she had to live with that idiot.
Best of luck Kate , hope to see the kids soon.

btw:

K8 was thrilled to death on her honeymoon (yes, I said HER honeymoon,didn't matter if Jon was there or not) because K8 and K8 alone was in the video. I distinctly remember her asking Jon over and over " r u getting me ? r u filming me ?" Even in the video when they got engaged (even then, their REALIST reality was staged) K8 asked Jon several times if the camera was on.

And I can guarantee the Disney Trip wasn't the kids' favorite either - all they will remember is their psycho mother having a tissy over dribbled ice cream.

Some of these comments have me rolling. I am laughing so hard, I just cannot stay mad at these dummies. (I still despise TLC though)

You know I wonder what 2010 will be like for Kate.

Will she need bodyguards, and weekly spa visits, and tanning visits,2 nannies,a gardener, 3 cars,starbucks everyday. Will the Rodeo drive in Reading Pennsylvania be graced with her presence daily?

Hmm...so much to laugh about....so much to wonder...

Z...maybe you can find out or someone out there. Jon Gosselin is doing promos for The Insider again.

Are they hiring him to be a cohost or something?

It is so cheezy the intro...and it will make you laugh...but beyond that...is his defense against this lawsuit looming gonna be that the man is just "Stuck on Stupid"? lol

Anyway, Kate you are losing air time to your other village idiot...hehehehe...because at least he is trying a new gig...while you keep trying to sponge off the old gig that is worn, abused and yesterdays story...

Why is anyone surprised at how the Gosselins treated those two free product placement dogs?? They were never more than show props, probably thought up by TLC. Is it any wonder that, even though TLC would have footed the bill for routine doggy care, Kate sent them back when they posed any sort of inconvenience to her? And the nerve of Nala to swallow a toy, thereby costing Kate $2000!! I'm sure that was the last straw. I am, frankly, not surprised in the least.

First time commenter and recent reader here....but long time viewer. Didn't catch all of the show...got bored and tired of K8 the narrator instead of K8 the parent/mother's heartfelt memories.

That said, on the dog issue and vet bill commentary...remember that whole episode when they got the dogs....remember how K8 controlled everything...she had to pick the names, had to go in first and pick the dog (Nala I think) and even said, "I've got mine let's go"....she didn't let the kids do anything ...it was all for show...and her show at that...because later in that new puppies episode we learned that they peed and pooped on the rugs...oh the horror (and what did she think they were going to do, go on the potty), and of course she couldn't stand it and she immediately left it all up to the kids and Jon to be the caretakers of them (who could've predicted/known that -sarcasm there)...Even though Khate admitted she wasn't a dog person, she still had to ruin it for the kids by picking the names and picking out the dogs..even though she knew she had absolutely no interest in them to begin with and certainly wasn't ever planning on taking care/training them....So to hear her complaining about the cost of the vet for the dog...well I wasn't surprised. Can you say, shallow, and self absorbed...and cruel.

And lastly,on the the tummy tuck return clip and the "Hi Mommy, hi mommy"..remember she had just come in and the kids were in their cribs for naps...and she'd been gone a week and didn't even pick up the kids from the crib and give them hugs and kisses and say I missed you like most normal parents. I think she even said, I didn't pick them up because it was supposedly their nap time (and obviously one kid wasn't sleepy in the least)...um hello who cares about the nap you just got home after being gone a week! Pick them up give them huge hugs/kisses (heck I was even screaming at her to pick her up because the little girl (Alexis? or Leah?) was so damn cute with her "hi mommy"...I myself wanted to pick her up and give her a huge hug and kiss because she was so adorable there. Then if she had to she still could have placed her back down in the crib and told her naptime if she insisted but nope not Khate...nope she stands their pats her on the back and tells her yes mommy's pretty. Gawd, how insensitive.

But many of you here already know/knew that.

I really worry about those kids.

I am by no means a Kate fan, but to the poster who questioned why she didn't pick the kids up after she came home from the tummy tuck, I would guess that she couldn't. It's abdominal surgery.

I call Kate out on all her BS, but I don't think we can pick on her for that. Should she have showered them with kisses and hugs rubbed their backs? Absolutely. But picking them up? Probably not a good idea.

I speak from semi-experience as I had to have an unexpected c-section, and it was really rough. I totally underestimated how much the abdominal core comes into play when moving around. Completely OT but I will never understand the women that choose a c-section who do not medically need one. I think they are nuts. The recovery was painful and long, and one year later (munchkin's 1st b-day is this week!) I am still having problems.

