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April 18, 2009

Kate Gosselin vs. Susan Boyle -- you be the judge

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I am hoping someone can explain this to me.

 

On Thursday, I did a post on Susan Boyle, the Scottish singer with the huge voice, whose YouTube video of her tryout on Britain's Got Talent became a global phenomenon. I had lots of video of her singing, of her being interviewed, and a nice little feature CBS News did of the village in which she lives.

And that post about this super talented but very modest performer did very well in page views and the number of comments it received.

But then yesterday, I posted a preview of Sunday night's TLC special, Jon & Kate Plus 8 Go Green, which focused on Kate Gosselin and her kvetching, and it drew more response than Boyle -- without video.

Here's my question: Could people really be more interested in Kate Gosselin than Susan Boyle?

I know both of these women -- at least what we see of them onscreen -- are tapping into deeper currents in national and world life. Kate is doing it as "super mom" with eight kids, while Susan is doing it with her lovely voice defying expectations some had of her based on appearance.

In a cynical and very dark time, Boyle is a ray of light. Listening to her being interviewed Thursday by Maggie Rodriguez and Harry Smith on The Early Show on CBS, I was struck by how her modesty and sense of being centered highlighted what patronizing, phony, empty-vessel types we have playing hosts on American network TV these days.

I know Kate serves as a lightning rod for gender and marital issues in the lives of people who watch. But Kate is neither modest not centered, and yet more people wanted to read and talk about her on this blog.

Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe readers feel they have to "set the record straight" and make sure people understand that they do NOT like Kate -- whereas all of the comments about Boyle were positive.

But I wonder if in these angry times we would rather read and talk about what makes us angry instead of what inspires us.

 

 

Posted by David Zurawik at 9:34 AM | | Comments (43)
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I have used all my superlatives writing about Susan Boyle. She is talented and charming and I eagerly await her next performance.

Kate Goselin is like watching a train wreck - I am on the edge of my seat waiting for her gravy train to jump the tracks. And it will.

Hi Denise, Thanks. I love the image of a gravy train headed for a wreck. Z

Has it occurred to you that your story about Susan was only one in 3,000 to choose from about her, while your story about Kate was probably more like one in 200 stories about Kate? That might explain it. Your competition for news about Susan was much, much higher because ALOT more people were writing about her.

Hi, Good point. On Thursday, it was probably only 2,999. Friday, it was 3,000. Kidding. Yes, the compteition is less with Kate. But I am still surpised by how much interest there is in talking about Kate. Thanks. Z

Is there truly any way these two could be compared?

Susan is truly a natural talent with inner beauty and Kate is a want'a be talent, with none to speak of , unless you call, 'How to exploit your children and ruin their lives', a talent.

Now.. she is real talented in that department !

I would gladly watch Susan any day of the week, but I would rather watch my husband snore, than watch Kate pretend to be a good mother.

She is a disgrace to motherhood !

I think you may have answered your own question! I'm guilty as charged!

I've watched several versions of Susan Boyle's full performance on YOUTUBE in the last three days. Her version of the song is haunting and I find myself humming it all the time now. I have been leaving/saving all my lovely comments on/for YOUTUBE!

BUT ... I'm also accountable to the pleasure in exposing the fraudulent Kate Gosselin. You have to realize she has been around a lot longer manipulating and infuriating people.

In less than 1 week, 25mil+ hit one version of Susan Boyle's taped performance on YOUTUBE .... give her more time to inspire!

In case anyone thinks Susan is a one song croner, the following is a recording of her ten years ago on a charity CD of which there where 1000 copies made!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI2DxkrgpgQ

Thanks for sharing! Z

I still can not watch the Susan Boyle video without crying. She's so inspiring on so many levels. Her voice is beautiful. No comment on Jon/Kate +8. I don't care for that type of entertainment.

