Hmm...not surprising.

Sidenote~ I saw a little bit of Little People Big World and the lying channel true to their insensitivity is editing that show & exploiting the obvious marital tension between two people whose 22 years together is strained as the children start leaving the nest. It really is sad. Here these parents who only had some land & a farmhouse accomplished alot, made great improvements for Little People of America and all Tlc wants to do is show the strain that the spotlight can have.

As far as Kate:Kate and more Kate. Please we all understand now crystal clear the agenda~~ My guess is the "indefinate Hiatus" is just until we get statements that Jon has been broke & now the show must go on. The lying channel doesnt care about anything but getting to those 8 precious children. And, they do not care who they ruin or what happens to achieve that.

You bet these children will not have anything to show for what has happened to them in the end.

I hope TLC spends a FORTUNE promoting Kate. I hope the judge does not grant Kate the right to use the kids in filming again when she has custody.

I agree with you Irene about Little People Big World. It's really a shame that they can't step back and look at what's happening.

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Glad the ratings are stayinig on the lowish side. Like Irene not surprised. Wonder why the second episode ratings were higher than the first, I quit watching in the middle. Hmmmm.

Anyway - FlashForward and 30 Rock tonight. Everything is on tonight. Sorry I missed the history channel WWII documentary. Wish I could be everywhere at once.

Hey, good news - I am unblocked from Z on TV at work, they don't care if I check on my downtime (breaks) just can't blog from work. They are allowing us to read newspapers etc. Radiology Associates is a good group - Dr. Greenspan is my personal favorite. Also interesting to me anyway our reports are called ZZZ reports.

Have to get something done - everyone have a great day.

I was very glad TLC took the high road and showed us exactly what Jon was really like. He had stopped taking his responsibility for his family seriously.

While I don't like Kate's personality, she at least still takes her responsibility seriously.

Kate will have to get an even bigger purse to hold all the new bills she can't pay. And worse, no one to carry it anymore!

Irene, this is great news about the numbers, but I don't think I had heard that the show is going on 'indefinite hiatus'. Did TLC really say that? I thought this was the end of J&K+8. Please tell me you didn't hear TLC say it is just on hiatus. Do these people have no conscience? Well, what a stupid question. Of course they don't.

I think TLC preys on people and waves money in their faces, to participate in this farce. I'm sure the little people playing up the marital problems was just for ratings, they are trying to recreate the Jon and Kate hoopla. There was enough Jerry Springer reality shows on other channels and I think before all this people enjoyed watching something a little more wholesome. It may be a big wish but I would like to see TLC shut down. I watched the Hayes Family on regis last week. The father was asked how the filming goes, he said 3 or 4 days a week. He also said they call to see what the family is doing and ask if they could tag along with very small cameras, I'm sure that was a TLC response, I also noticed it was the only show that didn't ask what they thought about the Gosselins. Hmmm Kelly talks to Kate. and Regis back in the summer predicted Jon and Kate would get back together. I know I'm cynical at this point but I don't put anything past these lunatics.

TLC is the worst cable network. I happen to catch "Little Couple" and it was deja vu: couch interviews, trip to Hawaii, trip to NYC to appear on an Oprah spawn show (Dr. Oz) and making strangers a part of a very private decision about having a baby. Their formula seems to be take a family that is "different" and exploit them. Even better, if there is conflict, TLC promotes it. I'm glad Jon and Kate is over although I suspect we haven't seen the last of Kate Gosselin, but I would like for TLC to continue to be exposed and shamed for these types of broadcasts. I'd say our work is just beginning. Thanks, Z, for being one of the first broadcast journalists to acknowledge that this type of programming is unacceptable.

Kate will find a way to pimp out the kids to "support" her family and ick on anyone that has anything to do with her exploitation of her children. She and Jon are really pretty disgusting and thankfully their 15 minutes of fame are fading. No telling what other tasteless venture is in store for any of them. Pity the kids, all this dirty laundry out in cyberspace for their friends and enemies to access forever!

You know what BBF's I cannot wait until Thanksgiving.

There will be a CNN special on about Heroes.

Real Americans who give & expect no gift bags/free spa visits/or suites in return.

They do things for people because they want to & not because they are getting paid to.

They encourage others by being an example & not discourage people on how low people will crawl & scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Finally, they do the next right thing...they do not let the next thing ruin them.

Sorry, The Lying Channel and Kate you will not be highlighted in this show. Why don't you try to get Kate booked on the Dr. Drew Show~Celebrity Rehab. Maybe he can fix the brand, because Dr Phil just was not able too.

Hi Z,

I agree with you Irene, in that I do think there won't be anything left for the kids. Jon and Kate saying the house was the kids was a joke. That will be one of the 1st things to go. Kate thinking that the kids want that house is absurd.

TLC is a terrible channel, IMO. So many of their shows are like walking into a freak show. And, yes, I did go to some freak shows when I was younger. They were still around in my late teens.

I haven't watched any shows on TLC in a long time. It makes me really sad to think that they are trying to highlight the Roloffs problems in their marriage. It makes me want to slap them upside the head.

It also makes me wonder why we, the tv viewing public, stand for this crap. It really is the dumbing down of America.

Dang that many people watched it, I'm surprised. I was watching WWII in HD this week.....

I agree with Irene though about TLC trying to drum up drama on Little People, they tried some of that last season too. I hope Matt and Amy are smarter than Jon and Kate were and if it gets to be to much pull the plug.

Yes, Barbara what I am saying about indefinate hiatus is true. The articles surrounding the lawsuit Tlc has quote the uncertainty of the show. See, without the kids there really is no show. That is what has Tlc all up in arms. Jon effectively has shut them down. They are suing him for Breach of Contract to break him and get to be able to film the children & Kate.

This is not over. This is just a season Finale. Jon will never probably be on the show again but TLC is not letting this all go.

I think Kate Gosselin has lost her mind! She has a full time babysitter (WHY- She's home most of the time) a housekeeper comes in once a week and a gardener! I read once that she and Jon fought over this house. Jon did not want it. He thought it was too much! I wonder how long it's going to be before the bank posts a foreclosure notice on their front door. Maybe Kate should reconsider that PLayboy offer!

I'm wondering if TLC is feeling any backlash for all of this. Are the sponsors getting uncomfortable? What about the sponsors they had lined up for the future shows? They must have lost millions when Jon pulled the plug.

Also, regarding the permits, will Jon's lawsuit affect TLC's other reality shows that have children in them?

for one i like TLC --i haved learned alot from these parents and laughed and cried with them all --i just think some folks are jealous ----first of jon is lazy ---he wanted to get paid for doing nothing -And Kate will survive no matter what---take it from a mother that had 8 kids one at a TIME and now raising 2 grandbabbies --we dont want real reality or they would call me and i know that would be one hell of a show!!!--Margaret in Oklahoma

Hi Z,

I was over a GWOP and they have a recap and this part really disturbed me.

After the break, any sane members of the viewing audience were no doubt creeped out at the sight of little girls being filmed as they stripped down to their unnerwears to change into their Leah-tards.

Yes, I was creeped out. I thought it was bad enough when they were 2...but 5 years old and Kate the Great Mother of all time allows that. I wonder if that would be considered appropriate if Jon had been the parent allowing that or if everybody would be out for his blood.

This is dedicated to all the Blogger fans who stuck by this mess in one way, shape or form........

The moment Kate has been waiting for....