Dana- what a heartfelt and touching post. I am so glad your daughter is doing well =) It is very interesting to hear the perspective of a parent whose child was in a similiar situation.

The St Jude episode was my last. Just thinking about it makes my blood boil.

Former J&K-eight fan @ 7:18 PM...

If I remember correctly, Kate couldn't pick the kids up out of the cribs after her tummy tuck because it was part of her recuperation. I don't think she was allowed to lift anything over a certain weight limit.

Also, regarding the dogs...the whole situation is unspeakable. I've raised several labs from puppies and for the life of me I could not figure out why on God's green earth Kate -- germophobe, control freak that she is -- would get not 1, but 2 German shepherds in a house full of kids. Just defies all reasoning & shame on the breeder for allowing the dogs to go into such a home....for so many reasons. Kate is not a fit pet parent, by any means. Two German shepherd pups is way too much to take on in a family of 8 unless you have experience rearing puppies. Now the pups are gone and while I'm sure they're in a better place, where does that leave the Gosselin 8?

Does anyone remember in the episode when they got the pups, Mady saying, "I want him to love me and only me." How telling.

Also...does anyone remember the episode with the O.C. Choppers and they were having a picnic outside? Kate was flirting shamelessly with one (or maybe all) of the O.C. guys. At one point one of the dogs came over & tried to eat their lunch. Kate screeched to Jon, "JOOOONNNNN!!! Get these disgusting creatures away from me!!!!" Jon was all, "What do you expect? You put the food on the ground."

The woman is just abominable.

Dana,

I am really glad to hear that your daughter is in remission for many years. That is wonderful. I agree that many of the "give back" episodes of Jon and Kate left much to be desired. Those children at St. Jude looked very ill to me. I think you are right these "reality" TV shows are not the right format for these very sensitive issues.

Former J&K fan I am with you. I am ticked about the dogs. Mostly, the just get rid of things no longer needed theme with Kate Gosselin is what ticks me off. Family,friends,husband, dog,material possessions.

The Tummy tuck. I do not like sticking up for Kate. I do not think after that surgery she was able to pick up the babies for awhile. (might be the answer) but I just saw the last 5 minutes of her High fallootin' best moments & the gall of that woman to sit on that throne and not even thank the Glassman's for what they gave her but subtly saying "she had back pain" because of extra skin after the sextuplets~~~ she had to have the surgery. Please who on earth are the handlers of this Wreckazoid?

And, to say "we" when referring to the change in Jon...somehow justifying it & trying to pull in those beautiful children.Let me tell you something Kate...those children are not as controlling, narcissistic, and down right cruel as you. That is their dad. Those 8 children would not be here without him. UGH!

Man, oh man...there is a special place for this woman. How befitting that she is the only one left on the throne.

Forget the lawyers for TLC having a "scorched earth strategy" Kate does it all by herself.

Oh, I am so glad I only caught a couple minutes I would be on this blog all night.

TLC you really should have had the camera & production crew do this episode. You really should not allow that woman to open her mouth.

So many smart, funny and astute comments.

My favorites so far are:

Judge not @ 1:34 p.m. Excellent and insightful synopsis of why so many people are so fed up and furious with these two boneheads for parents and especially with TLC. I've been boycotting TLC for more than a year and every time I come back to Z's blog, it just reinforces my decision to cut TLC out of my viewing habits.

The other comment is from Chrysee @ 4:09 p.m. and I nominate her blogger of the day. I'm in agreeance that you, Chrysee, are hilarious. Your comments always rock!

I'm not here to defend Kate but she could not pick up the kids because she had just had her tummy tuck. I believe they commented on the show that she had to wait on week before doing any lifting.

Kathleen,

I do remember the chopper episode with the picnic and the dogs. That was typical Kate she always saw the dogs as an annoyance. Jon was right she put the food on the ground. So what if they get a little nibble. We feed our dog table food. And aren't labs great too. My uncle had several black labs when we were growing up. They are very nice dogs, one of them always carried something around in her mouth.

Also, agree with Kathleen and Laurel on the tummy tuck, she couldn't lift the kids. So we will have to give her an okay for that one.

Ooops my bad on the tummy tuck pick up part...I had totally forgotten that....and you all are right....there are so many other examples of her heartlessness and control freak/ocd tendencies to comment upon here.

