Is it the wine glass or is it the pour?
Sam raises an intriguing point about restaurant wine glasses on Midnight Sun today. It sounds like the restaurant his friend told him about, known for its wine list and the expertise of its owner, started off using the proper glassware for a red wine and got complaints for doing so.
The restaurant ended up changing the glasses to something smaller so customers wouldn't feel like they were being cheated when they ordered red wine by the glass.
Even if you post your comments on the subject there, I'm hoping you'll also come back here and tell us what you think.
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Guess they are all still over in Samville. I haven't read that post yet.
Red wine glasses have a wider mouth to let the wine breathe easier, from what I've read.
I have these very large red wine glasses at home, they're 19 oz. It was the only size they had in the store at the time. If restaurants used them and filled them, then wine would be a bargain. But their customers would get tipsy.
Posted by: PCB Rob | April 16, 2009 3:10 PM
It's actually a good validation of who is really eating in good restaurants with extensive wine lists - as my grandmother called them codfish aristocracy. Ate codfish at home so they could go out and put the dogs on.
And why should the chef go to the extra trouble of baking their own bread, making thier own stocks and desserts - by gosh these are Sysco folks! How about Solo cups!
Posted by: EdG | April 16, 2009 3:22 PM
I'm not a wine person so I don't know all the details but I've seen it happen in restaurant/bars in Scottsdale. People order wine and then get upset when they get a small wine pour without realizing that the amount is the same but the glass is larger. Bars then figure rather than fight it, they just use smaller glasses to make it appear to be more wine.
People, unfortunately are often clueless. They often want other drinks filled to the top but then they spill it as they attempt to pick up the glass.
The other funny part is that some places put dry ice in cosmos and you should see the dumbfounded looks in customer's eyes. It is like they have never seen dry ice before. Of course we are talking about Scottsdale, pretty shallow and not very bright.
Posted by: rich | April 16, 2009 4:16 PM
When the owner of Savona in Bel Air first got her license to serve wine, there was a glass on the Deli case with a black stripe around it. Presumably this let both the staff (who were new at serving) and the customers (who had a new option) know what a standard pour was. I haven't seen it for a while, so maybe everyone feels like they get it.
Posted by: MD Canon | April 16, 2009 6:39 PM
I suppose they could serve wine in Pyrex measuring cups so there is no question about the pour amount.
Posted by: MrRational | April 16, 2009 7:16 PM
I'll have to go read the article but...
Since I know that reds should be poured into wider mouth/larger bowl glasses, and if I went to this restaurant that sounds like it is "known for it's wines", and I was served a red in a small glass... Conclusion would be: they don't know wine. I'd prefer a restaurant be less swayed by customers' ignorance. Maybe they should have just included a discreetly worded lesson about wines in their wine book along the lines of the history that some older restaurants include in their menus. Maybe they could have "ritualized" the pouring of the wine to include a discreet explanation of why the red goes into the big glass and the white doesn't.
*sigh*
Posted by: Misha the Veggie Lover | April 17, 2009 8:34 AM
Well, when Petit Louis first opened, I went one night with my sons, who were not yet of drinking age. I got a glass of red wine and I would swear that the server poured about an ounce and a half into my glass. I know about using large glasses, but I did feel miffed on this occasion.
Posted by: Dahlink | April 17, 2009 4:52 PM
I like a 'proper' pour from the bottle at the table but I don't mind a more generous pour when I order by the glass. Am I being picky?
Posted by: Dan D | April 17, 2009 8:08 PM
You nailed it, Dan D!
Posted by: Dahlink | April 18, 2009 8:04 AM
Solution: do NOT order by the glass, EVER. If you have to run, fine, order a bottle, have a glass, and take the rest with you for later. That way you can have as much in the glass as you can stand, or until you can't stand....then call a cab. But: don't forget the bottle!!
Posted by: dave the suave | April 19, 2009 8:30 PM
I appreciate a "proper" pour from a bottle in my wine glass so that I can accurately track how much I've had to drink before driving home.
(This is also true with mixed drinks, though it's easier to tell if it has been generously poured because they taste stronger - with wine in a glass, the size of the glass can be deceptive and it can be hard to tell if you've gotten too much).
I have a pretty good idea based upon my weight how much alcohol over a certain amount of time will put me over the .08 limit and I am very careful about not going over the limit. However, in order to make those calculations, I need to know exactly how much alcohol I'm consuming.
Posted by: Nancy | April 19, 2009 10:34 PM
I manage a wine bar in downtown Austin, and occasionally someone comments that our wine glasses (quite large) are insufficiently full.
I tend to reply that if it were full, that would be half a bottle of wine in their glass. "This ain't Chili's, pal." That usually does the trick. I've even noticed many places providing larger glasses, lately. Thank god!
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