What's worse: stink or smoke?
Since the smoking ban started a few months ago, I've noticed something in bars and clubs I never noticed before.
It's the smell. ...
I feel ... saturated by moldy stale beer and body odor.
Some places in this city stink. Especially when people inside are dancing.
And like it or not, cigarette smoke covered up the odor. Personally, I'd rather smell cigarette smoke than B.O.
There are places I won't go now (and I'm not naming names) because I know it stinks in there.
Gutter blogger Andy Shankman wrote about this in his review of TaxLo's sixth anniversary blowout at Sonar.
No, I don't like getting smoke blown in my face, and I don't want to get in all the politics behind the smoking ban (we've been there), but I'm curious to know if any of you have noticed this and, if so, what you think about it.
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Comments
So much for "Clean Air".
I suppose as long as those people don't have to go home and shower, wash their hair and clothes clean of all that cigarette smoke, they don't care if they go home stinking of stale alcohol and other peoples body odor (and those smells cling just as much). Now I know why so many more people seem to smell so dirty these days. And here I thought my sense of smell just got more sensitive.
Posted by: Lynda F | June 4, 2008 12:38 PM
Definitely the smell.
The smoke there's always the chance you can change your seating to be up wind, but the smell, there's no escaping it and worse, it tends to cling to you that others notice*, if they are discrete enough not to mention it.
*Former smokers tend to have a heighten awareness to smell, especially if it's stale.
Posted by: GDA | June 4, 2008 12:43 PM
Smoke can come out of clothes and hair. Stink stays with you for a while. Charles Village Pub has always smelled of vomit and bleach and that is reason enough to stay out. Though it can be fun to pick up teeth from the floor after a couple of fist-pumpers get into a fight over some girl from Cherry Hill, NJ.
Posted by: bryaninTimonium | June 4, 2008 12:46 PM
I didn't read the rest of the article, but tended to go to places with people who smoked, could.
Clubs with a busy dance floor were always a different, and sometimes dramatic, offending experience.
Posted by: GDA | June 4, 2008 12:50 PM
The B.O. is worse to me, though there were always a few bars that just reeked too much of smoke. I've noticed the B.O. and various cleaner fumes more these days and I find them intolerable sometimes. Still, I think the biggest problem is bad smelling or allergy inducing foods such as peanuts that contaminate everything. Ban those next!
Posted by: CD | June 4, 2008 12:50 PM
Stink and the reason is that many bars do not clean on a daily or even weekley basis. I don't understand how money can flow through a place, but they can't hire someone to wipe the tables or clean the bathrooms.
Posted by: Drew from Greektown | June 4, 2008 2:23 PM
I think that some bars and stores just do not clean very well, including their heating or air conditioning systems. I have noticed that stale smoke smell in several stores. If you have lots of people in a space dancing there should be good ventilation, and the filters need to be replaced or cleaned regularily. I would not want to hang out in a stinky place, with or without the 'fresh' smoke.
Posted by: Kathy soccer mom | June 4, 2008 2:45 PM
Why not a Fab Five worst new BO bar? Duda's in Fells now has a nice wet dog feel that permeates until you enjoy a warm chili bake.
You can now smell the beer brewing at Wharf Rat downtown, but the one in Fells just has a faint stale beer odour on quiet evenings.
Posted by: Mike | June 4, 2008 3:23 PM
You're right about the smells in the bar. Flies and bugs are more prone to hang out in the bars, too, now that the smoke is gone. And let's not forget the terrible food/grease-pit odors coming from the kitchens in these places. I went home smelling like a chicken box and I eat fried chicken!!!
Posted by: Colleen | June 4, 2008 4:06 PM
Yeah right! Are you kidding? Smoke is so much worse!! I sense grumpy smokers here.
Posted by: Hampden | June 4, 2008 4:09 PM
In the old days, you had the stale beer and BO, even when the smoke was covering it up. So now, without smoke, it can't be any worse than the previous smoke-beer-BO mixture. If you were "sitting up wind" as Lynda F said, you'd still have the BO and beer problem.
It might take some establishments a bit of time to figure out how to clean better, now that the smoke is gone.
Posted by: jake | June 4, 2008 4:19 PM
Ban peanuts eh? Good call, let's just ban everything that offends anyone! Better yet, let's stay in our hermetically sealed living rooms. Huzzah for the future! I say let's ban vegetarian food - it offends my carnivourous sensetivities!
Posted by: bryanintimonium | June 4, 2008 4:22 PM
Why are we blaming the smoking ban and not the bars themselves?
Get some ventilation in the place, control the behavior of your patrons, mop your floors, clean your bathrooms... maybe the places won't stink so much.
Sweaty people smell bad. Sometimes you can't stop people from sweating or smelling bad. But enough ventilation and air circulation should help out a bit, don't you think?
I can't stand bars that get by on the "we sell beer and play music" standard. College student driven or not, keep your place clean.
Posted by: dc | June 4, 2008 4:44 PM
What is needed is a state law that prohibits people from leaving their houses until that have properly abluted themselves.
Also a law that prevents bars from serving beer. And as we all know no one will go out of business because of this law.
BTW, can you die from second hand body odor?
Posted by: VOSA3 | June 4, 2008 5:26 PM
only if you dehydrate by vomiting to death
Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 6:22 PM
I'm sure you were one of the first people to complain about the smoke in the bars...If you don't like the smell of a bar drink at home!!
Posted by: Scott | June 4, 2008 7:19 PM
The smoke by far is the worst; there is no way that I could die by smelly stank ... and beer.
Posted by: Calvin Garner | June 4, 2008 7:57 PM
Yup! I know exactly what you mean.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2008 9:57 PM
I'll take the stink to the deadly smoke any time. Tell people not to smoke and they want to fight you. Tell them they stink and they take a bath. Tell the bar owner his bar stinks and he will probably clean it up.
Posted by: Pasadena George | June 5, 2008 8:37 AM
Why don't people ever stop complaining? If a bar smells, leave or bury your nose in your glass and drink up.
Posted by: TS | June 5, 2008 9:30 AM
Bars smell? WOW who would have guessed?
I will use the same argument here that moronic smokers have used for years, if you don't like the smell then don't go there.
Posted by: Edward Mundley | June 5, 2008 9:40 AM
Pasadena George, I'd love to watch you tell someone they stunk. You really think they'd put their tail between their legs and slink off to take a bath?
And you think a bar owner would get out a mop and bucket because you told him his bar stunk? You'd either get thrown out or punched in the face, depending on where you were.
Posted by: Sam Sessa | June 5, 2008 9:58 AM
I've been saying this since visiting Boston, New York and the like before Maryland went smoke-free. But even worse than the B.O. and stale beer...the bathrooms! The smell of urine is overwhelming.
Posted by: Dan Martin | June 5, 2008 10:18 AM
Interesting. The smoking ban coincided with my finding out I was pregnant and therefore quitting smoking, so both of those may contribute to my heightened sense of smell. But the few times i have been in clubs since then, I have noticed that it smells like alchohol breath. Like the bum in front of you at the liquor store buying lotto. I would take cigarette smoke over that any day.
Posted by: Betsy | June 5, 2008 2:44 PM