It is segregation. Should that be ok?

The immigrants have run everyone else out of there. How is this ok?

Seems unfair.

"So how has this city of poor immigrants become such an anomaly?"

Assuming that conjecture has been invited I'll offer mine: A cohesive relationship among the citizenry that transcends the personal or familial.

They have achieved their "village" even if it tallies up in excess of 700,000.

But it doesn't actually tally up that high. El Paso is just as socially, economically and even geographically stratified as Baltimore.

The meat and potatoes of this health care crisis is saving money, and a quality of care that everybody can participate in? The amount of cold hard cash spent on doctors, hospitals and a subsidiary of middle men goes into the trillions of dollars annually. Health care is a major part of the GMP, because our system of health care contains very little preventative medicine and--EVERYTHING--to do with keeping the status quo well furnished with dollars. The AMA has ruled the roost since the 1920's and allowed very little alternative medicine to surface amongst the now multi billion dollar industry such as Cancer. A good example is the Rife machine that was heralded by many doctors in the the 1930's, but because of its was a new innovation to combat disease it disappeared, with its inventor ostracized and black listed by the medical Federation. The medical profession suddenly come to the realization, that perhaps this new medical tool could cut down the patient line at their office. Instead of the research being immediately picked up by the AMA and studied, it was consumed in ugly controversy and vanished from public view.

Not having been really sick in the United States, I dread entering a hospital here for serious surgery. Most of my experience is in England and Australia over my early years. Television, radio and the newspapers are already building up a crescendo of negative ads, about the quality of care in Canada, Britain and other industrialized nations, because the special interest lobby doesn't want their lucrative world shaken. So now I want to clear up the radical propaganda and just downright lies enforced by millions of dollars spent to frighten the population, specially aimed at the senior citizen. Both countries Britain and Australia are a fine example of health care distribution. With England, my place of birth, the National health Service (NHS) was created in 1948 It is a service which offers free access to health care to the entire population as a right of citizenship, regardless of the ability to pay. It is a service which recognizes only one criterion for allocating resources to individual patients, that of need as defined by the professional providers of health care. It is a service, furthermore, which is overwhelmingly financed out of general taxation, and which is thus a powerful instrument for redistributing money from the working population to the sick and to the old. Until the 1950 it worked extremely well, until the importation of commonwealth workers to drive London buses and run the British Railway

In 1956, London Transport began to recruit directly from Barbados, inviting men and women to become bus conductors, underground staff and canteen assistants. London Transport recruited in Barbados until 1970 and extended the scheme to Jamaica and Trinidad for a year in 1966. Britain agreed in principle to join the European Economic Community effective Jan. 1, 1973. The "Single Market " that was created in 1993 states that people, money, services, and good can move freely within the European Union. Currently over 450 million EU citizens are provided with these options. In spite of the restrictive immigration policies which have been in place since the 1970s in most Member States Of The European Union, large numbers of legal and illegal migrants have continued to come to the EU together with asylum-seekers. Taking advantage of persons seeking a better life, smuggling and trafficking networks have taken hold across the EU. It was the end to me of the generations of English Pounds, Shillings and pence currency and the introduction of decimal coinage. Good, wholesome health care came to a sudden halt, with the free movement of foreign labor by the globalist agenda, that now threatens the stability of the European common market.

As a young man I remember getting the flue, and arriving at the local doctors office. Back in the 50's, you could choose your physician and sit in the reception room , with perhaps 10 other sick patients. The nurse in charge sat at a desk and greeted new arrivals as they entered the office, which was in most cases a large, residential house. When the bell rung you was ushered into the doctors office, who was already looking at your medical record. After an examination, just like in the United States, the doctor wrote the prescription for medicine and you were on your way. If it turned out that your condition required further examination, you received a not from the doctor, with an appointment at the local hospital. But times have changed now and my distant relatives, tell me that because of the continuous import of legal and illegal commonwealth and other countries masses. From what I understand, like never before England, Ireland and Scotland, have become overwhelmed by immigrants. London specifically, is not the place that I once new as it has become jammed with traffic and unholy mess of spiraling crime, never before seen in the England.