It has been a day at the Gosselin Konpound. All the hired help has left since the season 5 finale. The gardener 1st, then the nightime nanny, then the organic chef and now...the 5am Nanny Judy has been let go amidst the sobbing of Kate G. The Bodyguard is threatening to move on to Nadya Suleman, if 1600 dollars a day beckons.

Kate sits in her castle & realizes the gravity of what has happened since the finale 6 hours ago. The cookbook was a flop(Kate is going to donate the back covers to Al Gore), Larry King and The View have decided to move on to talking about the sex of the 20th Duggar child.

Jon has hit rock bottom. Tlc won an early injuction stopping him dead in his tracks. The settled out of court and in the confidential settlement he gave an interview to Radaronline. Jon stated Tlc got all rights to the Star Magazine Reporter, K2O, Hailey Glassman, and Santoro. (see the show will go on) JOn further states TLC will receive all video of the Insider and will edit and crop him to look like the villain in a Christmas special which the Gosselins will receive no proceeds from. Yes, Jon states TLC still hates him. Jon tells us he has one more quarter.

Finally, after all this Kate gets her wish that was sold from tabloid and beyond.....

bring, bbbrrinnnggg, the cell phone call.

Jon: Hi Kate this is me the old Jon. Gosh, I do not know what happened. I think Aliens abducted me? Kate can just you and me talk?
Kate: Yes, Oh Lordie BEE...KIDS it is the old daddy. Sit down right her and let me put the speaker phone on. Can you please tell me why the kids were dressed unmatching when I cam home? you know they cannot go out like that. I lay all the clothes out ahead of time. I just cant function when you cant follow the rules. Now you will have to go out and find another woman to embarrass yourself with and all these kids, except Hanna of course, will have to go to bed without any supper.

Jon: Kate, Kate sure you know I will do anything to win your love back. This really is the old Jon. Sure I will find some woma to get us some more money rolling in... I know...kids do what mommy says...You know she does everything for the sake of you kids. There are some triangle things under Aaden's bed if u get hungry. Run along to bedd.....Kate before you blow up I used a coupon...
KATE: See Jon that is just it we became different people with different needs. I love the Paparazzi. I love having a bodyguard to take me to expensive restaurants. I love high heel shoes. And, I know I will be the 1st to admit that I tell the kids to say P-people but can you believe???Joel knows how to spell P*a*p*a*R*A*Z*Z*I. oh, our family might just get back...go to bed kiddies (mommy do not cry we will let the paparazzi film us~~said by an Older Gosselin)

JON: By the way...just a quickie...I picked the lock to your room. Mady and Cara came home with some nice artwork from the National Enquirer & I put it on your bed.
KATE: What is the rule Jon? I guess the bodyguard will have to put 3 deadbolt...noone in my room....Look I had to make it worth the bodyguards time so I gave him your garage apartment. If you are really serious about coming home you will have to sleep in the old dog cages. I cannot bear to part with them anyway.

JON: Hey, I got good news. I decided to go work for American Chopper. I just love working with my hands. vrrooom vroooomm. I decided to call Eileen Oneill and work it all out. Funny, though she was out to lunch with a Michelle Duggar? Whose that anyways?
KATE: Well, great, then I do not know why you bothered to call. You know good and well fame is 1st in this house. You really expect me Jonathon Gosselin to live off a working persons salary..Common Jon a spa visit is $400. Men are idiots arent they?? hahahahaahahahahaha And, one more thing, Eileen Oneill, I told you about talking to her. Do you want to ruin the tell all book deal she is trying to get us? Please jon...

KATE: Let me talk 1st~~for the 1st time since you stood up to me in May. Jon jon since all the money is now gone...Really...it is gone and I have 2 purses now with bills I cannot pay. I am not going to be able to afford an organic Turkey. Now we are going to be forced to go to a local Reading store and buy a regular turkey..ahahahyucckc...so tell me for the sake of our kids..How am I supposed to feed them?

JON: Honey, you know I will always love you, you saved me that day from the other girl I was dating...I got that one all figured out...The Glassman's have invited us to Thanksgiving so in a few short days we will be on every magazine cover in America...so can we delay the divorce a little while longer?

Happy Early Thanksgiving to all the BBF's, commentators, and bloggers on the Z on TV blog. This year we can all be thankful for one thing especially. WE DO NOT HAVE TO WALK A STEP IN THE HIGH HEELS OF A GOSSELIN.

Thanks to everyone. A special thanks to Z for helping us keep all this in perspective. Sherry, thank you for helping on this & all the great contributions to this site. ( z you havent surfaced in last 24 hours we hope you are ok ~ and that head did not explode. If it did we know an awesome neurosurgeon.)

Z--I am just wondering, and maybe you can answer this, how can TLC broadcast footage of 5.5 year old girls stripping to their underware? Wouldn't that be considered indecent and be against FCC regulations? Just wondering who is in charge of deciding what is appropriate for tv (and now all of history on DVD's and YouTube).

Kate said in an interview that all the kid wanted they’re old daddy back. It’s surprising for 5 years old to say something like that unless they hear Kate say it. Same for her ring, I’m sure she’s the one that needed it.
What scares me is that if she doesn’t have a show are something to go on to, she will go down and the kids are going to have a hard time with her. When she doesn’t have what she wants, she complains all the time.
Jon made a lot of mistakes but he is a good carrying father. What he does when he is not at home is none of are business. I think he passes all the time he could get with his children, I don’t think it's fare that Kate lives in that house, they should split equal time there. It seems that Jon could be there only when Kate has obligation for her ‘’job’’
It’s always Kate first. It should be the children first and the parent after.
TLC is wrong letting Kate talk bad about Jon, it's not good publicity for the channel.
I sais in an earlier post that I,m franch so sorry for all the mistakes I've made in ortoograph.

From the very beginning, I could not tolerate watching that shrew emasculate her husband and exploit her kids' most private moments. I cannot understand the mantality of people who claim they love the Gosselin children (whom they've never even met!) but they'll sit back every Monday night and watch those kids being pimped out by their mother, not to mention the sweatshop working conditions those children were put through. They had to perform like little circus animals to please Mommy Dearest and bring in the cash. How many perverts do you "Gosselin lovers" think have pictures of those little children to pleasure themselves with? There are complete websites dedicated to each specific child! That family is a pedophile's paradise!

One day my family was at my husband's work picnic and they had one of those photo booths you can go into and pose for a strip of pictures. My four kids spent a great deal of time in there having fun, having their pictures taken. To my horror!!!! the operators put all the pictures from that picnic online, and there were my beautiful children, ready for any pervert to download and do God-knows-what with. I exploded!! I demanded they be taken down immediately and they were. Normal parents do not want pictures of their kids available to any pervert or pedophile that wants them. What's the price for the Gosselins? $20.00 please, cash only!!

That mother is the single most abusive mother I've ever had the displeasure to see. Even when she hugs the kids for the cameras, she's rough as hell...not a tender bone in her plastic body.

All I have left to say is, "Go to hell, Kate Gosselin. You are a beast and a pimp and I pity your children. There is a reason some people are infertile. You should have taken the hint."

TammyT @9;38 am you call taking the high road is a mom who brags about Kate:plus 8 minus Jon in front of young, impressionable children a high road?

That episode did not show me anything of the kind of Father Jon is. That was edited cruelty @ its finest. The Lying channel should not be able to get within 10 feet of children under 18 if you ask me.

