The only show that ever seems to do any fact checking and follow-ups is The Daily Show.

What? She gave the dogs back????? I had to put my beautiful german shepherd down after 11 great years. I would have taken one of them. Those poor dogs, and poor kids for losing them. Obviously, I don't watch anymore. I can't stomach it. Thanks for the update.

Hi Livon, We went through what you did with two great german shepherds. I feel the same way you do. And I am sorry for your loss. But, yes, she sent them back. Said she need a break or something from them. The act defined insensitivity and selfishness. Z

Wow, hate Kate much? She has set up another account for the children- money I'm sure she doesn't want to touch. I agree that she went overboard on the "I can't pay my bills" line, but up until this point she's been quiet about the details of Jon's wrong doing, whereas Mr. Gosselin can't seem to shut up about anything.

As for the dogs- it was made clear the Jon was owner of the dogs, he's the one who choose to relocate to a NYC apartment. It's far more responsible to give the dogs up then not have the time to properly care for them. Too many people buy pets on a whim and then neglect them because they didn't realize what they were getting into. Both Jon and Kate should have waited for the kids to get older before taking on such a big responsibility, but I think the dogs are better off in a less hectic, tense environment. Too bad the kids don't have a place they can get away from their parent's drama.

Seriously, it's not all Kate's fault. But wait- you did put in one little tiny sentence about Jon lying. I guess that makes it fair and balanced, right?

is there any way to bring this awful woman out for all of her lies? It makes me so angry and frustrated when Today and The View and others will allow her on their shows and then seem to BELIEVE her tears and ridiculous stories of poverty and jon stealing from his children and etc., etc. WHY - if they had watched her from the beginning, they would know she is a mean- spirited fake. I just want her brought out as the phony, money-grubbing, camera seeking, fake-tanning witch she is. HOW CAN IT BE DONE?

its just sad how john and Kate have to do this. i personally love their shows.

Z, those 2.4 million viewers - was that for the first 1/2 hour or for both shows combined? The 9:00 hour is a new show and the 9:30 hour is a rerun.

Me thinks that the ladies on The View and the show's producers will feel plenty stupid and badly duped with this revelation of the breakdown of the $235,000. And there's still WAY more to come out--like whatever money Kate has hidden from Jon, which will be no paltry sum. The View ladies will address this at some point; just watch it happen. Nobody likes being used to dispense with false information.

Saw Mondays show. Kinda bittersweet. Brought back memories of mine going to school for first time. Kate is an amazing mom. All the pain and drama and she finds the strength to keep it together for her children. I hope she does the talk show with Paula Dean. She is really funny and smart. All this will pass and the hatemongers will disappear. Kate must continue on to show other women that they can overcome such painful obstacles in life.

Jon has had 4 girl friends already and they are not even yet divorced. He said he only took 22,000 dollars from the account and he took 180,000! Quite a difference! Also-- the money Kate takes is to pay the bills. Jon doesn't pay the bills. He buys expensive cars for himself and his girlfriend. He travels to Vegas and Europe and spends money on cigarettes and stupid earrings for himself. He has humiliated his wife and children with his behavior. And as to the comments that Kate is a mean person--she had and has a large task in front of her. Raising 8 children takes organization and drive. These are qualities that Jon does not have. Someone had to step up to the plate and Kate was the one who did this. Jon always comments on how passive he was. Kate had some moments when she lost her temper with him. I have certainly had moments like that with my own husband and children--just wasn't captured on t.v. She is dealing with a lot. I have watched the show from the beginning. Kate is a good mother. Jon has made choices that I feel he will one day regret deeply. My biggest surprize is that Hayley Glassman wants anything to do with him. She could certainly do better.

Thank you Z. I was about to explode.

What I find interesting is the Judge did not rule on anything yesterday. Yet, Kate's camp comes out ant releases a bold statement. And, after she throws the father of her 8 children under the bus....says now she will return to privacy. The networks, the papers all jumped on Kate and the lawyer's statement like nothing I have ever seen before. POOP is the nicest way I can put it.

And, Kate gets rewarded again...for distorting the truth. You ever hear the saying, "She got the gold mine, I got the shaft"

Jon is not in the right by any means. But remember everyone while she galavanted the U.S. the last two years those kids were home with Jon.

I hope those kids do not have to start filming again. I really hope.

I read that Kate had access to that account if she overdrew their checking account paying family bills. That's how she found out that the money was gone - she contacted her bank to let them know how much she had written in checks and they told here there wasn't enough to cover them.
I'm not defending her, for all we know the checks she wrote were for herself (that's why she has to come up with receipts) - but she DID have access to the account in question. She's not stupid and she knew that account was protected by the court so there's also a good chance she didn't do anything wrong.
There's also the possibility that a large portion of the $55,000 went to the kid's tuition.

Oh, and I forgot to add - I think the dogs are better off now that they are living with their breeder than in the Gosselin Family Freakshow.

Kate Gosselin IS such a liar and always has been! Those of us that grew up with her in Pa. has known this for along time! I am glad she is finally getting caught up in her own lies. And I don't know anyone that feels sorry for or pities her, just the opposite. Going on those talk shows makes her look even more pathetic. Please make Jon & Kate go away!

Katie I think it would be wise to see the episode on TLC about the dogs. Kate picked them, Kate named them, Kate griped and moaned and groaned until them dogs were EXILED!!!!

KATE KATE KATE KATE KATE KATE KATE KATE !!!!!!!!!!!! x 8

Sorry, I am just about over it is all about her 8. It is all about her. The only reason the money is an issue with Jon is she wants those cameras rolling. As long as he rolled over like the dogs.......oh..... That woman I truly believe geniunely took advantage of Jon cuz she is just a tad bit smarter & more kniving them him. He is an idiot all on his own. He gets it honestly.

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, Kate's Krew is out in force defending her today...

Stop your bitching. Its a divorce no one ever tells the complete truth during a divorce. Reading your article your bias is more than obvious which to me is funny. I say funny because I can't take it serious. To be concise, stop bitching. Your bitch fit was epic, it was grand in all things funny. However, next time type the whole story in its entirety the Kate bashing angle comes off more like a jealous rant.

Why didnt you mention all the national TV shows Jon went on wving one single piece of paper claiming "I have proof right here that I didnt take the money"??? On one program he said, "I will print out the PDF version and bring it tomorrow!" and nothing was ever shown or brought or proven. Then on Monday he actually admitted he DID take the money but then started saying, "Well, Kate took money too! Davd Zurawik (author of this Kate-hating piece above) has a real blind spot when it comes to Jon who lies everytime he opens his mouth. Men who have such hatred for Kate are weak, spinelss, wimps who totally relate to John who was such a weak spineless wimp on the 'Jon * Kate Plus 8' TV show. Kate was constantly frustrated that he husband was not a real man and finally she just began treating him like he was one of the kids since that is how he acted. In an interview on Monday Joh actually said, "Michael Jackson is the most popular star on earth and I am second most popular and Kate is fifth" ...He is truly delusional. I'll bet he' alredy spent the $180,000 he is supposed to give back on drugs and on Hailey. What on earth she sees in him is beyond me...Oh! Of course, its the $180,000...So now that the gravy train is running dry she will be history.

None of us knows the true details on the dogs..but I can understand why they were sent back to the breeder.

I'd guess when they got them that part of the deal was that Jon help out with the care of the dogs along with 8 kids. Since Jon is now living in NYC that is hard to do! Kate admitted at the beginning to not being a dog person. Sorry it didn't work out but hate to see so much of the blame pointed totally at her. She's a tough lady who married a weak man.

Everyone knew Kate was crying it up for the cameras. That's her MO. And Jon said he took about $170,000 so he was pretty much honest about the whole thing.

As for The View and Today, well they can't be bothered with the truth. Lies get more viewers, so I don't expect them to dispel any myths anytime soon.

Bonnie, please step away from the computer and quit assuming that what you read on Radaronline is truthful.

Jon did say he took $180,000 over several months. Kate insinuated he took $200,000 at one time and left her no money, when in fact Kate had removed $50,000 from the account. But, the Kate sheeple ignore that part of the facts.

Also, if you think Kate Gosselin is raising those children, well, as they say, "I have some swampland in Colorado I'll sell you". These Kate sheeple - I just don't understand.....

As a former Dog Breeder, I applaud Kate for sending the dogs back to the breeder. Honestly, I doubt there is much time for the family to be spending quality training moments with them.

It's better than her just dumping them at the pound....or neglecting them.

I have taken many dogs back from their owners due to divorce, death etc....A responsible dog breeder is happy do this and recognizes it's part of the business.

On aside note....Why in the world would a women like Kate purchase German Shepards?

C,mon Z. You've gotta give Jon some equal time here.

It was interesting last week when he said he didn't want the kids filmed anymore then allowed Entertainment Tonight an exclusive filming of him picking up the twins on their birthday and their party.

Jon and Kate are quite the purveyors of propaganda! It will only work to a point, though, before they are publicly held accountable for the lies they've told to the various media outlets. Before long, both will be held up for public scorn as the worst of humanity of our day. I only look for The View and The Today Show to acknowledge Kate's lies when the public is laughing at them for being so stupid. As for the kids, of course these are the values they are being instilled with. Take Jon, for example. He's not considering becoming Jewish. Nothing wrong with that, except for the fact that the Jews are still looking for the Christ--allegedly the savior Jon has claimed to believe in all along. It was, after all, CHRISTIAN churches that gave him and Kate all of their initial support as struggling parents of eight. And it was CHRISTIAN congregations that gave them ever so many "love offerings." Whatever way the wind is blowing dollar bills is where you can find Jon and Kate. I wouldn't be surprised if Kate doesn't end up posing for Playboy. It's money and attention, and that's the only reality in the Gosselins' world.

Kate was talking about the money being used over the course of months, and it is possible that Jon taking the 22K he said he took right before she was on the view left her with only 1K in the account.
Without having all the facts you should not be accusing her of lying.
The judges order is pretty clear that Jon violated the terms of arbitration.
I think she is doing a great job of dealing with all this. They went on TV in the first place when they had 8 kids and couldn't pay the bills. She made sure they were supported without help from taxpayers while raising 8 kids.
I wish her the best.

Jon Gosselin is a liar in everything he says. Now he has a lawyer to float lies too.

He is the big spender. Kate is the frugal thinking ahead person who saves for the future and to keep a roof over the head of the kids.

Right.....look after 8 kids and throw 2 German Shepards in the mix. I LOVE dogs and have 2 of my own but I certainly wouldn't if I were a single mom with 8 small children to care for. If Jon were so concerned about the dogs he would found homes for them.....i am sure people would be lined up to take the "famous" Gosslin pets, but he would rather play the poor me....poor dogs...card! Say what you want about Kate but she is unquestionably the more responsible parent here and Jon really needs to grow up and put his big boy pants on!

