The salad question
Under an earlier post, a discussion got started on the proper temperature to serve a salad. This wasn't something I had really thought much about before, except that I hate it when a restaurant salad comes out on an ice-cold plate because that means for sure it was made up in advance. (Otherwise you can at least pretend it was made to order.)
There are many other things about a restaurant salad that annoy me before the temperature of the lettuce. ...
7) Getting a piece of the iceberg lettuce core
6) Lettuce leaves browning at the edges
5) Store-bought croutons that are fat-free
4) The giant pepper grinder brandished by the waiter, never offered when you have a steak in front of you
3) Wedges of winter tomato when grape tomatoes are good year round
2) Slices of raw white onion, especially when you've said, "No onions, please"
1) Enough salad dressing to sink a ship, especially when you've asked for it on the side
And what is this with adding sugar to every salad dressing these days? When did that start? I had a blue cheese dressing the other day that tasted sweet. Gak.
If you think I'm being fussy, my mother wasn't allowed to put anything into a salad with dinner but lettuce. Otherwise my father would say, "What fell in the salad?" I'm sure she found that very amusing, especially the 500th time. It also had to have an olive oil and vinegar (or lemon juice) dressing. No sugar, of course.
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Comments
I agree on sugar in the dressing. Sugar seems to be sneaking into everything these days. If I wanted a sweet dressing, I'd just put grape jelly on my lettuce.
Posted by: Lissa | August 22, 2008 8:07 AM
I don't dislike cold plates as much as hot plates right out of the dishwasher -- I watch my lettuce wilt.
Posted by: the other Joyce | August 22, 2008 8:21 AM
When you raised the question of salads being prepared ahead its funny because I never considered that salads would not be prepared ahead of time. At home (at least until bags of greens came along) didn't you wash and then chill the greens? Isn't that preparing a salad ahead of time?
Posted by: Robert (the Single One) | August 22, 2008 8:26 AM
There are many open kitchen restaurants in our "other city" - Portland Maine. And you will see a chilled plated used to plate a freshly made salad. Warm salads on a room temperature plate also imply a made ahead salad waitng for service.
Posted by: EdG | August 22, 2008 8:31 AM
RtSO, I think what EL means is having the actual serving arranged on the salad plates and then refrigerated, which is not quite the same thing. And I still wash and chill some of our greens ahead of time--not everything comes triple-washed.
Posted by: Dahlink | August 22, 2008 8:56 AM
My DW and I like our salads wet, so we usually order extra dressing. We also usually share one because they are large enough for two if you want room left for the rest of the meal.
At a perfect restaurant the salads would be individually made, cut and assembled to order. Most of the places I wind up at probably buy the large bags of cut greens directly from Sysco, along with the croutons, dressings, and tomatoes.
Posted by: Retired in Elkridge | August 22, 2008 9:51 AM
Is it not possible that some restaurants actually chill their salad plates before assembling the salad? I agree with the other Joyce; hot salad plates are unacceptable and I have sent them away.
Pepper grinders: Frankly, I would much rather have the grinder handed to me for operation than having to say "stop." And if the grinder isn't along for the ride when an entree is served, why not ask for it?
Over-salting and added sugar: EL, you are being bombarded on both fronts! Granted, the over-salting will be difficult to eradicate short of storming the kitchen, but adding sugar to salad dressing is just, well, gross. If this persists, I may have to carry my own.
Posted by: Piano Rob | August 22, 2008 10:41 AM
We should WISH it's only sugar in salad dressings--more often than not I'd bet it's HFCS (already liquid, y'know). The only bottled dressing I buy is Thousand Island; 95% of the time I just make a simple vinaigrette. I recently made the Caesar dressing recipe in "Joy of Cooking," and it's so good I could eat it with a spoon! It only takes a couple of minutes with the processor.
Posted by: Dottie | August 22, 2008 11:12 AM
[groan] You can blame our "fat-free" society for the sweet dressings. Low fat and fat free dressings tend to have HF corn syrup as a main ingredient because it helps with the viscosity when you take away the fat. Problem is, you get sweet with it. yuk.
I have been having a hard time ordering salads in casual restaurants over the last few years because it is so difficult to find restaurants that actually have a 'full fat' salad dressing. Proprietors have told me that they are only carrying dressings that their patrons will eat and sadly, that means that most of what they carry is low fat or fat free.
Personally, I would rather eat less full-fat dressing than eat that sugary junk. But apparently my tastes are not shared by the majority. Or folks have gotten so used to sweet tasting dressings...
Posted by: Maggi | August 22, 2008 11:33 AM
Having been a salad girl, I can say that a cold plate doesn't mean that the salad was sitting on that plate pre-made. Cold food should be served on chilled plates, just as hot food is served on warmed plates. Dried, browning, and limp greens are more an indicator that the salad is old.
Posted by: Chocochick | August 22, 2008 12:26 PM
Wet salad? Pardon me, but that sounds a little unsual - not surprising from you RiE :) That just goes against generations of salad drying and salad spinning. The horror!
Posted by: terriermom | August 22, 2008 12:40 PM
SALAD DRESSING IS DECADENT
“America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.”
- Oscar Wilde
Posted by: Owl Meat GravelRoadSmoother | August 22, 2008 2:51 PM
Terriermom, that's wet with dressing. I agree that the ingredients should be dry prior to dressing them. My bad.
Posted by: Retired in Elkridge | August 22, 2008 3:27 PM
I'm with RiE, salad wetted with lots of dressing. Think of it as a very course gazpacho.
Posted by: LEC | August 22, 2008 4:12 PM
Oh, wet with dressing. I've never heard that expression before. When I was younger I went to an Italian restaurant and the waiter offered a special of pasta with white clam sauce. I imagined some scary version of clams alfredo. Of course, white clam sauce is more like clear. Is Mr. Owl having a salad seizure?
Posted by: terriermom | August 22, 2008 8:35 PM
I just came from from seeing a band (sucky)and my ears are ringing, so front me some slack. Wet salad? Cold plates? I don't know this seems a little Marie Antionette. I'm confused. Why nott just have your slave-a-trons make your salad at your tables like they do in Peru. Ding a ding a ding ding ... now I have this song in my head (I know) from Marie Antoinette the movie. I don't know, it works. Freakin' bass amps, my ears are still ringing.
Owlie.......WHere are U hding? Nobody can find you!! Come out come out wherver you are! Gooftard! Blehhh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X9HojJ6N5I
Okay that was just retarded, but it did work in the movie in a weird way
Bring it for real here:
I had no idea Siouxsie was this cool before she got all goth-freaky on us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfnYu2Jergk
Yeah yeh I know, I always post music stuff. That's my dealio.
Posted by: Rock Chicklet | August 23, 2008 2:29 AM
Hmmm, 2:29 a.m. on a Friday and you're at home RC? You are slowing down. I'll have none of your decadent ways. At that time of night I am in my lair, the Halcyonest, as Morpheus guides me through the dark waters of night.
Posted by: OMG | August 23, 2008 1:41 PM