Please tell me what road you drive so that I can detour my bbf's here at Z on TV.

nancybee - Kate has a full time babysitter because she's so freaking mentally unstable she can't look after eight goldfish by herself, leave alone eight children. Jon probably did most of the parenting of the twins when before they even thought about having more. It seems like from everything we've read about her that she's always sluffed off her mothering on someone else.

We've seen her push her kids away from her whenever they've come to her crying or asking a question or needing something. She just covers her ears and makes faces. She has meltdowns when they're all crowded together in a store or a room. It would be great if there was a montage of all the clips where we've seen her do those things.

And Kate-groupies say we're 'jealous'. Good grief.

Margaret from OK

I too learned soo much from this show.

When you have alienated/eliminated all of you and your husbands families. It must be them, NOT YOU.

When you refuse to accept the gift of cribs because donated cribs should match. It must be them, NOT YOU.

When the Medicaid will ONLY pay for a private baby nurse for your healthy children for only one year. It must be them, NOT YOU.

When you let a friend write a book for you and you take all the credit. It must be them, NOT YOU.

I could go on and on.

It must be them, not me.

My children are physically & emotionally healthy, well adjusted, well behaved, generous and smart. I am not jealous.
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Hi Diane,

Good point about the leotards. I think that is part of the problem too. Kate it trying to keep this going at the expense of the kids, trying to keep them little. I am sure it would be embarassing to be five and in kindergarten and have Kate still showing them like that on television. Kids need privacy and that can't be good for the kids. Someone pointed out they still sit in those highchairs, I think they might still be using the bibs?? Of course some of it is older footage. Gosh I hope so anyway.

I read that TLC acknowledged that the 23rd of November will be the final show of Jon and Kate plus eight. In addition, they have dropped plans to come out with another show titled Kate plus 8. They are currently working on another project featuring Kate Gosselin but it won't involve the children.

Re: Gosselin girls changing clothing on camera (and of course the ever classy "Toddlers and Tiaras" pedophile funfest)

TLC = To Leer at Children channel

Tammt, you think it was noble of TLC to make Jon look bad for his kids to see. What a shame.

I read on another blog that Kate IS going forward with a cookbook to be released in May 2010. Does anyone know if this is true? Please, please, someone tell me this is just a rumor.

Ya'll I do not know where Z is but we need to tone it down a notch. Heather @ 2:48pm we love to poke fun at TLC, BUT that is not called for, even about TLC.

I do not know what is going around. I have been tied up making fun of the gosselins all day but we need to steer off this road about the kids and gymnastics...this is why children under 18 should not be in reality shows.

Way to take one for the team nnabb..funny...

did i stumble on the GWOP site, lotta hate for kate goin' on here?!

There's an obvious inverse proportion in play at this juncture: the more of only CanDoK8 they shove down our throats, the fewers throats tune in.

How do the suits at TLC keep their jobs with this kind of programming and poor decision making?

It seems the pot calling the kettle black whenever TLC publically notes Jon's 'poor decision making'. Afterall, both Jon and TLC chose Kate Gosselin - at least Jon has cut his losses and moved on. What's WRONG with TLC that they continue to back this losing horse? (No offense to the equine world.)

Blech.

Irene,

If TLC doesn't want to attract people who like little girls, why run the show "Toddlers and Tiaras?" Why show footage of the Gosselin girls changing?

I hardly believe that a video editor would actively choose such footage (of the girls changing) or think that it's appropriate unless someone pointed out, "Hey! Let's use that." And who has the final say? TLC, not the video company they hired to produce the show.

Laurie Goldberg has released a statement to the Associated Press, "Kate plus 8 is not in production" "We are focusing on the launch of Kate's new series in the spring" NO DETAILS.

So, April showers will bring May employment for the woman not afraid to work at Mcdonalds.

Please no details as to what they are doing. Bombshell, this is going to flop!!!And, there is no need to waste money on production and advertising on that one.

Emma - I guess Kate is talking about her "cookbook" that was supposed to be published last summer. After it was postponed, Kate insisted it would be published in the Fall, so if the May 2010 rumor is from her I wouldn't trust it. So delusional... P.S. Can't believe the Kate fans are still hanging their hats on the "jealous" theory! Actually, I can't believe there are still Kate fans out there!

Sherry and Irene, thanks for the great parody on J&K. It was delightful. What will we do without them? But that day is probably far in the future with the lawsuits and divorce looming for the tabloids to write about.

Regarding filming the children while they were changing clothes, as I've stated before, I am sickened by all the footage of the Gosselin children that's out there for the perverts to use in whatever way they want. I'm glad to see people are speaking out against it. How TLC gets away with this boggles the mind. Is there NO ONE connected to TLC that said NO filming of the children changing clothes??? Rhetorical question. The obvious answer is no. Who runs that organization?

Perhaps when the Kate show is gone, we can focus our attention on TLC! Someone needs to. It's needs to be forever gone.

Mep, you can go stumble on to Radar On Line... they have a lot of love for Kate goin' on over there. You'll be comfortable there.

No, mep we are sharing the love.

Hi ALY,

Always good to hear from you. Irene and I enjoy doing these little projects. Something to pass the time. We have bonded over all of this. I asked Irene how we will amuse ourselves after the show is over.

Seriously though I think a lot of people were shocked to see the footage of the little girls at gymnastics. TLC should be more careful. Does Kate read these blogs, she should really take some pointers on some of this and realize that TLC is not going to look out for the kids, she needs to step-up and take control.

ALY are you on facebook, you can join me, Irene, xsandlapper, and Avis if you want to.

Has anyone heard from Holly???

Heather the only thing I am gonna say is that comments was out of line, uncalled for, inappropriate, and when Z sees it I am sure he will have the scrupples to take it down.

There are other things about the Gosselins we can deconstruct...

Hi Irene, You know how much I respect your opinion and all that you bring this blog. You are one of the people who really make it special. So, in that spirit, I ask youy to reconsider your position on Heather's comment. TLC puts this stuff out there. I think the show with kids in bgeauty pageants is grotesque and utterly exploitative. I thiink TLC should be very careful how they photograph children -- it is TLC's responsibility to be cautious. But they are not, and all Heather is doing is pointing theta out. In a key way, that is the purpose of TV criticism. I would be a hypocrite if I took down Heather's remark. She didn't put the questionable images on the screen -- TLC did. And she is calling them on it, and that is the way to deconstruct and defuse the images of the pwoer they have over some. The only waay they are going to stop photograhing children carelessly is if people call them on it. I hope you will at least entertain the possibility that Heather is doing something not espoecially plesanat, but ultimately it might be for the good. Thanks. Z

Just a few thoughts.

Kare is very inconsistent and making very very poor and inappropriate decision regarding the filming of her kids while chaning, going poitty etc. Im the mom of two small kids 4 and 6 who are involved in every sport there is out there. My husband and I tend to change the kids into their uniforms (hockey, gymnastics etc) before they leave home then they dont have to change almost naket in the lockerroom.

There are alot of perverts outthere who could easily get their hands on some of the more inappropriate clips and have a field day with it.

TLC and kate used very very poor judgement allowing this to be aired. Im amazecd that it was allowed.

I dont know that even if TLC wins in court that they would continue with a program - kate plus 8 - The ratings are so low and have such poor publicity there is no guarantee that there is an audience for it.

Did anyone see the clip for the final show on nov 23 - Everyone else is waving goodbye and kate - well of course she is more concerned about her appearance - she is in the middle of straightening her top.