Jon admitted to taking $180,000 out of the joint account over a course of a year, his last withdrawal of $22,000 came at the end of September. Kate, the queen of liars then made the talk show rounds claiming he emptied their joint account of all but $1000 leaving her destitute and unable to pay the bills. Most people didn't catch the lie and went on to feel sorry for the drama queen. But with Kate, you have to listen carefully to hear the lies of omission, the half truths and the paid truths (this woman will say an do and promote anything for a buck).

Bottom line, the 8 children MUST be provided for. The mother usually goes into that protective mode. And they'd be just trailor trash with Jon at the helm.

I think its the total aggravation, that "we" can't help but comment on the stupidity of these two. I've said it before, I really think Kate has a personality disorder, narrsissim and histrionic, if not full blown borderline. She constantly contradicts herself, even to the kids. I truly feel sorry for them. I used to watch occaisionlly awhile back, but started seeing the patterns, and it getting way to commercialized. I knew it would blow up. Both of them are way too uneducated and have no real talent to be in this industry. Its so ridiculous that she was always correcting Jon's words yet on national TV she doesnt even use words properly. I still do not understand why no one is addressing the misuse of the kids. There faces in the photos speak volumes. Kate spanking and the babysitter screaming in their faces, I only could imagine what we are not seeing. Anyone else would have abuse or neglect charges against them. These parents are not even with their kids that often and I'm sure when they are they are emotionally unavailable. No human is capable of taking care of the childrens needs and at the same time doing all these interviews on TV. I do hope the show ends and all the networks quit giving them airtime, honestly there is 8 little lives at stake, and yes it has become that serious.

Jon has been acting like a fool since the beginning of this year, yes. But that does not erase the fact that he was the full-time stay at home parent for at least the year previous to the separation, and does not forgive or explain Kate's treatment of him during their marriage; behavior that if it had been directed by him towards her would have had people crying "abuse" years ago.

Kate certainly has not "been quiet about the details of Jon's wrong doing" ... she's been all over the press, from People to Good Housekeeping, blasting him and sniffling about being a "single mother" (even though she and Jon have shared custody and full-time help) ever since the separation was announced. Jon did not start trying to defend himself in the media until recently. Even then, with the exception of saying he "despised" Kate on CBS, he has refrained from saying anything negative about Kate, while the same cannot be said about her.

Saying she believes in taking the high road does not mean she is actually taking the high road.

I do not understand why either one of these self-absorbed so-called adults deserves the benefit of the doubt on anything. It is past time for the Court to appoint a Guardian Ad Litem on behalf of those poor children.

Thank you for being the only journalist in America who is actually writing about the truth. Kate lied like crazy and it is simply deplorable. Why would two adults behave like this on television and think they can get by with it? Yet you are the only journalist who is reporting about how Kate lied!! Thank God for you. I wish we had more journalist like you. I am putting the Baltimore Sun on my favorites list. Both Jon AND KATE suck and we need to report about both of their disgusting atrocious behavior so people will truly get sick of them such that people won't buy the rags that sell these lies. Baltimore Sun sells the truth!

How nice to read an article where the author has obviously looked at more than just the tabloids that started covering J&K when news of Jon and the schoolteacher broke.

Kate lies all of the time. In fact, she lies on her own show. She talks about all of the time she is with the kids - as if Jon is never there - when in reality Kate was on the road for over a month last Spring and Jon took care of the children.

Kate says she doesn't know why Jon changed and left. Yet she says J&K Plus 8 is the main show that her children watch (terrible idea) and her berating, belittling and slapping Jon was a regular occurrence. Can she really not see that? The weirdest thing about Kate is she thinks she is cute and constantly mugs and talks to the camera - ugh!

Neither parent is worthy of those children but Kate's "Oh poor me, I'm a victim, feel sorry for me" lie/act is the worst.

As for the dogs - I love my two big dogs and can't imagine our family w/o them. However, the Gosselin dogs need to be well taken care of. If it is true that Kate put them in their crates during the day because she couldn't deal with them then they needed to go to a place where they could be dogs.

With any luck, the show will be off the air for good in a month. After that, since she won't have cameras on her in the house, Kate will hopefully go on the road with a picture book again and the nanny can be in charge of the family,

The one trump card that Jon is allegedly holding is an agreement, signed by them both in October 2008, that allowed him to date whomever he wanted, do whatever he wanted, AS LONG AS HE CONTINUED FILMING.

This has been talked about on other boards, and I seriously hope it does exist, because frankly, it would explain everything that has happened between them.

For instance, how would Kate not know he was out with Deanna? She would HAVE to know he wasn't home at 2 am. She would have to approve of the behavior. He didn't go to the bathroom without her permission at that time. His mistake was getting caught--and he was probably set up by TLC anyway, so it could begin its lovefest with Kate.

The Kate lovers are in for a rude, rude, TOUGH awakening when that agreement does surface--funny how the divorce KATE initiated wasn't filed because of infidelity . . . why is that?!? Her only comments have been that Jon has made bad choices, NOT that "he cheated on me." Hmmmmmmm . . .

Sorry , just had to throw that one out there, now that it appears the TLC trolls are back.

I saw a promo stating to watch "Jon and Kate Plus 8" "There are only a few more episodes left. Jon and Kate taking care of whats important" and then showed the kids.??? Does this mean its really OVER - PLEASE tell me as I haven't watched it since they moved to HER house "all mine". She is so fake doing the interviews - AND WHAT WOULD SHE AND PAULA DEAN HAVE IN COMMON? What a joke.

Katie, for the record, the dogs were Christmas gifts to the kids..not Jon. If you watched the show, you probably saw that one.

And, Bonnie. Yes, Kate does appear to have organizational skills and drive. Personally, I think those skills may be better suited to a marine drill sergeant than a mother. But, that is just my opinion.

I do not think Kate is a good mother. I think Kate fans like her because she makes them feel better about their own mothering abilities. Almost everybody is a better mother than Kate. Just my opinion.

People who are so consumed with their own lives should not take on the responsibility of 2 german sheperds. If in fact, they returned the dogs to the breeder, they are in a better place. Jon and Kate don't deserve the love and loyalty of the breed. I won't watch the drama anymore. I have better things to do such as love, play and walk my german sheperd!

Z, once again last night,Nancy Grace addressed the Gosselin situation. She was concerning herself with the allegations against Jon for messing with Kate's cell phone, bank records, etc. The guest Psychiatrist referred to the Gosselins as "low life" and Nancy bit his head off (as only she can do).
The Jon & Kate story just needs to "go away" for the sake of everyone.
Thanks for your truthful insight!

Isn't Nancy Grace just the cherry atop this madness? How did the controversy ever manage to get along with her? Thanks. I wish I had seen it. Maybe YouTube. Z

I can't believe kate wants to keep doing the show, I think the whole family has been through enough, I think they should sell the house and live like most american families by working hard and not by being on a show, because you had six children at once. I used to think the show was cute but now I feel that it is a big show just for jon and kate and the poor kids are thrown in the middle.

Well, this kind of media blitz seems to work if the ratings for the show went up. People like to watch a freak show and love to watch a train wreck and this is what Jon & Kate Plus 8 is - this is where the ratings bump comes from. Now if Kate can continue to play the wretched bitch that she is in real life, she should get great ratings on her show.

Sorry Z, but I doubt either The Today Show or The View is going to go back and do the math. The media has Jon and Kate jammed into the stereotypes of unfaithful husband/wronged wife. Who needs fact checking and follow ups?

Geez, the delusional shepple have just come out of the woodwork. Robin, ET did not film the twins birthday party.

Hey- I don't think either of them is a perfect, but lets at least be honest here. Jon stated that HE was sending the dogs back to the breeder because Kate would not take care of them during her 'shift'. So, option 2 is to get a 2nd home closer to your family and take the dogs with you when you go. Kate did not force him to get rid of the dogs ( as he has stated MANY times, Kate can no longer force him to do anything) It is his new 'alternative' lifestyle that forced him to be unable to care for his dogs properly, and that is why he took option #3 and sent them back to the breeder, where I hope they will end up in a much better home.

Mom of 3--First of all Kate became pregnant with the sextuplets while Jon was out of a job and knowing that they could not support them. The government paid for their care for a year and Kate wanted that to be extended stating they should not be financially responsible for raising their kids, it is societies responsibility! All of this while they were sitting on a hefty sum of money from Jon's dad. I think the taxpayers did pay for the kids care. Where else does money from the government come from?

He who has no sin cast the first stone..I

Just a comment about the dogs being in a kennel all day. I have an 8 month old Dorkie (yes, a new breed). He is very loved and spoiled. Lots of toys treats and his own car seat. Goes everywhere with us. Very smart and well trained. When I go to work for eight hours five days a week, he goes in a wire kennel. It protects him from harm and my house from damage. Also anyone who read the book Marley and Me knowsvthat dog destroyed a lot of cages and even Sheetrock to get out. It's is responsible to control your pets with physical boundaries.

Now's when we need that picture of Kate with the tissue dabbing her eyes!

Now there is Jon. Inside Edition will have a interview with Kevin Kreider, Kate's brother today. Entertainment Tonight will have interview with Jon. So much for being quiet. The judge should have ordered some Duck Tape to be bought out of the Gosselin account for their mouths. ( I am sure Katie Irene has a coupon somewhere in that sprawling 1.2 million dollar estate)

To the former dog breeder - the divorce had nothing to do with sending the dogs back. Jon and Kate were too lazy and stupid to care for them properly in the first place. There were/are plenty of people at the McMansion to look after those animals before and after the split of these two cretins. The dog issue is a metaphor for how they've handled their children, their money, their marriage and their so-called celebrity. There won't be any survivors from this disaster.

"Lazy and stupid" does describe them when ti comes to how they behaved toward the dogs. Thanks. Z

Regarding the dogs being returned to the breeder: I believe that any reputable breeder will tell you to bring your dog(s) back to them if you find you are not able to care for them for them. This is exactly what our breeder asked us to do when we adopted our puppies. They can then screen new, prospective families and find a good home. How sad for those dogs and the kids, though.

How about the lawyers, when do you think Jon and Kate will figure out that the more they bicker, the more money the lawyers will make....
Then they may both need a real job.

The lying is really extraordinary, even for these two. Of course, these are the same two people who were still asking for "love offerings" from unsuspecting church congregations while they were making a seven figure salary from TLC. At least they're consistent!

P.S. Z - Be proud! When you get called "jealous" it means you've uncovered the indefensible truth and struck a nerve!

David, it's obvious to me you do not live in a million dollar plus house yourself, or you would realize the 55k Kate took, would cover a few months of mortgage payments, utiities,
+ taxes,nanny bills, and new school clothes for a family of 9. Your criticism of her is pathetic.

You are right: I do not live in a million dollar house. Oh wait, I'm sorry, a "million dollar plus house." I also do not believe it is okay to go on TV and lie about your so-called plight. But maybe if I did live in a "million dollar plus house," I would think it is okay to be a liar. Is that what you are saying? Thanks. Z

Every time I pull up my internet home page and do not see Jon and/or Kate's names, I am THRILLED!!! Hopefully soon we will not have to see or hear about them anymore. They are NOT celebrities. Just someone who found a way to cash in on a stressful and financially costly situation that they themselves created. It didn't just happen to them, like an accident or illness. So, ENOUGH ALREADY!!