The adverse American health care special interest lobby now have plenty of ammunition, to demonize the once great British National medical care services. Even my relatives agree that the system has rapidly deteriorated from what it was once? I participated in national pool, paid my National Insurance stamps as my employer did and I was always rewarded with decent medical care. On several occasions I ended up in the cottage hospital and their was never a cost applied to it, never a ream of paperwork. No doctor, no hospital or specialist ask me for my Social Security number, drivers license or if I was covered by a predatory for-profit insurer. Unlike America I never had to worry about a debt collector, or being summons to a bankruptcy court. Here, I know actual families who ended up under insured and have spent years fighting with insurance companies. The average American family can suddenly find themselves backed-up, with hospital and doctor bills at any time, even when since Moses they have been methodically paying premiums and co-pays and other extraction techniques adopted by the Insurance companies.

I certainly don't agree with every new policy that is under consideration by the majority Democratic leadership, headed by President Obama. When I like hundreds of thousands of other honest immigrants wait for an employment visa, sometimes for years. The inspection process of biographical data, the FBI background investigation, the physical examination and the rest, doesn't make the sincere immigrant very favorable to those who just literary slip past the US Border Patrol. To me it's a complete outrage to all of us, who respect the Rule of American law and the omnipotent Constitution of the United States.

The majority of Naturalized citizens cherish, with great servility that we have been endowed with this great countries freedoms, protection and security. This is not conveyed to me by most of the politicians that we voted into office. Each one when taking the Oath of office, states with their hand on the great book, to protect the citizens of the United States from both enemies foreign and domestic. This hardly bares water, because they are continually genuflecting for all their worth, for campaign contributions, money and gifts and the potential of incumbents ideology of a long career in politics. They have a powerful money machine behind them--THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY--that have all the cards?

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (42 U.S.C. § 1395dd, EMTALA) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986. hospitals and ambulance services must provide care to anyone needing emergency treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. The only problem with is, that the federal mandated law never pays the full amount to the institution, if any, so the hospital passes it on to other patients, the insurance company? You guessed it? The good, old gullible taxpayer. This is now the massive problem that surfaced in England and Europe as millions of foreign born have swarmed the shores of half a dozen governmental health care institutions. The main culprit, as here in the United States is the ominous attraction of companies, who identify cheap labor with high profits. Why give benefits like health care to illegal foreign workers, when the American taxpayer can be hit for higher taxes? It seems like that both political parties agree with this summary, because right now if--IF-- a health care bill is passed with a government run health agency for the poor, low income--it also means the 20 million illegal immigrants squatting here. So really is no better off. It just means higher taxes for the working class. It certainly does mean a small tax token for the wealthy amongst us? Of course the most wealthy amongst us are the businesses that hire cheap labor, and without any fear of contradiction, they will find a loophole? The mega industries have always found a way, not to pay very few taxes. much of their ill-gotten gains is spirited into off-shore accounts, so the IRS in most cases cannot get to it, or even know about it.

Another federal mandate forced on the taxpayer through the court system was obviously In the Plyer Vs. Brown case Texas law which withheld funds from local school districts for educating children not legally admitted into the United States and the authorization of these districts to deny these children enrollment, violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. So now California--the now SANCTUARY STATE-- has been seriously damaged by the courts, because literary millions of foreign born children--ILLEGAL OR NOT--swallows up billions of dollars. The schools have become overcrowded, underfunded and embarrassment to much of the country. The teachers are required to spend their precious time on the children of foreign nationals who cannot comprehend English. So the obvious outcome is American children are less educated, and have plummeted to the bottom of the performance chart. Going to pick up my relatives son in K-12, was like visiting a third class nation.

