More on dive bars with good pub grub
OK, I have to agree with Bill Bruce et al that a real dive bar wouldn't serve good food, but for the purposes of this discussion let's stretch the definition a bit. The idea was to find places for the Top 10 that don't usually get any press. And it worked, didn't it? How many of you knew about the Emerald Tavern in Parkville? Or the Pepper Bar in Ocean City? I'm not even going to check to see if these places have Web sites to link to. Dive bars don't have Web sites, do they?
So these aren't real dive bars, and yet part of the definition seems to be that they seem more real than the bars that come and go so frequently in the trendier parts of the city. (See Midnight Sun.) Also they aren't quite neighborhood bars, but I still haven't gotten at the way to explain the difference without offending them. But they aren't places where you'd expect to get good (fill in wings, hamburgers, whatever here).
Keep those suggestions coming, folks. I know there must be some in Hampden, Canton, Locust Point and Hamilton/Lauraville that haven't been overrun by yuppies yet.








Comments
If you want to ask about Hampden, I think that Frazier's deserves another look. The chef that is there now does a pretty decent job. They always have good daily specials and everyday favorites. And the price is right.
Posted by: incunabulum | September 14, 2008 7:43 AM
I go for the Holiday House on Harford Road just below Northern Parkway. Great daily specials from what I remember.
Posted by: Max2it | September 14, 2008 7:58 AM
Peter's in Upper Fells has absolutely amazing food on a consistent basis.
Someone mentioned Fort Charles in the string that prompted this discussion. Taps, the bar that took its place, has incredible food as well (EL, there's a Myspace page with pictures.). I don't know that it's necessarily a dive bar, but its close.
Posted by: Trouble | September 14, 2008 8:04 AM
Is Fort Charles still a dive bar? I'm under the impression that it's been "yuppified"
Posted by: Joyce W. | September 14, 2008 8:50 AM
i haven't been there in about a year, but when in lived in the village, charles village pub was my 'i don't feel like cooking, going out for food spot.' the honey ranch dressing in the house salad was great, and the sandwiches always satisifed. particularly the chicken cheese steak that was strips of boneless skinless grilled chicken.
Posted by: julia | September 14, 2008 10:02 AM
I don't think dive bars have a house salad.
Excellent definition! EL
Posted by: Bob | September 14, 2008 10:38 AM
The only vegetable in a dive bar is French fries.
Posted by: Owl Meat Gravy | September 14, 2008 12:23 PM
The only vegetable in a dive bar is French fries.
What, no onion rings?
Posted by: Rosebud | September 14, 2008 12:59 PM
Close Owl, but not quite. Regarding vegetables, REAL dives bars only have a bowl of stale potato chips on the bar that most likely has a Band-Aid in there somewhere. Now that's a dive bar.
Posted by: voodoopork | September 14, 2008 1:43 PM
Well, I dont know if its really a "dive" but Patrick's in Cranbrook Station is a out dated restaurant & bar in a strip mall and I'll tell you what, they have one of the best crab cakes I've had in the Baltimore area. Who would have thought.
Posted by: Kristen | September 14, 2008 3:01 PM
I hear the iBar in Old Goucher has good wings. The last time I went there it was pre-smoking ban and we couldn't make it work. I keep meaning to get back over there now that we are smoke free.
I wonder if Zissimos on the Avenue or Dimitry's on Falls Rd. near 39th St. serve any food...
Posted by: Bob UU | September 14, 2008 4:35 PM
Any establishment with an "i" at the start of its name cannot be a Dive.
Posted by: Retired in Elkridge | September 14, 2008 5:07 PM
While French fries may be OK, it is NOT acceptable for a dive bar to serve rosemary garlic fries, as in a poster's comment on Mahaffey's under the original topic.
Posted by: hmpstd | September 14, 2008 6:00 PM
Don't know if it's still there but Linwoods in Parkville had great fries and gravy served on a paper plate, messy!
Posted by: Hon | September 14, 2008 6:25 PM
It's too bad Lulu's Off Broadway in Fells Point closed down. It had great food and certainly was a dive bar.
Posted by: bmoreteach | September 14, 2008 7:34 PM
I think it's important for any dive bar to have the mandatory jar of pickled pigs feet (or at least pickled eggs) on the bar. A dirty mirror behind the bar and pool tables don't hurt either. Oooh and what would really be perfect would be a glittery disco ball covered with cobwebs.
Posted by: Joyce W. | September 14, 2008 7:59 PM
bmoreteach - The Lulu's chef is now at Annabel Lee Tavern and he brought his tasty lamb burgers with him. Lots of daily specials that are always changing...it's not a dive bar, but a great neighborhood spot.