Kate only has to account for how she spent the $55,000, which she claims she spent on the kids. Nothing about this means that she has 55,000 laying around, and was lying about not being able to pay her bills. With 8 kids and two mortgages her bills must be huge. The judge did not tell her to pay it back, just to account for how she spent it.

Jon, on the other hand, did lie. He spent that money on women, cars, etc That money was for the care of his children, and that's why he has to pay it back. Now his new inner circle will have to give him a loan and he'll be their slave instead of Kate's.

Sad.

Paula- ET was allowed a live stream video from the house. Even though they didn't show the actual party they did show him picking up the kids from school that day. Does that make it any better??? Not to me it doesn't. Still goes against his earlier statements of it being a private matter.

They both need to shut up and go away. They're this little couple with a huge batch of kids that thought TLC could help them with the financial obligations of Kate's "I'm not conceiving the first time we try so I'm going to get invitro" way of thinking.
Jon appears to be a lazy, weak baby who allowed his wife to lead him around by the nose.
All of a sudden, with the 'help' of his infant girlfriend and best buddy (and Father of the Year candidate) Michael Lohan, he is suddenly empowered to 'stand up' to Kate. By 'stand up' I mean act like a 2 year old. "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF MEEEE....NANNER, NANNER, NANNER!!!"
The show was mildly interesting when the kids were being kids...cute, bumbling, slightly naughty and we were watching Jon and Kate have to do the work (and thanking God it wasn't us).
Now that they're 'famous' they seem to think the world is their stage in which to play out their hideous divorce.
News flash, Jon and Kate, MILLIONS of people get divorced every year. Most of them know that the rest of us don't give a rat's butt.
We're just out here trying to keep our heads above water financially while you two fight about your millions.

Shut up and GO AWAY.

Oops - I might have hit "send" too quick! Pennsylvania has also agreed to pay for college for the sextuples. That all sounds like taxpayer money to me, Momof3!

come on now , you all go on this person that person , where actualy it takes two to be happy or to go throu the divorce. i been there new house for x-mas to come the next month my ex wanted divorce , meanwhile hiding money away and still whined for more , i took me name off mortgages, and gave her the house, a car , and all the furniture. so blaming one or the other is just a bunch of bull , only one hurt in all this are the kids.............plain and simple

Why wont they all go away? Pleeeeeze?

You are exactly right on John. The kids are the ones hurt here. HURT, MANIPULATED, EXPLOITED, and on and on.

I take exception though. These 2 parents told their lies as truth & are milking the public for all the more....And the media is allowing Kate & JON to do it. You should see Good Housekeeping article just out...TLC used these parents now they want to shut out the dad,(cuz he wont play the game) and tie him in an exclusive contract so they can muzzle him & they can make more money off of a LIE. All the while they are presenting Kate as some SINGLE MOM OF THE YEAR...gag me with a silver spoon!

Jon said last week he took $170,000. And, I will go as far as (my opinion only) say that if he would let those kids continue the KATE PLUS 8...I bet that little money indiscretion would be wrapped up in that VAULT Ms. Kate has. Funny how that vault only opens when she wants it to.

Could someone please shove this information up Nancy Grace's ... until she chokes on it.

I was really sorry to see the ratings were up. But, I can't say I didn't watch.

Obviously Kate was trying to get sympathy when she knew that she had money in the bank. I'm sure she is happy that her lawyers got their way. %55,000 minus $1,000 still equals $54,000, so she was not broke afterall. That would pay a lot of my bills.

Does anyone think it is strange that there is no mention of an attorney for these 8 children? Also, isn't it a shame that people who have purposely had 8 children are divorcing?
There is so much to this story that we do not know. Who do you know with 8 kids locks their young kids out of the master bedroom? So sad.

David, Of course I am not saying it is ok to be a liar. I am saying the responsibilty of paying the bills, taxes and house payments for a million dollar home AND paying for food, clothes, daycare expenses, etc add up to at least 55k. Where is the lying? Kate will prove her expenses when she goes back to court. When she does, would you then agree she is not a liar??? The account was court designated for household family expenses which I believe Kate will prove, given her lifestyle and # of people in the home. I do not understand why people begrudge her wanting to raise her kids in a nice home. I find Jon's spending habits immature and embarassing, buying bmw's, designer clothes, etc. Kate clothes are Ann Taylor Loft, no exactly expensive. They just look that way because she is attractive and wears them well. The judge ordered Jon to give the money back and for Kate to prove her expenses. I sincerely do not understand how you think that is lying.

Bottom line, the 8 children MUST be provided for. The mother usually goes into that protective mode. And they'd be just trailor trash with Jon at the helm.

Posted by: AuntyM | October 14, 2009 12:17 PM
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First, "Usually" is not good enough when you're talking about the lives of children. In this case Kate is not the nurturing parent. Jon is and always has been.

Secondly, I'm not sure what you mean by trailer trash with Jon at the helm. Not to mention, I hate the term trailer trash.

I am surprised that most of those commenting are "taking sides". These two are grifters. Kate's own mother stated that Kate has always wanted multiples and not just those twins. Since she is basically disinterested in the children individually, I strongly suspect she recognized a human litter could result in $$$$. And she is/was right. She and Jon started shopping the videos of a possible show idea even before the sextuplets were born. Huge medical bills all paid by the state taxpayers, a free home make over, large inheritance from Jon's DAD, college fund set up by the state, love offerings ( cash only!) from all the churches, 20.00 for a signed photo, 112 episodes, free food, clothes, cars, and on and on.
I have a great sense of sadness when I realize that they could continue to prosper and we may never see the karma coupon called that they deserve.

It's time to quit worrying about Jon and Kate and their eight and realize that these two parents have raked in plenty of dough to set their whole family up for life. If they've squandered the money, so be it. Let them squirm, lie and twist all they want, but how many parents of eight or more have had the financial and material advantages of this bunch? Why not worry about the children in foster care or your local shelter, the little singletons who've never made it into the headlines? Let Jon and Kate figure out how to take care of their own. They made them.

My family has had to deal with the PA courts for several issues. They are very fair and follow the law to the "T". IF Jon was made to pay back that money..it is because he did not follow a legal binding agreement. I wondered as I read this author...if he is a divorce man. He put so much hatred toward Kate. Yet, she walked out of court in my eyes being the more truthful person. The court obviously saw it the same way. Jon has not done anything to make me see him in a better light since he chose to leave his 8 children and enjoy his bachelor life. They are the ones who will suffer the most. Leave Kate alone. Jon is showing his true colors. Kate has always been Kate. Like it or not...she is who she is and doesn't pretend to be otherwise. Get a life folk and leave these 2 alone to handle their divorce.

I've been through a divorce. It was not pretty. I had one child, not 8. I did and said some pretty awful things during those early years due to anger, frustration, fear and exhaustion. I've even apologized to my ex's 2nd wife as they began dating soon after our separation and she bore the brunt of my frustrations. Emotions/ feelings run wild and at this stage of the game, there is simply too much raw emotion for Jon/Kate to act rationally. Everyone points fingers and blame at these 2, but I will not. My ex did the same things...went out and bought a new car, left me with $100 to my name and a car that broke down constantly and a child that had to go in daycare fulltime. I was a complete broken and angry mess. But there was one thing I was determined to do-provide for my child. I was driven to do whatever it took and I did. We never went hungry and never did without. I had one child. I don't know what I would have done had I had 8 children??? But I'm willing to bet if there was a tv show in the offing and it would have provided my child a better life, I would have done it.

As for the dogs, Kate stated from the get-go she was not a dog person. I do feel terribly bad that the kids had to lose their pets. I think part of the issue here is someone should have provided what seemed to be lacking--training for the dogs and education for Kate on obedience. I couldn't understand why they were crating these dogs when they had so much land.

The upside here is my ex and his 3rd wife now come to dinner during the holidays so we don't have to split time with our son and grandchildren. I'm fine with it, him, and his delightful new wife. I pray all of this healing comes to Jon and Kate.

Someone posted this on my facebook.

Befitting the Gosselin duo...

"Lying is the truth of character" Giordono Campenella.

Kate is lying. According to Jon, there are 11 bank accounts. Interesting.

Kate's court papers have an e-mail from the bank that gives details on withdrawals. There are several 10,000 withdrawals that Kate made. She has got to be hiding money!

Hi, Lauren, I will ask Kate's attorney, Mark Momjian, about that the next time I talk to him. I have an update with him in today's post. I am waiting for an email statement from him. hope to speak to him again. Thanks. Z

Way before any of this "TROUBLE" came up I was talking with my son and he was saying how he wished he had the kind of money they were making from this show. I just asked him if he could want it enough to have every move his kids made televised to the world. After a little pause he said no - I want them to be themselves without the rest of the world involved, which made me very proud of him. I myself came from very humble beginnings that have risen slightly but in no way what the world would be called comfortable. I too was a single mother (of 3) for a big part of the time. I did not have a helpful involved husband, like Jon, even when he was there he just added to my burden. I did all of my "house" work, while working full time and at one point going to school. As my kids grew older they did help me out a lot. When you already have 2 heathy children and that is apparantly all you can afford, why would you go through invirto, which I hear is very expensive. Why does Kate think her children deserve the lifestyle they have any more than other children do. My kids never really went on a vacation. It wasn't because I didn't want them to go but because there was not enough money for it. I know I am going back and forth but bare with me. You have a neighbor come in to fold clothes - give me a break. Your children are dressed impecably and identically all they time. If you are so poor that doesn't happen - you by at consignment shops and they are never going to have that many identical outfits. And Kates trips to the spa - I had my first pedicure when I was in my late 50's and can't even imagine spending that kind of money pampering myself if money is an issue. I could go on and on here!! The way she constantly put Jon down because he wasn't speaking the way she wanted him to (even changing his words to mean something different sometimes), always berating him and building herself up as far more superior I am surprised he didn't walk out on her 5 years ago. I wouldn't have lasted that long. I'm not excusing Jon's actions lately but apparantly their "marriage" has been over for sometime - with her telling him to do what ever he wanted but just show up for the taping. I really do believe she made that statement. I don't think I have ever seen a bigger narcicist than Kate. I did love the show when the kids were very young but lost interest when Kate appeared to start scripting or maybe it was acting. I would love to see her brought to her knees. When I read that the state of Pennsylvania was going to pay for the kids college education it really pissed me off. I have 2 grandchildren living in PA and my son, their father, is on disability due to health reasons - he is worrying himself sick how he is going to be able to send his kids to college and my children never got the chance until they were away from home and earning their own money. I guess BOTTOM LINE - if you can't support 8 children don't have them - no one has the right to have children and then expect those of us that supported our own children, no matter how many jobs it took and even if we couldn't afford to eat "ORGANIC" to support their's and especially to a lavish lifestyle we will never be able to afford. I do pray that filming will be stopped and these children will be able to live some kind of normal life.