That said, I still found that child's face and commentary just priceless and irresistible and after being gone a whole week, I would have rushed over and at the very least given her a huge,long squeeze and smothering bear hug and just showered her with endless kisses.

Anyway, love the commentary here. Enjoy the day.

Any word on the ratings yet?

Hi Z,

Another poster gave me an idea for the name of Kate's new show. It could be ...drumroll...

Give Kate a Break. HA!!!

btw, The dogs will always bother me, too. We have 3 boxers and I cannot imagine life without them. The dogs were our 1st grandkids. Kate, you stink!

Wouldn't it be something if the kids wanted to live full time with their dad in the "kids house"? No more mansion for Kate except every other weekend.

I have a theory about Jon and his current behavior.

See, Jon reminds me of some friends. They were a typical family: both worked hard to pay the bills and raise the family but the family part really was the wife's domain in that she made all the decisions about childrearing and the household. Family then became ridiculously wealthy and there was no reason for either one to work again. Wife kept up with her duties of running the household but the husband suddenly had nothing that made him feel like he was contributing to the family. Sure, he was the dad and loves his kids but he had little say in actually raising them. He felt totally useless inside his home, so he went out to find someone who would make him feel needed and important, but in doing so, he went off the deep end in his behavior.

I've seen the same kind of thing happen to women who eschewed an outside career to raise a family and always put family first, only to go into a tailspin when the kids left home.

I think that's what happened to Jon. When he left his job, he left behind the one thing that gave him some autonomy and sense of purpose, even if he didn't do his job well or didn't want to be there. Kate ruled the family but also the family business, and frankly, as rewarding as parenthood is, every parent needs more in their life than being mom or dad. Jon's behavior is acting out, not much different than Mady's. But while hers is a cry for affection, Jon's is a cry to be somebody important in some way -- and for the past five years, the sense of importance in the Gosselin world was being in the media.

As for Kate and her behavior, it goes way back before TV. When the nurses at the hospital heard she was pregnant for the second time, the general response was "not that witch again."

What I think is funny about Kate is that she is a Pennsylvania redneck (and I say that as one myself) and she can't admit it. So she makes a fool out of herself trying to be sophisticated.

Suep, I am curious how you know that the reaction of hospital people was when Kate got pregnant again?

Nosey really is all.

As far as Jon, I have a feeling Jon is rooted in a little bit of "spoiled rotten" possibly. He seems to be all over the blotter these days. I do not know what caused it, but it is not helping his cause anymore to keep goading TLC. He could really face some serious financial repurcussions for violating his contract. I am not talking about refusing to have his kids participate in filming, that is about the best thing I have seen from anyone involved in the Gosselins. I am talking about trapsing around with Paparazzi, The Insider and other media outlets. Tlc has hired attorneys that are in no way, shape or form playing games. And, all I see out of the Jon camp is fun and games.

I agree with your theory suep!

I went over to ROL to see if maybe TLC had fed them some ratings, but nothing. Seems to me the ratings for the Kate/Morales interview showed up on ROL fairly quickly. Maybe since we haven't heard, TLC isn't too happy with them.

Hi Aly, You nailed it. Please see my previous comment just posted about what it means that TLC is not feeding them to its tabloid friends: the ratings are bad. Thanks. Z

EYM -- you hit the nail right on the head! I have felt the same way as you all along. A woman's identity is her home and children. A man's identity is his work and the way he provides for his family. Same as the most important thing for a woman is love. The most important thing for a man is respect. That ties in with the home/work thing. Glad to hear someone else gets it! Thanks!

Oops! I meant "Suep". I looked at the wrong line.
Z, I absolutely love your blog, because you call it like it is.

Yea, glad the ratiings for Monday were not good. I was so bored I really got lost in the second half of the Kate show on Monday and really didn't finish it. Maybe the show is finally over.

Just a sad observation: TJ's recounting of Kate's conversation with a pediatric cancer patient reminds me of a New Yorker cartoon by the wonderful Ms. Roz Chast. She suggested a line of greeting cards for narcissists, and the tag line read, "Wow! Your birthday is really close to mine!"