Thanks, Gail. Z

For as unpopular as Kate is, she has her core audience -- which is not small. I'm not personally a fan, but the answer to your questions, I think, speaks to American tastes as viewers. I've all but stopped watching t.v. because it plays more and more to the lowest common denominator. We've stopped requiring our TV audiences to think and allowed them to become passive participants in other people's lives. Sad.

As to Susan, she has elevated the world to a place where few can take us. Perhaps it's more fun to delve into Kate's life because it's safer and less threatening. God forbid we should be inspired and allow it to take us somewhere unfamiliar.

With that said, she does have almost 30 million YouTube views in what -- six days? I'll be a large majority of that is Americans, and so as the other poster said, "give her more time to inspire"! I bet she'll eclipse 'ol Kate.

You are right, and I am sure she will. But it will be fascinating to watch the arc of Susan Boyle and see if the audience embraces her long term or shows itself to be fickle and short in its attention span. Thanks. Z

I decided to link your page on my Jon & Kate fan site. Although I had never heard of this woman up until your article, I don't know how these two women can even be compared. The only similartiy I see is that their rise to fame was both a quick one.

Jon & Kate have millions of fans and have been on TV for a while now. Kate has become a celebrity in her own right as an author of three books. With that come people that feel the need out of sheer jealousy to write horrible things about her simply because she is no longer relateable because of her wealth. The shows success suddenly wasn't about the adorable kids, but recaps on how date Kate berate her own husband. People seem to think that just because she is on TV, that he life can be judged and criticized just because someone feels that they could do better.

Susan Boyle is being priased for her beautiful voice and Kate is being berated because of her new found wealth and unrelateable fame. They couldnt be more different, but yet you question for the sake of publicity of your own blog..ohh why does Kate get more hits?? For the obvious reason that people love to snark and hate. Give Susan Boyle a makeover, a fancy car & a new house with a recording contract and watch the snakes hiss.

To encourage on your blog to "ohh please lets all SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT so we all know that you HATE Kate" is doing what every other hate site does, which is actually hand out the matches to watch the flame get higher. I have linked several of your pieces on the Gosselins to our site and have always enjoyed your articles. But comparing them is very unfair.

Hi Baby Mama, Thanks for the links. I appreciate them. I am fascinated by the success of Jon & Kate. And I am impressed with TLC's understanding of their potential. Maybe there is no comparison, as you say, but I was once again impressed by the keen interest -- pro and con -- in the Gosselins and the preview of Sunday's TV special. Thanks. Z

Susan Boyle is a breath of fresh, non-pretentious air. Her performance still gives me goose bumps.

Kate Gosselin is a manipulative, narcissistic shrew who is pimping her children for her monetary gain. Can you say "child exploitation"? People say Nadya Suleman is going to exploit her children if cameras go into her home...guess what? She got the idea from Kate and Jon Gosselin.

Susan is real, has a heart and probably is a very nice person.

Kate is a greedy, entitled witch.

In response to an earlier comment, I would say that no one would begrudge Susan Boyle a makeover, a fancy car, or a new house, because she has done something, in a fashion, to earn it. What has Kate Gosselin done - give birth? If so, then every mother out there should have these things. And if having the number of kids has made her "earn" it - well, every Amish family living around me should have those things. They have MORE kids and generally less than a year between each.

I think if the Gosselins were more grateful rather than expressing entitlement, I wouldn't have a problem. But unfortunately past history of that family (such as the early legal issues of help, etc.) indicate that they think they deserve special attention. As comparison, I had no problems with the McCaugheys, for example. It was so evident that they were truly grateful for everything they were given. And they didn't ASK.

Maybe if Jon and Kate showed true appreciation, people might be more kind, but they don't. And even if they try now, it's just too late. Eventually it will come to an end and I'll be thankful.

I have watched Susan Boyle's video each day since first viewing it on Monday. Each time I watch her step onto the stage I think "Oh they are going to be so mean to her" until she begins to sing and stuns everyone. Why are we so suprised that an extraordinary voice comes from an ordinary package? I wish all the best for Ms. Boyle - whatever it is she truly wants (success, fame, money, or just to be appreciated and taken seriously).