Poor babies. Jon and Kate are acting like self entitled pampered little babies. They have enough money, all off their kids. Enuf.

I can't believe I'm defending either of this imbeciles but nowhere does it say that Kate took $55,000 of the $230,000 she was talking about. It simply says SHE must account for $55,00 she took out of the account. Jon is ALSO on the hook, from the reports I read, to account for ALL the money he withdrew and may, if the court doesn't like his explanation (i.e. the SUV he supposedly bought his new girlfriend), have to put back more than the initial $180,000 decried. I'm not a lawyer but I'd guess that the $180,000 he's supposed to return is what his lawyer has said he still has liquid and immediately available. The court will not , as a first step, make an onerous demand like selling assets without a much deeper explanation/investigation.

Hi SW, I tend to agree with your assessment of both. Your take on the money jibes with what Kate Gosselin's attorney, Mark Momjian, told me today. Except Momjian says Kate did take $55,000, but says all of it was spent on household expenses and the kids. Please see the update in the post if you have not already done so. Thanks. Z

It really doesnt matter. Kate is going to get what Kate wants. That is really what is underlying in all this mess. Jon fell for it all hook, line, and sinker. Now, because he is not as sharp of a pencil as her and did this all the wrong way you watch...she is gonna get it all and more. She has the good attorneys, she has the press, tv, Oh, I shudder to think what a monster she will be 1 year from now. Jon will have to jump every time she says.

Why don't the kids have representation? There is no hope for this family.

Robin, ET along with Katedar and other tabloid shows were outside the Konpound filming Jon's arrival. No one was allowed on the property, the party was not filmed.

I can't wait to see how the judges figure this one out. None of the numbers make any sense. Even if you add up the larger amount that Jon took and the amount Kate used there is still at least a
$5,000 discrepancy or more. I was giving Kate the benefit of the doubt that she did not use the $1,000 Jon had left in the account. Who knows, someone is obviously lying and that is the bottom line. I am sure they must lie to the kids. After all Kate threw six bags of their stuff away and she probably lied to them about that too.

Why doesn't anyone get upset about the kids from 18 kids and counting show being exposed to the public? Don't they get paid by TLC and don't they live in a huge home and get perks thrown their way too. No one seems to work in that family either. If the Gosselins can't be filmed anymore because it is cruel that the 18 kids should also be taken off the air.

Daisy, Acutally I watched 18 kids and counting a lot. They do work. They have an auto towing business and they rent out property that they own to companies for income. They built most of the house they live in and they seem from all acounts to be loving and concerned about their kids. The complete opposite of Jon and Kate. They seem to be able to manage a large family. At least they appear that way on the show.

I have to run.

"Jon & Kate: Lying liars who lie on national TV"...
I think you summed it up pretty well. Thank you Z for your continued vision and for using your voice when others in the media have taken a dive. Shame on all of them.

Z - RadarOnline is reporting that TLC will get whatever they have out of canned footage. and after that cancel the show. Can you verify?

Hi Mary Lou: I have not veified, but that is my sense as well given that Jon has shut them down. What can they shoot? Nothing. But I will try to find out more. I said yesterday, the end is asolutely near -- maybe here. Thanks. Z

Remeber, Kate and Jon own two houses they are paying morgages on right now. TLC did not buy their house. She also sent 8 kids to school recently and the groceries and household bills must add up with that many people living in the house. I would assume the money she has in other accounts are for the children.

She may have exzagerrated a bit with the only having $1000.00 left to pay bills. But she may have been thinking about the lack of new money coming in and the bills that will contunie to be due each month. kate and Jon have been living the high life and now they have no credible source of income left.

Not that that excuses either one of them. They should have had a second source of income and been smarter about how they spent their money. They couldnt possibly assume they would just do the show forever!

Plus the public accusations
against each other make them both look petty and immature.

Hello Heidi: Thanks for the comment. Z

kaye your a great mom just keep puching forward

This is really getting almost too absurd!

First of all, do we all really care about the highs and lows of one account? We have seen the evidence that in the past few months Jon and Kate have both bought fancy new cars, have new bling and designer clothes. Can we just stipulate that they are both blowing money?

Secondly, I read the court documents (posted by Radar Online) filed by Kate's lawyer last week and the account they are talking about is the "overflow" account for expenses like home maintenance, quarterly taxes, etc... It is a separate account than the bill-paying account where they were each required to deposit $7,500 monthly for expenses. So most, if not all, of those bills Kate told us were in her purse should have been paid out of the other account.

Lastly, do any of us really believe Kate only had $1,000 left and went public with the financial battle because she could not put food on the table for the children? And even if that were the case, doesn't that point to Kate as an extraordinarily bad money manager?

I think she expected to get in front of the judge early last week and then be able to go back on camera and tell us thank goodness that crisis was over because she hadn't been able to eat all weekend! But then the judge's wife died, the hearing was postponed and it was hard not to notice that she was still able to eat, talk on her cell phone, put gas in her car and stay spray-tanned and coifed.

Kate Gosselin and Mark Momjian must think we are really stupid...

Hi Suzi J: Thanks for the sharp analysis. Z

Kim -

Lying can be done is different ways. I consider misstating the truth, purposeful omissions of facts and manipulation of circumstances to garner sympathy for personal gain all to be forms of lying.

So, as far as I'm concerned, Kate's statement on national TV that she could not feed her children because she had just found out Jon had taken all but $1,000 of their liquid funds was a lie.

The expenses you list are almost entirely discretionary. If Kate does not have the liquid funds available to spend (as she obviously does not, even with the $180k returned), she should not be buying clothes at Wal-mart, Ann Taylor Loft or Neimann Marcus.

The only lifestyle one should be ashamed of living is one they can't afford, and it is quite clear that Kate Gosselin cannot afford her lifestyle.

Kim -

Lying can be done is different ways. I consider misstating the truth, purposeful omissions of facts and manipulation of circumstances to garner sympathy for personal gain all to be forms of lying.

So, as far as I'm concerned, Kate's statement on national TV that she could not feed her children because she had just found out Jon had taken all but $1,000 of their liquid funds was a lie.

The expenses you list are almost entirely discretionary. If Kate does not have the liquid funds available to spend (as she obviously does not, even with the $180k returned), she should not be buying clothes at Wal-mart, Ann Taylor Loft or Neimann Marcus.

The only lifestyle one should be ashamed of living is one they can't afford, and it is quite clear that Kate Gosselin cannot afford her lifestyle.

This couple makes Octomom look like Mother Teresa. Will it ever end? When all is said and done, the legal fees for this fiasco will cost more than these two sorry souls can ever earn, spend or lie about. Looks like the moral high ground that Kate talks about taking has crumbled under her feet and Jon wouldn't know morals or high ground if he had a tour guide. I say "off with their heads!" It's time for Reality TV close up shop.

z - I'm so confused about the money but I'm sure before all is said and done the arbitrator, lawyers, and judge will figure it out. I understood that TLC puts a lump sum amount of money into one of the family bank accounts ( I believe it's the corporate acct), and this money would technically be divided 10 ways and redistributed to each family member as salary for the episodes. If that's the case, how or where is Jon supposed to get his 10% share of the TLC salary if he doesn't have access to the remaining bank accounts? Or does he have access and just removed money from the wrong account. Am I missing something here?

I believe it will remain confused until we see some documents. Thanks. Z

Z - Sorry for posting the same thing twice!!!!

They were both good. Ha. Seriously, thanks for all the good commentary today. Z

Based on their court appearance yesterday, Jon and Kate may both be guilty of financial infidelity. Jon may be using family funds to finance his new romance. But Kate may be siphoning off money from their joint bank account in anticipation of their pending divorce. Not unusual for couples in their situation. For more on this see Jon and Kate go to Court Over Financial Infidelity Involving Family Funds at http://bit.ly/10gKPK , Are You Guilty of Financial Infidelity? – a Quiz at http://bit.ly/2ttty and When is Financial Infidelity a Sign of Sexual Infidelity? at http://bit.ly/hobAS Then judge for yourself whether or not Jon, Kate, or both of them have committed financial infidelity. Or is this just another play for the spotlight, which both Gosselins seem to dearly love?

Ruth,

The links were interesting. I had never thought about the relationship between the money issues and the infidelity issues. I guess they could go hand in hand. We have definitely seen both of these in Jon's case. It would be sad if Jon was using the money to support his affairs. It is rumored that Kate used the money for the kids, which would support the need for financial security theory. Anyway, thanks - it made me look at this in some different ways.

Z-Just curious, did you contact Kate's lawyer or did he contact you?

He called me. Thanks. Z

Hi Z - in your update you wondered if they lied to their kids, too. Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I think the biggest lie they could ever have told their children was that clownish marriage vow renewal where Kate told them they were doing it 'publicly' (what the ...?) to assure the children that mommy and daddy would be together forever. We all know that Jon and Kate both knew full well at that time that their marriage was on the skids and the only reason they were doing that episode was for the free trip to Hawaii and the season opening ratings. So if Kate and Jon can lie on that scale, you can bet the farm that they lied about other less important things, but still lies, nonetheless.

And have no doubt that when this ridiculous sideshow is over they will both have someone else pen their stories into books, as neither of them can put two words together by themselves. They won't be without money for long, because the public eats this stuff up like candy. What they should fear is when their kids grow up and write their own tell-all books.

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, I'm sick and didn't want to try to read the comments. Did read what you wrote. They said they had 11 accounts. They both have said that each child has an account...so there's 8. The rest? Jon 1 (guessing), Kate 1 (guessing), and then the one that is for the bills/food/whatever (the one that sent them to court).

But from what both of them have said about the main joint/bill/whatever account, I'm just left confused. And I really don't know why I know that information! lol

Robin, Kate picked out the dogs (another freebie, Kate named the dogs, Kate carried the dogs to the car. When the kids said "Thank you for the puppies mommy." Kate said you are not welcome. Kate deserves all the blame pointed to her. She is mean and selfish. Seems like people she grew up with can vouch for that.
I don't fall for Kates tears and sob stories. She has access to more money than she can spend.
I upheld Jon for a long time because I felt she drove him away - but he isn't acting too great either now.
I'm so tired of Kate's whining that she has to do all this alone. Poor thing. What happened to her extreme organizational skills?
Aunt Jodie has tried to tell us more is going on after the cameras quit rolling and no one seems to listen.
Jon despises Kate - who can blame him?
The "18 kids and counting" - the Duggars have rental property they take care of for income. They shop at discount stores and yard sales. And yep, they all get along like a loving family.

OH MY McDonalds...you have to be kidding why would she say that for anything but sympathy...hello she is an RN

I think that the way you treat your family and friends says a lot about your core values. Based on the shameful way Kate has treated her family (her parents, Kevin and Jody) and her friends (Beth Carson) it's obvious to me that she's a "user". She uses people up then dumps them when she no longer needs them. Her treatment of Jon also fits this profile. Once she had enough money to pay for the nannies and other helpers she no longer needed Jon. Now she whines about being lonely. How sad for the kids to grow up without close family and friends. In times of trouble it's our family and friends that sustain us.