The blame must be slammed in the laps of the parasite businesses, who seem to think however illegally they have a right to hire foreign labor for the workplace. Second is the all prevailing courts who have fashioned laws for minorities, and not for the American public as a whole? Chief Justice Burger was joined by Justice White, Justice Rehnquist,and Justice O'Connor in dissenting, saying that while it was regrettable that Congress had been lax in its enforcement of the country's immigration laws,it was not the Court's responsibility to make up for that laxity. So therefor they judged the law against the common good of the millions of illegal aliens who broke our laws, and the American taxpayer is forced once again owing to the corruption and utter indifference to their countryman from their side of the fence into ours. Yet another law sided with a foreign invasion force is the Birthright law, which should never have been passed. The children born in the United States to illegal alien mothers are often referred to as "anchor babies. these children are U.S. citizens at birth, simply because they were born on U.S. soil. Any female who is is pregnant and like thousands of other women who enter the United States illegally annually, knows that giving birth in the U.S. means her child will be an "anchor baby" and granted instant U.S. citizenship. For this women it means her child will qualify for a cornucopia of federal, state and local benefit programs.

They are called anchor babies because, as U.S. citizens, they become eligible to sponsor for legal immigration most of their relatives, including their illegal alien mothers, when they turn 21 years of age, thus becoming the U.S. "anchor" for an extended immigrant family. From the beginning the mother can Thousands of pregnant women who are about to deliver come to the United States each year from countries as far away as China and as near as Mexico so that they can give birth on U.S. soil. Some come legally as temporary visitors; others enter illegally. Once the child is born, they get a U.S. birth certificate and passport for the child, and their future link to this country is established and irreversible. The answer lies in how American jurisprudence has interpreted the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was added to the Constitution as part of the post Civil War reforms aimed at addressing injustices to African Americans. It states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States" and was crafted so that state governments could never deny citizenship to anyone born in the United States. However, when the amendment was crafted, the United States had no immigration policy, and thus the authors saw no need to state explicitly, what they believed was understood. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. In the case of illegal aliens who are temporarily or unlawfully in the United States, because their native country has a claim of allegiance to the child, the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship.
These Immigrants to the United States are far more likely to use welfare (programs such as Medicare/Medicaid or food stamps) than native-born American families. Nationwide, non-native households are 59% more likely to take advantage of a state or federal welfare program than a native household. Whether by intention or short sightedness of the government, no real numbers are available. The globalists and free open-border traders have seen to that, although our own government and the liberal press always offer the number of 13 million. But this estimation has been amply displayed in newspapers, for the last 7 years.

The need to curtail illegal immigration prompted Congress to enact the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986. The IRCA toughened criminal sanctions for employers who hired illegal aliens, denied illegal aliens federally funded welfare benefits, and legitimized some aliens through an amnesty program--EXCEPT THESE LAWS NEVER WERE ENFORCED. The real enigma lies in the wording of the 1986 law? The IRCA toughened--CRIMINAL SANCTIONS--for employers who hired illegal aliens, DENIED ILLEGAL ALIENS FEDERALLY FUNDED WELFARE BENEFITS. Neither the federal government, nor state county have denied most benefits to illegal immigrants. That is why one state--California--is involved in a monstrous budget deficit? That is why Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger refuses to sign any legislation for higher taxes, in a collapsing economy that was a financial icon for the whole of America. Bright lights are on at night in the Democratic-Liberal assembly building in Sacramento and has so far failed to pass any budget agreement. I wish them luck as they try to find relieve from the crushing pressure of $24.5 billion dollars, that they have imposed on themselves from the tax and spend politicians that infest the state capitol. City manager Andronovich demonstrated to the people of Los Angeles county, that $11 billion dollars went to underwrite the impoverished, considerable numbers being illegal alien families.