As for Kate Gosselin, my personal jury is still out on her. I think the children are adorable, I do feel sorry for the husband (Jon) and perhaps I don't really like what I see in Kate. However, I am grateful that I'm not in her shoes at all.

It is like comparing apples and oranges.

Susan Boyle has an amazing talent all her own.

Kate at first seemed to be sincere in her mother role and being someone many could connect with.

Well, Baby Mama is right about one thing, to compare Susan Boyle and Kate Gosselin is most definitely unfair.

Ms. Boyle has character and integrity, and is clearly a caring, loving and attentive woman, as
exhibited by her willingness to forego her own dreams of a music career while caring for her dying mother.

On the other hand, Kate Gosselin wouldn't (and didn't) forego traveling w/Jon to CA for FREE hairplugs, when all of her kids were sick as dogs. She opted instead to pawn them off on her brother and wife, and relegate her sick son to the laundry room floor! Kate doesn't know the meaning of character and integrity. Nope, no comparison whatsoever! Totally unfair!

Susan is a rare person - talented but humble and very comfortable with herself. It is hard not to like what I've seen of her - she's utterly charming.

Kate is someone people love to hate - fair or unfair. I'm paraphrasing, but the head of TLC recently said these family shows have to have two things - cute kids and conflict. Kate is volatile and you never know what's coming next and that keeps it interesting. When she's edgy and sharp, we all feel better about ourselves.

I think Kate and Susan are like two different vehicles - one is a comfortable luxury model that handles well and the other is a sports model with touchy brakes and steering that can go out of control at any moment.

"Hi Denise, Thanks. I love the image of a gravy train headed for a wreck. Z"

I'll spread mashed potatoes on the tracks!

"As comparison, I had no problems with the McCaugheys, for example. It was so evident that they were truly grateful for everything they were given. And they didn't ASK."

Kayla, not to mention the McCaugheys never sold out their kids for the almighty dollar!

Let's put Susan Boyle and Kate together on a stage.

Let's see Susan perform, as in sing the way she sang in Britan.

Then let's see Kate perform. Ummm, well, ummmm?

Huh?

What in the heck does she do? I don't get it.

What in the heck has made her so dang "famous?"

Well, let her do her thing, whatever, and then have the audience applaud as a host indicates when to choose who you would rather see a repeat performance from.

Hands down, Susan would the victor.

To Baby Mama:

You COULD give Susan Boyle a makeover, a great car, a recording contract and even millions of dollars and I doubt she would change all that much on the inside. I dont think she would ever come one nanosecond closer to the despicable Kate Gosselin. Why? Because Kate, the shrew, plans her every, calculating move with one and only one objective in mind and that is to greedily be the center of attention in every situation.

Susan Boyle has class, the sort of class that comes from the soul.
Something Kate Gosselin doesnt have a clue about. She can doll up her skunky hair, fake tan and earn millions off her kids back all she likes. Kate Gosselin wouldnt know class if it bit her in the ass.

Kate who? I think I've heard the name before. Susan Boyle, now i know who she is. Funny, huh?

You are right there is no comparrison, Kate is a beautiful, wife and mother and very sweet and kind in her unique way. As Susan is beautiful in her way,
But one is a mother the other a single woman, they have nothing in common what so ever, I think they are both beautiful women and an encouragement to others in their own way

The reason that Kate gets more hits is because there is a core of people who find her detestable and a poor example and they are using the blogs to make that matter known. Many of us have been contacting advertisers and TLC letting them know what a poor example of mothering she shows and that we are boycotting their products.

The only thing Kate is an example for is being a greedy shrew who pimps her children for income so that she and her lazy, spineless husband don't have to work. Kate is the model for octomom's detestable behavior and Kate will continue to give unbalanced, lazy women the idea of having a mega birth so that they will get freebies unless the show is taken off the air.

I would have to hear Kate Gosselin sing before I could really compare them, but I have a feeling that Susan would win. She has real talent and we are still waiting to see what Kate Gosselin's talent is.

