Wine bar vs. gastropub
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I noticed that on Juniors' Web site, the Federal Hill restaurant calls itself a gastropub, although when it opened the words "Wine Bar" were part of the name. I've scoffed at the term "gastropub" since I first heard it, because the "gastro" part sounds so medical, and reminds me of complaints you don't want to think about when you're eating in a nice restaurant. ...
So why would any place want to be a gastropub rather than a wine bar? I know neither term reflects what the restaurant really is, it's just a description intended to lure you in. My only theory is that the folks at Juniors feel "gastropub" is more cutting edge and "wine bar" is so, you know, yesterday.
I still like wine bars better, and Juniors strikes me as more of a wine bar than a gastropub.










Comments
What is in a name anyway? Does the descriptor really draw in business? After seeing so many Bistros and Trattorias, I can't imagine those terms have any value. Maybe it's the sheer newness of a word that gives it cache. Perhaps we could develop some new coinages and TM them rapidly, thereby securing an annuity for Ms. Large following the inevitable buyout. I will begin with: Gustabar.
Posted by: matt hudock | December 8, 2008 7:42 AM
Gastros are quite popular in the UK and in a couple of major US cities. If it weren't for the brewery, it would be an excellent term for Brewer's Art.
Posted by: Cheese | December 8, 2008 8:20 AM
Gastro anything brings farting to mind.
Posted by: Eve | December 8, 2008 8:42 AM
Clearly, business owners have no idea how sickening the term "gastropub" is to people because they keep using it. They must think it sounds cutting edge and trendy.
It's funny because, I clicked on the link to Juniors and the first word that caught my eye was "gastropub" and my mind said "ew yuk" before even reading on. To this day, I'm not even sure what the term "gastropub" even means or why it'd be more fitting than wine bar or pub or whatever!
Posted by: Joyce W. | December 8, 2008 8:46 AM
I think its to redirect peoples first impression. "Wine Bar," at least to me, sounds fancier, more upper class (if that term has any meaning nowadays), and restricting in food choice: Cucumber sandwiches, anyone? "Gastro Pub" means more of a comfortable restaurant, with food I would want to order, more than the "fish and chips" of traditional Pubs, and with a wider beverage selection. Image is everything today and you must project an image that is more likely to attract customers.
Posted by: Retired in Elkridge | December 8, 2008 10:04 AM
"Wine Bar" would make me think of an upscale place that served a wide variety of wines, and a very small menu. Cheeses, I guess.
Gastropub, to me, is just a European twist on the word restuarant. In Russian, restaurants are referred to as gastronoms (I believe).
Posted by: PCB Rob | December 8, 2008 10:44 AM
Eve - who knows, enough beer and maybe that's acceptable in those places!
Posted by: Joyce W. | December 8, 2008 10:51 AM
Gastro- precedes so much icky medical stuff that it always has a sickening connotation. Gastropub comes from England? Well nothing good comes from England, nor anything cutting, nor [too many nors, JM?] anything I'd want to eat.
I would avoid anything called a gastropub just because of the kind of people I would expect to go there -- trendy tools.
Posted by: Owl Meat Götterdämmerung | December 8, 2008 11:30 AM
I like "gastropub" -- what's wrong with me?!?
I mean, I'd sooner go with friends to try out a new "gastropub" than I would a wine bar.
Posted by: gorelick | December 8, 2008 11:38 AM
I like "gastropub" -- what's wrong with me?!?
You should know better than to throw that out to the pack.
Posted by: Owl Meat Götterdämmerung | December 8, 2008 12:25 PM
I'm restraining myself, gorelick.
Posted by: Dahlink | December 8, 2008 12:36 PM
I like "gastropub" -- what's wrong with me?!?
You should know better than to throw that out to the pack.
i really should, shouldn't i.
Posted by: gorelick | December 8, 2008 12:39 PM
There was a time (back before Rachael Ray) when the word gastronomy and its variants were useful terms in the foodie community. In particular, the Larousse Gastronomique was long revered as the ultimate cooking reference source, though I don't know if any American (other than Julia Child) ever read it.
Perhaps gastronopub should have been rolled out as a descriptive term for the latest trendy restaurant concept, as it may have invoked fewer qualms on the part of EL and others?
Posted by: hmpstd | December 8, 2008 1:08 PM
You get several free passes from me because I'm guessing that when you were young, kids did some mean stuff to your name.
Posted by: Owl Meat Götterdämmerung | December 8, 2008 2:30 PM
I don't know about the general public but, anyone who's worked in a hospital, and knows what a gastrostomy, gastrectomy, gastroenteritis are doesn't want to hear a term begininning with "gastro" mixed with restaurant language.
Posted by: Joyce W. | December 8, 2008 2:47 PM
Hey how about a
Flatulounge for after dining at a Gastropub
Posted by: Hue | December 8, 2008 3:11 PM
omg & Dahlink, I'll never forget your the kindness you showed to me today......
Posted by: gorelick | December 8, 2008 3:33 PM
Owl Meat wrote I'm guessing that when you were young, kids did some mean stuff to your name. Kids can do mean things to ANY name. My maiden name was a set-up for the rhyme "ants in the pants." A coworker's maiden name was Holloway and I once thoughtlessly commented that kids couldn't do anything to that. How about Hollowhead? And then there was the girl named Amber who became "Amburger" (obligatory food reference).
Posted by: Dahlink | December 8, 2008 3:53 PM
My mother wanted to name my brother Mason Clay Potter. Her mother thought it was sweet.
Posted by: Lissa | December 8, 2008 4:37 PM
"Gorelick": what does That bring to mind? Forget regime change; I'm thinking a whole new wardrobe!
I'm also thinking the Brewer's Art could rename themselves the Brewer's Fart, and then just call it a day.
BTW: the term "brewpub" has been accepted & sounded cool, why change it into something ridiculous?
Posted by: dave the suave | December 8, 2008 4:50 PM
How about just pub?? Or pub with food? Or Inn?
I seem to remember some really quaint pubs in Scotland that served food, and they were called pubs. Closer to towns though, they were "tied houses" or "free houses" which meant whether they served only brews from a certain brewer. Most of the tied houses I saw were tied to Bass. You could tell from a sign posted on the outside of the place.
Posted by: PCB Rob | December 8, 2008 6:10 PM
Lissa
You would definately have "trade" possibilities with that name. You could build with bricks, make the bricks, or use the clay for pottery or sculpture.
Posted by: LEC | December 8, 2008 6:41 PM
PCB Rob... In Cardiff where I lived for a while, a lot of the pubs were tied to this brewery. They had the BEST advertising campaign!
Posted by: Pigtown | December 8, 2008 9:10 PM
Pigtown,
Was the beer any good?
Posted by: PCB Rob | December 9, 2008 12:15 PM
I wanted to name our daughter ... Oops, almost gave away my Secret Identity.
Luckily my DW prevailed (as she usually does), and we gave our daughter the name Jillian.
Posted by: Retired in Elkridge | December 9, 2008 5:22 PM