California has been overrun with millions of illegal entrants, as with Arizona and other border states. An the ingredients of federal law has been a breeding ground for entitlements that have been gravely compromised by pandering to illegal families. The federal government has control over immigration law for the United States. But by not addressing this abuse, fraud with the funds that state and local governments must provide to anchor babies amounts to a virtual tax on U.S. citizens to subsidize illegal aliens. By not closing this loophole, the federal government in effect rewards law-breakers and punishes those who have chosen to follow the rules and immigrate legally. Allowing illegal aliens to give birth to American citizens, in effect, makes citizenship a license for welfare.

It would be untrue to accuse just the Democrats for this, because all politicians have been involved in distracting--THE PEOPLE--from the real issues that cost them a lot of money. The population falls for these trickster's every time, so they can hit you with either higher taxes or give huge tax reimbursements to their corporate comrades. Illegal immigration is a major depletion of every tax treasury, throughout this land. Giving any kind of AMNESTY, will enhance the predictable--OVERPOPULATION. The complete neglect of our interstate highway system, tunnels and bridges is just the slow eroding of our infrastructure. In the near future the population growth will explode, to over another hundred million people. Look at it this way? it took from the time of the pilgrims, to our unsettled economic recession of today, to reach a population of 305 million? Within no more than 40 years we could reach an estimated population, according to the US census 435 million people. IT would be an unmentionable catastrophe to open the doors wide at the border, giving millions of illegal immigrants expressway to a path to citizenship. You must decide the future of future generations, because just my ranting will have very little influence on the power brokers in Washington. Call your Senator or Congressman and impress on the people you vote into office that you want an alternative to the predatory health care insurers. You want the right to choose? That includes the Universal government run system, that certainly isn't any worse than the profit insuers we have now. That you also want your political representative to curtail any path to citizenship, but to enforce with rigid authority E-Verify, police right to arrest 287(g) enforcement of illegal aliens. Tell them you are a voter and convey to them, as you voted them into office as you can remove them. Learn more of the facts about the costs and fallacies spawned by special interest lobbyists and liberal press at NUMBERSUSA, CAPSWEB, JUDICIALWATCH, SAVEOURSTATE, GRASSFIRE, AMERICANPATROL, THE DARK SIDE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Read more nefarious ingredients at http://www.redcounty.com/what-if-20-million-unlawful-immigrants-vacated-america#comment-11225

"A city of illegal immigrants with easy access to guns, just across the river from a metropolis ripped apart by brutal drug war violence. Should be a bloodbath, right? Here's the surprise: There were just 18 murders in El Paso last year, in a city of 736,000 people."

Jay Hancock, you are an IDIOT. It is illegal for illegal immigrants to obtain firearms in this country.

What you are insinuating is that these illegal immigrants are keeping El Paso safer by obtaining firearms illegally. If crossing the border didn't make them criminals, this action certainly would.

I can’t say the ILLEGAL ALIENS are completely to blame for the shape of our economy, but they are a BIG part of the problem. The ILLEGAL ALIENS send BILLIONS upon BILLIONS out of this Country every year, money we will NEVER see again. Does this help our economy?

How about the BILLIONS the American taxpayers fork out for the ILLEGAL ALIEN BABIES, the schooling of them, the medical care and the list goes on, and on, and on.

How about the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS paid to jail ILLEGAL ALIENS for the crimes, then the cost to deport them. Does this help our economy?

Then you have these activist groups, the Catholic Church and the ACLU that want AMNESTY for these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It would be absolute suicide for this Country if AMNESTY were granted to the 20 million or so ILLEGAL ALIENS. We have more and more people out of work everyday and they want to add another 20 million to this Country? I say, “NO”!

If AMNESTY were ever granted to these 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS, you can bet big money that 3 years from now, there would be ANOTHER 3-5 million ILLEGAL ALIENS demonstrating on our soil for AMNESTY.

An end MUST come to this illegal immigration. The perfect tool we have so far is E-Verify. It MUST be used by ALL businesses and Government Social Services. EVERY employee must be checked! If they are illegal, they are to be dismissed!

I believe it is time for all 50 States to pass a State law, like Arizona, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina and a few others. It is time for these ILLEGAL ALIENS to go back to their home Country and get out of this Country. The problems they are causing will not go away until the ILLEGAL ALIENS are out of this Country. I think that is plain to see.