Posted by: Tom | September 14, 2008 11:52 PM
The Poncabird Pub just off Boston St on Ponca has great burgers, decent shrimp salad, and terrible service. Not to mention the Night Shift crowd that frequents....
Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 8:04 AM
Surprisingly, J. Patrick's in Locust Point (LoPo) has decent food. One of my favourites on the menu is "small boneless chickens" aka deviled eggs.
They also have some good Irish traditional food.
Posted by: Pigtown | September 15, 2008 9:32 AM
I'll have a bowl of your finest band-aid chips, please!
Posted by: Sam Sessa | September 15, 2008 9:47 AM
When I lived in Locust Point, J.R.'s had great food for a dive bar. Decker's did, too (before it closed).
Posted by: Mad Cow | September 15, 2008 9:48 AM
Great burgers and steak sandwiches at Poncabird Inn...end of Holabird Ave in Dundalk(?) under thruway
Not exactly a dive
A dive to me has pool tables, pinball machines,pickled pigs feet, and the drinks are served in styrofoam cups
Posted by: Hue | September 15, 2008 9:56 AM
The Poncabird pretty much qualifies as a dive on its location alone.
Posted by: Hal Laurent, VoR | September 15, 2008 10:17 AM
I live in Locust Point. Please for the love of God, don't call it LoPo. I'm not even a Locust Point native, but the mere thought of that term catching on turns my stomach.
BTW, I'm not sharing my fave neighborhood dive with excellent food for fear it becomes more crowded than it already is.
Posted by: Miz Motormouth | September 15, 2008 10:53 AM
ah lessee, PoncaBird Tavern, Long Johns in Remington (there was a time when nearby Dizzy Issie's would have qualified). LP Docks in Locust Point has a fine array of potato chips, does that count? What about someplace like Duda's in Fell's Point? They have a great menu and a low brow feel, but are they a dive?
And for the record, iBar is kind of a dump, but a very nice place with a decent menu.
Posted by: mike | September 15, 2008 10:56 AM
And another thing... Does anyone remember Mike's in Fell's Point on Broadway? Microwave tex mex (not a bad mole, actually). I still miss that place.
Posted by: mike | September 15, 2008 10:58 AM
Miz... I lived in LoPo from 1993 to 2004 and we always called it that, mainly because no-one knew it even existed then and it was our insider code.
Posted by: Pigtown | September 15, 2008 11:50 AM
Does anyone remember Mike's in Fell's Point on Broadway?
Yes, there was a bar cat who lived there, and would sometimes jump up on to the stool next to you. How the place escaped being busted by the health department I have no idea, but I thought the cat was a nice touch.
Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:43 PM
Duda's: People have mentioned their crab cake, but the real draw here is the chili bake.
Poncabird: Great burgers, but you can also chow down on baloney wrapped, chili-topped hot dogs for the triumverate of mystery meat (it would make Homer Simpson proud)
Mahaffey's would've counted before they fixed up the upstairs, no longer would qualify as neighborhood dive bar.
Wharf Rat in Fells: Stick with anything fried.
Most dive bars in Baltimore: Those bottles of onions and other pickled nastiness that sound great after you start working on the second sixer.
Posted by: Cheese | September 15, 2008 1:15 PM
Dive bar - do we go there to eat or to drink? Do we go there for haute cuisine or for bar food (not to be confused with comfort food)?
Sam Sessa's recent review of Bad Decisions deserves a visit, if only for its limited kitchen after sampling Sessa's suggestions.
Posted by: Piano Rob | September 15, 2008 7:49 PM
I keep on wanting to get over to the Curb Shoppe in Mount Washington. I know City Paper has named them "Best Dive Bar"
Also, it's out of our normal area, but I'll give my nod to the Susquehanna Inn in Conowingo/Rising Sun. Southern Rock music plus Busch Beer in a can makes for a great dive bar.
Posted by: Robert of Cross Keys | September 15, 2008 11:08 PM
The Emerald in Parkville has pretty good food, the steamed shrimp is great and goes well with a Sierra Nevada. They've jazzed up the place a little, it is one of my favorite stops on visits up north.
The Holiday House, farther south on Harford Road, is not though. I've been in there many times, and was friends with several of the old bartenders. They used to make a humongous cheesesteak sandwich.
Too dank and too many bikers nowadays.
Just a little farther south on Harford Road is the Shamrock Inn. Now, that place is a dive. 3 pool tables and live music on the weekends. If you like your rock and roll LOUD, go there.
The owner, Terry is a nice guy but the food is pretty basic stuff.
Posted by: Rob in PCB FL | September 16, 2008 1:27 PM