Z.. Did you contact Mark Momjian or did he contact you? Just curious, and thanks.

He called me. Thanks. Z

How can you tell when Jon Gosselin is lieing? When he moves his lips.

You should have continued to ingnore writing an article on Jon and Kate. Your bias is overwhelming and irritating. As one of 13 children and a mother myself, I am ever surprised at the comments made on parenting and raising children. Judge much?

Well I know Jon has his issues, but like someone said it comes honestly. Jon was always the one to play and take care of the kids w/o freaking out about the small things. Kate on the other hand acted as if they should be seen and not heard. Kate was the one to lose it when they got dirty. Kate was the one always on the road, and not home with her children. When They moving into the new house and she was complaining about cleaning the refrigerator, and how long it took,it was all a sham so she would not have to spend time with the kids,b/c on the very next show she had recieved new applicances, and I don't doubt they were given to them, by the way she dropped the names of who made the washers, and driers. She is not broke by any means. I also think cps should get involved with her being alone with those kids, after all while not taping they are not making Kates living and she might take it out on these adorable children. If there are no cameras, no production crew, and even no Jon to watch out for the children I am afraid she will go off. This is the last comment and article I will read of these two. My vote is for Jon although he has screwed up plently he is not as sneaky and coniving as kate, and he does spend time with the kids.Kate however is always to busy with her books or shows or getting her nails, and hair done. She has a nannie, and probably now a cook. I HATE KATE!!!!

Well I know Jon has his issues, but like someone said it comes honestly. Jon was always the one to play and take care of the kids w/o freaking out about the small things. Kate on the other hand acted as if they should be seen and not heard. Kate was the one to lose it when they got dirty. Kate was the one always on the road, and not home with her children. When moving into the new house, and she was complaining about cleaning the refrigerator, and how long it took.It was all a sham so she would not have to spend time with the kids,b/c on the very next show she had recieved new applicances, and I don't doubt they were given to them, by the way she dropped the names of who made the washers, and driers. She is not broke by any means. I also think cps should get involved with her being alone with those kids, after all while not taping they are not making Kates living and she might take it out on these adorable children. If there are no cameras, no production crew, and even no Jon to watch out for the children I am afraid she will go off. This is the last comment and article I will read of these two. My vote is for Jon although he has screwed up plently he is not as sneaky and coniving as kate, and he does spend time with the kids.Kate however is always to busy with her books or shows or getting her nails, and hair done. She has a nannie, and probably now a cook. I HATE KATE!!!!

Ruth,

The links were interesting. I had never thought about the relationship between the money issues and the infidelity issues. I guess they could go hand in hand. We have definitely seen both of these in Jon's case. It would be sad if Jon was using the money to support his affairs. It is rumored that Kate used the money for the kids, which would support the need for financial security theory. Anyway, thanks - it made me look at this in some different ways.

Z, did you contact Kate's attorney, or did he contact you?

He called me. Thanks. Z

Ruth,
Why do people assume that Jon is 'financing his new romance' with Hailey? She comes from a 'well-to-do' family.

They are not implying that Kate just took 55,000 what Jon is doing is trying to say she has not shown proper accounting of how she spent it over a several month period of time if what I read was correct. But I mean Hello !!! If she has been paying bills she could have easily spent that there is no telling how much the house payment alone is !!!! To me Jon is acting like a child that got caught stealing candy " I did not do it"! "well I did do it, but so did Kate!" I mean come on!!! We all know how organized she is, She is not going to do ANYTHING that he can show proof of !!! He has been playing the blame game all along !!!!

Hi, Thanks. Very nice anology - "I did bad, but so did she." Z

Give me a break...cry me a river....dab your eyes with some Puff's Plus please!!

Reality shows have taught me one lesson. Anything that is not "LIVE" can be edited, cropped, skewed, voiced over, taken out by producers to tell a story any way they want.

I have taken a side in this. Kate Gosselin will not know a day of what a real single mom goes through.
Jon Gosselin will be put to the coals over all this but when it is said and done. 18 years from now...I will put up any bet that when looking back Jon will have spent more days taking care of these 8 children. Sorry! There is plenty of footage in the Figure 8 Production room to prove it.

And, finally if Kate is such a great organizer, money manager, & mom looking out for her kids...Why the heavy mortgages? Why the we only eat Organic Cheetos on the table? Why galavant around the country selling a book when your family is falling apart?

UGH!

@ Amy, actually this is a very very common occurence in any divorce. Both sides almost without exception are required to accouint for money spent from joint bank accounts. There's no fault in the actual spending but it's required in order to properly divide the assents and make sure no one is either spending all the money to avoid the splitting or taking all the money and declaring their destitute.

As an attorney who worked with a Judge in PA on a few divorce cases (as a clerk). I will caution that anything said by either attorney is mostly likely a distortion of the truth and as such should be taken with a hugh grain of salt. Divorce attorneys are notorious for misrepresenting the truth in their client's favor (even in front of a Judge). Honestly, I give Z a lot of credit here since unlike the actual news (AP, CNN, Baltimore Sun) he's not just repeating what Counsel says as the god's honest truth (which for some reason is typically Kate's attorney).

@ Z, just look at this CNN article:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/15/jon.kate.gosselin.divorce/index.html

It seems the media is still not calling Kate on her lie although they did back off on the desitute part.

I don't get it. Why is the author of this article focusing on the $55,000 Kate USED, as opposed to the money Jon Gosselin TOOK - money that was there to support his CHILDREN. The guy is a total looser. He just realized he was broke since he was no longer going to be getting a "Pay Check" from TLC who fired his dumb ass because he was shaming himeself, his children and the show. He says he is trying to "Restore Family Values", yet he's chasing after 21 yr old girls. He says he had an "Epiphany" that the show was bad for his kids, but it came to him only after he was fired from the show. This guy is such a Looser. He halts production of the show, but he's un-employed and has no means to support his children. There seems to be no limit to how low Jon Gosselin will stoop to.

I believe my post asks how "low" Jon will go, didn't it? Thanks. Z

I can't believe so many people devote this much time and energy to these two utter vacant attention whores.

The only way to kill this particular beast is to starve it of the attention it craves... TLC's ratings are bearing this out right now.

Thank you, Irene!!! Couldn't have said it better myself. I stopped watching this show season 2 because I was fed up with Kate and her constant sniping at Jon back then. Particularly her public outbursts at him and her "Look at me,I have to do everything by myself while my kids are cowering in the corner" attitude.

For all you Kate fans who think she's the best mother since Mother Teresa take a good long hard look at your saint.

Oh, and Z--sorry about my little outburst over Nancy Grace yesterday. Just can't understand why she's sticking her nose into all of this. I didn't know the Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings cases had both been solved. My bad.

Why do they need to live in a million dollar plus house? It is obvious they can't afford it. What was wrong with the house they lived in before they moved? Noting - that is what. If it was getting too crowded, why not add an addition on. These 2 are the most worhtless people I have ever seen. Poor kids. At least the dogs will have a better life now. Glad they took them back to the breeder.

Z, you didn't think it odd that Kate's lawyer contacted you?

Also if any of you viewed the pictures posted on Just Jared of Jon picking up the kids at the bus stop you can stop wondering what kind of father he is. The pure love and joy on those children's faces told me all I need to know about Jon as a father. Compare the picture of Mady talking to her father and holding his hand to the picture earlier in the week of Mady ignoring Kate and walking away from a hug.

Hi, I didn't think it odd, because he is Kate's advocate in the divorce and wanted to make the best case he could for her. Unfortunately, I think he is unable to answer most of my questions definitively without opening up such issues as how many accounts there are, or was Kate lying when she said she had only $1000 and purse full of bills on TV. I was diappointed that he did not send a statement as promised, but maybe he got tied up on other matters. I am glad he called, and hope to talk to him again. I will be calling him now that I have his contact information. Thanks. Z

I'm not sure why there is confusion about this money issue vis a vis Jon's withdrawals. He didn't lie about taking money out of the account. He said he did as much and even cited an amount, $177, 500 over the course of ten months. Why do people insist he was lying when he clearly has stated, "yes, I took out some of my earnings from the show". Why is Kate allowed to spend and allocate the money at will while Jon has to just deal with whatever she says about THEIR money? Remember, Kate had Jon on a strict "allowance" for most of their marriage. Who wouldn't want to break free of that and claim something for themselves?

Kate is another story. She has access and control over the other 90% of the money earned in the last season and lord knows how much more from the book (money unaccounted for) as well as the money earned from speaking engagements at which she was earning somewhere in the ballpark of $20-25,000 a pop!

If there are 11 bank accounts as Jon has stated, and each is FDIC insured for a maximum of $200,000 (used to be $100,000 up until last Fall) that would mean that if each were maxed out, you have a total of $2,750,000 that has not been accounted for by Kate versus Jon's own admission that he "took" $177,500! Where is the rest of the money anyway?

Not to mention, how did an account, that is only FDIC insured for up to $200,000 have $290,000 in it in the first place? I mean if Kate is such an astute handler of funds, so much so that multiple accounts were established to protect the money, how did $90,000 of uninsured funds end up in that account in the first place?

Kate is hiding money. She's shifty. Why did she require that the autographed photos they sold of themselves be paid for in CASH ONLY with no receipt given to the buyer? I think the next call to be made by someone should be the IRS to find out whether that money was accounted for, not that there is any way to prove it now. I don't trust her one bit and I don't blame Jon for wanting to secure some of the money for himself. He "worked" for it too.

J&k morons act as though they are the only ones that ever went through a painful divorce. Come on! And pain is ALL their children's as far as I can see.

Also wanted to add that a paparazzi video from a couple of days ago shows a photographer filming Kate coming out of the bank and the photog says, "I run into you a lot here. Are you financially responsible"? I do remember there being LOTS of pictures of her dropping by the bank in the late Spring before she filed for divorce. She seemed to be there every other day!

Someone should match up pap video and pic dates with withdrawals and see if Kate stopped by the bank those days or Jon did. Neither of them is taking $10,000+ out at the ATM in cash, so they are likely receiving either transfers to other accounts or cashier's checks to be deposited elsewhere. A forensic accountant should be on this issue looking for accounts opened by either of them at different banking institutions to see if there were deposits matching the withdrawal amounts.

I was flipping channels this morning and I watched a couple of old episodes of Jon and Kate + 8. The contrast between the old shows and the recent shows is very dramatic.

I saw the Valentine's day episode that focused on the family. Now the show is just about Kate. Rather than Jon being abducted by aliens, as Kate once mentioned a few months ago, I think Kate was the one who was abducted.
Kate's demeanor, attitude and looks have changed so much since the start of the show. Her narcissism has eclipsed her family. It makes me sad for this once happy family and the kids.

