Three cheers to CNN, Soledad O'Brien and the producers of the cable channel's Black in America 2 series for Wednesday night's "kickoff" interview with Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates.
If there was anyone who doubted whether or not CNN's Black in America series was really wired into the nation's discussion about race, they couldn't help but believe it truly was after seeing O'Brien's skilled interview with Gates. The interview preceded CNN's coverage of President Barack Obama's prime-time press conference, and by the time the president started talking about Gates' controversial arrest at his home in Cambridge, CNN viewers had to realize they knew more than the president thanks to O'Brien's interview.
Timely, focused and clear-headed, the interview was the first opportunity I had to hear Gates' account of events, and as I said in my preview of Black in American 2 Wednesday, I got up from the TV more informed about race than I was when I turned it on.
Here is part of the transcript of the interview between O'Brien and Gates in which he recounts how officers from the Cambridge Police Department arrested him even after he showed the idenitification proving he was in his own home -- and was not an intruder.
On a personal level, I wish this had not happened to Professor Gates. But it did, and what a wise and illuminating choice the producers at CNN made in using it to launch their second year of Black in America.
Radio personality Tom Joyner was also on the Times Square set with O'Brien and Gates, because of the role Gates played in his search for identity and the huge role Joyner plays in American life with his morning radio show.
Here's part of the interview:
SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, HOST: And welcome to New York City's Times Square,
everybody. As you can see, we're in front of a live audience literally
smack-dab in the middle of Times Square. We have brought together this
evening some of the most influential radio talk show hosts in the country.
And in turn, we have asked them to invite the most influential people
who brought them to a life-changing moment of truth, is what we're
calling it. It is just the beginning of a momentous night right here on
CNN.
We're premiering CNN PRESENTS: "Black in America 2," which is a look at
the most challenging issues facing African-Americans, and also the
solutions to those issues. Of course we're counting down to President
Obama's prime time news conference. We could not have picked a more
timely night to begin our discussion.
But here to get us started is Tom Joyner, his nationally syndicated --
welcome, syndicated radio program, "The Tom Joyner Morning Show," of
course, heard by millions of folks every day.
Now the past few days, one story has really dominated the conversation
on his program. Take a listen to a little bit of what they were talking
about.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TOM JOYNER, HOST, "THE TOM JOYNER MORNING SHOW": So, the professor of
African-American studies at Harvard University was arrested because a
neighbor…
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really truly arrested?
JOYNER: Arrested.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Handcuffed.
JOYNER: The Cambridge police came to the door and said, identify
yourself. And he said, why? Because I'm a black man in America?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'BRIEN: The man they're talking about also happens to be the most
influential person in Tom Joyner's life. So please welcome in his first
TV appearance since the arrest, Professor Henry Louis Gates joining us.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
O'BRIEN: Tom and Professor Gates, nice to have you both.
HENRY LOUIS GATES JR., ALPHONSE FLETCHER UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR, HARVARD
UNIVERSITY: Thanks, Soledad.
O'BRIEN: You sort of had your own moment of truth over recent days. So
I'd like to start with that. We know that you were on a lengthy trip to
China and you were returning home. What exactly happened?
GATES: Well, I was filming my new documentary series for PBS called
"Faces of Americans," it's about immigration. And we were filming Yo-Yo
Ma's ancestral cemetery for a week in China. It was fantastic. And my
daughter and I -- I took my daughter along. And we had just flown back
from China.
I came from New York to Boston. And my driver picked me up. We got to my
house in Harvard Square and the door was jammed. The door wouldn't open.
And to make a long story short, I asked my driver just sort of to push
the door through. I gave him his tip, he left.
I called Harvard Real Estate, which does the maintenance on my house
because they own the house. And while I was on the phone, a Cambridge
policeman showed up on my porch. I walked with the phone still active to
my porch and he demanded that I step out of my house on to the porch.
That's all he said. He said, I would like to you step outside. I said,
absolutely not. I said, why are you here? He said, I'm investigating a
breaking and entering charge. I said, this is my house, I'm a Harvard
professor, I live here.
He said, can you prove it? I said, just a minute. I turned my back. I
walked into the kitchen to get my Harvard ID and my Massachusetts
driver's license. He followed me without my permission. I gave him the
two IDs and I demanded to know his name and his badge number.
O'BRIEN: And when you demanded that, what did he say?
GATES: He wouldn't say anything. He was just very upset. He was trying
to figure out who I was. He was looking at the ID. He didn't say
anything. And I said, why are you not responding to me? Are you not
responding to me because you're a white police officer and I'm a black man?