It's time for ZERO TOLERENCE with these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It's time for them to get back to their own country where they belong. If they truly want to be part of America, let them apply and wait their turn like the millions of others who want to come to America LEGALLY. They will then be welcomed with open arms.

THIS COUNTRY WILL NEVER GET BACK ON IT’S FEET AS LONG AS ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE IN THIS COUNTRY NO MATTER HOW MANY TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE SPEND!

@KV Hey man, you are the idiot. It IS illegal for illegals to obtain firearms, yes, but the claim was merely that illegals have easy access to guns. Which is absolutely true. I live in El Paso. It is as easy for illegals to get access to guns as it was when Pancho Villa was gun running. Just the other day, in fact, FBI special agent John Shipley was arrested last week for illegal gun selling. One of his pieces was found at a homicide scene in Juarez.

It is as easy to obtain a gun here as anywhere in the US. Regardless of citizenship.

The Immigration Policy Center (IPC) has released a wide-ranging review of academic and government data that shows what legalizing undocumented immigrants would mean for the U.S. economy today. Legalizing undocumented workers would improve wages and working conditions for all workers, and increase tax revenues for cash-strapped federal, state, and local governments. (April 13, 2009)

Washington, D.C. – The dollars and cents of immigration reform make a lot of sense for the beleaguered U.S. economy. The net economic gain would be $66 billion in new state and federal revenue, according to a new report.

The review, from the nonpartisan Immigration Policy Center, notes that Florida is one of the states with the most to gain if undocumented workers were provided a pathway to legal status. About 500,000 immigrant workers would be affected.

Economist David Kallick with the Fiscal Policy Institute contributed to the study. Right now, he explains, those billions of dollars are lining the pockets of employers - who hire folks in the underground economy and avoid contributing to payroll and other taxes.

"The cost of the underground economy to taxpayers is pretty substantial. The idea is, bringing undocumented immigrants into the 'above-ground' economy and making sure that they pay taxes just like everyone else."

Critics of reform accuse undocumented workers of "stealing" American jobs; some want to deport everyone who is in the U.S. illegally. Kallick argues that immigrants do not steal good-paying jobs, and more legal workers in the labor pool will help grow the entire economy.

That's also the view of Esther Lopez, director of civil rights and community action for the United Food and Commercial Workers Union International. She says labor groups see that legalization is good for all workers, and she considers it an important step in rebuilding the middle class.

"We need an immigration system that is part of our national economic recovery program. We need immigration reform that punishes employers who 'game' the system to drive down wages and working conditions."

Truth: To whatever degree your assertions may be true (a different discussion) to initiate any changes in law or policy before first dealing with the shortcoming in the 14th ammendment is a suicide pact.

If your group were to say: "OK, this much but no more" (so to speak)... you would find a much larger and broader base of support for your (stated) goals.

The problem with getting support as it stands is with those of us able to see your UNSTATED goals. You can't sit on the fence any longer Truth... it is time to decide which side you are on.

I bet that the illegal immigrants count on the principal of critical mass - if only their group becomes large enough, it will be too difficult for law enforcement to round them up and deport them. So 750,000 seems like the number that creates happiness?

"Legalizing undocumented workers would ... increase tax revenues for cash-strapped federal, state, and local governments" is a myth. We have enough unemployed legal residents as it is. Deporting the 20 million illegals would give the legals a chance to get a job, which would keep them off the unemployment line and corresponding benefits, increase local and state tax revenue and - more importantly - keep more money here in the US since legal (local) residents wouldn't need to send their hard earned money abroad.