I don't think anyone should just to conclusions about what exactly happened in court. It seems that the amount Jon took out, minus what he is now required to return, is roughly 50k, in the ballpark of what Kate allegedly withdrew. Maybe the judge put them on an "allowance" or set a figure that they could withdraw without the other's approval at about that amount.

Jen I hear your anger. Let me tell you I am wrapped up so tight about this matter.

I am glad Kate's lawyer called Z. I think it is clear though not a lot was really answered. We must have blown Kate's organic teapot, you know though. :-) Great Blog Z.

What really matters here are we as viewers of this show going to keep Kate in business? Does she have a show on her own? Will people buy her poop...I mean books that she writes? Will they watch her in her future endeavors?
I have watched the show since day one. I got sucked right into look at this American Family. I think I have it bad with 8 kids different ages? Look they have 6 that are the same age. I sure hope not, because in my belief and what I have seen on Tv, read in magazines these two Bozo's are far from Organic, lovers of themselves, and are milking the public for all they can get~~ All the way to the bank with mortgages they cannot afford. Sorry Z, this is about as civil as I can get about this whole charade. I will love to read the future books the specialists write about this family.

It's not surprising that Kate's lawyer couldn't really answer the questions at the heart of the matter. Kate never answers questions that she can't give a self-serving answer to or that don't provide her with an opportunity to throw her children's father under the bus. I don't think she has ever answered a hard question. She just declines to comment or skirts around the issue.

One question about the money. If this is a joint account then couldn't Jon withdraw money from the account at any time. Or is there a stipulation since they are separate. They are not divorced yet, so what would be the problem from drawing money from a joint account?

They got rid of the dogs because there was no one there to take care of them. What are they going to do with the kids?
Seems like there aren't any parents there to take care of them!

Irene, excellent points. Also, as I watched the show this past Monday night, I was thinking, "Here are the kids in a shoe store that is closed the public and Miss Katie Irene has NO CONTROL over her very own children, the youngest of whom are 5.5 years old."

What is wrong with that picture?

If anything screams hands-off parenting, it's Kate.

Actions speak louder than words and her actions told me loud and clear: "I don't know how to handle my own children because I pay nannies to take care of them."

How anyone can defend either of them is beyond me. All of you defending either parent would clearly sell out your own kids as well. Despicable.

Found out about the joint account. Because there was a stipulation that neither Jon or Kate could withdraw large amounts of money from the joint account without the other ones approval. So Jon is in big trouble. Too bad this divorce is so nasty. I guess Jon did basically steal the money. Wow if I was in that situation of separation I would hope my husband would treat me better.

Sherry T. -

It being a joint account doesn't really matter in a divorce case. The court papers filed by Kate last week attached an an exhibit a copy of the interim arbitration agreement setting forth how the money could be used until the final asset division. It clearly stated that the account in question was to be used for children/household expenses exceeding the monthly contribution by both parents and that Kate was to be in charge of the payment of bills but that any funds used by this account had to be agreed upon by both parties. Of course we now know that after agreeing to this arrangement, Kate took $100,000 (as she said on the Today show), Jon took $180,000 and Kate took/spent $55,000 without prior approval. These two are really something. It's a less amusing version of dumb and dumber!

Z - For some reason it makes me laugh out loud thinking that there's now a legal bill in "Gosselin v. Gosselin" that reads: ".4: Conf. w/ D. Zurawik re: convincing American viewing public that K. Gosselin's children remain her number one priority." :)

Hi Suzy: You are so good on documents, I am wondering if you really did find such a document. You are kidding, right? Either way, it makes me smile, too. Thanks so much. Z

Sounds like another KATE HATER wrote this. IF KATE TOOK ANYTHING, IT WAS FOR THE HOUSEHOLD AND THE KIDS. Jon lied about the money he took. All Jon does is LIE.

Z - No, no, I was just kidding! But if the attorney bills ever get submitted for court approval I might just try to find them... :)

Thanks so much Suzi J. - I thought you might know the answer to that. I found an article that said also that they were not supposed to withdraw large amounts without each others knowledge. BUT you answer was better. It made me smile too!!! Thanks again!! - Sherry Tellitocci

Sherry, Suzi, FreetheGosselin8(just love that name), marie, Z, and all I just love this blog!

Your comments, concerns, and blog make me truly believe there are still people in this world that use their common sense. ;-)

I just left a church with 60 pumpkins for my sons daycare. We are doing a pumpkin patch on the playground. My poor husband says some days he wishes I never saw Jon & Kate Plus 8. That was my favorite episode. That little Collin or Aaden lost in that maze and trying to line all them kids up for a picture. Too bad for the parents that they let all this go to their heads. Too bad....

On another blog there is a discussion going about the fact that it appears Kate has had breast enhancement surgery in the past year (if not again more recently). The before and after pictures are staggering. Pictures of her in her fake Hawaii wedding dress, she's fairly flat chested; pictures last week in a tight blue top - much larger. Is one of those bills in her purse she can't pay to a plastic surgeon?!

Bonnie said it the best on 10-14..I have also watched from the beginning. Yes, Kate has done some yelling that she should have kept private. But, look at him now. No wonder she lost her patience so many times. The Real Him came out. Now we all know what he was really like. And, at least she has kept from bad mouthing him on any interviews. Not him!! He is so childish. He does this to impress his girlfirend that is not worth a darn. It is ok. All this will come to haunt him. She will come out shining.

Such venom about two people we don't really know. I'm guilty of it myself.

Hopefully now that the show is over we can sit back and realize it was much ado about nothing.

Kate's lawyer won't get back to you, Z, or he/she won't answer your questions. Anyone can watch this show and see how much the parents exagerate and omit and present a false picture of their lives. They hid the help, they hid the perks and they had the audacity to ask church members for cash, I hope all will be revealed one day.

LIES please allow me the pleasure of addressing such a comment.

1ST of all me, myself, Irene, was a viewer of a TLC show named Jon & Kate Plus 8. Now that all the horses are started to come out of the barn...I can tell you honestly I do not hate Kate...I hate what this family stands for...cuz it sure isnt "for the sake of my children"

Both of them have lied, both of them have put money before their kids, and both of them are making a freak show out of this whole situation.

Sorry LIES, but all those spa trips sure aren't for the kids...sorry sorry sorry that is about as civil as I can get.

btw -

Have you seen the episode where Kate gets the free tummy tuck by the now-famous Dr. Glassman?

During her consultation, she asks him for a breast lift/enhancement as well. He tells her no and she looks pretty steamed.

I don't have any problems with cosmetic surgery and after a few pregnancies/nursing I might even call it "reconstructive" in nature. :) I just thought it funny that Kate tried to get them for free...

$55,000 over one year period(or close to it)to pay bills for private schooling for EIGHT, plus mortgage, taxes, insurances and day to day expenses! Good grief where are you people from....that money sure went a long way to pay all those bills! $55,000 may be enough for a family of four that live a NORMAL lifestyle but really it had to be swallowed up by their bigger- than -all- of -our -BILLS!
And all you "Pity the Dogs" fans - Jon NEVER should have insisted they get two dogs that NEED alot more attention than a smaller breed. Especially when the NANNY cannot keep up with kids...she did not need to be worrying about where the dogs were crapping too! JON wanted those pets and talked his WIFE into getting them for the KIDS. He cannot handle cleaning up after himself let alone the kids and DOGS. When he decided to move to a posh apartment in NYC, he essentially gave the dogs away. So give the Kate side a point on this. 8 kids......is enough without adding two innocent animals to the mix. Besides, she ihas stated its only temporary until they get this spousal living arrangement under control.

Edited for potentially racially offensive material. Z

LIES, you say that Jon lied.....about what? He said he took the money out because he had earned it and felt he was entitled to a paycheck.

The only one we can confirm has lied here is Kate because she said she could not pay for food for her kids. Yet she's off at Dunkin Doughnuts getting her morning coffee in the drive thru.....

Kate is a compulsive and PROVEN liar. Jon acknowledged that over the course of ten months he removed $177,500 from the account. Where is the lie?

Suzi J blogger of the day.

Best sentence of yesterday: Z "Isnt Nancy Grace just the cherry atop this madness."

And, there is more mud aslinging today in the tabloids. Have a great evening ya'll1

I honestly think that we all have been duped by both of them. At this time neither one is capable of telling the truth. It will all come out in black and white and I don't think either parent had a clue what money they were going to have to account for. Also, if the judge decides to make the divorce public- they both will be toast. He would probably do that to STOP all of the "he said she said" that been going on forever!

Anyone who disagrees that Kate Gosselin is a habitual liar lives in the same lalaland that she does. Its actually funny to watch her step all over what she has previously stated. I get a kick out of how actually dumb she is.

We can only wonder what sort of young people and adults these children will become. Living with Kate right now must be a horrendous thing. I really do believe the "source" who said even when she is home, she is not the caregiver, that 95 percent of the care is given by the (not a ) Nanny. Apparently, she can't "cope". Boooo hooooooo.

This mother wanted the little girls to have long, longer and longest hair. Well, Mom, if little girls have long hair, it needs to be tended. Anytime we see these little girls, their hair is in their face, mouths and looks like they just got up from bed. Actually, the only time their hair was fixed was when they were away "on vacation" and the nanny fixed it. The big haircut episode last season, Hannah wanted a haircut, she wanted SHORT hair. But, noooo... Mommy said NO, she needed one of the tups with long long hair. These kids have no decision making skills, they are like robots with that woman.

Monday episode, she told all the kids they could "finally" pick out their own shoes. But, then, she points out the ones she PRE-chooses. Because, as we all know.. NO SHOELACES will be in the house!

The other day there was a picture of one of the little boys (not sure which one) sitting on the step near pumpkins. I think that picture should be brought into the courtroom to show the judge. Plus, every TLC exec should be forced to have that picture framed on his/her desk. I hope you all saw that picture, that child had such a naturally sad expression, almost showing us inside his sad little heart.

So, to all the Kate supporters (and no, I am not a JON supporter), take a look at that picture. Take a look at the picture of Mady at the bus stop, wanting to be anywhere but near her mother. You all think this is a great mother? I just don't get your logic. Please, make me understand.

Meems -

First of all one of my dogs is a golden retriever mix and I am deeply offended by your use of the word "mongrel." We prefer "all-American."

But seriously, I find it incredibly disheartening that in the year 2009 someone would actually post such a racist comment on an entertainment blog.

Please, pay attention to the facts. In August of this year, Jon & Kate were each ordered to contribute $7,500 a month ($15,000 total) to an account to pay for the household expenses including education expenses for the children. The account at issue is a separate account that is to only be used as a back-up fund for larger expenses such as home maintenance, quarterly taxes, etc... Whatever the expense, however, it must be approved before being withdrawn or otherwise spent by either Gosselin.

The court documents filed by KATE's attorney containing all of this information were released to the media and are currently posted on multiple sites including RadarOnline and Inside Edition.