He turned, walked out -- turned his back on me, walked out. I followed
him on to my porch. It looked like a police convention, there were so
many policemen outside. I stepped out on my porch and said, I want to
know your colleague's name and his badge number.
And this officer said, thank you for accommodating my earlier request,
you are under arrest. And he slapped handcuffs on me and they took me to
jail.
O'BRIEN: Originally they put the handcuffs behind your back.
GATES: They put the handcuffs behind my back. And I told them that I was
handicapped, I used a cane. They had a debate. There was a black officer
there who was very sensitive. He persuaded them to move the handcuffs
from around the back to the front. They took me to the Cambridge Police
station and booked me, fingerprints, mug shot, which has now been all
over the universe.
O'BRIEN: I've got to tell you, to see -- I mean, Professor Gates, I had
him in college. And you know, to have that shot, your mug shot, it is
quite a shock to see. What was that moment like for you?
GATES: It was terrifying. And I realized…
O'BRIEN: Were you afraid?
GATES: I knew that I was in danger but I knew, too, that as soon as my
friends could get to jail, starting with Professor Charles Ogletree, who
is my friend and lawyer, that eventually I would be OK.
But what it made me realize was how vulnerable all black men are, how
vulnerable all people of color are and all poor people to capricious
forces like a rogue policeman. And this man clearly was a rogue policeman.
O'BRIEN: The police report said he described you as behaving in a
tumultuous manner.
GATES: Yes, look how tumultuous I am. I'm 5'7", I weigh 150 pounds. And
my tumultuous, outrageous action, Tom, was to demand that he give me his
name and his badge number. Soledad, why? Because if I had stepped out on
the porch -- it is important for all people to know this about the police.
If I had stepped outside of my house, he couldn't come in my house
legally without a warrant. He couldn't arrest me without a warrant. Had
I stepped outside he would have slapped handcuffs on me for being under
suspicion of breaking and entering because he was responding to a profile.
Two black men with backpacks were breaking and entering into my home.
And when he see me, he just presumed that one of them was me.
O'BRIEN: A neighbor called 911. I mean, it was a neighbor of yours who
said that description, two black men breaking into your house. Are you
angry with your neighbor?
GATES: No. In fact I hope right now that if someone is breaking into my
house this nice lady is calling the police. I have a lot of valuable art
and books in that house. And in fact, I think I'm going to send this
person some flowers. I hope she is watching. I know that she must be
intimidated and she must think that I'm very angry.
It wasn't her fault. It was the fault of the policeman who couldn't
understand a black man standing up for his rights right in his space.
And that's what I did. And I would do the same thing exactly again.
O'BRIEN: The charges were dropped.
GATES: Charges were dropped and the mayor of Cambridge, God bless her,
called me and apologized to me. And my lawyers and I are considering
what further action. Because this is…
O'BRIEN: What does that mean? Does that mean lawsuit?
GATES: Perhaps. Because this is not about me. This is about the
vulnerability of black men in America.
O'BRIEN: You know, you raise an interesting point. And again, the reason
you were originally here was to talk to being the inspiration for Tom
Joyner. You helped Tom Joyner track down part of his history that brings
us right back to the vulnerability of African-American men, but many,
many years prior to your situation.
GATES: Almost a century ago, Tom's great uncles, Tom and Meeks Griffin
(ph) were electrocuted on September 29, 1915, in South Carolina for a
crime -- for murdering a white man, a Confederate veteran, for a crime
that they most certainly did not commit. And we are filing papers to the
governor of South Carolina, who has been rather busy lately, hasn't
responded to my -- to our case.
O'BRIEN: Yes. We heard about him in the news too.
GATES: I think he took your petition to South America somewhere. But
we're going to get them exonerated. It is a terrible, terrible story.
O'BRIEN: What was -- what did it feel like? I mean, all this was done
with the DNA testing. And really your passion has been to sort of fill
in the blanks of the story of African-Americans. You do that on PBS. You
do that in your work. You do that in your research. You do that in the
DNA testing.
It was incredibly emotional for you to know the people you came from.
JOYNER: Yes.
O'BRIEN: Why?
JOYNER: First of all, when you asked me to do this, and you asked, name
someone who has been very influential in your life, this was three weeks
ago, not knowing that what happened to Dr. Gates would have happened and
making him the star of this whole "Black in America 2" show today.
Every day that I go into my studio, I have the books that he gave me
about my ancestry.
O'BRIEN: Tracing your history.
JOYNER: And like the log at the Apollo, just for good luck, when I walk
into my studio, I rub these books, because that makes me realize that no
matter how much of a struggle that I might be going through, that my
ancestors went through a larger struggle.
And that we have come -- we've come a long way and Dr. Gates and the
incident reminds us that we still have a long way to go.