Well, I have to say, I can't wait for the end of this show. I hope TLC does not get permission to film these poor kids again. They've been through enough. I hope these two parents can get it together after their divorce is final. But I think Jon is in for a long, hard road financially. I see a bankruptcy in his future.

I hope that those of you who are upset about the filming of the children in their panties will follow up and make your voices heard. TLC needs to be held accountable. There really should be laws against this. Children should not be shown in their underwear on television or for that matter going to the bathroom on television. That may be something Gloria Alred could address. And for the record, I think the Toddlers and Tiaras show is grotesque and the parents who allow their children to participate in that show are plain nut jobs. I have to wonder who even watches that show.

So maybe Jon and Kate can stop saying that everything they do is for the kids and maybe for once, actually spend time with their kids. That's all the kids need. They don't need a mansion, a pool, a cook, a nanny. They just need the love of their parents.

Well, z, I cannot argue principle with you on that one. You are wiser than I am.

Heather, I apologize, Z is right. This show is bringing out the worst & should be called on it. Eileen Oneill should lose her job over it. And, all we hear about is Jon Gosselin is the problem.

I just am touchy where those 8 kids are concerned.

Again, I am sorry.

Hi Irene, I definitely am NOT wiser, especially when it comes to children. I would totally defer to you. But I read Hearther's comment carefully, and I really believe she wrote it totally in the spirit of constructive criticism. But I happy that you are okay with it, because the core crew of bloggers here is so terrific, and it really troubles me when we don't get along. Lord, knows there are enough people sent our way to cause mischief from the realm of TLC. So, thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt on this one. I have been tied up on stories all day for the paper, and just got back to the blog. Z

mep -- Z's column centers around TV and the personalities and business of the TV industry. Check out Z's previous work, and the comments by regular bloggers.. and you will see that that Jon, Kate and TLC are called out pretty equally. Kate is the focus of these final few episodes, so comments about Kate are relevant and on topic at this point.

And I am sure comments that are pro-Kate would be entirely welcome.. just leave out the "You are all jealous" and "it is all in the editing" and try to contribute to TV Industry vision of this blog. There are good things to be said, but I am so tired of assuming the best.. only to find out it was all a manipulation or hoax.. that I wait until I see some serious evidence. (Data, primary sources etc.) With all sincerity, share that good stuff... If you just hit and run, you reinforce the impression that Kate's fans aren't capable of intelligent dialog. And I am fairly confident that was not your intent.

My only suggestion is to check out Z's previous columns first, and to keep in mind the context.

Z - Can you help us understand the ratings thing?

Little People, Big World has lower ratings than J&K Plus 8.

It J&K+8 ratings are a problem, does that mean that LPBW is doing "poorly"?

And what about the production costs? As you said, the production costs are lower... so are the production costs the key here? And what kinds of numbers are we talking about? And how do the production costs compare between TLC's various family based reality shows: Table for 12, 18 Kids and Counting, Little Coupler, Little People Big World, and J&K Plus 8.

Working of the numbers is one reliable way to sort out a lot of this mess. Please explain, I would really like to understand the numbers game better.

Karen and Marie,

I agree, there is a certain amount of modesty that children deserve and to have this on film is really not acceptable. I agree my kids did soccer and softball when they were little and we always had them ready at home. The mother's on shows like Toddlers and Tiaras don't have any more sense than TLC or Kate. I hope TLC will take a lesson from all of this, at least I hope the other shows like the Hayes family will never allow this kind of exposure of their children. It makes me want to email TLC about this. I think I will.

Z, a few (very few) of your bloggers just don't understand that we do care about the children and we are not "Kate haters." We just see so clearly what she is about and how inappropriate she, and sometimes Jon have been with their priorities!
Showbiz is not an easy life. Don't successful showbiz people need talent, good verbal skills, and great personalities? Jon & Kate have made their fame on their children, not on their own abilities. This is what we, your bloggers, see in all of this. Do you believe Kate will make it in this business without her kids? Thanks for your hard work!

Hi Z,

Oh Irene, I am so happy to see that you are ok again. I was feeling bad about that ( you and Heather ) because, I think, I was the one who brought up the kids changing. Because, when I read that...I was stunned that TLC or Kate would allow it. I'm sure that they could have just had Kate talk for another 30-60 seconds and not included that scene.

I don't think Kate protects her children as much as she protects herself. I think Kate is a fraud in many, many ways.

And, Karen, I have 3 grown sons. And, like your kids played every sport imaginable and they were always dressed for each practice ahead of time, too. They didn't change by themselves in a locker room.

Sometimes, I think Kate just lets dollar signs cloud her judgement.

Irene and Heather, I am sorry, too...if I started this.

I live in Canada and we can report any offensive material to the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television Telecommunications Commission) which I will try and do but is there something similar in the US that consumers can report offensive content to a watchdog of some sort? It seems ridiculous that some photo development centres won't develop pictures of naked kids but they will show this on national TV. Something just seems wrong.

Gosselin Kids all the way,

We do have the FCC here in the U.S., but I don't know what the rules are for "reality" shows it seems like this is a new territory. TLC is the learning channel, I guess we are all learning.

Diane,

You didn't do anything wrong in bringing attention to the subject. I am glad, it just shows us another reason that TLC is and these parent's are letting greed get in the way of good judgement. I agree with you. :)

No, Diane please do not feel that way. I have been like a cat on a hot tin roof for a couple weeks now. I cannot believe things have gotten this far. And, the last thing I would ever let TLC get away with is dividing the hard hitters of this blog. We have to stick together because my would they just love to get us all in a tizzy. Heck, I am starting to believe they have retreated from here and are concentrating on the Radaronline group.

Suzi J I do think the cookbook is going to get published. TLC has a webisode on the site about it. It has got Kate written all over it. I wonder though if Zondervan is still publishing it or if she is taking her kids substantial college funds to get it off to the press.

We will see. Time is on our side on this one. These are the biggest ninnykompoops in the history of T.V. & they are just not going to go out gracefully like Oprah Winfrey is.

This was an interesting article written by a law student about regulations and reality TV shows.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1452986

Z, in your professional opinion, do you believe TLC is seriously considering sticking with Kate Gosselin by providing that new venue in the spring they keep mentioning?

Her kids' clothing line was pulled.

Ditto her 'Love is in the Mix' tome.

I don't read about Paula Deen begging Kate to join her afterall on that proposed cooking show.

Could TLC possibly think there's an adequate market for the likes of Kate Gosselin?

To kids all the way:

I also live in canada. I have written to the CRTC and voiced my disgust with TLC and the filming of the children. I have also cancelled my subscription to the TLC channel which we will no longer get at the end of the month.

I dont know how much if any good it will do, but as a mom of a 4 and 6 year old I was moved to do something.

Oh and a general comment. I lost my train of thought on my last comment I left. My daughter was getting ready for hockey and distracted me.

What I was trying to say is that kate is very very inconsistent and seems unable to make appropriate decisions for her children. She made a comment a few progams ago that the kids rooms were now "off limits" to filming, yet she has allowed them to be filmed in other totally inappropriate situations.

I really and truly question her ability as a parent.

Nite now.....

See, I get to eat the last line of my post tooo. Oprah teaming with Discovery...what in the world is this country coming to.

Blog Security...we got the future work cut out for us.