Hi Suzi: I can't find the comment to which you are referring. Maybe I am missing something, but if there is a comment up that is offensive to any group, seriously, help direct me to it, and I will take it down. I am careful about that, but maybe one slipped through. UPDATE: I found it, and edited it out. Thanks. Z

" I am glad he called, and hope to talk to him again. I will be calling him now that I have his contact information. Thanks. Z"
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Can't wait for the second interview. You must have ruffled some feathers, huh? Great job, Z...

Meems...

In regard to returning the dogs, you typed: "Besides, she has stated its only temporary until they get this spousal living arrangement under control."

How about you mark today's date and hold your breath until that statement by kate comes to fruition. That comment she made was damage control after the media was screaming about her being the cause of the dog's banishment.

She is fed the lies by her handlers, she is told what to say and when. Meems (and other gullibles), don't you see the pattern of how she does about-faces after the fact? How do you account for her behavior in the first 4 seasons and the total different person we are seeing now? The ones, like me, who have watched this show since the beginning saw this woman's personaltiy. If you don't think the "new and improved" Kate is a huge lie, then I don't know what else to tell you.

How does she sit on national TV and say she can't pay her bills? How does she say they bought the house "for the kids"? How does she say Mady asked to go to San Diego for a spa vacation? How does she say, when asked about her family (parents, siblings) that "they don't know how to help us". What is all that about?

This woman and her husband are ingrates. In a perfect world, they never would have been able to procreate to the extent that they have. They can't see past their own selfish wants to see 8 beautiful children who are desperate for parenting and attention.

To me.. having 8 children and not doing the best for them is a huge LIE. Its a LIE that you are a parent. In that house, there are 8 children and 2 adults (at different times). This is not a family, its a bunch of people coming and going.

Marie ~ I think this is that picture. Sorry but I didn't save the source.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2d9b6yq.jpg

It seems whenever I read a heated debate regarding Jon & Kate, a Kate loyalist always throws out a random racial slur on Jon.

It makes me think...given that Kate has eight children of partial Korean descent, why would she appreciate that kind of "support"?

It then makes me think... TLC, meet your target demographic...

Z- just to be clear - I find it discouraging that someone would submit an offensive comment-I certainly wasn't suggesting you did anything offensive!!!

Hi Suzi: Oh no, I didn't think that at all. And I agree with you, I was distressed when I saw the remark. So, I am just glad you alerted me to it. Thanks. Z

why dont u worry about your own lives...

Dee
PA is NOT paying the kids tuition.
At the tup's 1st birthday the (I believe it was) LT governor announced college accounts were opened up in the tup's name. People could send money to those accounts to help out. It was never implied that PA gave the children free tuition.

Meems - JMO but I think they gave the dogs back because there was a commotion about a video of one of the sextuplets smacking one of the dogs with a plastic baseball bat. I think what probably happened was the humane society was called in and they (the Gosselin pinhead parents) were told they to return them to the breeder or they would take them. That's my theory and I have no proof. Jon blamed Kate and Kate never liked them so it didn't matter to her I'm sure. Point is, the dog cowered and ran away with its tail between its legs. It might not appear to be a big deal to simpletons but it matters. By five years of age those kids should have been taught among other important things to never hit a dog - period end of story. I saw an earlier video on youtube where one of the boys smacked one of the puppies when it was much younger and I cringed then with a gut feeling that that went on more often than just what we saw on tape. If those dogs turned on any of the kids and bit them, they would have to be put down at no fault of their own. You bet your *** I pity the dogs. Jon and Kate are both to blame. Neither one of those bonehead parents get any points from me.

Chrysee, You are right, the kid hitting the dog with a bat does matter. It is troubling, and I glad at least that the dogs won't be subject to that -- and I blame the parents not the kid. He doesn't know any better unless the parent tells him. I'm getting mad all over again at those two self-absorbed fools. Z

Don't worry be happy!

Yes, self-absorbed fools!

I do too Z. I know you and I and thousands - probably millions - of others are hoping they find a good home - together if at all possible. They deserve it.

Anonymous.. I DO worry about my own life.

I do NOT worry about the Gosselins' lives.

I actually LAUGH at the Gosselins' lives.

If these 2 morons had a reality show without children, I don't think any of us on this blog would be here at all. And, I doubt Z would have such strong feelings about them either. Toss in 2 innocent dogs to this mix and THAT is why we voice our opinions. NOT worry, but opinions and yes, derision.

Our typed words probably will not actually help those children directly, as far as I know. OR, maybe Jon and his handlers have read all the blogs about the exploitation of the kids and a lightbulb went off. Who knows? But, maybe our words will serve as a detriment to any other TV stations that want to exploit children to rack up ratings and money.

and.. Xsandlapper.. YES, that is the picture. I think its heartbreaking. This time of year, when kids are excited about Halloween, that little boy sitting there in his own thoughts.. heartbreaking. Thanks for the link.

this is the best show ever

I didn't know she sent the dogs back and I felt bad for her until now. What a mean and nasty thing to do to her kids! Like having their father walk out on all of them like that and dealing with the messy divorce between their parents wasn't bad enough. And what will happen to the poor dogs who are attached to those kids? They'll probably be split up in addition to having to adjust to new homes!

What a selfish, horrible woman.

I looks like it's time for and IRS Audit on the Gosselin's income. If Kate was the one that kept the books and suddenly she does not know where it went, there is definately an IRS audit. They are both are hidding money and income and have probably never declared it. I have a strange feeling the trust fund is also never declared and needs to be audited to see if they are paying the same fair share of taxes.

I'm willing to bet that Kate returned the dogs to the breeder because she had to. I mean, when you purchase a dog from a breeder, the contract usually states that if for any reason you are unable to keep the dog(s), they must be returned to the breeder. I'm far from a Kate supporter, and I'm not a Jon supporter either, however, I'm certain that is why Kate returned the dogs to the breeder rather than finding them a home. The breeder I purchased my dog from told me he always wants to know where his dogs are and that they're safe. Sounds to me like Kate did the responsible thing if she didn't want to take care of the dogs anymore. If you ask me, we all need to say a prayer for these poor children. They didn't ask for this situation, but they're certainly in it. The best thing for these kids would be the end of Jon & Kate Plus 8, the never starting of Kate Plus 8 and a couple of years for the media to forget about them. Let these children have normal lives now, if at all possible.

I find it very interesting that Katezilla's lawyer reached out to a TV critic? Why? Too many sensible minded people seeing through the lies and BS and the public is turning on her too since she and TLC "tried" to manipulate the public into their corner?

So Katezilla, TLC and their minions come to these blogs where they are criticized, here is my advise to you phonies: Poop is poop no matter how you try to cover it with fancy paint or decorations or expensive perfume. Still looks like poop and smells like poop because it is just poop.

Keep at them, Mr. Z

Kate is one of those "Martyr" type personalities. Can't stomach it. She constantly undermined, belittled, and humiliated Jon while the cameras were on. She works hard to present a "Look how great I am... " image to the public, but she spends a lot of time finagling how to unload the kids on others, and how many times did we hear her bellow "Jon! Jon!" while she busied herself making waffles, one at a time. OMG she is a B/W itch.
Ok, Jon is no champ either right now, but hey, when you let an animal off a short leash, it's gonna run wild for awhile!

I personally think Kate is getting the raw end of the deal here. It's obvious the kids are well taken care of and well balanced. I only wish my kids had been that well behaved!!!

Kate was willing to work. It's also obvious the kids loved being a part of the show too. It's so unfair to blame all this on Kate when Jon was the one who cheated, and has partied himself silly since their separation. Damned good thing his new girlfriend is so young, now he will be at his intellecual level (Hopefully).

He deserves everything he gets and shame on him for taking the families income away. I hope he's as talented as he thinks he is to keep those kids living in the lifestyle they are accustomed to.

Now, we'll see what kind of a dad he really is. He's about as smart as my big toe and has about the same amount of class!!

He should have been man enough to get the divorce, or at least ask for it before he publicly rubbed Kates face into it!!! So, I say, Go For All You Can Get Kate!!! You and the kids deserve it!!!!!@

Kate and Jon need to be off the air for good. I hope so much that Kate will not succeed in a talk show or any other kind of reality show. They have both taken advantage of the public's hearts and let everyone down! They are greedy (especially Kate), selfish, and do not love their kids as they espouse, or they would be nurturing them instead of publicly providing a record of hate between them.
They are the worst parents ever!!!

Please. They are both lying. I can't quite figure out which statements are false with Kate, but things aren't making sense. If it doesn't make sense, it's more than likely a lie.

With John. I see the eyes of my cheating husband who lied to me for years until he ended up hitting the wall. No matter what someone says about him, he says "No I didn't". He justifies and minimizes.

He's lying. Is it too late to save the new girlfriend from him? Poor kid. She's walking into a life of hell.

Z, you are the only journalist brave enough to call these two out for the liars they are. The Reading Eagle newspaper also did a good job of reporting on how they sold out these kids quite eagerly when they were asking for cash and donations and their bills paid, and how quickly they were no longer speaking to the reporters when they started asking why these two could afford a $300,000 house and wouldn't take out a line of credit to get by like other families in their position might have to do. Then it was reported that Jon's father gave them $100,000 and Kate reported said that money was theirs to save, it was society's obligation to support their kids. She has certainly acted that way, asking churches to donate cash, falsely taking credit for writing Multiple Blessings - never heard any of the shows announce her as the co-author when they had her own. I think they are both selfish, greedy, immoral people.

For anybody who is interested in the ratings for this week's show:

"Last week's Monday 9 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. episodes averaged just 1.28 million viewers, according to Nielsen, barely a tenth of the 10.6 million who tuned in for the episode in June where the couple announced their separation."

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/Cable_20/The_word_No_more_Jon_Kate.asp

Jon and Kate the story that is just not about the 8ight.

I think this is a clear situation where the adults act like kids...and that is my story for this Friday 10/16/2009 and I am sticking to it!

It sounds to me like Jon and Kate Plus 8 is over with but Kate plus 8 may still be a go if TLC can get Jon to accept money to allow his children to be filmed. Who knows what Jon will do. He may just take them up on it because I don't see him making money any other way.

See I knew it Z. Tlc is not going to stop this insanity.
This is what happens when you make a deal with the devil and get involved over your head.

Ya'll we are going to go on the 18th ride on the same rollercoaster. Tlc is reportedly...I will let Z get the facts and get this out to us.

I can't wait for the episode where Kate tries to send all 8 children back to the breeder and discovers,"gasp" that she is the breeder!
Could this show get any sillier?

These people are evil!!!! PLEASE MAKE JON AND KATE GO AWAY!!! The people of America should shoot TLC for allowing ugly people on TV.

Someone who knows how to email Jon because I do not know how:
He can use the services of a forensic accountant to find out about Kate's money that she could and probably is hiding. Look on Wikipedia for the definition of forensic accountant. People can use their services in divorce cases, I believe, to learn the truth about hidden finances.