Sherry Tellitocci

Baby Mama is an over-the-top fan regarding the Gosselins. There is no comparison between the natural talent and story behind Susan and the greediness and LACK of talent of Kate Gosselin. TLC should be ashamed of themselves exploiting families and the families should be ashamed of themselves putting their families on public display.

Susan has a gift to treasure, whereas
Kate is exploiting her gifts (her children) to attain personal treasure. (love offerings, in her terminology..)

Susan looks a bit like a wounded bird with a beautiful voice, whereas Kate is more of a crow scanning the horizon and swooping down for shiny objects.

Kate is trash and Susan is a gift.

Susan has a gift to treasure, whereas
Kate is exploiting her gifts (her children) to attain personal treasure. (love offerings, in her terminology..)

Susan looks a bit like a wounded bird with a beautiful voice, whereas Kate is more of a crow scanning the horizon and swooping down for shiny objects.

Kate is trash and Susan is a gift.

Kate Gosseline is one huge crusade of explaining to the world how wonderful she is and why she is so worthy of validation. Susan Boyle on the other hand, merely does what she does effortlessly and from the heart with no further explanation required.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, so I will just agree with all the pro Susan / go away Kate comments.

"Kate is trash and Susan is a gift" : well said Free G 8.

Also, Mr Z, you should know that Baby Mamma is infamous in the blogging world for being a scary-obsessive Kate worshipper.

And to Baby Mamma - the jealous excuse is probably the lamest out there. I have more $ than Kate, my house is just as nice if not nicer than Kate, I have a wonderful husband, family and friends, my clothes are better than Kate's and I can afford all the same vacations as Kate. I am not jealous of her in the least- I detest her because she is a lying, greedy scam artist who makes money off her children's backs.

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Moving forward, Susan Boyle was wonderful. She needs her own show and I would definitely watch that. I haven't seen that jon and kate except once and they showed those kids poop on tv. That was way too much.

Kate Gosselin making all this money of the backs of her childrne needs to pay back the people of Pennsylvania and the federal government for paying for her decision to implant all those eggs. Millions of dollars is what it costs out of our pockets for her to have a free ride. What's the world coming to?

Baby Mama is weird. ... If I was Kate I'd watch that one. What kind of grown woman does that. ...I agree baby mama acts like shes in a cult following Kate. KATE GO AWAY.

Hi, The ellipses are mine. I did not want anyone being libeled and would rather err of side of caution by del;etinhg a few words. Thanks. Z

BABYMAMA is Kate’s (1 and only) VERY well known “uber” fan! ... ” … Kate Gosselin was well disliked well BEFORE her recent move and ostentatious wealth. SO even with them both at the lower middle class ranks SUSAN BOYLE has more likeability –“ish”(Kate language). Kate never mastered that one.

im no longer kates number 1 fan she makes money off the backs of her kids. jon&kate get a job. let your kids lead a normal life.

If we would all stop watching we would get rid of Kate for good. Go to gwop for re caps dont watch this train wreck of a show pass it on.

Kate Gosselin is a greedy witch who makes her money off the backs of her 2 sets of multiples. She angers so many, because in today's economy, she feels she's "entitled" to freebies(including the solar panels on her mansion) because science enabled her to have so many kids and society owes her money to support them. WHAT?? Susan Boyle is a class act.
Oh and "Baby Mama"...she's looney and obsessed with Kate. SHE'S the JEALOUS one, not Kate's foes

Two classic examples of what defines beauty.

Susan Boyle may not be very attractive, but what is inside her makes her BEAUTIFUL, LOVING, KIND.

Kate Gosselin may be attractive, but what is inside her is UGLY, DEPLORABLE, HATEFUL.