American citizens killed by illegal aliens!
http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/
heres some illegal immigrant numbers!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3741611&postcount=12

Mexico's second highest income is from illegals sending money home! google it! do you understand how really HUGE that is?? how many of them MUST be here illegally to make that happen?? 12 million? HA! more like 40 million?? we are being invaded, without one shot being fired! does anybody have a CLUE?? whos job it is to protect and defend the United States?? to ABIDE by the CONSTITUTION???? what does it mean? to break the law? why all the infighting? they broke the LAW! period! google "operation w*tback" Eisenhower had this very same problem. he quietly and EFFECTIVLY took care of it! why can we not do the same??? they walked, rode, swam over here. they can do the same going home taking their anchor babies with them! and then, if they want. they can GET IN LINE. like all the rest of the "LAW ABIDING " people that do it the RIGHT WAY!!!

Like many border towns, the rule is, if you make a fuss in El Paso, you go back over the line and you stay there. Those on this side of the line don't want that for lots of reasons and they are very careful to toe the lines.

In addition, the Mexican Criminal Organizations put tons of dope over the border in El Paso. They don't want fuss and bother, and when there is fuss and bother, the Mexican Criminal Gangs come see you.

Per the numbers of illegal aliens in the United States. The Census counts everyone.. doesn't discriminate on illegal aliens. 44 million Hispanics counted. 12 million are said to be illegal by the INS which is a giggle even in the INS. But in the 12 million, at least half are married.. maybe 2/3rds. All of those families have children called anchor babies which the Feds consider legal, and the 14th Amendment consider illegal. But the number of people who are illegal, or anchor baby children is up to about 20 million. 4 million live in Puerto Rica. There are a lot of Mexicans out there with truely excellent I.D.'s purchased from U.S. sources and we don't know how many of those are here. But suddenly we have some 18 million Hispanic Citizens and when you do consider the money being sent home, we decidedly know the Congress and the Immigration Service at the top levels, are lying to us deep and hard.

What the HELL is going on?

Stop the Immigration Bill. Or can we stop Congress at anything these days?

From a humanitarian perspective, our fellow human beings, who migrate to support their families, continue to suffer at the hands of immigration policies that separate them from family members and drive them into remote parts of the American desert, sometimes to their deaths. This suffering should not continue.

Now is the time to address this pressing humanitarian issue which affects so many lives and undermines basic human dignity. Our society should no longer tolerate a status quo that perpetuates a permanent underclass of persons and benefits from their labor without offering them legal protections.

Green card... so what "humanitarian" methods do you propose we use to get these people to cross back over the border?

Almost anything you suggest is likely to get wide support and funding if it is actually implemented.

Here's an idea I've been kicking around: Fair market value for any assets the criminals may have accumulated while here that are impractical to transport home with them and full reimbursement of travel expenses to get home.

Sign up with a local/regional office to establish a start time for the process and then keep all your receipts showing a continually south by southwest route for fuel purchases or bus fares and motel stays for the week or or so it takes to reach the border. Travel fast and get a bonus.

Heck, I'll even pay another hefty bonus on top of their direct expenses as they cross the border and yet another reinforcement payment mailed to them a year later in their home town.

You game?

ps: In most corners I'm considered a bleeding heart liberal on social matters. you aren't likely to get better treatment from the more conservative folks... that is unless you are working for them and they can continue to hide your presence.

The article is relevant and definitely the numbers are fair. Still, the numbers are skewed, perhaps. When tallying these figures, are you accounting for ALL types of immigrants? A good amount of immigrants in the country came here by legal means, of course. Some use the normal entry means, some use their status as students, some use an eb5 investor visa. I wonder if these numbers reflect only illegals because, if they do, they need to be recalculated with the correct input. Again, I may be wrong in my assumption.

Lately I have seen a lot of pieces like this. People trying to show that common misconceptions about immigration are not only incorrect, but the opposite of the truth. While I do think that programs like the eb5 visa program are undeniably making a positive impact on the country, I look at immigration in general as pretty much a wash. If you include the brain drain we suffer, and balance it against the influx of brainpower we pull in, it comes out fairly equal.

If you are willing to buy a house, you will have to get the mortgage loans. Moreover, my brother all the time uses a student loan, which occurs to be really firm.