Speaking FCC standards, are there any standards/laws re: level of truth in 'reality' programming, especially the programs, like J&K+8, that claim to be a 'documentary' format?

Also, the link I posted on reality TV shows was not written by a law student, she is a practicing lawyer/professor. Oops, sorry about that Professor Royal. It was a very interesting article about reality TV shows and exploitation of children on reality shows. I am not sure how I worked the word student into that?

Z, Irene,

Thanks for the intelligent discussion.

Irene, I have actually had that interpretation of "TLC" (I won't write it again) for quite awhile now, but decided not to post it because it is inflammatory. However, when I read recaps that TLC yet AGAIN showed footage of little girls undressed, I felt I needed to put it out there, as we know they read this blog. And this is now my interpretation of their programming in both a criminal sense of the word, as well as children-as-trainwrecks-for-viewing sense.

TLC disgusts me BEYOND belief. I am a new mom myself (my little munchkin just turned 1 last week) and my husband and I watched the show during my pregnancy, thinking the kids were cute, etc., until we got clued in to what was really happening. Now having the "mom" perspective (and the mama bear instinct), I cannot imagine, ever, EVER putting my son in any situations like the Gosselin kids have been put in. Filmed while CHANGING?!?!? AGAIN? WHY? And it's not even that they aired it--well of course it is BUT what disturbs me more, and this is a BIG BUT:

WHY WERE THE CAMERAMEN THERE, WATCHING THE GIRLS IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!

They shouldn't have been anywhere near the girls while they were changing clothes.

Absolute disgust, anger, and still, even now, disbelief. I continually ask myself: How low will TLC go? And apparently the bar is set about a mile and a half underground and sinking.

z if this is a double post please delete not sure if it went through

One comment:

If any random man filmed a group of little girls changing, posted it on the internet and made money off it, he would be charged with child pornography.

So why is TLC allowed to break the law?

Karen said:

"Z, a few (very few) of your bloggers just don't understand that we do care about the children and we are not "Kate haters"

With all due respect Karen, have you seen my blog name ? LOL

Yep.. Toddlers & Tiaras has been on my hit list for some time. What in blazes is wrong with thoes mothers, that ridiculous channel, and all associated with those idiotic pageant rip offs?

A friend of mine ran a pageant business for years and made a killing because it takes little to no investment. The parents basically pay for the entire thing with the attached fees.

We are going to need to use this as a subject at some point so I can blow the lid off of the scheme.

When you guys suggest complaining about the treatment of children on TLC, to whom do you complain and in what way. I have sent multiple messages to TLC complaining about different things they have done in relation to the show. I always get a standard letter that reads exactly the same. Nothing changes. So who do we contact in order to get through to someone who will listen and possibly do something about stopping Eileen O'Neill and her destruction machine? It's bad enough that Kate allows her children to be filmed in every type of situation, but it is horrible that TLC does it on every show they have. Do you remember when the Table for 12 show first aired, I think it was the first show. They had one of the kids at the restaurant needing to go to the bathroom to have diarrhea. That alone was bad enough -- why did we need to know that, what was 'learning' about that. But the cameras followed them into the bathroom and showed us the child on the potty and the poop on his bottom. This is unconscionable. And I blame the parents for that mostly. Any sane parent would NOT allow their child to be seen in that light. But TLC is repeatedly guilty on all shows the have children that these type things are shown. They wouldn't show adults doing this, and adults wouldn't allow themselves to be seen doing this so WHY is is o.k. to do it to children. It is a form of child abuse, IMO.

Does anyone remember the episodes with regards to the Gosselins North Carolina beach trip? The kids were at the pool and Colin, I believe, leaned over. His bathing suit came down and Kate giggled and said something to the effect about his "plumber's cracK". The camera zoomed in on the child's bottom.

Now, we have parents being arrested and their children removed by CPS because the parents took picutres of their children, babies mind you, playing in their own home bathtub. But, TLC can get away with filming the Gosselin kids's in various states of undress?

I'm confused.

Alot of people want the show to go away so the kids will have a normal life. I don't think that is ever going to happen. I think Kate had those kids to make her rich. She has proven that theory over and over with her actions. They make up a story and stick to it even tho we can see right thru it. Just think back to her opening line for the show. We only wanted 1 more and we got more than we bargained for we got 6. That whole story reeks if you ask me. Kate wanted to be rich and famous and knew the only way was to have a litter. She will have no use for those kids when they are no longer making her money. Mark my words on that one. I saw right thru her the very 1st time I saw the show. So I am afraid that getting them off tv isn't going to give them loving parents. I feel Kate tricked Jon into having sex when she was told not to even tho they couldn't afford the 2 they had. She saw dollar signs from day 1. How she has gotten away with it for so long is a mystery. She lied from day 1 and took her *story* on the church circuit yet nobody questioned the holes in her story at all. How could so many people be bought off? How is TLC getting away with exploitation? Why are people keeping quiet about what really goes on behind the scenes? Who did Kate go to bed with to keep things so quiet? There are so many questions that need honest answers I could write a book. Is the divorce judge in TLC's pocket too? I guess it is true that anybody can be bought for the right price. Why isn't TLC worried about the truth coming out in court? I wish somebody that knows some of the answers would step forward. Those kids deserve better. Is she going to ship them off to school when they are no longer of any use to her? UGH

Thank you Z, for addressing her comment. I appreciate it.
You're 100% correct and I hope it's a direction we can take with TLC after J&K is over and the network continues with their other child exploitative shows. Z:"I think TLC should be very careful how they photograph children -- it is TLC's responsibility to be cautious. But they are not, and all Heather is doing is pointing theta out. In a key way, that is the purpose of TV criticism. I would be a hypocrite if I took down Heather's remark. She didn't put the questionable images on the screen -- TLC did. And she is calling them on it, and that is the way to deconstruct and defuse the images of the pwoer they have over some. The only waay they are going to stop photograhing children carelessly is if people call them on it. I hope you will at least entertain the possibility that Heather is doing something not espoecially plesanat, but ultimately it might be for the good."

Heather,

Congraulations on being a new mom. There really is nothing more rewarding in life. I am glad that you posted your concerns. I am writing a complaint to TLC this very day. I made up my mind after all of the discussion here and some articles that I have found regarding "reality" shows and child exploitation. If you have a chance to read the link above that I posted. There definitely needs to be some legislation, also in the areas of kids and pagents, that is disgusting and these parent's are exploiting their underage children as well in my opinion.

Heather why don't you join the live chat on Monday that Z is planning for the J&K show. I would love to see you there.

I am an MSW who spent over 11 years as a school social worker, I have encounteerd so many instances of child sexual abuse that I still have nightmares about the 70 plus CPS reports I had to make. I can only wonder about what the horrendous nightmares these children are left with.
Having said this, the single most troubling issue I have with the Gosselins is the exloittion of the children. The fact that so many of their private moments have been made public,especially when they are undressed or in bathing suits, is just bait for pedophiles who will watch just to see these moments.

In my opinion, these children are not safe. One can only remember what happened to Jon Bennet Ramsey to know that children can be hunted down. Kate seems to think only of her own saftey, having that bodyguard at her elbow to save her from rabid fans. Will anyone ever protect these children?

Last night, I was flipping through channels. I saw about end on CNBC & their show the "Oprah Effect" This entrepreneur tried for a long time to get his product on Oprah. When he got through the door finally, his product shot through the roof in sales.