There is no comparison.
It's apples and oranges.
Susan is humble, beautiful both on the outside and inside. Dutiful to the end, to fullfill her Mother's dying wish.
Her voice is like an Angle. I cannot believe the beauty.
I hear when she sings--she already has a contract! I'm very excited for her. Of course she will be earing more money than she will know what to do with. Did you notice I said "earn" LOL, yeah, sure you did.
She will earn all sorts of things with her talent. Yes, pure raw talent. She will truly deserve all she EARNS. You will never hear one person or see one site despise her as you do Jon and Kate for what they are doing to their children.

Now Kate. Hmmmmmm she's to "me" unattractive. Why? because she's such an ugly, cruel, vicious, selfish, greedy, inhumane, money grubbing, attention seeking whore. Yes.
That is Kate. It is always about Kate, even when it comes to her children, she makes it a competition.
She treats her children like a child should not be treated ever.
Yes, people like Babymama, sit back and idolize her-- Make love sites for her and Jon-- publish their children's pictures all over the web. It's amazing and yet so disgusting.
The reason you got a stronge reaction is NOT one of jealousy.That's an old, warn out excuse. Believe me, people are FAR from jealous of Kate. They wanted to like her. She made that impossible with her pure nastiness and hateful nature and wild exploitation of her children.

Her family has left her, her friends all left, workers (helpers). Not one person can she keep by her side. Apparantly, not even her husband! Um UTAH, College girls, drinking........... YEP.
She was marketing her children before they were even born. She simply found a "buyer" in TLC

Living on the State-- Kate and Jon were, begging money from Church members.
Being angry because people donated things that did not MATCH! Imagine that?!!
She and Jon are wretched people. Their children have already paid the ultimate price for their fame for Kate's desire to have a large family. She knew exactly what she was doing-- IMHO--
I have great sympathy for her children. Not only are you being raised by horrible parents, you have the entire World available to watch your every move, your every bowel movement, your every bite of food or lack there of.
It's disgusting....
It's why I no longer watch and haven't for quite some time.

So, difference between Susan and Kate. Please.
They don't even belong in the same sentence.
Susan = Class
Kate= Child Exploitation times 8

There is no comparison between the two women.
Susan is humble and seems to remain humble even though she is thrust into the spotlight.
Kate has never been humble. before the 6 were born, they had a website set up and were looking for donations. Kate took over 100k in welfare and was still asking for more welfare when her kids were healthy and both her and Jon had employable skills but choose not to work. Now Kate gets more freebies then anyone, gymboree and ann taylor clothing, trips, box seats and more. She seems to want more and more and is so ungrateful. Anyone who watched the going green show can't deny how ungrateful she was and how poorly she treated Steve.

Now that her 25k church appearances are running dry, she is started up a new money maker. Tea with Kate $150 in Detriot! Does she ever give back (and don't say the episode she visited a kids hospital and gave away free copies of her book)? Now that she owns a 1.3 million dollar home , should she not try to give back to the state of PA for all the welfare? or be the stay at home mom she claims in her story and show (when she is gone 20+ days a month ).

I would love to see less of kate and more of Susan anyday.

One reason you might get more Kate comments is that some message boards have been taken down, like tlc and discovery(without reason, when other shows like big people little world and table for 12 have active boards?) and people have to search to find a place to post.

I gree Ann, susan is sweet Kates not thats for sure. Go to Multiples, at tlc we post there about jon&kate plus8. gosselines without pitty good site too.