watching HER recap or watching reruns gives me the same feeling, how can she not realize how stupid she comes across? Everything she does that is tacky or in poor taste is brushed off with "did I SAY THAT? or on a show today about the girls cooking class how she AND Jon both say "if the kids make it, WE DON'T eat it" and then right in front of the kids she calls it a gloppy mess and throws it away (after she states the recipe got messed up because you were supposed to do things in two steps and she just threw it all together - kind of like with Jon's Korean recipe that she felt he didn't need to follow directions) AND SHE'S WRITING A COOK BOOK? Why do you need to buy her cook book if you don't need to follow recipes to make stuff? re Kate's multiple personas - she wears one type makeup and talks like she 'knows' her script when she's coming off good, and she wears less doneish eye make up stuffies and talks baby talk when she is going for sympathyness. (can't have that mascara "ruining" her natural beauty, that would be like, oh, ummmm, ice cream on a little girls dress-that you could wipe off with a wet cloth and because it was 900 degrees out that day it would be dry immediately.) Speaking of which, did you all catch the pics of her taking kids to the bus in her lovely black cap with no makeup? UGHHHHHH! and then re the dogs, funny that since it was Hannie's toy horse they didn't stress whose toy it was and then when the vet told Jon the dog had to be quiet for what ever amount of time, jon brought nala home and let her out in the yard with Shoka because 'they are outside dogs'. like I said somewhere, they were able to send the dogs back to the breeder, so couldn't Jon send Kate back to her parents (unless the breeder would want to try to train her).

Another blog is reporting ratings :

1.615 million

Hi, Yes, please see gosselinssuck comment at about 6:29 p.m. tonight. I wrote a comment back. I believe the number is correct, and it means Kate is history. So much for her ratings surge and all the phony hype TLC tried to build aroudn last week's inflated ratings thanks to NBC's Today show. All that can save them now is a reunion. Z

Hi Z-

I don't see the comment to which you are referring ? I know my eyes are getting bad in my older age, but I didn't think they were that bad !

In any case, thanks for your comments, thanks for your wisdom, thanks for your responses !

Here, I am pasting the comment and my comment for you

Z from TV By The Numbers:
TVBill says:
November 11, 2009 at 3:15 pm

Monday’s fka Jon & Kate got 1.615 million…

Guess Ms. Katie's facetiousness is not really much of draw, eh?

Thanks. I have been chasing Lou Dobbs resignation story. Post now up. I might confirm this and post it if I can finish a couple of other things quickly. TVbythenumbers is excellent. I have never known it to be wrong. And if the number is right, so much for Kate's so-called ratings surge. Let's be frank, at 1.6 million, "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is ending with a whimper." Z

Irene -- I live near the hospital where both sets of multiples were born. I know people who work at the hospital and my sister is good friends with a number of the maternity room nurses. I didn't realize until the show was well under way that they were the family with the septuplets -- it was a nice front page story and then it blipped out of my brain. I brought it up to friends when I discovered the show and such, and that's when they'd roll their eyes and say things like, "Oh, HER."

To your point about Kate 'sucking the emotion out' of the clips, Kate is where emotion and empathy go to die. She's a truly odd bird. They say it takes all kinds, but I'm kinda' thinking there are a few kinds we could probably do without.

glad the #'s are going, going, gone (or as good as). But now I've heard a disturbing comment about what if this is going to have a 'happy ending' and they will get back together since Jon is reinventing the Old Jon and Kate is waiting for a phone call from the Old Jon? WHAT could they possibly film that we want to see? Kids copying each other, parents and kids using their favorite albeit disgusting vocabulary (poop and pee-not what I consider normal discussion topics), kids going to dentist/doctor/barber (gee, my kids did that too, wow), going on 'yet another' FREE trip while average people struggle to feed, clothe and house their family, Kate out doing the celebrity trips to educate us on how to raise kids (long distance),writing a cookbook (but explaining on several occasions how 'real' cooks don't need to follow recipes-she wrecked parts of Jon's Korean dinner and the twins cake), and on and on and on! Please let the #'s matter and let them go home.

Hi barbee: God forbid, but I am actually going to cite Radaronline. I think they are either paying for or in some kind of agreement with Jon's lawyers to get his legal filings before they are filed. If what they are saying today about Jon's countercharges against TLC, I do not think they will ever work together again. I am going to look into this as soon aqs I have a second. Z

I really think is a great mom and I like watching the show. John doesn't want to grow up, and just wants to party. How can he take care of his children he doesn't work. Kate is the one who writes the books. All John does is smoke and drinks, and of course be with different women.

how long will it take for the devoted stay at home mom to just have to make an emergency run to NYC for a $200 lunch at Nobu?

I don't know gang. Seeing all the tabloid shows this evening, they are all the talk about Kate's new doo. During a commercial break, G. Gordon Liddy appeared with an ad about gold. His doo looks MUCH better than Kates.