Well, then a Rachel Ray biography came on. I never have seen her side of the rise to her fame. What really struck me is what she said about her shows & fame. She said, "I didn't have the pressure of wanting to get a job on TV."

It reminded me of Kate G. Sure the Gosselins probably do corner the market on Google Searches and done the right way I just think their possibilities were endless. I truly think the way TLC has handled Season 5 though (ya'll they actually are pushing the sale of Season 5. Lordie Bee!)so terribly it actually will hurt Kate G bottom line in the end. Maybe I am totally wrong, but Kate doesn't have the appeal entertainers like Oprah, Paula D, Rachel, etc have. At the end of the day, all that is marketable is a wicked witch of the west in high heels. Now, seeing the trend of how people break through, I think TLC will not stop until it has tried everything like in the Wizard of OZ. But, at the end of the day, I truly think we will be singing, "Ding dong the witch is done" because Kate has the pressure of wanting to be on TV so bad....it makes her appeal fake, disingenuous, and not relatable. Tlc we can always just watch a re run if we feel we have missed Kate...and she loses that lovin' feelin' the minute Kate opens her jaws.

Did anyone see the clip for the final show on nov 23 - Everyone else is waving goodbye and kate - well of course she is more concerned about her appearance - she is in the middle of straightening her top.

Posted by: Karen | November 19, 2009 6:11 PM

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I thought she was just admiring her new tlc assets.

Hotdog,

I am sure that TLC would say that it is all truthful, but I do think we at this blog with Z's help have proven that not to be the case.

Oh, I found a really good article for whomever asked about the FCC regulations and "reality shows". I will try to link it in a little bit.

I have a couple of things I have to do. :)

Thanks for noticing my comments, HATEKATE!
I just try not to use the word "hate." I do not wish the Gosselins any ill will. Just wish they would fade into a normal life and quit being so delusional as to their own worth/talent. I believe they have gained their fame and money by using their 8 kids. That's so WRONG on so many levels. How many trips, freebies, expensive homes and cars does one family need?

What is the matter with people at TLC that they would even consider giving "Mean Kate" her own show? Z, is this a joke on the viewers? It just isn't fun watching someone put down others in real life or reality television.

I would hate the idea that Kate would actually pose for Playboy. I would rather see her image on the side of a milk carton.

On the touchy topic of filming the kids while changing....

I believe it was last month on another Z blog, I posted my concerns about pedophiles viewing these kids and even being close to them in public. My post was about Kate's supposed need for a bodyguard, while her kids were alone with perhaps only a nanny at bus stops and even at home, while parents are away.

I still have those concerns and I don't think any of us here want to even THINK about this aspect of this "reality" phenomenon.

But, truth is truth and there are probably millions of sicko men (and women) who are drooling over photos and videos of these beautiful children. And, lets not forget, the internet is worldwide, so how does Ms Kate feel about some guy in China getting all excited over a pic of her girls & boys?

These children are so used to cameras documenting their every move and are too young to even think of "bad" things like that.

So, how does this wonderful mother then explain to her kids about the "bad people" out there, like we all do with our kids? Seems to me that the only "bad people" she has scared these kids with is the "P People". Hey, Kate, what about the millions of unseen bad people?

Have you given your kids the tools to differentiate between the "good" strangers and the "bad" strangers? I doubt it, since any camera is a chance to make a buck for you.

How about now that your show is cooked, you stop displaying your kids in the front of your house for all cameras to film? How do you know all those cameras are professional people? And, even if they are, how do you know one or two of them aren't also a sicko?

How about you start having your children play out of camera range? If you want to sit in your plastic chair in front of the garage for cameras... by all means, do it. Sooner of later, you will find that it isn't YOU that anyone wants to see anyway.

Even though its a distasteful topic and I'm glad Z allowed the thread to continue. TLC and other channels have to take responsiblity for this type of filming.

We already know that Kate G can't get out of her own way to protect her kids. I hope she feels sooo safe with Mr Bodyguard holding hotel doors for her as her kids are tossed into the fray.

Heather, one thing me and you definately agree on is the hypocrisy by Tlc & Kate. Kate and Tlc say they take the utmost care and sensitivity when handling these kids. Kate would never do anything unhealthy for her kids. I think she has even went as far as saying she would halt anything unhealthy. Ok Kate...guess you lied again for the sake of your kids.

Honestly, the Gospel according to Tlc and Kate has been a disaster. Especially Season 5. They underestimated Jon & the fans of this show. We are mostly moms & dads and we can smell skunks a mile away.

Have a great Day Heather. Make sure to join us Monday because we need all the help we can get. We need to make it as hard as possible on Tlc and Kate. Let's try to get Z as many emails as possible from TLC management. Sorry Z.

Season 5, for the sake of the kids, for the sake of the dogs, for the sake of the fans....all for the sake of Jon, Kate and Tlcs wallet!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34048054/ns/entertainment-gossip

Courtney states in this article some here collectively feel. "The future remains to be seen., but one thing is certain: If Jon & Kate are no longer together, their power to interest the public is greatly diminished. They'll be forced to create media images as individuals and not as a collective tour de for of bad behavior, and they're going to be judged in a much harsher light."

There are alot of similar articles when you google all over the internet. I wonder how Tlc is planning to spin reviews/opinions like that?

I'm really going to miss this show. I have just figured out why - people lover to hate Kate! I'm watching her berate Steve Thomas right now.
Its so easy to just really hate her and I think this is why the show did so well in its early seasons. The tension between Kate and the others is what was so compelling.

Is that a true formula for great TV Z?

Hi Z, Everybody,

I do have a vendetta with TLC ( Discovery). It started with the Gosselins and progressed. 1st, I quit watching J&K prime time and just watched it later. I still watched the reruns. Then, I stopped watching them all together. I quit using Tide and wrote and told them why and they wrote saying Sorry to lose you.

I quit watching TLC and then their sister channels. I wrote to them....they didn't even bother to answer. So, I have a vendetta with them. I would really like to see them destroyed.

I tried to get the people at GWOP to ban together because there are so many of them. I actually got a few posts like that thru....which surprised me because it against their rules. But, really, I think there are so many of them that want to continue watching it just so they can complain. I'm just not sure that they actually want to do anything about it.

Sherry T, I read the article from your link. That is what we need...laws for the entire country, not just states.

Free Gosselin 8, have you got any better ideas to stop this? You have been here since the begining. What all have you tried? I'm much newer than you.

I think that writing to the regulatory bodies (FCC) about the portrayal of children in reality shows and asking for greater protections for them is the way to go. TLC is making money off the exploitation of children so they'll never back down, unless forced.

I would write to elected representatives, have petitions on line, get informed about the Gloria Allred initiative and support her, write to the sponsors of TLC shows and emphasize the family values and protection of children aspect of your concern rather than attack a specific show or personality.

That's what I would do...

Hey Barbara I have 2 of those TLC notes and 3 emails. Maybe we can pool all the letters together and send Kate a scrapbook to keep with all her Memories!

A Wiki Editor,

You asked this of Z and I haven't seen a response yet, so I thought I'd throw in this thought.

You asked: And what about the production costs? As you said, the production costs are lower... so are the production costs the key here? And what kinds of numbers are we talking about? And how do the production costs compare between TLC's various family based reality shows: Table for 12, 18 Kids and Counting, Little Coupler, Little People Big World, and J&K Plus 8.