All these people, including Jon Gosselin, talking about "hiding" money and how much they've earned like it's all still sitting there are delusional. When Jon says the money he withdrew was his "salary" for his years on the show, I want to scream. If you earned $75,000 last year, that doesn't mean you have $75,000 today. Life isn't free. He lived in the house, he drove the car, he ate the food, used the electricity, made purchases, etc. A great deal of that money "he earned" is, I'm sure, gone. He's not "owed" a flat percentage of all the money they HAD, just money they HAVE.

These people have been living like celebrities on what, in the end, is a very generous, but not lavish income. They may be millionaires (on paper anyway), but I'm betting they're still living way, way above their means. (An idea proved out by each, based on these recent court documents, going through 100k+ in mere months.)

I'd be shocked if their liquid assists are even close to $1,000,000, even with TLC footing a large portion of the tab for many of the luxuries they've enjoyed in the past. Just the extensive staff (a huge $$$ suck) and private school for eight children alone equals big bills.

I would venture to guess, that, in the end, the only ones with any real "payout" coming will be the lawyers which will, of course, prompt these two ninnies (neither of whom are likely to ever have a "real" job again), to once again sell their souls (and their children) for cash--likely lesser and lesser amounts, at ever greater cost to their family's personal dignity, assuming they have any left, as time goes on.

And as for Jon Gosselin having an "epiphany" to keep his kids off TV. While I agree it's the best thing (should have been done the INSTANT these parents considered their marriage being over, if not before), anyone who buys that he's doing it out of anything but self interest is a fool. TLC didn't bend to his demands, so he decided to take his ball (or, in this case, his kids) and not play anymore. If he could, I have zero doubts he'd sell his kids to the highest bidder in a heartbeat. (And, in fact, there have been credible reports he tried to do just that within the past week with Entertainment Tonight.)

At this point, it seems the best we can hope is that the kids still have some stories their parents haven't already sold so they can write their own tell-alls when they turn 18. That's likely the only way they'll finally get their "paychecks" for their years on TV.

Kate , said , when they got the dogs, that she didnt want them, john was , the one that wanted the dogs, why didnt he take them when he moved to New york, he wanted the dogs, but not the responsibility of them. The same thing happened to me, my xhusband, wanted a dog, I didnt, he got one anyway, I was the one that ended up taking care of it, and when we got the divorce, he left the dog too. I had to find a home for it. that was hard for me. John was his name too. Johns are bad news, I have had two of them I know.

To all of you people who love to bash Kate....are you serious!!!! What the heck is wrong with all of you? All I read is how Kate treated Jon so bad during their marriage...well just so you people know they only show you what they think will make people interested in the show on air. I'm sure they didn't always fight and as far as her treating him bad come on I have watched many episodes where he was just as cruel and eye rolling and what have you to her as well but of course because she is tough and can take up for herself we have to pity Jon...well fooey to that!!!! Do you people have any clue how hard it would be to take care of 8 small children??? Shame on all of you women for bashing her as women we are supposed to have each others back in this mans world. No she's not perfect but I don't see her flaunting men around and off drinking and smoking and partying like he is (typical) so all I can say is what the heck is wrong with you people? When people stand up for Jon it just shows me truly how demented and warped our society really is. Give me a break!!!!! Poor Jon...give me a break already!!! So what if she goes off and takes some trips and gets away sometimes...wouldn't you people want to do the same if you had that much responsibilty??? Of course you would you just have no idea you can only speculate. She does such a wonderful job with those children that her getaways are probably just what she needs to come back refreshed and ready for more. It has been said in many articles that every parent needs to take a break and recoup once in awhile and with all of her responsibilty I don't blame her. Go back and really watch the show again and pay attention to how HE treats her as well...he said some not so nice things to her as well people. Keep up the good work Kate some of us out here are not BLIND!!!!!

In my opinion the two of them have had more then an equal share of lies and fault in this disgraceful display. I cannot believe how quickly a seemingly loving family grew into the most arrogant distasteful parents in the world, they both need to shut-up already, especially Jon, he is disgusting and someday may find that all 8 of his children will want nothing to do with him. I feel for the children, they are the real losers in all of this, Jon has no means of support, so how in the world does he plan to contribute. Kate seems to be the one with more common sense and able to hold her own, I'm sure the hurt will subside and she will come out all the more stronger. I believe she is trying to protect the children's interest and is doing what she should, she is not the one living wild and crazy.

Think Jon and Kate both need to shut-up and do what is right for their eight children.Jon need a reality check and take that smirky look off. He is the most arrogant man, we all would like to know how he thinks he can support eight children and live the highlife. Kate at least shows some common sense and seems to be looking out for the interest of the children. The real losers will be the children, they will grow-up and want to shed memories, you both said they needed so badly, you sold out to a tv program. Sad for them, can you see the change in all of them lately. The more they got,the more you two "parents" took away. Trips, toys and material things don't mean much when there is so much discord in their lives. Jon, grow up, get a real job, shut your mouth and lose that sleazy lawyer. Kate, do the right thing and get some mental help for you and the children.

Oh please, I am going to need some of my Uncle's fishing weighters soon. This is getting beyond foolish.

TLC has ruined a family & the contract speaks volumes for how they accomplished it. Let it all out TLC, ruin the dad, all for a buck.

thank the show off .they both or lier it all about the money ...

I don't know who took what or who stole what. What I do know is that cars cost money. Both of them bought new ones. And fake boobs, fake nails and fake tans ain't cheap. Don't forget all the freebies they got that most of the rest of us would have to pay for. Wonder if that was reported to the IRS as income?

Zurawik - Jon pulled out 230k, and Kate pulled out 55k. And Kate can do that, but only for bills. The judge ruled to hold $55k of the 230k, and Kate must prove her part was used for approved purposes..

Dear brainiac: Your math is wrong, according to what Kate Gosselin's lawyer told me. His matrh is in the this post. Please read it carefully. Z

Brainiac,
According to the figures that Kate's lawyer gave Z, there would have been about $5000 dollars left in the account so Kate saying that she was broke and only had $1000 dollars left must not have been right in the first place. The most confusing part of this whole thing are the amounts, they don't add-up. I think both Jon and Kate need to buy a calculator.

Yes, Sherry T...blogger of the day...they both need to buy a calculator, get over themselves, and do the right thing for their kids. Because the are not TLC's children.

I hope TLC is held to the fire over all this. I hope the litigation costs them a bundle and they choke on every dime they are wasting...i mean spending.

Please remember bloggers the Brainiacs of the world probably haven't watched near the episodes needed to form opinions they probably rely on Radaronline for their version of the truth.

THANKS, Irene. Really you, and Suzi, and Marie, and FreeTheGosselin8, and Lauren, and all of the other smart people on this site are the blogger's who win BOTD. You ALL keep me up-to-date on the issues of the day in this saga. And Z, with his great articles who is not afraid to point out the problems with this "reality show". I have never seen anything like it really. Thank goodness people care about the kids.

This whole thing is way out there! Jon is a selfish pig. Kate at least has some common sense and is not sleeping around with every stud that may cross her path. Can you imagine what the children will think years from now when they read up on this crud? I wonder how they are being sheltered from all of this in school. Kids can be mean. The kids must see some of the rags in the supermarkets at the checkout with their parents' pictures plastered on them. I really feel for the kids. They are really the ones that will suffer. Kate -- even if you are one controlling b*tch according to Jon, your soon-to-be ex is a sex-crazed worthless loser. You will be better off getting rid of him. Forget about putting your kids on television and give them some normalcy by getting a real job, and support them without putting them out in the public eye. Enough is enough already.

No Liuani Kate is only in bed with TLC.

Thanks though for stating the kids should be off TV. That is the only consolation I have in this whole mess...That TLC is gonna find out that children real children are not a commodity to be sold to the highest bidder. No matter what control TLC has these are not their children. I would pay top $$$ for seats at a trial for a judge to tell TLC that.

Well, let's just hope there's enough money socked away for the 8 children to attend therapy when they get older.

Irene, You mentioned that John stayed home with the kids the last 2 years while Kate was off on her book signings and such. My question was, who stayed home with the kids the first couple years of their life....not Jon. So why critisize Kate for something when Jon did the same thing? There are always two sides to the story and unfortunately it is hard to find the truth to this one. During this entire divorce, Jon has been parading his girlfriends around the world, and where are his kids. And why would you get an apartment in NY when you have kids in Pennsylvania. Tell me that is not irresponsible of him. He is going through a mid life crisis and will eventually regret what he has done to his family; the lying, infidelity and not being around for his kids. It is the kids who are suffering.

Jessica I really do understand where you are coming from with your post. Jon Gosselin's behavior has been beyond beyond. And, yes Kate did risk her life & stayed home with the Precious 8 for awhile.

However, the lesson I learned about TLC & Reality television is that they held all the power over the Gosselins. They edited,skewed, manipulated the REALEST REAL REALITY SHOW. They call the shots. Now, they have a mom named Kate who is all ate up by her own Publicity, a dad named Jon who is cutting off his nose despite his face, a corporation named TLC that thinks their contract can supersede a parent's right to make decisions for his/her own blood children and finally 8 kids that never got to express their voice in all this. The kids never had a choice.

What is ironic is the Gosselin's Without Pity site exposed and peeled the skin off the lies all the while.

We agree on one thing Jessica, the kids are the ones to suffer the most. I truly feel pain in my heart for all 8ight of them. Even if TLC wins and gets to film the Gosselin children in the future, who could really watch their show. It was never and will never be a documentary that reflects the real lives of this family. It is basically the equivalent to an infomercial about GIMME, GIMME, GIMME.

It shocks me that so many people are so easily brainwashed. If anyone on here is defending Kate after seeing every episode of that show then you must be a mean spirited ungrateful b****ch just like her. She was not short tempered because of the stress of raising kids she belittled him sitting next to him in a chair when the kids were sleeping so who exactly was stressing her out. It's also pretty funny that she got meaner when she had a bunch of nanies taking care of her kids and did everyone forget that for at least a year Jon was the one home with them for 90% of the time.
After Kate made her rounds several times over on every talk show she could possibly be on crying and whining and telling people Jon had left her (which is obviously a lie) he finally says something and now he's a fame whore. Are you people f***ing kidding me. But I guess man hater will hate hate any man no matter what the truth is. Just please stop writing your ridiculous uneducated comments on here when you people obviously don't even know anything abouty there story. Or maybe you do and you just think it's acceptable to treat people like crap and in that case you all need to go to you children and husbands and apologize for the way you have treated them. I don't know what world you live in but that is not ok and thats how children learn to bully other children by seeing they're parents do it.

That Kate Gosselin is just trailor trash, she is a money whore that no man wants-even Jon, and-the children will trash her later more than likely. No one will watch her on anything anymore, she is done and so are the children, TLC lost big time viewers, but they all deserve it for making the children work for them to earn a pay check for themselves and for Kate to have more time with Steve the bodyguard, yea-like she did not do him. I would think she did and Steve's wife is just playing along, they are all stupid. All just my opinion but that it is!