... I wish they would cancel the show. I’m so tired of week after week of freebies and special treatment. Kate is no way a ‘supermom’…she has ‘helpers’, beats up Jon mentally, doesn’t allow her children to have freedom of creativity and individuality. She chose the colors they could paint with—just because they were for the basement so therefore they had to match—gag me please. They always have to dress in matching clothes—that screams ‘look at us, we have multiple children!’. Weeks from turning 5, they still wear bibs and are still sitting in modified highchairs. They still speak like toddlers. When they were living at the old house, she had three people doing her laundry. One to fold, one to iron and one to put them away. The first thing she told Jon when Joel got sick was ‘we have no more comforters’; not ‘Joel got the flu too’ after she had left him on the laundry room floor with the door closed. Her laundry took precedential over taking care of sick children, all because it would have meant taking longer than usual to do laundry. Um, once or twice a year wouldn’t kill her to fall behind with laundry. This happens to all parents, even me. I am up at night doing extra laundry. And I’m a single parent. Do I complain and whine about it. No. Jon is more hand-on parent and will let them have fun when he has his way (Kate’s way---no scooping down the hill or rolling in the grass—image the grass stains, not even one roll, now that is horrendous horrendously); he is the one who gets up with the twins and get them ready for school. She used to say she would not get up until 8 am. Right, with the toddlers screaming and crying behind her closed door (they showed it on an episode). Jon is the one who wipes their butts. She could not be bothered with that. She says ‘I’m exhausted’ every 5 minutes. She even said that after explaining to Mady and Cara about the rules for fireworks. She is exhausted from a conversation? Is that for drama effect? I don’t recall her ever saying she loves her children or Jon. She just loves what she is doing; the traveling and the freebies she gets. All he family do is cause chaos, disorganization and exhaustion for her which ‘stresses’ her out. Gag.

How is traveling to A, speaking for 30 minutes & signing books for an hour and flying to B or home called work? Talking is work? Flying first class is work? No church activities? She doesn’t preach/discuss about her Christian beliefs or talk about the bible; she always tells the same story over and over at every event. She charges $150 for a tea party. F* $150, that should be going to charity.

Kate shopped around for someone on the media network and had the twins make an audition tape. They are always begging for stuff on their show. They claim they are for the purpose of ‘making memories’. The free trips and free clothing are part of making memories? She didn’t even bother to watch her younger children ski for the first time; instead she wanted to be at the spa. They will do it as long as it costs them nothing. All they have to do is say ‘we don’t have this, we don’t have anything to sit, we need this, we want to do this.’, then proof, their wishes are fulfilled. Do them on your dime! Jon’s hair plugs weren’t necessary---there was really nothing wrong with his hair; it were just a peak of being a reality TV star and he got an all-paid expense trip to LA. There was no reason to get hair plugs until someone ‘donated’ the services. Kate tried to get one more free surgery out of her tummy tuck. Now that is just ridiculous. They don’t have to save up money for trips and major purchases like the majority of us do because their expenses are paid by TLC, Film 8 and the fans. She is selling pictures of her children in order to make more cash. I wouldn’t buy pictures of someone else’s children. She claims they are for college funds. BUT THE STATE OF PA ALREADY GAVE THEM COLLEGE FUNDS. They were established when the sextuplets were born. It’s called TAP accounts, I believe. They are basically lying about the reason for selling pictures at $20 each. Cash only. That’s disturbing. The children were filmed naked when they were younger. Would one of these fans allow her children to be filmed like that? Bathing naked? Sitting on the potty with pants down? There is a reason why I do not sign the waiver form from school because I do not want my child to be photographed. Would they want to have their children’s bodily functions and ‘obnoxious’ choices be discussed on national TV? I didn’t think so.

Great Post by LB. Nothing to add, I agree with everything that was said in LB's post. Talk about hitting the nail on the head, you got it right and many more feel the same way. Kate Gosselin is about the freebies, cash. She is no example of what a good mother does. BTW, loved hearing Susan sing, great voice and her modesty is inspiring, she truly appreciates her God given talent and shares it! A beautiful lady!

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About David Zurawik
I've been The Baltimore Sun's TV critic since 1989. My writings on TV and media have appeared in such publications as TV Guide, Esquire magazine and American Journalism Review. I have a Ph.D. in American Studies from the University of Maryland, College Park, and an M.A. in specialized reporting (on popular culture) from the University of Wisconsin. I'm the author of The Jews of Prime Time (Brandeis University Press), a look at 50 years of Jewish characters and identity on network TV. I have also been with WYPR-FM (88.1) radio since 1994 and can be heard Thursday mornings at 7:30 doing a weekly "Take on Television" report.
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