Just comparing J&K and Table for 12 I see tremendous cost differences in producing the shows. Until this last season J&K was mostly filmed when they were traveling for a vacation or trip -- quite costly for a production crew expecially compared to filming a family at home or around town doing everyday activities like the Hayes family.

You have to take into account full crew travel expenses, lodging, meals, entrance fees, etc. Producing J&K also incurs the costs of a bodyguard to accompany them everywhere, as well as expenses for the rumored always new matching clothing, stylists, catering, etc.

I know Z can explain the production details and associated costs, etc, but just looking at what we see of these 2 families I can understand how J&K rank at the top for most expensive productions.

That said, though, Little People, Big World has also taken some expensive/extensive vacations, too, but not as extravagent nor as frequent as J&K. I sincerely hope the other TLC families don't allow themselves to fall into the same rut/trap as J&K as far as family vacations are concerned.

Barbara,

You asked who to complain to about the treatment of children you see on TLC other than to TLC itself. I agree with you that TLC themselves send out 'form replies' which make you wonder if they read the comments and/or even care.

I write to the sponsors/advertisers of the show. I've also written to Zondervan about publishing Kate's books (I don't know if letters helped, but they did cancel her last book), organizers of various appearances she was scheduled to make, and to just about every advertiser on each show.

The show is about making money for TLC and they do that by selling ads. So, if we can get the advertisers to understand that we won't buy their products we might convince them to stop advertising, which could hurt TLC right where it hurts -- their pocketbook.

I have received some encouraging replies from companies I've written to -- and I've also received replies from companies who just didn't care, but all in all I felt that I was doing something pro-active about my dissatisfaction with TLC and the Gosselins. I don't know if my letters did any good, but I know I felt better after I sent them.

I put my dvr on slow and carefully watched the commercial for next week's show. They feature 12 clips in this commercial and not one includes the twins! Not only is it intentional, I think that's rotten.

TLC has no ethics regarding children or anything else. I saw they filed to get a specially assigned judge to hear the case against Jon Thats called Judge shopping and is pretty unethical but then what else would you expect from a company that exploits little kids.

bb ~ The kids have been getting free Gymboree clothing (Kate picked it out in their stores) and it was rumored Kate was getting hers from some big brand. Does anyone know if they still do? She sure gets a lot of boxes.

For those who wish to end the exploitation of children in reality TV, I suggest you go to:

http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com/

This site was started by Julie (Aunt Jodie's sister) long ago. It contains links and sample letters on what to write. Follow the links on the right side of the page.

I honestly do not think either Jon or Kate have a future in the industry and whatever they do will fail. They have ruined any chance they had. Desparation along with no talent doesnt make a good mix. And the sad truth is that wether they are on TV or not, if they don't get themselves together the kids are going to suffer. As for TLC they are ruining their reputation fast. I don't even want to get started on the pageant show. That to me is sick to do to small children no matter how you look at it.

You don't get to wake up one day and say I'm an author, TV host, want to be in movies and voices of cartoons. She is making a complete idiot of herself. I'm appauled at the entire fiasco, why anyone would support it is beyond me. I have noticed that the talk of them on tv shows have diminished greatly lately, so I believe they attraction is dying down big time. I don't wish them ill will either, I wish they would get a clue, for the sake of the kids. It will be interesting to see what TLC plans to do with a show with just her. Of course I dont plan to watch, I'll just wait for the reviews.

Diane I am glad that you liked the link. I decided to do a little reading when all of this was brought up. National laws would be best I thought after reading this article. That would make all these kind of shows have to comply and not just a state by state compliance, which I am not even sure exists or if it does it might not be consistent from state to state. Anyway yes, I agree that particular lawyer/professor is doing a good thing.

bbsak....you are "putting your dvr on slow and careully" watching a commercial??

with all due respect, and i do not claim to know you even a little bit, but sounds like you need to get a hobby or something.

way too much time on your hands to be obsessing over the amount of camera time that the twins see versus the other 6.

come on now, that is a little creepy don't ya think??

You guys the cookbook deal is not off just yet. TLC has released a webisode about the cookbook. All these projects are on hold they are not over...Paula Deen is not off, Tlc's new project...

Tlc and Kate are just "reloading" this is far from over with her quest for fame. The most we can hope for is the children get a break out of this & do not have to be on camera at all/or as much.

Believe me I wish she would just go away...but she said it about it being addicting.

mep,

I doubt if mep is trying to be creepy. Try to be nice.

They did say they were focusing on school for the twins and I think this is why the lack of air time.

Sorry that last comment was to bbsak, I don't think mep is trying to be creepy. But, I guess I don't know either one of you really. I just think we should be nice.

bbsak....you are "putting your dvr on slow and careully" watching a commercial??

with all due respect, and i do not claim to know you even a little bit, but sounds like you need to get a hobby or something.

way too much time on your hands to be obsessing over the amount of camera time that the twins see versus the other 6.

come on now, that is a little creepy don't ya think??

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not as creepy as child molesters watching in slow motion for their own enjoyment. or, they can use the $20 picture of the kids--that the creep bought from the kid's MOTHER.

Kate Gosselin has sold her kid's pictures, has shown them in various stages of dressing/undressing.

Now, who's creepy??

We had online petitions for a couple of years, but did not get the number of signatures we needed to make a difference. I have written the FCC, Zondervan, Gymboree, The Loft, the Southern Womens Show, Oprah, etc., etc., until the ink ran dry, but I am convinced now that any noise at all just keeps the ball in play.

TLC seems to thrive on controversy and the more the better. People tune in to watch these insipid programs and so they create more and more of them.

The initial complaint about the Gosselins was twofold. One, that the show was not reflecting the "reality" of the actual family, and two, that there was something just really wrong with Kate. It has now evolved to the point where millions of people just don't want children portrayed on these shows at all.

I sent a certified letter to my cable provider last month telling them that I have blocked all Discovery channels in my house and my reasons why. They did not reply. Maybe if they get enough letters like mine they will at least think about it.

Gymboree is no longer providing free clothing to the Gosselins, and Nestlea is not sending them any more Juicy Juice, so letters do help with the sponsors. Just keep those cards and letters flying to the people you do business with and tell them you will boycott until things change.

Hi Karen-
I usually do not use the word HATE either, but that's really what I feel towards K8 Gosselin. I am not a blind hater either, it's taken 5 SEASONS of K8's obnoxious, rude, selfish, self-serving behavior for me to loathe her as much as I do. I'm all for giving someone second, or even third chances, but she's blown EVERY opportunity to do the right thing. Karma is a bigger biatch than K8, she'll get what she deserves.

Anyway, I just had to respond to your comment given my blog "handle" =)

Hi all- regarding TLC's continued inappropriate filming of the kids, here is a post by a regular on GWOP:

"Just a side note about all the filming of the kids. For anyone who is worried about all the filming of the kids and the pedophiles and pervert out there, you need to be aware that these kids have been the topic of uncountable discussions on the sites they congregate on. It is throughly disgusting, and alot pf the various "fan pages" and youtube posts regarding individual kids are or were from these professed boy/girl lovers. I only know this because a friend of mine works for a police departments child sex crimes unit. "

TLC has proven that they do not care ONE IOTA about those kids. I really want to know how they are slipping under the radar. I also really want to know how those involved with this show sleep at night.

Mep, glad to see you've returned. I'm wondering if you could talk about something more substantial, and speaking of "creepy" what do you think of TLC's policy to expose young children in various forms of undress on their program "Toddlers and Tiaras" and also in filming the Gosselin tups changing clothes in a locker room before their gymnastics class?

Do you think pedophiles watch TV programs that feature children? Have you ever seen videos of the Gosselin children on YouTube that are made by individulas and put to rock music? Do you think pedophiles like to look at them, and maybe even make them?

Do you think it is the responsibility of the TV channel to protect the rights of small children? Do you think TLC exhibits one iota of integrity in this regard? Do you think they care?

Someone is leaking another contract, this one unsigned, to Radaronline about Jon Gosselin. This is gonna be a muddy free for all.

Of course Kate's publicity of the day looks akin to St. Kate letting her kids have a junk drink. (Probably with that last 1,000 she no longer is worried about)

Cry me a river TLC has a countdown clock on the Jon & Kate ticking down til the last time we see them all together.

What the hey...we see these clowns and their kids everyday...The Audacity of Spin tour....3 days 18 hours 4 min 3 sec coming to a tv near you. Get ready to be lied to, see footage from 2 months ago, hear Kate whine, watch Jon flirt with paparazzi....As Archie Bunker used to sing, "Those were the days."

Please join us and all the BBF's even if you cannot bear to watch...Z will watch so we can shred this family to pieces with their own material.

Have a great weekend ya'll.

IAccording to the online court records, it looks like TLC got the "special assignment" judge they asked for. I read on divorcegosselinstyle blog that is pretty much judge shopping. The lawyer who runs that blog is good at making it all a little more easy to understand. I think Jon and Kate both have problems and both could be better people and parents ( can't we all) but I also hope Jon wins against TLC.

I think the only reason TLC isn't making a bigger fuss about not filming the kids anymore is because so many people and child advocate groups are standing up about it. They do however think they can make something out of Kate. What I don't think they realize fully is that Kate nor Jon have anything to offer aside from them having so many kids. That boat has sunk. There is no appeal anymore period. The whole thing started due to them struggling as a large family. The gig is up. Anything they try to do from this point forward will be boycotted. My advice to TLC, DONT WASTE YOUR TIME PERIOD AND CLEAN UP YOUR STATION BEFORE ITS GONE TOO. There is way too much negative contraversy about Jon and Kate for them to get sponsors for anything. I read that Jodi and Kevin, the Aunt and Uncle, are continuing with their efforts to regulate childrens rights in reality shows. The Gosselins are going to be the poster family and associated with it forever. And rightful so. It was so obvious that Kate has no talent when she was on the view next to woman who do. She didn't invent taking kids to the zoo or feeding them lunch so I would suggest she do anything that no one has to hear about, really. I'm sorry but the simple fact that she had to have all that help makes her even more incapable. Her immaturity and ignorance keeps showing more and more. Parents are supposed to protect thier children and provide a safe enviroment for them to grow into the people THEY were meant to be. All this has forever effected who they are. And I don't know who she lives with herself. Just because she felt inadequate growing up poor, does not mean that money can buy emotional stability and well being for her children. It doesn't and it doesnt buy class or integrety either. Shuffling kids around the country and with cameras in thier faces takes away the quality of anything you do.

Regarding the clothing, there was a womans store kate used to go in on the show and they gave her clothes in exchange for the store being on the show. It was said that kate would come in and get arm loads of clothes and they had to limit her to $1000.00 per month, I think they eventually quit letting come at all. Just more of her greed, lack of humitliy and gratefullness, all of a woman who claims scripture gets her through the days. I have alot of scipture she seemed to have missed.

Hello everyone:

I wasnt aware that there was more than one karen leaving messages on this blog. I am the karen who left her last message on Nov 19 at 8:29pm and have changed my name to karenfromcanada to differentiate myself from the other poster - Im finding it confusing trying to remember which posts are mine.

love you guys - keep up thegood work and have a fabulous weekend.

All of Jon's footage from this upcoming final episode was filmed on August 25th. I think it's important to remember just how long ago that was in Gosselin time.

nanb,

Thanks for that link I am going there today and check to see how I can help.

bbsak - I meant that I don't think you were being creepy. I still got that backwards when I posted. Too many mep's. Anyway, dito to what ALY said up above. The real stuff we have to worry about is all the internet exploitation of these kids and the real creepy things that this exposes the kids too.

Have a nice day, Aly - you are always the voice of reason.

karenfromcanada,

Jon and Kate are almost over.

I'm glad that we have that straighted out. I like to read the posts and try to keep straight who is who. There are two Marie's and that is confusing also. So far only one Sherry. We used to make a lot of trips to Canada when I was small, my dad had friends there from the Army. I really love it up there. Sometimes I wish I could take my kids on a trip there, but now you need a passport and all of that. When we used to go border crossing was easier. In Sandusky, Ohio though we have an amusement park and I met a lot of Canadians there last summer because it is just across the border and they are the most friendly people. Most of the American's just walk past, but they always sat down to chat, it was great.

Sorry, sorry Z off topic. I promise to quit that.

Ok BBFs (Best blogger friends-if you are on this site you are included)

Kate:Kate:Kate:plus she makes money off 8

Countdown 2days,11hours,14min,10sec

Ya know: I wonder what kind of hissy fits she is throwing this weekend in the presence of the gardner, nanny, and organic chef, oh and 8 precious kids over the indefinate hiatus of her cash cow.

Thanks Freegosselin8 this is not new footage: maybe of Kate but what is being said from Jon & seen of the kids is months ago. And,you better bet Jon will be edited in the worst light possible by none other than the infamous lying channel themselves. Kate will get her digs in too (I cant help but pick at your high road Kate~ you say some stupid things but that one goes in the hall of fame)

If any kool aide campers are around, yes, I am negative about the show, yes I will watch it so that I am sure to have new material to prosecute this fraud with, & Yes I welcome your comments and am sure you will not like to hear my response.

Z, this is civility at its finest. The jokers of America's biggest fraud since the Lip Syncers of the 90s have earned this.

Even though the J&K+8 show is now done, won't they both make plenty of money from reruns? Or will the end of the show mean the family won't be shown anymore?

Being Jon has stopped the kids from being filmed for new shows, does that mean they can't be shown in reruns either?

Also, if TLC is now hyping Kate with a new show to debut in the spring, will she continue on the TLC payroll until that show starts?

And.. if Jon is not working and she is, will he then begin collecting alimony &child support from Kate after their divorce is final?

As you can see.. I have many questions about this most important.. (cough) .. subject.

Happy Saturday !

Hi HATEKATE!
You are a great blogger and truly I cannot stand Kate as I know her from the show, either! I used to feel great sympathy for Jon, but now I reserve my feelings for the 8 kids who don't have a choice as to their parents. The Gosselins are Grifters and Takers!

Thanks, Z, for all of your hard work!

Isn't it interesting that we haven't been inundated with stories on tv, stories in mags, all the typical gosselin blah blah blah AND no pics from the p people of kate doing her usual trivial errands? That is the thought that made me laugh when Jon complained that he is too famous to get a regular job and Kate said it would do no good to get out of show business because the p people would still be there but the Gosselins wouldn't be getting a pay check. Since they are sort of off the radar right now, NO P People following their every move. Hmmm.... so WHO does TLC think is still going to be waiting around come Spring to watch Kate be a flop on yet another show (like Season 5 flopped with her as the major focus), she doesn't have nearly as many speaking engagements as before, the ones she gets are pretty much flops, oh well, she lasted longer than most thought she would or than she deserved..